Up until this post here, I was more then willing to have insightful and helpful conversations to assist in the possible further growth of your game play.
But after this posted replies to Husnakx.. And reading what I read in Organized_PVP.. I'm done.
Sir, you obviously have your head WAY up your TRIBBLE. I've been a nice guy, and I usually try to refrain from bringing my temper to this forum, but **** it. I'm done being nice. Your absoulte disregard for not only helpful information, but this higher then thou additude has definitely got to stop. If you ****ing think that you know more then Husnakx, to respond in such an insulting way that you did, go some place else. We don't want your kind here. You just ranked up there, for me, in the same area as Thegrandnagus. And actually I almost like him better then you at this point.
So go back under your bridge you disgusting little ****tard of a troll. And take that stupid peice of garbage you call a carrier before I decide to go back into my BoP again and start hunting after you every chance I get. And believe me. I can, and will pop that little carrier of yours every time I can. Up until now you've been seeing my helpful and nice side. And with that said.. I leave you with a simple..
GFLL which translates to Get ****ing lost, loser! :mad:
YEA what he said. And i am not sure how the thread lasted this long.
So you have 2 and a half years experience with an Atrox. Interesting. How did you do that?
you... you cant be this stupid. there has been ships with both a LTC sci station and COM sci station since day 1. it doesn't mater if these abilities are used on your cat box or a recon sci, they do the same thing.
the only difference with your cat box is that it doesn't have the maneuverability to leverage abilities as well as other actual science ships.
Feedback Pulse and Transphasics may work surprising well in PuGs as well.
Think of it.
Two PuG Escorts fly around. Let's call them Ehla and Charo. The see a Carrier. "WTF SPAMMER!" they think. "LOL NO EPTZ! NOOB" they think. "Focus Fire on => Feline Supplement"
CRF and APB/APO start their 10-15 second cycles. Carriers starts its FBP and a bit later RSP and at some point Transfer Shield Strength, firing of Transphasics
30 seconds later he's probably whittled down. But maybe so are the Escorts. 1 dead Atrox, 2 dead Escorts, team Atrox is winning by a 1:2 advantage.
It falls apart if someone throws a subnuke or the Escorts do not repeat the mistake.
And of course, I am not sure if RSP + TSS will really make you last long enough to deal with the Escorts with Transphasics and FBP.
At least with 40 % bleedthrough, the chances are getting better. May be interesting to see the metagame evolve here, if it turns into a problem. Maybe some Escorts will start relying on Evasive DOFFs + 1 EPtS and 1 Aux2SIF? Or everyone will fly Fleet Escort/Armitage?
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
And Hussi, stop inventing nicknames for people. You are about as good at it as I am.
wow...........sophlogimo, im not even going to read this anymore. i think everyone should stop. mav made a wall of text that i read. i doubt you did. you still act like a prick to people that are being nothing but nice to you. did you notice the change in attitude? they are trying to help. yet your acting like an TRIBBLE. i still cant get how mav of all people still dealing with you. do you know he spends alot of time in chat helping people with questions? actually they all do. im always using a pm on these guys for advice and hoping im not going to annoy them with build advice and questions. unlike you i actually want help. you know it took me close to 300 days just to get my escourt where i want it. i had no help, over 40 respecs. yes i wanted to get it there myself. no i had no 1 there to help me. i did ask a few people a few times but people told me figure it out myself. fine i did and im happy i got it. the engy was easier. its there for healing and some dps. the sci carrier is a thorn in my side. in truth the sci carrier just cant hold up like an escourt or even the oddy. least thats how it seems to me. but these guys take all thier time to help you and you just argure back? are you even looking for help? i doubt it you are.
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
Some. But there others who, at this point, are merely trying to prove (or even just claim) that they are right. Hence the "Sophie" designation, which I find rather annoying - and they are aware of that, of course.
If he actually had wanted to help, he would have refrained from using such nicknames, from posting that he "knew my gender" and other such nonsense, and he would not just have made claims but provided some math or empirical evidence for his claim. Or at least some kind of argument.
It took almost 70 pages of look at me posts before I decided you sounded like one of my ex wives and started calling you Sophie.
Anyway... if you can't get 3 torps to hit the global you have bad doffs... 3 purple torp doffs (if that is your main dmg type you should be running 3). Every single torp will hit the global... Chrons I found do sometimes skip one here or there... but really 20% chance x 3... and the fact that each proc will reduce the cool downs on ALL torps loaded means 1 per second is the norm.
Doff Proc Math
1 - ( ( 1 - x ) ^ y )
This tells me that each torp fire has a 48% chance to proc a 5 second reduction.
I know I can fire 3 torps before I run into a cool down with out doffs.... so I get 3 fires at 48% so. In those 3 fires I have a 87% chance to proc one reduction.... so in general with 8 second and faster torps the chances of firing all 3 and having to wait 5 seconds for the next firing round is 12%... really you can count on the doffs with 3 launchers.
There is also a chance that multiple doffs proc on one launcher completely resetting ALL torp tubes.
Now to DPS numbers on torps... I have ran multiple tests in both PvE (where I will run similer spec torps... for my torps generaly crithx3... cause its what I have 3 of every type, I will also use the same ship and same skill load, I even try as best I can to run each run exactly like the last) I run SB24 3 times with each type and average the numbers...
For PvP I have crunched numbers with my Brel torp bop... and yes I have used every type I won't include numbers cause honesty there all over the place... bottom line is in general the pve test numbers hold true for pvp.
Any way drum roll.... Survey says..
First Place
Plasma Highest DPS torpedo
With Spread 3... average 320k dmg in SB24 runs
With no buffs... average 280k dmg in SB24 runs
Second Place
Quantum
With Spread 3.. average 270k dmg
with no buffs... average 220k dmg
Third Place
Photon
With Spread 3... average 250k dmg
with no buffs... average 200k dmg
Fourth Place
Chroniton (there dmg numbers where very close to photon... which is interesting seeing as photon get no prcos)
With Spread 3... average 250k dmg
with no buffs... average 200k dmg
Fifth place
Transphasic
With Spread 3... average 210k dmg
with no buffs... average 160k dmg
One other note on torpedo viability... my SB24 all cannon runs... DPS is almost identical to the plasma torp numbers.
One other note I know I didn't inlcude any pvp numbers for you.. interesting note though unbuffed plasma torps end up with almost as high a dps number as buffed ones in pvp... I would make a pretty safe educated guess that that has to do with the unbuffed version of the torp having a 100% chance to proc the burn proc.
One last note please understand I am not saying plasma is the best torp in every situation hands down... every torp has its uses. (which make torps a ton of fun imo) Plasmas are far from the highest burst dmg torp... I am talking about pure Damage Over Time (DPS) here.
Husanak, do you know if plasma torps are affected by the set shield resists? I ask because there are other occasions where the game differentiates between two similar energy types (e.g. spiral waves, plasma energy consoles don't boost plasma torps, etc.)
Husanak, do you know if plasma torps are affected by the set shield resists? I ask because there are other occasions where the game differentiates between two similar energy types (e.g. spiral waves, plasma energy consoles don't boost plasma torps, etc.)
Pretty sure its only energy plasma... could be wrong though... really the burn proc does most of the dmg in pvp and that is right to hull.
Husanak, do you know if plasma torps are affected by the set shield resists? I ask because there are other occasions where the game differentiates between two similar energy types (e.g. spiral waves, plasma energy consoles don't boost plasma torps, etc.)
If you look at Plasma Torps. They are kinetic damage first. The Plasma Part is a proc, that as Husnakx said, is straight to hull damage. So unless the target has Consoles helping to resist that kind of damage, the Torps proc should burn at the same damage all the time.
Also, that damage does get buffed by buffs/resist debuffs. So if you have Attack Pattern Delta/Beta, Fire on my Mark, A sensor Scan, and tac buffs you can expect the Dot damage to increase as well, obviously.
At least this is how I have witnessed it when in PVP.
*Note: This was a reply to some one else concerning information that I felt was relevent, and not an attempt to further along Sophie's thread.
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
If you look at Plasma Torps. They are kinetic damage first. The Plasma Part is a proc, that as Husnakx said, is straight to hull damage. So unless the target has Consoles helping to resist that kind of damage, the Torps proc should burn at the same damage all the time.
Also, that damage does get buffed by buffs/resist debuffs. So if you have Attack Pattern Delta/Beta, Fire on my Mark, A sensor Scan, and tac buffs you can expect the Dot damage to increase as well, obviously.
At least this is how I have witnessed it when in PVP.
*Note: This was a reply to some one else concerning information that I felt was relevent, and not an attempt to further along Sophie's thread.
That's actually really interesting, I had no idea the DoT could be buffed too. And resistance-wise, they'd only be affected by kinetics (rather than any type of plasma), right?
That's actually really interesting, I had no idea the DoT could be buffed too. And resistance-wise, they'd only be affected by kinetics (rather than any type of plasma), right?
Exactly... the plasma dot is very strong and effective... however understand the dot alone will likely never kill anyone... (outside of extremely dedicated dot builds... like my Full Kinetic Cloaked B'rel... which stays cloaked for more dmg and uses KHG for kinetic buffs ect).
What it is great for however is tons of very good pressure dmg... I will often not be on the focus target with my plasma builds... I will stay on a healer or CC ship and force them to focus on themselves or at the very least use there hazards on themselves.
Plasma heavy teams are also a good counter to Glider teams... as the borg 3 piece shield proc removes dots... glider means no free dot removal.
I'd imagine a ship dedicated solely to constant harass or pressure damage would be a real little minx of a build. Maybe something tanky or at least piloted by an Eng captain so that it doesn't pay off to focus it, but with a decent enough turn so that it can get torps in the arc or speed so that it can spam warp plasma. Put some torp spread and a plasma torp console on there and it'd be a huge pain in the TRIBBLE for all involved.
Up until this post here, I was more then willing to have insightful and helpful conversations to assist in the possible further growth of your game play.
But after this posted replies to Husnakx.. And reading what I read in Organized_PVP.. I'm done.
Sir, you obviously have your head WAY up your TRIBBLE. I've been a nice guy, and I usually try to refrain from bringing my temper to this forum, but **** it. I'm done being nice. Your absoulte disregard for not only helpful information, but this higher then thou additude has definitely got to stop. If you ****ing think that you know more then Husnakx, to respond in such an insulting way that you did, go some place else. We don't want your kind here. You just ranked up there, for me, in the same area as Thegrandnagus. And actually I almost like him better then you at this point.
So go back under your bridge you disgusting little ****tard of a troll. And take that stupid peice of garbage you call a carrier before I decide to go back into my BoP again and start hunting after you every chance I get. And believe me. I can, and will pop that little carrier of yours every time I can. Up until now you've been seeing my helpful and nice side. And with that said.. I leave you with a simple..
GFLL which translates to Get ****ing lost, loser! :mad:
Don't be upset that I knew you where a girl. Your circular logic reminds me so much of my first 2 wives that your gender was plainly obvious. (no offense to that gender in general).
Oh and everyone knows I'm Qaw... or Hus... Caaa Qaw Sophie.
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YEA what he said. And i am not sure how the thread lasted this long.
you... you cant be this stupid. there has been ships with both a LTC sci station and COM sci station since day 1. it doesn't mater if these abilities are used on your cat box or a recon sci, they do the same thing.
the only difference with your cat box is that it doesn't have the maneuverability to leverage abilities as well as other actual science ships.
cool build tho perhaps I'm wrong
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Think of it.
Two PuG Escorts fly around. Let's call them Ehla and Charo. The see a Carrier. "WTF SPAMMER!" they think. "LOL NO EPTZ! NOOB" they think. "Focus Fire on => Feline Supplement"
CRF and APB/APO start their 10-15 second cycles. Carriers starts its FBP and a bit later RSP and at some point Transfer Shield Strength, firing of Transphasics
30 seconds later he's probably whittled down. But maybe so are the Escorts. 1 dead Atrox, 2 dead Escorts, team Atrox is winning by a 1:2 advantage.
It falls apart if someone throws a subnuke or the Escorts do not repeat the mistake.
And of course, I am not sure if RSP + TSS will really make you last long enough to deal with the Escorts with Transphasics and FBP.
At least with 40 % bleedthrough, the chances are getting better. May be interesting to see the metagame evolve here, if it turns into a problem. Maybe some Escorts will start relying on Evasive DOFFs + 1 EPtS and 1 Aux2SIF? Or everyone will fly Fleet Escort/Armitage?
wow...........sophlogimo, im not even going to read this anymore. i think everyone should stop. mav made a wall of text that i read. i doubt you did. you still act like a prick to people that are being nothing but nice to you. did you notice the change in attitude? they are trying to help. yet your acting like an TRIBBLE. i still cant get how mav of all people still dealing with you. do you know he spends alot of time in chat helping people with questions? actually they all do. im always using a pm on these guys for advice and hoping im not going to annoy them with build advice and questions. unlike you i actually want help. you know it took me close to 300 days just to get my escourt where i want it. i had no help, over 40 respecs. yes i wanted to get it there myself. no i had no 1 there to help me. i did ask a few people a few times but people told me figure it out myself. fine i did and im happy i got it. the engy was easier. its there for healing and some dps. the sci carrier is a thorn in my side. in truth the sci carrier just cant hold up like an escourt or even the oddy. least thats how it seems to me. but these guys take all thier time to help you and you just argure back? are you even looking for help? i doubt it you are.
It took almost 70 pages of look at me posts before I decided you sounded like one of my ex wives and started calling you Sophie.
Anyway... if you can't get 3 torps to hit the global you have bad doffs... 3 purple torp doffs (if that is your main dmg type you should be running 3). Every single torp will hit the global... Chrons I found do sometimes skip one here or there... but really 20% chance x 3... and the fact that each proc will reduce the cool downs on ALL torps loaded means 1 per second is the norm.
Doff Proc Math
1 - ( ( 1 - x ) ^ y )
This tells me that each torp fire has a 48% chance to proc a 5 second reduction.
I know I can fire 3 torps before I run into a cool down with out doffs.... so I get 3 fires at 48% so. In those 3 fires I have a 87% chance to proc one reduction.... so in general with 8 second and faster torps the chances of firing all 3 and having to wait 5 seconds for the next firing round is 12%... really you can count on the doffs with 3 launchers.
There is also a chance that multiple doffs proc on one launcher completely resetting ALL torp tubes.
Now to DPS numbers on torps... I have ran multiple tests in both PvE (where I will run similer spec torps... for my torps generaly crithx3... cause its what I have 3 of every type, I will also use the same ship and same skill load, I even try as best I can to run each run exactly like the last) I run SB24 3 times with each type and average the numbers...
For PvP I have crunched numbers with my Brel torp bop... and yes I have used every type I won't include numbers cause honesty there all over the place... bottom line is in general the pve test numbers hold true for pvp.
Any way drum roll.... Survey says..
First Place
Plasma Highest DPS torpedo
With Spread 3... average 320k dmg in SB24 runs
With no buffs... average 280k dmg in SB24 runs
Second Place
Quantum
With Spread 3.. average 270k dmg
with no buffs... average 220k dmg
Third Place
Photon
With Spread 3... average 250k dmg
with no buffs... average 200k dmg
Fourth Place
Chroniton (there dmg numbers where very close to photon... which is interesting seeing as photon get no prcos)
With Spread 3... average 250k dmg
with no buffs... average 200k dmg
Fifth place
Transphasic
With Spread 3... average 210k dmg
with no buffs... average 160k dmg
One other note on torpedo viability... my SB24 all cannon runs... DPS is almost identical to the plasma torp numbers.
One other note I know I didn't inlcude any pvp numbers for you.. interesting note though unbuffed plasma torps end up with almost as high a dps number as buffed ones in pvp... I would make a pretty safe educated guess that that has to do with the unbuffed version of the torp having a 100% chance to proc the burn proc.
One last note please understand I am not saying plasma is the best torp in every situation hands down... every torp has its uses. (which make torps a ton of fun imo) Plasmas are far from the highest burst dmg torp... I am talking about pure Damage Over Time (DPS) here.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Pretty sure its only energy plasma... could be wrong though... really the burn proc does most of the dmg in pvp and that is right to hull.
If you look at Plasma Torps. They are kinetic damage first. The Plasma Part is a proc, that as Husnakx said, is straight to hull damage. So unless the target has Consoles helping to resist that kind of damage, the Torps proc should burn at the same damage all the time.
Also, that damage does get buffed by buffs/resist debuffs. So if you have Attack Pattern Delta/Beta, Fire on my Mark, A sensor Scan, and tac buffs you can expect the Dot damage to increase as well, obviously.
At least this is how I have witnessed it when in PVP.
*Note: This was a reply to some one else concerning information that I felt was relevent, and not an attempt to further along Sophie's thread.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
why you no like husanak?
he's a pretty rockin dude.
i think you should shut up and take notes kid.
Very true, Husanak is one of the best Players in the game imo and any advice he give you i would listen to.:D
That's actually really interesting, I had no idea the DoT could be buffed too. And resistance-wise, they'd only be affected by kinetics (rather than any type of plasma), right?
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Exactly... the plasma dot is very strong and effective... however understand the dot alone will likely never kill anyone... (outside of extremely dedicated dot builds... like my Full Kinetic Cloaked B'rel... which stays cloaked for more dmg and uses KHG for kinetic buffs ect).
What it is great for however is tons of very good pressure dmg... I will often not be on the focus target with my plasma builds... I will stay on a healer or CC ship and force them to focus on themselves or at the very least use there hazards on themselves.
Plasma heavy teams are also a good counter to Glider teams... as the borg 3 piece shield proc removes dots... glider means no free dot removal.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
These two posts are gold! Love it!
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He commands a cathouse
Complete with thai ladyboys?
ROFL! This thread is gold.
Arawn - SOB
OP *is* the new balance, whether you know it or not! Gecko says so.
Season 7 - Exodus, available online. U buy nao!
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Madame Sophie The Marvelous
I woulda thought Sharon Needles seemed appropriate.
Arawn - SOB
OP *is* the new balance, whether you know it or not! Gecko says so.
Season 7 - Exodus, available online. U buy nao!
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<Star Trek Movie reference>
But I told that joke 7 years ago!
I get it. Hahahaha. I finally get it!
Arawn - SOB
OP *is* the new balance, whether you know it or not! Gecko says so.
Season 7 - Exodus, available online. U buy nao!
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As it pulled out of the shipyard I smashed a bottle of bloodwine across the bow of the Tactical Carrier I.K.S. Sopheita.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
I have a Klinky tac in a karfi too. He doesn't have very good space specs, so when I'm in the mood for spamlulz, that's what I fly!
Arawn (& related toons) - SOB
OP *is* the new balance, whether you know it or not! Gecko says so.
Season 7 - Exodus, available online. U buy nao!
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