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otheeroze
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Go there and you are in peril. From gangs, lone wolves, campers...you name it. I despise being a cog in a machine performing my role till my hull erupts. Waiting in q's bah. A little bit of 0.0 would do alot for this game.
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So I suggest to make it more canon. If your ship is armed you're not allowed to enter.
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Not to mention a way not to have high level players gang up on lower level players, oh and a way for people doing the Davidian missions without get blown to bits going between Drozna and K7 and the other systems you have to go through.
Yeah, having been double crossed and ruined playing Evony, I've come to appreciate the fact that STO makes PvP optional. Don't get me wrong, I am competitive, and I've got to see how I measure up against other players in PvP and "friendly competition" PvE's, but you get a horde of virtual Huns together and...well...I guess they'd better start releasing the Hirogen as a playable faction if they're gonna do that.
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With servers set aside for those that want that environment.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] "I weary of the chase. Wait for me. I shall be merciful and quick."
We are already at war though,, so his idea is actually full of WIN and has been echoed and asked for several hundered times since the launch of this game. Open pvp is always a good thing in any game. The best part? If you dont like pvp..<like most ppl who oppose this idea,> you can choose not to enter or participate.
Yeah, that's right.
any HIGHER level player attacking a lower level one gets disconnected for one day per level difference
Any player GANGING up on a lower level player gets disconnected (account wide) for 1 day per Combined level higher
And of course their FACTION has declared war on the other and they get demoted to "ensign"
I TOTALLY agree with this. Since players complained about NPCs pulling you into Deep Space Encounter instances there's now no danger in sector space at all. Just about every other MMO on the planet has dangers associated with travelling. Why not let actual players pull you into instances like the NPCs used to? (In the Neutral Zone only.) I would also recommend that when you die, you're done - and you'd respawn at the nearest Star Base.
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I have no problem with an Open PvP zone As Long As I'm not forced to enter it if I don't want to.
If I'm just doffing around or trying to complete mission "X", then non-consensual PvP sucks.
If I can take the long way around and get to my mission safely 100% of the time, no problem...
Or, I can take a shortcut to try to get to my mission faster and most likely risk getting pulled into PvP.
Even then, it's kind of tiresome if you automatically get pulled into PvP just because someone else decides to lurk on the border... so there ought to be some opportunity to evade and pick your battles.
I'd look at it like this --
Two opposing player ships get into intercept range in sector space. Each player gets a popup where they can click "Engage" or "Evade". The ships are able to keep moving, just like they do when a transport is in range.
If both click "Engage", they automatically instance into a space PvP map.
If both click "Evade", nothing happens and they go on their merry way.
If either clicks a different button than the other person, or if one clicks "Engage" and the other person allows a timer to expire, the game randomly decides whether the evasion is successful or not.
There could be external factors that influence the odds, like relative ship speeds, whether the aggressor has the T-3 Marauding ability, whether the defender has the T-3 Diplomacy ability, etc.
So, where could we logically put these Open PvP zones?
Well, how about crossing through Exploration Clusters to get to somewhere else? For example, if there were a PvP zone between Delta Volanis and the Rolor Nebula? Or the Arucanis Arm to the Hromi Cluster? Like that.
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I vote for them to be off the Pelia sector...
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Instead of just "Engage" and "Evade" clickies in my last post, what if it was more like "Rock, Paper, Scissors"?
Instead, we'll call them "Attack, Defend, Evade" -- any number of players in contact range have (x) seconds to click one of three options.
Anyone clicking "Attack" automatically enters PvP (if there are any opponents).
Anyone clicking "Defend" gets a 25% chance to avoid PvP.
Anyone clicking "Evade" gets a 50% chance to avoid PvP.
Anyone failing to click within the timer is automatically treated as if they had clicked Defend.
In addition, what if these "stance" choices resulted in specific buffs or debuffs during the encounter? I haven't come up with any schemes I like yet, but I'm working on it.
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So let's say that clicking one of these buttons activates a status effect of the same name on your ship for the entire encounter.
The basic principle would be:
Attack beats Evade,
Evade beats Defense,
Defense beats Attack
So along those lines, what about something like...
Attack "status":
+DMG vs Evaders
Evade "status":
+Defense vs Defenders
Defense "status":
+Crit chance vs Attackers
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I agree 100%.
If the Neutral Zone had been designed for sector PvP from the start, it would have been less problematical. But since it wasn't, any open PvP zones need to be in new areas.
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Personally I hate Arena style PvP. Its too limited. That TRIBBLE is for the WoW and Halo kiddies. I used to love playing on Darktide server in Asheron's Call where you could fight anyone...anywhere....anytime. The element of surprise is half the fun. Running along and blindside somebody or getting blindsided. In Dark Age of Camelot you had 3 factions fighting it out in 3 massive zones. Could be 8v8 or 100 v 100 v 100 at any given time with multiple variables that could occur in any single engagement.
STO's PvP is just meet in the middle and button mash. Only time its half-assed fun is when your in a premade group that communicates and assists. Otherwise if im PUG'n it, I just cloak, sit back and watch the fail, collect my EC's and Dilithium while jamming out with Pandora or watching South Park on the other PC.
Imagine this
your nice shiney new escort carrier is cruising peacefully along as you do your doff missions and tell gorn jokes to your fleet..
then BAMM
A pair of heavy raptors decloak and blow you into titchy tiny bits
or
There you are cruising happily along in your much loved classic Enterprise on the way to a meeting with your orion girlfriend
And BAMM three or four Defiant R's appear and kick your head in
or maybe there you are happy as a klingon in a punch up as you laugh at how you just won a STF in record time and BAMM
thirty people you messed with on the forums decloak and rip your shields down and give you a tetryon wedgie
Then and only then do you realise EVE protocols are in place and you just lost all your EC , Gear and Borg items
You're about to enter the open PVP sector space, you get a pop up dialogue from your first officer telling you what may happen if you go into that sector. If you click to continue, you get a second pop-up (not a dialogue) that ask you if you're sure yes or no,then you can go forward knowing you may get attack, or take a different route and avoid any PVP.
it may work as long as there's no systems that players must access to complete a mission, even making it a shortcut will not work, they will complain that they shouldn't be forced to take a detour to avoid PVP.
I have done all the Devidian mission, i pass trough the neutral zone man times per day, i have been at Drozana many times and also at k-7, i never EVER been pulled by somebody into fighting PvE or PvP on any sector of the galaxy, so what are you talking about? O_O
Thanks and excuse my noobness! :P
I think at one time you could be pulled in to a PVE instance from sector space (or I may have clicked on something and blamed the game, not sure).
you can only PVP in arena maps from the queue window.
We're talking about "what if" there was an area for PVP.
And no, I will not excuse your noobness. You're welcome to comment and ask anything here. Or elsewhere for that matter.
And really, i think that something like that should not happen, as many of you have pointed out already, it is by no means "canon", neither is describes how the neutral zone is on the ST universe.
:rolleyes:
PvP, like other core systems such as crafting, needs to be an integral part of the gameplay to have any semblance of meaning or purpose.
You can't simply tack on a system and go "Hey, here's PvP, go blow each other up". It doesn't work like that, evident by so many failed PvP implementations throughout the past decade or so of MMORPG releases, with substantial subscriber losses shortly after launch to boot.
There hasn't been a successful PvP MMORPG in a very long time, for that very reason. Guild Wars and EVE possibly being the only exceptions.
Star Trek Online is no exception to poorly implemented PvP systems, because it was never an integral part of the game, and it never will be.
There's a reason Dark Ages of Camelot is is considered to have been one of the best PvP games, it was built from the ground up to support PvP, not as some optional arena fluff.
and if its going to be open it should be in a SMALL contained area with all Fleet and personal identifiers TOTALLY disabled and all chat disabled
no vent
no teamspeak
just open war without level bias or caps
so if a VA gets jumped by 150 lts thats hjs hard luck
oh and no reward without loss
so if you can win a MK 12 item the other guy should lose one