The KDF have as much endgame content as Starfleet, so they are not "Neglected". They do not have as many ships or leveling-up-missions as the Starfleet side, but that does not hurt the gameplay experience in any way. I enjoy my Klingon toons just fine. My impression is that there is just a very bitter group of forum posters who believe this whole "we are neglected and they don't give a damn and we are the poorest people in the galaxy" stuff. It is factually not true.
And STO stagnating. You must be kidding. Since when I started playing in January, so many things have been expanded that I could not name them all from the top of my head.
Serioulsy, be a true Klingon and stop spreading inappropriately bad mood. Kick some Romulan ships out of space instead.
Well, we will both just have to agree to disagree.... regardless of my and your opinion of what we perceive to be the state of game, "I" still maintain my stance and continue my support, and hope <although I am more oft than not disappointed> that eventually this game will get fleshed out and my favored faction will receive some much needed attention. Whether or not that happens, I am still here, I am still playing, I am still paying and I am still enjoying what I can out of this game.
Are some Klingon players bitter? Yes some of us are... I doubt you would understand being a primarily federation player... but I am guessing if roles were reversed you would be "unhappy" with the current state of things, if the shoe were on the other foot. BTW When I say "stagnating" I am not referring to subscriptions... I am referring to "content" it has slowed to a crawl...c-store items do not count as content in my book.
Either way.. like I said, if you honestly think/feel that this game is all set and content is just getting cranked out, and everything is just perfect and PW and Cryptic have done this game nothing but justice then we will just have to agree to disagree....cya in game.
Hey You do realize that when someone quotes someone "...and they were clueless..." it means that there was other stuff written - just not in the quote!?
Don't pull that one with me, your entire post revolved around applying a meaning to one sentence that wasn't there and attempting to address a different sentiment to the one I hold, and one that nobody could possibly think I hold if the whole post was quoted.
And yet again in your rant about the Armitage uproar, you're A: ascribing opinions to people who may or may not have held them without checking your facts, and B: unable to reference an opinion contrary your own without using terms like "crying" or "whining", this is the kind of thing I meant when I said it's impossible to take you seriously. There seems to be little to gain from coming into the KDF part of the forum and in the opening sentence of your "No more KDF ships" post saying things like "problem solved" and then gloating about the Vesta unless your only objective is to be deliberately contrary and inflammatory.
Two things that may help you in dealing with people: It's possible to entertain an idea without endorsing it, and it's possible to disagree with somebody without disrespecting them. On the off chance that it wasn't your intent to stir up trouble, I doubt people would be on your case like this if you had attempted to do either of these things.
Actually, I am quite happy with the KDF - it already offers me more than I need, just as the Starfleet faction does. I don't need many story missions, for my personal taste. And I really enjoy my Vo'Quv.
As long we both play and are having fun, then the disagreement cannot be that dire.
I must admit.. for all of my concerns and disappointments I still log in everyday and play.. and I still spend money..:P It's Star Trek and there are Klingons lol who "couldn't" help but delve at least a little enjoyment out of that? :P This is one of the main reasons I am such a strong proponent for "getting more" outta this game and for my faction. It is because I enjoy this game that I care in the first place and the only reason I voice my concerns.
But I must agree.. it is as you said, as long as we both play and have fun, our disagreement cannot be too serious.
Last night I spent am 1hr in Ker'rat in my Heavy Bop - surprizingly there were way more Kdf than fed.
So 2 things happen as they usually do - 3/4/5 players gang up on 1 player - in this case 5 KDF on each FED
After easily blowing them up - several of the KDF players let off the "fireworks" display
yeah great victory! 5 on 1 - an honorable fight worthy of the fireworks display - and this happend the whole hour
I don't get involved in the Gang Bangs - but watching this display you can easily see how the Fed players hate the KDF
And this happens all up the ranks - when the new Fed players are using Ker'rat to try to get new stuff for their ship + the dilth - there are many Experienced KDF players making toons and maxing out the ships at these lower levels just to harras the Fed player
So - Many KDF players - harass - glout - and generally bother the Fed player coming up - then they do things like I mentioned at the top
So IS Cryptic killing the KDF or are the KDF players doing it?
One good step would be to eliminate any type of PvP in Ker'vat - definitely sub level 50
I'm sure that does happen, levi3. On the other hand, the last time I was in Kerrat in my Hegh'ta and attacked lone targets (the way a raider should behave, in my understanding), a couple more FEDs appeared out of nowhere and I found myself outnumbered, and that was the case for at least one hour I was there (when I later asked them, they revealed they mask their signature).
The result was that I got a lot of beating (as well as a couple more KDF in there).
All I want to say, the balance of power in Kerrat depends on time, and instance. Sometimes FEDs are stomping KDF in the ground, sometimes it's the other way around in there.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
I'm sure that does happen, levi3. On the other hand, the last time I was in Kerrat in my Hegh'ta and attacked lone targets (the way a raider should behave, in my understanding), a couple more FEDs appeared out of nowhere and I found myself outnumbered, and that was the case for at least one hour I was there (when I later asked them, they revealed they mask their signature).
The result was that I got a lot of beating (as well as a couple more KDF in there).
All I want to say, the balance of power in Kerrat depends on time, and instance. Sometimes FEDs are stomping KDF in the ground, sometimes it's the other way around in there.
You are quite right - both sides do that - but from my experience most KDF players in the game are predominately there to destroy Fed players - while on a % of total players on the Fed side I would say they are most interested in doing other than PvP
SO sub lvl 50 the KDF leaves a long lasting bitter taste in the mouth of many Fed players - this is just another reason less and less Fed players carry over to the KDF - content is king- but this is a big factor
It's clear by now - or should be that this is not a PvP game - Ker'ret should definitley be a neutral zone(borg excepted)
yeah great victory! 5 on 1 - an honorable fight worthy of the fireworks display - and this happend the whole hour
I don't get involved in the Gang Bangs - but watching this display you can easily see how the Fed players hate the KDF
So - Many KDF players - harass - glout - and generally bother the Fed player coming up - then they do things like I mentioned at the top
So IS Cryptic killing the KDF or are the KDF players doing it?
One good step would be to eliminate any type of PvP in Ker'vat - definitely sub level 50
Usually, it is the other way round. Of course, many Klingons use Kerrat for PvP, however, alot of Feds too. in 8 of 10 cases, the Feds outnumber the Klingon and I often see Feds camping in packs at the spawn point luriking for a single Klingon releasing.
When I started playing Kerrat, I had some sort of honor codex, like not to attack Feds involved in fighjts with the borg, or ot to attack an enemy already outnumbered. Within short time, I forgot about it, because most of the Feds I have met in Kerrat have no honor and therefore deserve no fair fight.
The KDF have as much endgame content as Starfleet, so they are not "Neglected". They do not have as many ships or leveling-up-missions as the Starfleet side, but that does not hurt the gameplay experience in any way. I enjoy my Klingon toons just fine. My impression is that there is just a very bitter group of forum posters who believe this whole "we are neglected and they don't give a damn and we are the poorest people in the galaxy" stuff. It is factually not true.
And STO stagnating. You must be kidding. Since when I started playing in January, so many things have been expanded that I could not name them all from the top of my head.
Serioulsy, be a true Klingon and stop spreading inappropriately bad mood. Kick some Romulan ships out of space instead.
Complete contentment is the first step towards stagnation. Not that there is anything wrong with some contentment, but just like Socrates said, "Moderation in everything."
Usually, it is the other way round. Of course, many Klingons use Kerrat for PvP, however, alot of Feds too. in 8 of 10 cases, the Feds outnumber the Klingon and I often see Feds camping in packs at the spawn point luriking for a single Klingon releasing.
When I started playing Kerrat, I had some sort of honor codex, like not to attack Feds involved in fighjts with the borg, or ot to attack an enemy already outnumbered. Within short time, I forgot about it, because most of the Feds I have met in Kerrat have no honor and therefore deserve no fair fight.
I used to go to Kerrat to try to get the objectives but any more I go to test a new ship build when the PvP queues take too long to pop. So yes I go to scrap. Still I have rules like you that I try to follow.
To some degree I still have that same honor approach in Kerrat. If they were fighting Borg I tend to hang back and let them recover. If we spawn together I tend to hold fire until we have some separation greater than 10k. But I seldom fly cloaked ships, and you do not respawn cloaked even if you are in a cloaked ship. Because everyone tends to spawn at the same point regardless of faction any chivalry tends to just get thrown out the window, especially the first time I am fired upon without provocation.
Maybe that is why I do not hit Kerrat as often as I should. At least in arena play we are all there for about the same reasons.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
You are quite right - both sides do that - but from my experience most KDF players in the game are predominately there to destroy Fed players - while on a % of total players on the Fed side I would say they are most interested in doing other than PvP
SO sub lvl 50 the KDF leaves a long lasting bitter taste in the mouth of many Fed players - this is just another reason less and less Fed players carry over to the KDF - content is king- but this is a big factor
It's clear by now - or should be that this is not a PvP game - Ker'ret should definitley be a neutral zone(borg excepted)
If the one is an escort, perhaps I can agree with you. However, some Fed cruisers are so overpowered in their tanking, you HAVE to gang up in order to get through their shields and actually take them down. It would depend on the situation.
Also, not all KDF LGs are equal. Some are better and considerably more powerful. The weaker, less-proficient ones might gang up in order to be able to handle any opponent.
Don't like the unpredictability of Ker'rat? Then don't go in there. . .plenty of other ways to earn dilithium.
EDIT: Also, BoPs are supposed to operate in packs to take enemies out in bursts. That's how they're designed, they're not meant for long-term slugging matches.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
This is what happens when a developer doesn't actively advertise and then turns the game over to a free to play, bottom feeding company that only wishes people to spend real money on generated content like costumes which have no impact on the game.
*** Please don't be fooled by the lack of time listed for me on the avatar, I've been playing since the Beta, I bought the "Lifetime " subscription for the game, and I cannot get a response from the morons that call themselves perfect world to save my life.
I have only been able to log in 1 time since these idiots allowed some accounts to become compromised. They have nonfunctioning links on their support pages, they were notified of this back in April/May 2012 and they still haven't even fixed their own damned web site issues. This combined with the lack of customer support shows they don't give a damn about any of the players that support this game and even if they care in the slightest, they apparently aren't smart enough to do anything with it.
I used to think that Blizzard customer support was the worst, and then Cryptic stabbed us all in the back and involved these morons. My experience with this company is quickly moving them into the same category as Blizzard for me. I vowed to never purchase another Blizzard game after they betrayed their faithful customers with wowcrack and allowed their support to equal that of a self-loathing, trash spewing parasite and I have kept my word. If these idiots can't figure it out, and soon, I will make the same vow for anything with Cryptic or perfectworld attached to it.
For those of us that did buy the "lifetime subscriptions" I say we band together and file class action lawsuits against Cryptic and perfect world. 1 year or 2 years is not a lifetime. The "rewards" that were given at the time that they made this game "free to play" were TRIBBLE and not worth what the "lifetime subscription" fees that was paid.
Last night I spent am 1hr in Ker'rat in my Heavy Bop - ...
Finally, Levi3 get's to the "real" point/motivation of this post. Why did it take 9 pages?
Anyway... I'm a new player to STO. I played a Tac Fed until 25, then rolled and leveled a Tac KDF to 50 grinding out my full Borg kit and started working on other STF goodies.
Then I went back and finished up all of the FED content and leveled my original toon to 50, but I still need to grind Borg/STF stuff for her.
I have 10/10 ships on both sides, including a KDF Galor and FED D'Kora. I bought a life account after playing a week. I have 400 DOffs on both toons, and have spent way too much $$$ on the game, but I'm having some serious fun. Basically, I hope I'm helping prime the pump as far as Season 6 and development of new content.
I love playing both sides.
My friends and I are still not sure which faction star base we will grind. Given how much time/effort
doing a fleet star base right will take, it does not seem likely we'll do both factions.
It's nice to see the STO forums are just like any other game, filled with a diversity of opinions and
agendas.
I don't understand this logic. Of course the Oddy sells an order of magnitude higher, because of the negligence of the KDF there is an order of magnitude more players on the Fed side.
So the logic would be to increase the amount of players on the KDF side. Don't provide any new features and giving the Feds overpowered ships, however, is very clearly the wrong way.
I'm Sorry, but it's not really the wrong way. You think it's wrong, because you're looking forward to the Problem: "How do we can get (a little bit) more money and keep the game running."
The Problem on wich PWE/Cryptic is looking is: "How do we get the max. money out of this TRIBBLE before everyone leaves and the game breaks down."
And if you're looking that way, everything make sense.
In the last decisions I'fe seen from "them" really made me understand, that they are'nt interessted in the Game or the Community.
I'm really sad about this. I'fe been playing this game for a long time and I must admit: "Much stuff was better without F2P".
Don't judge me wrong, after all I hope I'm wrong and everything will get better. But if I look to other games, other Communities... I see that other Owners care about what is written in the forum. If any new player whould look in this forum first before downloading the game... well, I think he whould not playing it.
After all...
Live long and prosper
...and enjoy your given time @ STO
I'm Sorry, but it's not really the wrong way. You think it's wrong, because you're looking forward to the Problem: "How do we can get (a little bit) more money and keep the game running."
The Problem on wich PWE/Cryptic is looking is: "How do we get the max. money out of this TRIBBLE before everyone leaves and the game breaks down."
And if you're looking that way, everything make sense.
Then even Cryptic is looking at STO wrong and without sense. STO based on the IP has long term MMO potential but only if it appeals to everyone that is a fan and non-fan alike.
They should be looking at STO as, " How do we make the game appealing in general and maximize its life and playability for long term customer retention?"
Going the route of the short term money grab that includes ostracizing a part of your customer base is not good bussiness pratice. A well run company does all the above by catering to your largest revenue audience, retaining your small revenue audiences with a sense of belonging to the whole and looking to find ways to bring the disinterested player in as well and holding them with good gameplay.
Anything less than a well rounded format is only going to slow down the eventual collapse of the game as a whole.
As to the whole " Poor Feddie being picked on in Ker'rat" debate. Its horse****te as a reason why some feds hate the KDF. For every instance where the KDF is ganging up on the feds there are instances where the feds are ganging up on the KDF. It is a PvP zone after all and combat is a part of that gameplay.
We also happen to go about this in a sensible, yet polite way, Roach, Ebeneezer, and Peregrine specifically do this.. and put up with alot of "TRIBBLE" such as this thread from other players just like you.
In consideration of just myself. I often lose my temper on the forums and devolve to using cuastic, colorful and often humorously degrading language in my rants as a grumpy, disinfranchised, untrusting KDF fan.
Ok I read the 1st few pgs of this thread and have come to the conclusion that if the Developers did say and I'm not sure they did just what I read from this thread..... That they are not gonna put out any more klingon ships in the c-store for awhile maybe ever because the Oddy way out sold the Bortasque ...
Then I want to point out to the developers that 1st off there is way more feds than there is klingons and 2ndly that around 75% of the feds all run cruiser builds ... Where as 75% of the klingons all run either BoP or Raptor builds .... So if you really want to make some money from the klingon faction on a C-Store ship bust out a new BoP and or Raptor instead of a huge TRIBBLE Bortasque that I swear a turtle swimming in peanut butter could turn faster ... Just my oppinion
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Target locked Captain....Alpha loaded....5,4,3,2,1.... Target dead captain, locking on next target
If they can't make enough money selling KDF Ships, then give us the model specs and allow us to create our own. I know that CBS said no, but now may be the time to re-think this...
This is what happens when a developer doesn't actively advertise and then turns the game over to a free to play, bottom feeding company that only wishes people to spend real money on generated content like costumes which have no impact on the game.
*** Please don't be fooled by the lack of time listed for me on the avatar, I've been playing since the Beta, I bought the "Lifetime " subscription for the game, and I cannot get a response from the morons that call themselves perfect world to save my life.
I have only been able to log in 1 time since these idiots allowed some accounts to become compromised. They have nonfunctioning links on their support pages, they were notified of this back in April/May 2012 and they still haven't even fixed their own damned web site issues. This combined with the lack of customer support shows they don't give a damn about any of the players that support this game and even if they care in the slightest, they apparently aren't smart enough to do anything with it.
I used to think that Blizzard customer support was the worst, and then Cryptic stabbed us all in the back and involved these morons. My experience with this company is quickly moving them into the same category as Blizzard for me. I vowed to never purchase another Blizzard game after they betrayed their faithful customers with wowcrack and allowed their support to equal that of a self-loathing, trash spewing parasite and I have kept my word. If these idiots can't figure it out, and soon, I will make the same vow for anything with Cryptic or perfectworld attached to it.
For those of us that did buy the "lifetime subscriptions" I say we band together and file class action lawsuits against Cryptic and perfect world. 1 year or 2 years is not a lifetime. The "rewards" that were given at the time that they made this game "free to play" were TRIBBLE and not worth what the "lifetime subscription" fees that was paid.
Gosh.. it would be awesome to sue them lol. I regret this lifetime bull**** everyday.
This game is getting worse and worse. I honestly just wish it would die the **** off sooner than later.
Finally, Levi3 get's to the "real" point/motivation of this post. Why did it take 9 pages?
Lol... it took nine pages.. because getting your TRIBBLE$ stomped in pvp is a petty and ridiculous reason to rage and act nasty on a forum AND it makes you appear childish, inexperienced, and unskilled.. <which obviously Levi is in pvp> THAT is why Levi didn't come right out and say it..
If he had just said.."Every time I go into Kerrat I get my butt kicked by klingon players left and right ...it's not fair! QQ, nerf! nerf! Klingons are laame! They have no honerz! All klingon players who beat me are fail!!!.. Waaahhh!!! I hates them!!" Everyone would have laughed at him and went on there own merry way.
Instead, he decided to create a thread like this in the middle of a Klingon forum area.. as a way to "get back" at a player base he is raging at and furious with, since he cant do it in -game without getting blown up.:rolleyes:
BTW... this isn't the first time Levi has done this.
Including the outlandish idea that I work for Cryptic - which I do not - or I would be sporting purple MII everything on all my ships - so send me my stuff - Cryptic!!
What I find most interesting in the thread - that in just 5 days it has generated 3200+ views - but there has been ZERO points from cryptic saying my Title of "NO more KDF ships" was not true or a "misrepresentation"
(note for you kdf'er who said I was trying to be alarmist - I tried since the begining to modify the title slightly but it does not allow that)
although I have stated in the original post that Al did say -no more KDF ships for a long time - and that making KDF ships was not profitable to justify:
There has been no comment to refute any of this from cryptic - again I find it hard to believe that a 3200 view thread has not been noticed - so have I really hit the nail on the head as to the future of the KDF? Or do they not look at the KDF formuns al all - even the threads generating a lot of interest? Or they just don't care? - which of course bring me full circle to the orginal post.
The Devs have not looked into the KDF Forums for 2 years. They don't coem here and talk to us.. The big work is done in the Genral Forums. KDF is just the unworthy outcasts of Star Trek Cryptic want us to be.
And yet after all the replies in this thread you still miss quote what was actually said with what you are personally interpreting what he said.
Go back to page 3 and re-read the ACTUAL transcript that was posted by Peregrin.
Jeez dude, stop trying to make out you were right when you were soo far off the bat you might as well be in the delta quadrant. You have repeatedly misquoted, misinterpreted and out right speculated your way through this thread whilst at the same time ignored factual evidence to the contrary.
Your opening post was origionally a lie (at best you were grossly mistaken), it has been since modified to do nothing other than pad your own ego.
The facts here are, Klingons will get new ships just not as often as Fed. Starbases will offer new variants pretty damn soon (and a new flyable ship for klingons).
The whole premise of the thread boils down to nothing more than what players on the red side have already known for a long time now, your continual posts Levi are nothing more than a veiled troll attempt at rubbing it in - regardless of your occasional 1 hour in Kerrat flying a BOP.
And yet after all the replies in this thread you still miss quote what was actually said with what you are personally interpreting what he said.
Go back to page 3 and re-read the ACTUAL transcript that was posted by Peregrin.
Jeez dude, stop trying to make out you were right when you were soo far off the bat you might as well be in the delta quadrant. You have repeatedly misquoted, misinterpreted and out right speculated your way through this thread whilst at the same time ignored factual evidence to the contrary.
Your opening post was origionally a lie (at best you were grossly mistaken), it has been since modified to do nothing other than pad your own ego.
The facts here are, Klingons will get new ships just not as often as Fed. Starbases will offer new variants pretty damn soon (and a new flyable ship for klingons).
The whole premise of the thread boils down to nothing more than what players on the red side have already known for a long time now, your continual posts Levi are nothing more than a veiled troll attempt at rubbing it in - regardless of your occasional 1 hour in Kerrat flying a BOP.
You can believe what you want - say what you want - it still won't change what we get :more c-store Fed ships well into 2013 - and dispite what you think I wish that were different as I wish there were a c-store KDF ship that really caught my interest
Since you and everyone else apparntly knows that the Feds will be getting amazing new C-store ships this year there should be no more posts coming out from the KDF saying "Another new Fed ship!!" or something to the fact -if in the first week there is no post whining about the next Fed ship I will stop posting on the threads completely
You can believe what you want - say what you want - it still won't change what we get :more c-store Fed ships well into 2013 - and dispite what you think I wish that were different as I wish there were a c-store KDF ship that really caught my interest
Since you and everyone else apparntly knows that the Feds will be getting amazing new C-store ships this year there should be no more posts coming out from the KDF saying "Another new Fed ship!!" or something to the fact -if in the first week there is no post whining about the next Fed ship I will stop posting on the threads completely
I seem to remember you posting in your 24-O-whine thread that you would not post in the forums anymore...
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
When new ( I never said amazing, you did) ships come out for the Feds there needs to be some feedback from Klingons aswell.
Where is the balance if things are only tested from the side that is flying them?
Also it shows theres still interest from KDF players in receiving something similar.
You call it feedback - I call it whinning - or crying - and again what is the point??
You have been told to expect nothing(or not for awhile) and many of you including Falcon, Roach, Hawk, etc have said that Cryptic does not read/care/comment on the KDF forums - again I say - what is the point of this KDF - "Feedback"? - to me it comes of as whining about something that can't be changed by the "feedback"
I seem to remember you posting in your 24-O-whine thread that you would not post in the forums anymore...
If you go back I think you will see that I said I won't post in that "thread" any more - and as far as I can recall I did not - if you can find it be my guest
If you cant differentiate feedback from whining then i'm out. You sir are nothing but a failed troll with a blinkered agenda and a complete inability to see another persons view.
Again just for reference, you have been outed by facts many times in this thread yet you will not address them or even acknowledge them.
Your opinion of KDF as a faction and its players is blindingly obvious even though you say you play one (Freud would have a field day with that one)
And your ability to twist, misinterpret and outright lie to get your own agenda across is outstanding +1 to the internetz troll.
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Well, we will both just have to agree to disagree.... regardless of my and your opinion of what we perceive to be the state of game, "I" still maintain my stance and continue my support, and hope <although I am more oft than not disappointed> that eventually this game will get fleshed out and my favored faction will receive some much needed attention. Whether or not that happens, I am still here, I am still playing, I am still paying and I am still enjoying what I can out of this game.
Are some Klingon players bitter? Yes some of us are... I doubt you would understand being a primarily federation player... but I am guessing if roles were reversed you would be "unhappy" with the current state of things, if the shoe were on the other foot. BTW When I say "stagnating" I am not referring to subscriptions... I am referring to "content" it has slowed to a crawl...c-store items do not count as content in my book.
Either way.. like I said, if you honestly think/feel that this game is all set and content is just getting cranked out, and everything is just perfect and PW and Cryptic have done this game nothing but justice then we will just have to agree to disagree....cya in game.
Yeah, that's right.
Don't pull that one with me, your entire post revolved around applying a meaning to one sentence that wasn't there and attempting to address a different sentiment to the one I hold, and one that nobody could possibly think I hold if the whole post was quoted.
And yet again in your rant about the Armitage uproar, you're A: ascribing opinions to people who may or may not have held them without checking your facts, and B: unable to reference an opinion contrary your own without using terms like "crying" or "whining", this is the kind of thing I meant when I said it's impossible to take you seriously. There seems to be little to gain from coming into the KDF part of the forum and in the opening sentence of your "No more KDF ships" post saying things like "problem solved" and then gloating about the Vesta unless your only objective is to be deliberately contrary and inflammatory.
Two things that may help you in dealing with people: It's possible to entertain an idea without endorsing it, and it's possible to disagree with somebody without disrespecting them. On the off chance that it wasn't your intent to stir up trouble, I doubt people would be on your case like this if you had attempted to do either of these things.
I must admit.. for all of my concerns and disappointments I still log in everyday and play.. and I still spend money..:P It's Star Trek and there are Klingons lol who "couldn't" help but delve at least a little enjoyment out of that? :P This is one of the main reasons I am such a strong proponent for "getting more" outta this game and for my faction. It is because I enjoy this game that I care in the first place and the only reason I voice my concerns.
But I must agree.. it is as you said, as long as we both play and have fun, our disagreement cannot be too serious.
Yeah, that's right.
So 2 things happen as they usually do - 3/4/5 players gang up on 1 player - in this case 5 KDF on each FED
After easily blowing them up - several of the KDF players let off the "fireworks" display
yeah great victory! 5 on 1 - an honorable fight worthy of the fireworks display - and this happend the whole hour
I don't get involved in the Gang Bangs - but watching this display you can easily see how the Fed players hate the KDF
And this happens all up the ranks - when the new Fed players are using Ker'rat to try to get new stuff for their ship + the dilth - there are many Experienced KDF players making toons and maxing out the ships at these lower levels just to harras the Fed player
So - Many KDF players - harass - glout - and generally bother the Fed player coming up - then they do things like I mentioned at the top
So IS Cryptic killing the KDF or are the KDF players doing it?
One good step would be to eliminate any type of PvP in Ker'vat - definitely sub level 50
The result was that I got a lot of beating (as well as a couple more KDF in there).
All I want to say, the balance of power in Kerrat depends on time, and instance. Sometimes FEDs are stomping KDF in the ground, sometimes it's the other way around in there.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
You are quite right - both sides do that - but from my experience most KDF players in the game are predominately there to destroy Fed players - while on a % of total players on the Fed side I would say they are most interested in doing other than PvP
SO sub lvl 50 the KDF leaves a long lasting bitter taste in the mouth of many Fed players - this is just another reason less and less Fed players carry over to the KDF - content is king- but this is a big factor
It's clear by now - or should be that this is not a PvP game - Ker'ret should definitley be a neutral zone(borg excepted)
Usually, it is the other way round. Of course, many Klingons use Kerrat for PvP, however, alot of Feds too. in 8 of 10 cases, the Feds outnumber the Klingon and I often see Feds camping in packs at the spawn point luriking for a single Klingon releasing.
When I started playing Kerrat, I had some sort of honor codex, like not to attack Feds involved in fighjts with the borg, or ot to attack an enemy already outnumbered. Within short time, I forgot about it, because most of the Feds I have met in Kerrat have no honor and therefore deserve no fair fight.
Complete contentment is the first step towards stagnation. Not that there is anything wrong with some contentment, but just like Socrates said, "Moderation in everything."
I used to go to Kerrat to try to get the objectives but any more I go to test a new ship build when the PvP queues take too long to pop. So yes I go to scrap. Still I have rules like you that I try to follow.
To some degree I still have that same honor approach in Kerrat. If they were fighting Borg I tend to hang back and let them recover. If we spawn together I tend to hold fire until we have some separation greater than 10k. But I seldom fly cloaked ships, and you do not respawn cloaked even if you are in a cloaked ship. Because everyone tends to spawn at the same point regardless of faction any chivalry tends to just get thrown out the window, especially the first time I am fired upon without provocation.
Maybe that is why I do not hit Kerrat as often as I should. At least in arena play we are all there for about the same reasons.
If the one is an escort, perhaps I can agree with you. However, some Fed cruisers are so overpowered in their tanking, you HAVE to gang up in order to get through their shields and actually take them down. It would depend on the situation.
Also, not all KDF LGs are equal. Some are better and considerably more powerful. The weaker, less-proficient ones might gang up in order to be able to handle any opponent.
Don't like the unpredictability of Ker'rat? Then don't go in there. . .plenty of other ways to earn dilithium.
EDIT: Also, BoPs are supposed to operate in packs to take enemies out in bursts. That's how they're designed, they're not meant for long-term slugging matches.
*** Please don't be fooled by the lack of time listed for me on the avatar, I've been playing since the Beta, I bought the "Lifetime " subscription for the game, and I cannot get a response from the morons that call themselves perfect world to save my life.
I have only been able to log in 1 time since these idiots allowed some accounts to become compromised. They have nonfunctioning links on their support pages, they were notified of this back in April/May 2012 and they still haven't even fixed their own damned web site issues. This combined with the lack of customer support shows they don't give a damn about any of the players that support this game and even if they care in the slightest, they apparently aren't smart enough to do anything with it.
I used to think that Blizzard customer support was the worst, and then Cryptic stabbed us all in the back and involved these morons. My experience with this company is quickly moving them into the same category as Blizzard for me. I vowed to never purchase another Blizzard game after they betrayed their faithful customers with wowcrack and allowed their support to equal that of a self-loathing, trash spewing parasite and I have kept my word. If these idiots can't figure it out, and soon, I will make the same vow for anything with Cryptic or perfectworld attached to it.
For those of us that did buy the "lifetime subscriptions" I say we band together and file class action lawsuits against Cryptic and perfect world. 1 year or 2 years is not a lifetime. The "rewards" that were given at the time that they made this game "free to play" were TRIBBLE and not worth what the "lifetime subscription" fees that was paid.
Finally, Levi3 get's to the "real" point/motivation of this post.
Anyway... I'm a new player to STO. I played a Tac Fed until 25, then rolled and leveled a Tac KDF to 50 grinding out my full Borg kit and started working on other STF goodies.
Then I went back and finished up all of the FED content and leveled my original toon to 50, but I still need to grind Borg/STF stuff for her.
I have 10/10 ships on both sides, including a KDF Galor and FED D'Kora. I bought a life account after playing a week. I have 400 DOffs on both toons, and have spent way too much $$$ on the game, but I'm having some serious fun. Basically, I hope I'm helping prime the pump as far as Season 6 and development of new content.
I love playing both sides.
My friends and I are still not sure which faction star base we will grind. Given how much time/effort
doing a fleet star base right will take, it does not seem likely we'll do both factions.
It's nice to see the STO forums are just like any other game, filled with a diversity of opinions and
agendas.
My Fed toon is basically mothballed now. And I've purchased like 15 of the KDF C-Store ships. Love all of them. Way more fun than Fed ships.
I'm Sorry, but it's not really the wrong way. You think it's wrong, because you're looking forward to the Problem: "How do we can get (a little bit) more money and keep the game running."
The Problem on wich PWE/Cryptic is looking is: "How do we get the max. money out of this TRIBBLE before everyone leaves and the game breaks down."
And if you're looking that way, everything make sense.
In the last decisions I'fe seen from "them" really made me understand, that they are'nt interessted in the Game or the Community.
I'm really sad about this. I'fe been playing this game for a long time and I must admit: "Much stuff was better without F2P".
Don't judge me wrong, after all I hope I'm wrong and everything will get better. But if I look to other games, other Communities... I see that other Owners care about what is written in the forum. If any new player whould look in this forum first before downloading the game... well, I think he whould not playing it.
After all...
Live long and prosper
...and enjoy your given time @ STO
R.I.P
R.I.P
Then I want to point out to the developers that 1st off there is way more feds than there is klingons and 2ndly that around 75% of the feds all run cruiser builds ... Where as 75% of the klingons all run either BoP or Raptor builds .... So if you really want to make some money from the klingon faction on a C-Store ship bust out a new BoP and or Raptor instead of a huge TRIBBLE Bortasque that I swear a turtle swimming in peanut butter could turn faster ... Just my oppinion
Gosh.. it would be awesome to sue them lol. I regret this lifetime bull**** everyday.
This game is getting worse and worse. I honestly just wish it would die the **** off sooner than later.
Yeah, that's right.
What I find most interesting in the thread - that in just 5 days it has generated 3200+ views - but there has been ZERO points from cryptic saying my Title of "NO more KDF ships" was not true or a "misrepresentation"
(note for you kdf'er who said I was trying to be alarmist - I tried since the begining to modify the title slightly but it does not allow that)
although I have stated in the original post that Al did say -no more KDF ships for a long time - and that making KDF ships was not profitable to justify:
There has been no comment to refute any of this from cryptic - again I find it hard to believe that a 3200 view thread has not been noticed - so have I really hit the nail on the head as to the future of the KDF? Or do they not look at the KDF formuns al all - even the threads generating a lot of interest? Or they just don't care? - which of course bring me full circle to the orginal post.
Go back to page 3 and re-read the ACTUAL transcript that was posted by Peregrin.
Jeez dude, stop trying to make out you were right when you were soo far off the bat you might as well be in the delta quadrant. You have repeatedly misquoted, misinterpreted and out right speculated your way through this thread whilst at the same time ignored factual evidence to the contrary.
Your opening post was origionally a lie (at best you were grossly mistaken), it has been since modified to do nothing other than pad your own ego.
The facts here are, Klingons will get new ships just not as often as Fed. Starbases will offer new variants pretty damn soon (and a new flyable ship for klingons).
The whole premise of the thread boils down to nothing more than what players on the red side have already known for a long time now, your continual posts Levi are nothing more than a veiled troll attempt at rubbing it in - regardless of your occasional 1 hour in Kerrat flying a BOP.
You can believe what you want - say what you want - it still won't change what we get :more c-store Fed ships well into 2013 - and dispite what you think I wish that were different as I wish there were a c-store KDF ship that really caught my interest
Since you and everyone else apparntly knows that the Feds will be getting amazing new C-store ships this year there should be no more posts coming out from the KDF saying "Another new Fed ship!!" or something to the fact -if in the first week there is no post whining about the next Fed ship I will stop posting on the threads completely
When new ( I never said amazing, you did) ships come out for the Feds there needs to be some feedback from Klingons aswell.
Where is the balance if things are only tested from the side that is flying them?
Also it shows theres still interest from KDF players in receiving something similar.
I seem to remember you posting in your 24-O-whine thread that you would not post in the forums anymore...
You call it feedback - I call it whinning - or crying - and again what is the point??
You have been told to expect nothing(or not for awhile) and many of you including Falcon, Roach, Hawk, etc have said that Cryptic does not read/care/comment on the KDF forums - again I say - what is the point of this KDF - "Feedback"? - to me it comes of as whining about something that can't be changed by the "feedback"
If you go back I think you will see that I said I won't post in that "thread" any more - and as far as I can recall I did not - if you can find it be my guest
Again just for reference, you have been outed by facts many times in this thread yet you will not address them or even acknowledge them.
Your opinion of KDF as a faction and its players is blindingly obvious even though you say you play one (Freud would have a field day with that one)
And your ability to twist, misinterpret and outright lie to get your own agenda across is outstanding +1 to the internetz troll.
End of.