Despite what you think I do understand your frustrations - but someone who has been around as long as you should see the writing on the wall and read between the lines from what is said by Cryptic - or not said.
Writing on the wall is that the Devs are chasing the majority and we minorities are not important. Just becuase they feel that way is no reason for us to give up our fight to see completion of our faction.
The whole pint of my posting is to force KDF players into the reality that getting upset about it is useless - whining about it is useless - crying about it is useless
Rage threads happen, Whine posts happen. If a player loses control and rages about an aspect of the game that upsets them then the Devs know there may be a problem.
All are just an expression of the upset playerbase and to be honest there are far fewer posts of those natures now than where in existance before.
Spending VAST amouts of money on KDF stuff at the c-store - is NOT useless - this is what PWE pays attention to - that is the only "campaign that has a chance of winning!
True enough and if you or anyone dampens the spirits of the KDF fanbase then they lose heart for playing it and give up, meaning no one buys the Cstore stuff and Cryptic further has reason to deny us a fun a enjoyable level of gameplay.
Kind of sick of hear the IP is about the Federation. This is a game not a show. The Federation is boring, I rarely play them, mostly just use them for dilithium through the Academy Lore missions.
The Dev's wouldn't get anywhere near the complains if they focus on bring the Klingons up to the same standards as the Federation, then they can work on both factions equally. Don't even bother with the Romulan faction, just focus on the two you have.
I live in hope that the KDF will be developed, I really do hope season 7 (which is content) will be primary Klingon content, perhaps a little surprise for us KDF players, even if it's just to shut us up. I doubt it, but I can hope.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
Hope the dev's are'nt reading these forum's cuz everything that al said is being twisted into the death of the klink's which is not true so i hope everybody listen's to the pod cast again with clean ear's other wise all this trolling im reading will kill the klink side off n all the fed's will get is monster bashing which u will get bored off fast n which will kill sto as a game n yes no NEW ship's at the min for the klink's but we WILL b getting new c-store ship's but not till the pvp revamp has been done buy gozer so have paitience n stop all the trolling
Great to hear(but PWE wants to see lots and lots of outside cash flow not dilth farming) - now if another 5000+ KDF players would spend lots and lots of money - real money - not dilth farmed to cp - then maybe, just maybe PWE would do something with the KDF (say 5000 x $200 = $1 million which would be a start)
You have to remember that Cryptic answers to PWE - and spreadsheets and numbers are ALL that matters - $$$$ signs and nothing else
Just to mention something that seems to be a rather huge misconception on these forums. CP's are paid for regardless where you get them from. Unless I'm massively misinformed, cryptic does not pump free CP's into the dilithium exchange for us to grind for; it's all been bought by players at some point. So it's pretty much irrelevant where players get the CP's from, it just matters what they spend it on.
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I hear the news from tribble and some other talk that the Fed Fleets ships will again be increasing in power over the KDF
Defiant retro with 5 tac slots - 4x Purple Anti/or Tet at 30% boost and 1x Quantum purple at 30% - that would make one hell of a decloaking Alpha strike! (as you will be able to use the consoles from the c-store ship and move them onto your fleet ship) It should be able to vaporize any ship in the game
is season 6 making things better for the KDF or worse? Roach what do you think? (this is a serious question - I am not trying to be retorical - I have actually in the course of this thread become somewhat more supportive towards KDF than I thought I would ever be - so perhaps there is some hope)
I hear the news from tribble and some other talk that the Fed Fleets ships will again be increasing in power over the KDF
Defiant retro with 5 tac slots - 4x Purple Anti/or Tet at 30% boost and 1x Quantum purple at 30% - that would make one hell of a decloaking Alpha strike! (as you will be able to use the consoles from the c-store ship and move them onto your fleet ship) It should be able to vaporize any ship in the game
is season 6 making things better for the KDF or worse? Roach what do you think? (this is a serious question - I am not trying to be retorical - I have actually in the course of this thread become somewhat more supportive towards KDF than I thought I would ever be - so perhaps there is some hope)
We actually have a similar advantage with the honor guard (2) piece bonus right now. Assuming the 25% torp bonus damage works the same way as a console, which I'm not sure if it does. We also have a pretty big advantage w/ the Plasmonic Leech console, at least until the Feds whine there way into getting one.
Of course that's assuming there are no upgrades item sets for shield, deflector, etc. I know there are new Mk Xii weapons, I dunno about the rest.
We jump out of the gate pretty strong w/ the Fleet Scourge Destroyer at tier 1 shipyards... That ship is looking like a beast with a mix of a Fleet Escort BO layout and the Defiants maneuverability. And then the 4 tac console BoP at tier 4 is another mean TRIBBLE ship... And that's just looking at escorts and raiders.
I think we're OK. Although I do give a slight edge to the Feds, and a lot of it depends on new items and sets and such. We could go to OK from hosed pretty easily.
We actually have a similar advantage with the honor guard (2) piece bonus right now. Assuming the 25% torp bonus damage works the same way as a console, which I'm not sure if it does. We also have a pretty big advantage w/ the Plasmonic Leech console, at least until the Feds whine there way into getting one.
Of course that's assuming there are no upgrades item sets for shield, deflector, etc. I know there are new Mk Xii weapons, I dunno about the rest.
We jump out of the gate pretty strong w/ the Fleet Scourge Destroyer at tier 1 shipyards... That ship is looking like a beast with a mix of a Fleet Escort BO layout and the Defiants maneuverability. And then the 4 tac console BoP at tier 4 is another mean TRIBBLE ship... And that's just looking at escorts and raiders.
I think we're OK. Although I do give a slight edge to the Feds, and a lot of it depends on new items and sets and such. We could go to OK from hosed pretty easily.
Well the info about the Honor Guard set does explain something I noticed but never really investigated - I have the XII HG shield/Defector on a Heavy Bop and it always seemed to have more punch than a Escort with the Maco - but I never really took a look at the stats/effects
Why not push all the new developed content down a multi faction path...
i.e. Its the same mission with a twist for each faction...oh look a foundary - write your own missions - arc of 8...guess some of the more talented of us could produce some content.
Cryptic should take some of these and polish them and make them into official episodes, maybe hold a competion - give cp/zen as a reward.
The only thing radically different in ship design is the skin/model
All have the same attributes/device slots/console spaces/boff positions...i.e. theres a generic pattern to a ship object...
Yes ofc you need play balance...but I don't see how hard producing multi-faction content is...
is season 6 making things better for the KDF or worse? Roach what do you think?
Any addition to the KDF makes things better and I like the look/layout of the new StarBase ships but it is hard to not say that the feds seem to have the better buffing.
Possibly Cryptic does not wish to let the revenue stream feel like they are not getting thier moneys worth so to speak and therefore stop paying?
What ever the reason, I feel that we are being treated fairly well with these new vessels and look forward to playing them.
Despite the arguing back in forth, he did mention that
1) kdf will get a vet ship
2) next ship (other than the fleet ship) will be the sov retro and ambasador (maybe vesta) and that won't be coming out until season 7.
3) season 7 will be end of dec
My conclusion is, other than the vet ship and fleet ship kdf will not be getting anymore ships until next year.
Yeah for some reason when you dont invest as much in a faction you do t get as much back. Odd.
And yes, the bortas sucks. I know some swear by it but not me.
If I encountered the OP in Baldur's gate, I'd probably use Fire Arrows or Aganazar's Scorcher. Because fire kills those. And I'm not saying you are, because of the rules, but it's hard to take you seriously when you selectively quote a Dev to make an alarmist thread and denigrate any opinion expressing discontent with the development of the KDF as "crying" and ignoring well reasoned opinions contrary to your own. But you appear to have been well fed. Again, not saying you're doing that thing that rhymes with rolling, tolling, bowling and tr... woah, almost... but obvious "not one of them" is obvious.
There are two choices for dealing with an underplayed faction...
They could pump dev time into it to make it more appealing so it gets played more OR they could just leave it on the vine to die.
It's very clear they are choosing option two and it will ultimatly hurt them more than option one. Unless thier goal is a pure fed happy funland they will be disappointed...
Who wants to play cowboys vs cowboys or cops vs cops, you need to have the indians and robbers to make things interesting.
Thier actions recently have pretty much been the death knell for the KDF, instead of keeping desireable things unique to the KDF and adding more to make others try KDF, theyre doing the opposite by just handing the KDF perks to the feds via lockboxes and shiny new ships.
.... you selectively quote a Dev to make an alarmist thread...
(edit although I have the required "..." which indicate there is more to his post - he does not realized this and if anyone else does not know that using "..." means there was more - now you know)
Hello are you living in Eygpt? You certainly are in denial
The Klaxon is ringing very loudly
First the big D says F the KDF on previous podcast and now Al says no c-store KDF ships this year at least(may be never at this rate)
for the rest of the year 2 more Fed ships most likely - listen to Al's tone its "let's not go there for too long" any time a KDF question come up
at exactly 10 min in he is asked if the will raise the roof on the Kdf ships - "yeah- well, NO! - ha ha ha - giggle giggle from both people
He justifies it by mentioning the Raptor HP
But you could use his response for everything
MY TAKE on the issue of the KDF- "Al will the KDF get anything good again?"
AL "yeah -- well --NO!! - Ha ha ha - giggle giggle giggle"
This is not about trolling - its about acceptence! The sooner you accept that the KDF is what it is and won't be getting much better- the sooner you will feel better
What I don't like is all the KDF trolls - making threads telling people that there is hope for the KDF- when it is very clear - the KDF is a minor bit for PWE
There should be no more posts/threads inspiring false hope - play with what you have
No-one should be given false hope about the KDF - then they won't be hurt as much when they get nothing
I don't want to cause any other issue than acceptance and move on with what they have - leading people to believe there is hope is the problem - not spelling out what is clear to almost everyone
Secondly....as I was walking through this sTroll thread...I realized.....there actually aren't that many "KDF Trolls" as Levi says.. and the few KDF players that rightfully voice there concerns or don't resort to fanboism, do it here on the KDF part of the forum...unlike some fedplayers.
Take Levi for example who we all know actually quite irrationally and literallyhates klingon players, and the klingon faction...doesn't play it...and who has demonstrated literally hundreds of times over in hundreds of different posts his mirth, dislike and general contempt for anything Klingon. What then,, is he doing here?
Fed players such as Levi are the antagonists here.. not the minority KDF playerbase. Fed players who come aaaallllll the way over here to a klingon specific forum area for the sole purpose of sowing discontent and hurling insults and getting others riled up and making fun of them. THEY are the ones who are "trolling" as you say, or as I say...antagonizing. You must be a very bored and lonely person to go out of your way like this.
Oh yeah....b4 I forget.. how many klingon players do you see coming over to your areas of the forums and sTrolling around like this? <---- My point..I just made it.
Despite what you think I do understand your frustrations - but someone who has been around as long as you should see the writing on the wall and read between the lines from what is said by Cryptic - or not said.
The whole point of my posting is to force KDF players into the reality that getting upset about it is useless - whining about it is useless - crying about it is useless
Spending VAST amouts of money on KDF stuff at the c-store - is NOT useless - this is what PWE pays attention to - that is the only "campaign that has a chance of winning!
Why, for someone who is not a "double agent" as they call themselves a KDF sympathizer while they sport a Federation avatar, do you remind me so much of HanoiHanna.
What is this some type of propaganda intended to make the KDF players give up and leave so the Devs can focus on what you deem important?
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
Why, for someone who is not a "double agent" as they call themselves a KDF sympathizer while they sport a Federation avatar, do you remind me so much of HanoiHanna.
What is this some type of propaganda intended to make the KDF players give up and leave so the Devs can focus on what you deem important?
Both you and the prior poster really make me shake my head - I don't need to do anything to make the Dev's give up on the KDF - they already HAVE!! Isn't this obvious??
See this is the real problem - people like the two of you trying to separate STO players into either Fed or KDF - you are the problem not me as I play both and support both buy buying ships/doffs on the Fed side and just Doffs on the KDF as I am very happy with my Heavy Bop
If so many KDF players continue this rivalry it will only lead to further disintegration of the KDF
My point still stands - PWE is only interested in $$$$ - KDF players have to provide lots of it if they want PWE to take any notice
and my 2 KDF that you might see out there every day are:
Hello are you living in Eygpt? You certainly are in denial
The Klaxon is ringing very loudly
First the big D says F the KDF on previous podcast and now Al says no c-store KDF ships this year at least(may be never at this rate)
for the rest of the year 2 more Fed ships most likely - listen to Al's tone its "let's not go there for too long" any time a KDF question come up
at exactly 10 min in he is asked if the will raise the roof on the Kdf ships - "yeah- well, NO! - ha ha ha - giggle giggle from both people
He justifies it by mentioning the Raptor HP
But you could use his response for everything
MY TAKE on the issue of the KDF- "Al will the KDF get anything good again?"
AL "yeah -- well --NO!! - Ha ha ha - giggle giggle giggle"
So I don't know what you would call "alarming"
Hey, you do realise that even if you trim my post down to make it look like I meant something else, that people will still see mine intact, and probably before yours because it's higher up the page, right? Just thought I'd mention that before you go all word twisting and making a rope for yourself by using other countries for a derogatory comparison.
In the interests of education however, I didn't call anything "alarming", I called your post "alarmist", which is a different word and means a different thing.
Both you and the prior poster really make me shake my head - I don't need to do anything to make the Dev's give up on the KDF - they already HAVE!! Isn't this obvious??
See this is the real problem - people like the two of you trying to separate STO players into either Fed or KDF - you are the problem not me as I play both and support both buy buying ships/doffs on the Fed side and just Doffs on the KDF as I am very happy with my Heavy Bop
If so many KDF players continue this rivalry it will only lead to further disintegration of the KDF
My point still stands - PWE is only interested in $$$$ - KDF players have to provide lots of it if they want PWE to take any notice
and my 2 KDF that you might see out there every day are:
We are voices that represent the KDF. Proof positive that some do in fact play KDF. We do not divide the community.
I have 14 toons only 4 are Fed. I own every ship currently available in the C-Store for the KDF, (and 80% of the Feds ships to boot). All of my KDF toons have at least 4 C-Store DOFF packs. One even has four Ferasians for their away team. I have bought many lock box keys that have been sold on the exchange to outfit many of my 10 KDF toons with better DOFFs from the exchange.
You come here and demand we spend more on the KDF when you have bought only DOFFs? Put your money where your mouth is, as I have, or shut up Hanoi Hanna. I am the least of the KDF's problems according to your math.
Your point means NOTHING in light of what I have paid to show my support for the KDF.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
Both you and the prior poster really make me shake my head - I don't need to do anything to make the Dev's give up on the KDF - they already HAVE!! Isn't this obvious??
Yes it is. We've known for a year and a half that the developers have given up on the KDF faction. You're not informing us of anything we didn't already know, you're not helping us to see the light, you're hiding behind those motivations to smugly remind us that our favorite faction was doomed from the start. You're not helping, you're merely stirring up anger.
See this is the real problem - people like the two of you trying to separate STO players into either Fed or KDF
No. The Federation players, as they called themselves, divided up the player base months before launch by shouting down our efforts to just get some information about the KDF faction. They called us 'KDF whiners', and worse, when we complained on the forums about the rampant bugs on the KDF side, bugs that made the faction almost unplayable for months.
When we asked the devs what their reasoning was for destroying the PvP experience of the 'PvP faction' by adding FvF wargames to STO, members of the CDF, the self-identified 'Federation Players', informed us that we should feel lucky that the KDF wasn't simply removed from the game entirely.
After Starfleet received a dozen new ships the KDF asked for one. And were promptly shouted down and insulted by Federation players who said that they'd be angry if the devs spent a single minute working on a KDF ship.
So no. It isn't the 'Klingon players' who've tried to divide the player base into two factions. It's the devs and the self-identified 'Federation players' who've done that.
If so many KDF players continue this rivalry it will only lead to further disintegration of the KDF
The KDF is gone already. They got tired of being lied to and have moved on to other games.
I have literally dozens of people on my friends list that haven't logged on since just a few months after launch. That's over two years ago. Qo'noS was packed with Klingon players back then.
My point still stands - PWE is only interested in $$$$ - KDF players have to provide lots of it if they want PWE to take any notice
No. Spending money on the C-Store on KDF items isn't going to help the KDF at this point.
There simply aren't enough KDF players left to make a difference. Unless the few remaining KDF players start cutting checks to Cryptic in the $10k or $100k range the KDF is never going to get made into a full-fledged MMO faction.
Even the Federation in this game isn't a full-fledged MMO faction. 70 whole missions? MMOs routinely launch with 400, 500 missions per faction at a minimum. The Feds had barely 50 at launch? That's just a sad joke really. This whole game is.
"Any change to non-good alignment immediately strips the ranger of all benefits, and the character becomes a fighter, with eight-sided hit dice, ever after, and can never regain ranger status."
problem is, if you wanna do a klink, you have to do fed first (you may correct me if i am wrong) and lot of people do not want to play the same missions twice (as the klink do not have much different missions. only a very few). therefor, not a lot of people will ever have a top level klingon and that again means, not a lot of klingon ships get sold via the store
Ebeneezer and Piwright.... 2 of my fellow Klingon players....<who ironically also do not sTroll through fed threads on this forum either> have logic and reasoning to argue your blatantly eager attempt to gloat, mock, and otherwise antagonize an already disgruntled, yet dedicated and surprisingly goodnatured player-base, Levi3.
I too have bought every single klingon item including doff packs and all the "extras" on the klingon side supporting cryptic with my wallet and my voice, I also play every day and happen to enjoy the Klingon faction even tho it has been neglected. However I, just like these other two players...not only continue to show support with my wallet.. but also continually voice our concerns hoping and attempting..<without antagonizing anyone> to bring much needed attention to a game we enjoy.
We also happen to go about this in a sensible, yet polite way, Roach, Ebeneezer, and Peregrine specifically do this.. and put up with alot of "TRIBBLE" such as this thread from other players just like you.
No amount of your negativity is going to change that fact or get us "riled up" make any of us scream back at you, or make us abandon our faction, or make our situation any worse. Nice try but, no cigar Levi. If anything you have only proven the point you were trying to argue. But, lets break it down and put this to rest anyways, shall we?
Do we know our faction is neglected? Yes, we know.. anyone does all they have to do to see is just log in.
Do we know that STO is stagnating? Yes, we know...Cryptic is milking the franchise and PW is facilitating this.
Do we know that alot of federation players hate klingons cuz they get popped in pvp anytime they go up against the majority of the klingon "pvp prevalent" player-base in this game? Yes we know,, we have disgruntled players like you reminding us with threads like this all the time.
Hey, you do realise that even if you trim my post down to make it look like I meant something else, that people will still see mine intact, and probably before yours because it's higher up the page, right? Just thought I'd mention that before you go all word twisting and making a rope for yourself by using other countries for a derogatory comparison.
In the interests of education however, I didn't call anything "alarming", I called your post "alarmist", which is a different word and means a different thing.
Hey You do realize that when someone quotes someone "...and they were clueless..." it means that there was other stuff written - just not in the quote!?
What do you people think can be done to save the KDF?
At this point I am left with the impression from the Big D and Al + others that they intend to let the KDF fizzle into dust?
Perhaps I am wrong?
Maybe you guys are right- the amount of players left at 15/16% and declining day by day does not have the mass to economically change thing at this point - so The KDF is just like a slow moving train heading for the bridge that is out
The amount of whine and crying and complaining when the Armitage came was epic - and we will see 2 more before year end - so what use is there to this tactic - does it have any effect at all on Cryptic?
Dstahl NEVER gave 2 s**ts about the KDF faction. This has been apparent since day 1. He may have gone and come back, but his mindset is still the same.
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The Dev's wouldn't get anywhere near the complains if they focus on bring the Klingons up to the same standards as the Federation, then they can work on both factions equally. Don't even bother with the Romulan faction, just focus on the two you have.
I live in hope that the KDF will be developed, I really do hope season 7 (which is content) will be primary Klingon content, perhaps a little surprise for us KDF players, even if it's just to shut us up. I doubt it, but I can hope.
The question now is will you spend the money in the amouts to make PWE take notice?
It pains me to say it but KDF fanboy Roach is starting to soften me - ahhh!
Devs have not been to the KDFs Forums for 2 years now. Actually I believe they never looke here at all, just rearrange topics from the main forums.
I'm with Roach. I won't allow Cryptic to let the KDF vanish it oblivion so easily.
Just to mention something that seems to be a rather huge misconception on these forums. CP's are paid for regardless where you get them from. Unless I'm massively misinformed, cryptic does not pump free CP's into the dilithium exchange for us to grind for; it's all been bought by players at some point. So it's pretty much irrelevant where players get the CP's from, it just matters what they spend it on.
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Defiant retro with 5 tac slots - 4x Purple Anti/or Tet at 30% boost and 1x Quantum purple at 30% - that would make one hell of a decloaking Alpha strike! (as you will be able to use the consoles from the c-store ship and move them onto your fleet ship) It should be able to vaporize any ship in the game
is season 6 making things better for the KDF or worse? Roach what do you think? (this is a serious question - I am not trying to be retorical - I have actually in the course of this thread become somewhat more supportive towards KDF than I thought I would ever be - so perhaps there is some hope)
We actually have a similar advantage with the honor guard (2) piece bonus right now. Assuming the 25% torp bonus damage works the same way as a console, which I'm not sure if it does. We also have a pretty big advantage w/ the Plasmonic Leech console, at least until the Feds whine there way into getting one.
Of course that's assuming there are no upgrades item sets for shield, deflector, etc. I know there are new Mk Xii weapons, I dunno about the rest.
We jump out of the gate pretty strong w/ the Fleet Scourge Destroyer at tier 1 shipyards... That ship is looking like a beast with a mix of a Fleet Escort BO layout and the Defiants maneuverability. And then the 4 tac console BoP at tier 4 is another mean TRIBBLE ship... And that's just looking at escorts and raiders.
I think we're OK. Although I do give a slight edge to the Feds, and a lot of it depends on new items and sets and such. We could go to OK from hosed pretty easily.
Well the info about the Honor Guard set does explain something I noticed but never really investigated - I have the XII HG shield/Defector on a Heavy Bop and it always seemed to have more punch than a Escort with the Maco - but I never really took a look at the stats/effects
i.e. Its the same mission with a twist for each faction...oh look a foundary - write your own missions - arc of 8...guess some of the more talented of us could produce some content.
Cryptic should take some of these and polish them and make them into official episodes, maybe hold a competion - give cp/zen as a reward.
The only thing radically different in ship design is the skin/model
All have the same attributes/device slots/console spaces/boff positions...i.e. theres a generic pattern to a ship object...
Yes ofc you need play balance...but I don't see how hard producing multi-faction content is...
Is it not that simple?
Any addition to the KDF makes things better and I like the look/layout of the new StarBase ships but it is hard to not say that the feds seem to have the better buffing.
Possibly Cryptic does not wish to let the revenue stream feel like they are not getting thier moneys worth so to speak and therefore stop paying?
What ever the reason, I feel that we are being treated fairly well with these new vessels and look forward to playing them.
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1) kdf will get a vet ship
2) next ship (other than the fleet ship) will be the sov retro and ambasador (maybe vesta) and that won't be coming out until season 7.
3) season 7 will be end of dec
My conclusion is, other than the vet ship and fleet ship kdf will not be getting anymore ships until next year.
Yeah for some reason when you dont invest as much in a faction you do t get as much back. Odd.
And yes, the bortas sucks. I know some swear by it but not me.
They could pump dev time into it to make it more appealing so it gets played more OR they could just leave it on the vine to die.
It's very clear they are choosing option two and it will ultimatly hurt them more than option one. Unless thier goal is a pure fed happy funland they will be disappointed...
Who wants to play cowboys vs cowboys or cops vs cops, you need to have the indians and robbers to make things interesting.
Thier actions recently have pretty much been the death knell for the KDF, instead of keeping desireable things unique to the KDF and adding more to make others try KDF, theyre doing the opposite by just handing the KDF perks to the feds via lockboxes and shiny new ships.
(edit although I have the required "..." which indicate there is more to his post - he does not realized this and if anyone else does not know that using "..." means there was more - now you know)
Hello are you living in Eygpt? You certainly are in denial
The Klaxon is ringing very loudly
First the big D says F the KDF on previous podcast and now Al says no c-store KDF ships this year at least(may be never at this rate)
for the rest of the year 2 more Fed ships most likely - listen to Al's tone its "let's not go there for too long" any time a KDF question come up
at exactly 10 min in he is asked if the will raise the roof on the Kdf ships - "yeah- well, NO! - ha ha ha - giggle giggle from both people
He justifies it by mentioning the Raptor HP
But you could use his response for everything
MY TAKE on the issue of the KDF- "Al will the KDF get anything good again?"
AL "yeah -- well --NO!! - Ha ha ha - giggle giggle giggle"
So I don't know what you would call "alarming"
Ok, first of all.....
http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/blog/assets_c/2011/10/Pinocchio_nose_grows-thumb-350x259-52448.jpg
Secondly....as I was walking through this sTroll thread...I realized.....there actually aren't that many "KDF Trolls" as Levi says.. and the few KDF players that rightfully voice there concerns or don't resort to fanboism, do it here on the KDF part of the forum...unlike some fedplayers.
Take Levi for example who we all know actually quite irrationally and literallyhates klingon players, and the klingon faction...doesn't play it...and who has demonstrated literally hundreds of times over in hundreds of different posts his mirth, dislike and general contempt for anything Klingon. What then,, is he doing here?
Fed players such as Levi are the antagonists here.. not the minority KDF playerbase. Fed players who come aaaallllll the way over here to a klingon specific forum area for the sole purpose of sowing discontent and hurling insults and getting others riled up and making fun of them. THEY are the ones who are "trolling" as you say, or as I say...antagonizing. You must be a very bored and lonely person to go out of your way like this.
Oh yeah....b4 I forget.. how many klingon players do you see coming over to your areas of the forums and sTrolling around like this? <---- My point..I just made it.
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Hey, you do realise that even if you trim my post down to make it look like I meant something else, that people will still see mine intact, and probably before yours because it's higher up the page, right? Just thought I'd mention that before you go all word twisting and making a rope for yourself by using other countries for a derogatory comparison.
In the interests of education however, I didn't call anything "alarming", I called your post "alarmist", which is a different word and means a different thing.
Which, I believe, is exactly what you want.
No. The Federation players, as they called themselves, divided up the player base months before launch by shouting down our efforts to just get some information about the KDF faction. They called us 'KDF whiners', and worse, when we complained on the forums about the rampant bugs on the KDF side, bugs that made the faction almost unplayable for months.
When we asked the devs what their reasoning was for destroying the PvP experience of the 'PvP faction' by adding FvF wargames to STO, members of the CDF, the self-identified 'Federation Players', informed us that we should feel lucky that the KDF wasn't simply removed from the game entirely.
After Starfleet received a dozen new ships the KDF asked for one. And were promptly shouted down and insulted by Federation players who said that they'd be angry if the devs spent a single minute working on a KDF ship.
So no. It isn't the 'Klingon players' who've tried to divide the player base into two factions. It's the devs and the self-identified 'Federation players' who've done that.
The KDF is gone already. They got tired of being lied to and have moved on to other games.
I have literally dozens of people on my friends list that haven't logged on since just a few months after launch. That's over two years ago. Qo'noS was packed with Klingon players back then.
No. Spending money on the C-Store on KDF items isn't going to help the KDF at this point.
There simply aren't enough KDF players left to make a difference. Unless the few remaining KDF players start cutting checks to Cryptic in the $10k or $100k range the KDF is never going to get made into a full-fledged MMO faction.
Even the Federation in this game isn't a full-fledged MMO faction. 70 whole missions? MMOs routinely launch with 400, 500 missions per faction at a minimum. The Feds had barely 50 at launch? That's just a sad joke really. This whole game is.
Thank you for the reality check PeregrineFalcon. I will try to keep my passion in check better in the future.
Good to have your voice back.
I too have bought every single klingon item including doff packs and all the "extras" on the klingon side supporting cryptic with my wallet and my voice, I also play every day and happen to enjoy the Klingon faction even tho it has been neglected. However I, just like these other two players...not only continue to show support with my wallet.. but also continually voice our concerns hoping and attempting..<without antagonizing anyone> to bring much needed attention to a game we enjoy.
We also happen to go about this in a sensible, yet polite way, Roach, Ebeneezer, and Peregrine specifically do this.. and put up with alot of "TRIBBLE" such as this thread from other players just like you.
No amount of your negativity is going to change that fact or get us "riled up" make any of us scream back at you, or make us abandon our faction, or make our situation any worse. Nice try but, no cigar Levi. If anything you have only proven the point you were trying to argue.
But, lets break it down and put this to rest anyways, shall we?
Do we know our faction is neglected? Yes, we know.. anyone does all they have to do to see is just log in.
Do we know that STO is stagnating? Yes, we know...Cryptic is milking the franchise and PW is facilitating this.
Do we know that alot of federation players hate klingons cuz they get popped in pvp anytime they go up against the majority of the klingon "pvp prevalent" player-base in this game? Yes we know,, we have disgruntled players like you reminding us with threads like this all the time.
So all in all.... Nice try but, no cigar.
Yeah, that's right.
Hey You do realize that when someone quotes someone "...and they were clueless..." it means that there was other stuff written - just not in the quote!?
At this point I am left with the impression from the Big D and Al + others that they intend to let the KDF fizzle into dust?
Perhaps I am wrong?
Maybe you guys are right- the amount of players left at 15/16% and declining day by day does not have the mass to economically change thing at this point - so The KDF is just like a slow moving train heading for the bridge that is out
The amount of whine and crying and complaining when the Armitage came was epic - and we will see 2 more before year end - so what use is there to this tactic - does it have any effect at all on Cryptic?
Is there a better solution?