its about time the feds got some ships, i mean how many OP ships do the klinks have? u dont see the feds flying around using cloaks that can be fired through do you? or fed ships that are absolutly HUUUUUUGE like the klink carrier, or the many many cheating OP consoles the klinks have?.........whats that i hear??? a no.......well then there ya go, dont get me wrong i have a max lvl klink to, but in all fairness the consoles the klinks use are rediculous and OP
My brother´s main toon is a Klingon and i was watching him play most of the missions, truly, the KDF is not OP, they have many ships yes, but they seriously need to be completed, tided up and polished ASAP.
Essentially we're annoyed at being the 2nd class citizens of this game, While the feds seem to get everything they cry for, we get nothing again and again.
Last ship they released (Atrox) we at least got a Mission, than they got a Fighter and now the HEC and we didn't even get a Mission this time. The gap is getting bigger; at Tier 5 they have 5 escorts, we get 2, they have 5 Cruisers we get 3, they get 5 Sci Vessels we get 1. The only areas we're ahead is we have 2 Carriers to there 1 and 2 BoPs. Totals are 16 to 9 they only need two more and they have double our number, don't forget they have 7 Shuttles and 2 Fighters while we got the Toron and the Tu'Doj.
It's not even the ships, we have less than a third of the content the Feds have and nowhere near the costume options.
Well yes i know, i am a Federation level 50 and my brother is a Klingon level 50, but still, why so much hate towards the Federation?, pal, you really think it is my, or any other Fed´s fault that the Klingon Empire is not finished and so poorly supplied?
Well yes i know, i am a Federation level 50 and my brother is a Klingon level 50, but still, why so much hate towards the Federation?, pal, you really think it is my, or any other Fed´s fault that the Klingon Empire is not finished and so poorly supplied?
You're starving and looking into the restaurant window at the elite throwing away rolls they don't feel like eating. You get shooed away for bothering the patrons.
Yes, the patrons didn't create the system that means they have lots and you have none, but don't you think you'd be ****ed at them?
I don't understand all the ship envy here, the KDF has had the marauder for a while now. Its a full cruiser isn't it? Keeps the factions a little different, the feds get the escort carrier while the KDF gets the cruiser carrier. And yes, the escort does DPS while the cruiser takes a ton of damage and heals and debuffs.
Heck, it even comes with a useful special item in the way of their unique fighter pets, while the Armitage gets a torp PDS of questionable utility. Think about it for a moment, throwing around lots of mini torps is going to be super effective in PvP or PVE against shielded opponents right? All it'll do is grab aggro... so yeah, I'd rather have a special fighter pet I might actually use someday. Preferably the Valkyrie form the Star Trek PS2 fighter game but at this point I'd even take Bajoran Militia fighters!
I honestly just find this whole silly "Federation/Klingon rivalry" thing amusing. I mean, STO is not a game where your faction is bound to your account. Anyone can roll as many Fed or Klingon characters as they like. Get real, folks.
We are upset that we have been further regulated to the shadows with word of being never bothered with again, stuck with half of a faction, while parts of the fanbase that shares the game with us keep saying "get used to it."
WHo in thier right mind with any sense of justice would not be upset?
It's not ship envy. There are plenty of ships in this game as it is. It's that the Feds whine and cry for new ones all the time, and they get them. It's not just ships either. Meanwhile, the KDF doesn't even have the basic gameplay elements in place to actually enjoy using the ships they do have.
It's frustrating because some people enjoy the KDF playstyle, but have nothing to do in-game. But I guess a fed-centric player would not understand that.
I think I am pretty reasonable. All I want is the following:
- KDF-only content to carry us from level 1 to 20, then what we have from there is fine IMO.
- Open PVP in certain sector blocks
- Continue developing stuff for the feds, but throw the KDF at least a small bone with every fed-centric release
Do those things, and KDF will be fine in my book. Not on par with the feds, but that is fine with me. Yeah, the feds are the biggest portion of players. Just make it look like you made an effort with the KDF.
I agree.. we need to start getting more ships... and fast. We also need to start getting hybrids ourselves to even out the imbalance against ridiculous ships like the Atrox and Armitage...both of which if built right by an experienced pvpr are quite OP. I think its high time we got a new, hybrid ship of our own. Check out this thread detailing a new BoP idea....the K'Vort BoP/Cruiser hybrid.
I agree.. we need to start getting more ships... and fast. We also need to start getting hybrids ourselves to even out the imbalance against ridiculous ships like the Atrox and Armitage...both of which if built right by an experienced pvpr are quite OP. I think its high time we got a new, hybrid ship of our own. Check out this thread detailing a new BoP idea....the K'Vort BoP/Cruiser hybrid.......
*points to the Marauder as a Hybrid, then dusts it off a little because its been around such a long time*
As far as a good PvPer making any ship OP.... Have you ever fought a skilled PvPer in a B'rel? The much maligned B'rel, in the hands of a skilled pilot is only second to the thrice accursed bug in OPness in my book. The key is the skilled pilot, a bad one will get blown away.
I think everyone is just taking advantage of the new ship to vent their frustrations. Not that they're not warranted and justified, its not even wrong to vent TBH. But, the more I think about it the more I realize the missing 25 levels of PvE is a boon not a curse. People are more apt to try a KDF toon if they only have to level 25 levels instead of the full 50, and those that are hyped about playing a KDF captain will still burn thru the fed levels in a weekend anyway. I myself finished my KDF tac alt well before my fed engi and sci alts, even though I started them way earlier. I would not have been as motivated if I had to stare at a full 50 level progression, especially if it overlapped with fed missions i'd already done. Having played both sides i'd rather the fed missions were fewer but at the quality enjoyed by the KDF missions. They may be fewer but are generally better. (Note: I admit this seems like a backwards way of looking at things, but I can't get around the fact that i don't think the generally held opinion that a lot more would start out as KDF if given the change is at all correct. I could be wrong i just don't think I am. Heck, I wish I was wrong. I just don't see it.)
People say they want to have places to play their ships.... does anyone think Fed players go back and replay the early missions for anything else other than level appropriate rewards? Of course not. What Feds and KDFs need is more endgame content to fly our ships in.
That said I do wholeheartedly agree that the KDF needs a few more ships and definitely more ship costumes, or at least to open up past costumes to higher level ships. For example I want the ning'kao X-wing look to be available to more BoPs. Its insane that after out leveling it you never get to use an old costume. At least for the KDF, which has a history of not changing the look of ships as much as they make newer versions. More importantly it opens up new options for players, and even cryptic wins since it makes C-store ships more enticing if you can reuse their looks on higher tier ships. The venture class skin making it to the Galaxy and Dreadnought classes are perfect examples of this.
When I say "hybrid" I am not referring to the marauder.. I am referring to something like the Armitage...an escort/carrier hybrid. Something a bit more blatant as far as the term "hybrid" goes. As to your BoP statement.. yes, in fact my main flies a Brel and has done so for as long as they have been out. I also mainly just pvp in STO. It took me a very long time thru many nerfs to learn a good <and current> viable pvp build for my BoP and lots of practice. Now I wolf it up with the best of em.... perhaps you'd like to meet me in Kerrat and get acquainted? :P
Either way... the Atrox and the Armitage in the hands of a decent pvpr and with an optimal build are two very superior ships to the majority of the klingon line up.. just like the FE and MVAE. This is nothing new. Now the fact that the feds keep gettin OP c-store ships cranked out every few weeks while the KDF meanwhile gets nothing....THAT is where the majority of the angst is coming from. NOT that fed ships are too OP ...we already know fed ships are stronger than klingon ships... as someone said today in Kerrat..."Balance isn't exactly one of STO's strong points."
Escort/Carrier = Hybrid = Cruiser/Carrier. I'm not sure what the complaint it?
Its clear that in STO terms carriers just need to carry combat pets of some sort, it does not denote any handling characteristics.
And my Vo'quv did PvP just fine and I'm a mediocre PvPer if even that. Admittedly i've never flown an Atrox but I can't imagine it being too different. You launch your pets and you do your Sci powers. And that was being flown by a tac no less. By all accounts the Kar'fi is the actual carrier powerhouse, and most agree the Atrox does not compare.
There's plenty of OP KDF ships too; however, your complaints about wanting more ships are completely valid. Like I said they should alt least open up some of the lower tier skins for the sake of variety. Not as good as new ships but it'd at least improve the visual aspect a bit.
We will have to agree to disagree on what ships are OP. <Hey that rhymes! lol> But anyways.. what I was sayin is that klingon players arent angry at the new ships being too strong so much as they are angry over the new ships themselves. Or rather, the number of them.
This is how it looks to a predom. Klingon player.... the feds seem to get a new ship or shiny just about every few weeks, meanwhile, Klingons continue to get only the shaft. THAT is where most of the gripe is coming from. That's all I was trying to say. Oh, that and we need a new ship.>cough< K'Vort! >cough<
I fly escorts so I can understand watching others get ships, the last endgame fed escort came out... over a year ago? The highlight was the release of the Sao Paolo because it brought new ship costume options. Seriously, we were all excited for costume options and a weapon of questionable power that looks really cool. To escort pilots "them" are the cruiser captains lol, so everyone always has greener grass to want. KDF get annoyed Feds get more ships, while escort pilots get annoyed another cruiser is added to the fed ranks, bleh.
Are you counting the shuttle as a ship release? That may as well be a giant doorstop or paperweight.
The k'vort.... 8 weapons, 6 forward, 2 rear, so an increase in forward firepower of roughly 33%? With a cloak?... Is it made of tinfoil and lacking in shields? If it has no downsides I'd expect the downside to be a high price. the first of the $30 USD ships? But hey, if they think they can get KDF players to spend on it they may very well release it. Its not like balance matters to the devs after all.
Kidding aside, i wonder if the reason we don't see ships come out more often really IS a lack of ideas as to what to release? All we mostly see are abilities shuffled around, adding a fighter bay to an FE and, reskinning and tweaking of the the Vo'quv, I understand the catian shuttle reuses an old ability for its "stealth system". Could they be out of ideas? Is that why there's so much talk of fleet bases allowing you to upgrade older ships... saves them the trouble of coming up with something new, much less havign to balance it?
I fly escorts so I can understand watching others get ships, the last endgame fed escort came out... over a year ago? The highlight was the release of the Sao Paolo because it brought new ship costume options. Seriously, we were all excited for costume options and a weapon of questionable power that looks really cool. To escort pilots "them" are the cruiser captains lol, so everyone always has greener grass to want. KDF get annoyed Feds get more ships, while escort pilots get annoyed another cruiser is added to the fed ranks, bleh.
Are you counting the shuttle as a ship release? That may as well be a giant doorstop or paperweight.
The k'vort.... 8 weapons, 6 forward, 2 rear, so an increase in forward firepower of roughly 33%? With a cloak?... Is it made of tinfoil and lacking in shields? If it has no downsides I'd expect the downside to be a high price. the first of the $30 USD ships? But hey, if they think they can get KDF players to spend on it they may very well release it. Its not like balance matters to the devs after all.
Kidding aside, i wonder if the reason we don't see ships come out more often really IS a lack of ideas as to what to release? All we mostly see are abilities shuffled around, adding a fighter bay to an FE and, reskinning and tweaking of the the Vo'quv, I understand the catian shuttle reuses an old ability for its "stealth system". Could they be out of ideas? Is that why there's so much talk of fleet bases allowing you to upgrade older ships... saves them the trouble of coming up with something new, much less havign to balance it?
Actually the K'Vort would have a sloow turn rate and less hull and shields than even the weakest sci cruiser. That would make up for the increase to fire power and the cloak. As to what you were saying about why ships are not being released, I think it is these due to the following reasons:
1.) I strongly believe there are only 3 or 4 devs working on this game to keep the servers running...and even then, only during off time from NWN. I do not think there are any devs working on content until the very last minute when they rush something out the week before.
2.) Licensing.... getting licenses for these ships and races often involves multiple parties and layers of copyrights and sometimes even royalties to actors, designers and writers. So even if Cryptic DID care about STO they still would have to cut through a lot of red tape and wait quite awhile for some of these things.
All in all I personally don't believe Cryptic cares enough about the IP or anything Star Trek in general to go through the effort to acquire anything additional that involves a considerable amount of effort.
1.) I strongly believe there are only 3 or 4 devs working on this game to keep the servers running...and even then, only during off time from NWN. I do not think there are any devs working on content until the very last minute when they rush something out the week before.
I think this is a strong possibility, except in my mind they ALSO loose a lot of time working in systems that then get abandoned, and instead of 3 or 4 I'm thinking 8 or so, but really the effect is so minor it may as well actually be ONE very skilled person that is actually doing it all. But yeah, their most common excuse for anything not getting done is "its too hard" or "it'd take too long". Try telling that to any client next time they ask something of you, be sure to say it with sincerity too lol
Am I the only one actively wanting NWN to fail? I loved the original but i doubt Cryptic would actually give content creators the freedom to do whatever they want or grow it with mods. I can't help but feel its going to be substandart compared to the original, its goign to cost more, and its all going to be tied to cryptic so no hosting content elsewhere, and worse its stunting the growth of CO and STO.
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By Kahless, No!
..business as usual
Its great to warp into Kerrat, see 2 klinks fighting 6+ feds.. now 3 klinks.. and the feds scatter like ash in the breeze.
Have all the new ships you wants feddies, I'll worry when you start to learn how to use them.
QFT FTW LOL
But I -am- Kihlass! (see what I did there?)
Whats up with that btw? Every horse I've ever met loves to headbut. Are they all Klingon at heart?
misspelled Kahless????
They aren't any Romulans?
Essentially we're annoyed at being the 2nd class citizens of this game, While the feds seem to get everything they cry for, we get nothing again and again.
Last ship they released (Atrox) we at least got a Mission, than they got a Fighter and now the HEC and we didn't even get a Mission this time. The gap is getting bigger; at Tier 5 they have 5 escorts, we get 2, they have 5 Cruisers we get 3, they get 5 Sci Vessels we get 1. The only areas we're ahead is we have 2 Carriers to there 1 and 2 BoPs. Totals are 16 to 9 they only need two more and they have double our number, don't forget they have 7 Shuttles and 2 Fighters while we got the Toron and the Tu'Doj.
It's not even the ships, we have less than a third of the content the Feds have and nowhere near the costume options.
You're starving and looking into the restaurant window at the elite throwing away rolls they don't feel like eating. You get shooed away for bothering the patrons.
Yes, the patrons didn't create the system that means they have lots and you have none, but don't you think you'd be ****ed at them?
Heck, it even comes with a useful special item in the way of their unique fighter pets, while the Armitage gets a torp PDS of questionable utility. Think about it for a moment, throwing around lots of mini torps is going to be super effective in PvP or PVE against shielded opponents right? All it'll do is grab aggro... so yeah, I'd rather have a special fighter pet I might actually use someday. Preferably the Valkyrie form the Star Trek PS2 fighter game but at this point I'd even take Bajoran Militia fighters!
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It's only the top of the iceberg of many insults by the devs to the KDF players.
KDF is lacking many things and still Cryptic again and again finds things to make instead of much needed content.
Better yet look at the ratio between Fed shuttles and fighters to the KDF equivalents.
It's not envy, it's a rift.
We are upset that we have been further regulated to the shadows with word of being never bothered with again, stuck with half of a faction, while parts of the fanbase that shares the game with us keep saying "get used to it."
WHo in thier right mind with any sense of justice would not be upset?
R.I.P
It's frustrating because some people enjoy the KDF playstyle, but have nothing to do in-game. But I guess a fed-centric player would not understand that.
I think I am pretty reasonable. All I want is the following:
- KDF-only content to carry us from level 1 to 20, then what we have from there is fine IMO.
- Open PVP in certain sector blocks
- Continue developing stuff for the feds, but throw the KDF at least a small bone with every fed-centric release
Do those things, and KDF will be fine in my book. Not on par with the feds, but that is fine with me. Yeah, the feds are the biggest portion of players. Just make it look like you made an effort with the KDF.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=277651
Yeah, that's right.
But they can't even manage that, so now I just stick to blueside.
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*points to the Marauder as a Hybrid, then dusts it off a little because its been around such a long time*
As far as a good PvPer making any ship OP.... Have you ever fought a skilled PvPer in a B'rel? The much maligned B'rel, in the hands of a skilled pilot is only second to the thrice accursed bug in OPness in my book. The key is the skilled pilot, a bad one will get blown away.
I think everyone is just taking advantage of the new ship to vent their frustrations. Not that they're not warranted and justified, its not even wrong to vent TBH. But, the more I think about it the more I realize the missing 25 levels of PvE is a boon not a curse. People are more apt to try a KDF toon if they only have to level 25 levels instead of the full 50, and those that are hyped about playing a KDF captain will still burn thru the fed levels in a weekend anyway. I myself finished my KDF tac alt well before my fed engi and sci alts, even though I started them way earlier. I would not have been as motivated if I had to stare at a full 50 level progression, especially if it overlapped with fed missions i'd already done. Having played both sides i'd rather the fed missions were fewer but at the quality enjoyed by the KDF missions. They may be fewer but are generally better. (Note: I admit this seems like a backwards way of looking at things, but I can't get around the fact that i don't think the generally held opinion that a lot more would start out as KDF if given the change is at all correct. I could be wrong i just don't think I am. Heck, I wish I was wrong. I just don't see it.)
People say they want to have places to play their ships.... does anyone think Fed players go back and replay the early missions for anything else other than level appropriate rewards? Of course not. What Feds and KDFs need is more endgame content to fly our ships in.
That said I do wholeheartedly agree that the KDF needs a few more ships and definitely more ship costumes, or at least to open up past costumes to higher level ships. For example I want the ning'kao X-wing look to be available to more BoPs. Its insane that after out leveling it you never get to use an old costume. At least for the KDF, which has a history of not changing the look of ships as much as they make newer versions. More importantly it opens up new options for players, and even cryptic wins since it makes C-store ships more enticing if you can reuse their looks on higher tier ships. The venture class skin making it to the Galaxy and Dreadnought classes are perfect examples of this.
Either way... the Atrox and the Armitage in the hands of a decent pvpr and with an optimal build are two very superior ships to the majority of the klingon line up.. just like the FE and MVAE. This is nothing new. Now the fact that the feds keep gettin OP c-store ships cranked out every few weeks while the KDF meanwhile gets nothing....THAT is where the majority of the angst is coming from. NOT that fed ships are too OP ...we already know fed ships are stronger than klingon ships... as someone said today in Kerrat..."Balance isn't exactly one of STO's strong points."
Yeah, that's right.
Its clear that in STO terms carriers just need to carry combat pets of some sort, it does not denote any handling characteristics.
And my Vo'quv did PvP just fine and I'm a mediocre PvPer if even that. Admittedly i've never flown an Atrox but I can't imagine it being too different. You launch your pets and you do your Sci powers. And that was being flown by a tac no less. By all accounts the Kar'fi is the actual carrier powerhouse, and most agree the Atrox does not compare.
There's plenty of OP KDF ships too; however, your complaints about wanting more ships are completely valid. Like I said they should alt least open up some of the lower tier skins for the sake of variety. Not as good as new ships but it'd at least improve the visual aspect a bit.
This is how it looks to a predom. Klingon player.... the feds seem to get a new ship or shiny just about every few weeks, meanwhile, Klingons continue to get only the shaft. THAT is where most of the gripe is coming from. That's all I was trying to say. Oh, that and we need a new ship.>cough< K'Vort! >cough<
Yeah, that's right.
Are you counting the shuttle as a ship release? That may as well be a giant doorstop or paperweight.
The k'vort.... 8 weapons, 6 forward, 2 rear, so an increase in forward firepower of roughly 33%? With a cloak?... Is it made of tinfoil and lacking in shields? If it has no downsides I'd expect the downside to be a high price. the first of the $30 USD ships? But hey, if they think they can get KDF players to spend on it they may very well release it. Its not like balance matters to the devs after all.
Kidding aside, i wonder if the reason we don't see ships come out more often really IS a lack of ideas as to what to release? All we mostly see are abilities shuffled around, adding a fighter bay to an FE and, reskinning and tweaking of the the Vo'quv, I understand the catian shuttle reuses an old ability for its "stealth system". Could they be out of ideas? Is that why there's so much talk of fleet bases allowing you to upgrade older ships... saves them the trouble of coming up with something new, much less havign to balance it?
Actually the K'Vort would have a sloow turn rate and less hull and shields than even the weakest sci cruiser. That would make up for the increase to fire power and the cloak. As to what you were saying about why ships are not being released, I think it is these due to the following reasons:
1.) I strongly believe there are only 3 or 4 devs working on this game to keep the servers running...and even then, only during off time from NWN. I do not think there are any devs working on content until the very last minute when they rush something out the week before.
2.) Licensing.... getting licenses for these ships and races often involves multiple parties and layers of copyrights and sometimes even royalties to actors, designers and writers. So even if Cryptic DID care about STO they still would have to cut through a lot of red tape and wait quite awhile for some of these things.
All in all I personally don't believe Cryptic cares enough about the IP or anything Star Trek in general to go through the effort to acquire anything additional that involves a considerable amount of effort.
Yeah, that's right.
I think this is a strong possibility, except in my mind they ALSO loose a lot of time working in systems that then get abandoned, and instead of 3 or 4 I'm thinking 8 or so, but really the effect is so minor it may as well actually be ONE very skilled person that is actually doing it all. But yeah, their most common excuse for anything not getting done is "its too hard" or "it'd take too long". Try telling that to any client next time they ask something of you, be sure to say it with sincerity too lol
Am I the only one actively wanting NWN to fail? I loved the original but i doubt Cryptic would actually give content creators the freedom to do whatever they want or grow it with mods. I can't help but feel its going to be substandart compared to the original, its goign to cost more, and its all going to be tied to cryptic so no hosting content elsewhere, and worse its stunting the growth of CO and STO.