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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    cheer wrote: »

    Fixed that for you :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    BROKEN1981 wrote:
    sorry but i have to call bs on this. ships can effect pvp. just look at the fed carrier, the jem and the glador and dokora. and clearly this ship is the most op comming to pvp. awesome just what we all need. all tacts in the cat box are doing it wrong. but this ship......... epts 1 rsp epts3 or epts 1 epts 2 and dem 2. going to be awesomely op in pvp trust me.

    and dont forget to use a mk12 purple rcs

    Sorry, I have to call BS on this. Designing ships and figuring what the nacells are going to look like, or if the saucer is going to be circular or oval has no effect on PVP. He doesn't figure out the stats or abilities of the ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    BROKEN1981 wrote:
    sorry but i have to call bs on this. ships can effect pvp. just look at the fed carrier, the jem and the glador and dokora. and clearly this ship is the most op comming to pvp. awesome just what we all need. all tacts in the cat box are doing it wrong. but this ship......... epts 1 rsp epts3 or epts 1 epts 2 and dem 2. going to be awesomely op in pvp trust me.

    and dont forget to use a mk12 purple rcs

    Miller is a ship artist. He has no say in what powers, BO slots, or stats a ship has. All of those are determined by Al Rivera (a.k.a CaptainGeko) who is in charge of ship power balancing. If you feel that a ship has unbalanced things, he's the dev you need to talk to.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    BROKEN1981 wrote:
    sorry but i have to call bs on this. ships can effect pvp. just look at the fed carrier, the jem and the glador and dokora. and clearly this ship is the most op comming to pvp. awesome just what we all need. all tacts in the cat box are doing it wrong. but this ship......... epts 1 rsp epts3 or epts 1 epts 2 and dem 2. going to be awesomely op in pvp trust me.

    and dont forget to use a mk12 purple rcs

    Let me clarify, Miller makes ship models. He does not determine the stats of these ships or any other aspect of game play. The only aspect of STO he affects is aesthetics and he does a damn good job at it btw.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Yep, closest a ship artist will probably get to systems/dev is placing weapons hardpoints in the model for the systems/dev team to hook up to.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    BROKEN1981 wrote:
    sorry but i have to call bs on this. ships can effect pvp. just look at the fed carrier, the jem and the glador and dokora. and clearly this ship is the most op comming to pvp. awesome just what we all need. all tacts in the cat box are doing it wrong. but this ship......... epts 1 rsp epts3 or epts 1 epts 2 and dem 2. going to be awesomely op in pvp trust me.

    and dont forget to use a mk12 purple rcs

    Please understand I'm on the art side of things. I have no choice in powers at all.

    I do agree with you that ships do effect how PvP runs. I know that our PvP guy is hard at work on new systems. When that's at a point of completion, I'm pretty sure there will be some sort of balancing going on.

    I do have max level characters both Fed and KDF, although I haven't gotten into PvP. No mater what mmo it is wow, rift, swtor.....I have never gotten into PvP. Its just not my cup of tea. Id rather get a bunch of friends together and do some co-op.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Aside from the fact that a Carrier, no matter its base design, with the maneuverability of an Escort is just absurd and insulting. It gives up nothing for the ability to launch fighters. Its base turn rate should be reduced.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Warmaker01 wrote: »
    Does it surprise you? The Feds whine, Cryptic caves in.

    Excuse me, but Feds aren't the only whiners here. You that choose to play KDF are without a doubt the most prolific whiners. All you DO is whine. You're fortunate that the KDF faction even exists, even though it isn't as fleshed-out as the Feds.

    Yes, Feds whine and Cryptic caves -- but Feds are 90% of the playerbase, and you know what that's politely referred to as? Catering to the demands of your biggest customers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Shame that the new akira will be a carrier as i was talking to a friend and we agree it is op and the carrier part of it shouldn't be on this at all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Ubernaut wrote:
    Excuse me, but Feds aren't the only whiners here. You that choose to play KDF are without a doubt the most prolific whiners. All you DO is whine. You're fortunate that the KDF faction even exists, even though it isn't as fleshed-out as the Feds.

    Yes, Feds whine and Cryptic caves -- but Feds are 90% of the playerbase, and you know what that's politely referred to as? Catering to the demands of your biggest customers.

    thats because 100% of the playerbase is forced to play fed FIRST:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    cmdraftbrn wrote: »
    thats because 100% of the playerbase is forced to play fed FIRST:D

    I think its because most Trekkies relate to the federation more than they relate to the Klingons. They want to be starfleet captains. You know, the protagonists in all the shows and movies? ;)

    I sympathize with the KDF plight in this game. I really do. I think its awesome that there are dedicated klingon fans.

    But a lot of KDF posters need a heavy dose of realism. And learn to pick their battles.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Solution: Ferasan Escort Carrier
    Design: Ferasan
    Build: Same as Federation Armitage Class
    Special skill: Instead of the "fire torpedos at everybody" launcher, we have a console that allows to to beam large boarding parties that knock out random ship functions (shields, weapons, crew, etc).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Please understand *snip.

    There's a better chance of this game shutting down before the community understand anything!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    greedo42 wrote:
    I think its because most Trekkies relate to the federation more than they relate to the Klingons. They want to be starfleet captains. You know, the protagonists in all the shows and movies? ;)

    I sympathize with the KDF plight in this game. I really do. I think its awesome that there are dedicated klingon fans.

    But a lot of KDF posters need a heavy dose of realism. And learn to pick their battles.

    "I'll bet you have." *pew pew*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    BROKEN1981 wrote:
    sorry but i have to call bs on this. ships can effect pvp. just look at the fed carrier, the jem and the glador and dokora. and clearly this ship is the most op comming to pvp. awesome just what we all need. all tacts in the cat box are doing it wrong. but this ship......... epts 1 rsp epts3 or epts 1 epts 2 and dem 2. going to be awesomely op in pvp trust me.

    and dont forget to use a mk12 purple rcs

    He's an artist, and has no influence over the systems aspect of the ships that he is desigining. Before you "call bs", you may want to check your facts first.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Please understand I'm on the art side of things. I have no choice in powers at all.

    I do agree with you that ships do effect how PvP runs. I know that our PvP guy is hard at work on new systems. When that's at a point of completion, I'm pretty sure there will be some sort of balancing going on.

    I do have max level characters both Fed and KDF, although I haven't gotten into PvP. No mater what mmo it is wow, rift, swtor.....I have never gotten into PvP. Its just not my cup of tea. Id rather get a bunch of friends together and do some co-op.

    Just wow:(

    you see i don't blame you or your expertise. But this attitude that balance comes last after the new tech implementation goes from whiteboard to planning to what not stage that has gotten pvp into the mess it is in. When will you guys (ie Cryptic™) understand that we are playing the game now, and balance>everything else.

    Seriously WTF??
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Well I will say KDF have the best looking ships in the game, And I find it hard to be mad at the new ship which I always wanted in the game. Although from a balance perspective I am highly confused, where is it's flaw?

    That being said Marauders don't have a Flaw either and they are FDC's although a Cruiser is not already the best DPS in the game, and giving an Escort a wing or two of Fighters is a little overpowering. This thing pumps out the DPS of the MVAE and has Fighters.

    What I'm not so happy about is KDF getting left out in the cold, are we getting any new ships? Our +1 versions of the Qin, Hegh'tha and Negh'Var? I would love a new skin for each of our Tier 5 Classics too.

    And as for the concept of blaming one person in a team for every mistake or problem you see with the game is incredibly unfair, especially when he's just the guy responsible for the look of the game (and I do love the look).

    @ lcdrmiller0918 do you have any designs for the Lethans?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Honestly, when it comes to MMO pvp ( any mmo game) I have never been a huge fan. I love story driven content. I'd rather be immersed in the game rather than see whose guns are bigger.

    what pvp is there in STO none why I don't play pvp I am a huge fan of pve

    will see a true capture the flag
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Solution: Ferasan Escort Carrier
    Design: Ferasan
    Build: Same as Federation Armitage Class
    Special skill: Instead of the "fire torpedos at everybody" launcher, we have a console that allows to to beam large boarding parties that knock out random ship functions (shields, weapons, crew, etc).

    YES PLEASE!

    Ferasan Shadowcat's want their own ship, the Klingon ship's smell awful.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    SkeeterUK wrote: »
    Shame that the new akira will be a carrier as i was talking to a friend and we agree it is op and the carrier part of it shouldn't be on this at all.

    If they didn't slap a hangar on this thing it wouldn't be significantly different than existing escorts, as a console alone doesn't really mean much. But I suppose that's what refits/retrofits are for, so nevermind I guess?


    In any case I want to see this on the KDF side, too. Regardless of what I may or may not think about the ship's layout it seems kind of ****** that our one-hangar option is a star cruiser that has no hopes of matching this DPS and maneuverability. (though I definitely like healing and tanking in it, so I'm not saying it's a boring ship or anything)


    Hell you could even make this escort support with Extend Shields and the shield healing drones or whatever. Or dump EWP on folks as you tear them apart. Sheesh, I kind of wish I hadn't spent my dilithium on costumes...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I'm guessing the federation will get the B'rel retrofit before we get an escort carrier.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Alecto wrote: »
    YES PLEASE!

    Ferasan Shadowcat's want their own ship, the Klingon ship's smell awful.

    Yeah... sort of... earthy, peaty aroma. With a touch of lilac.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    My fed will be sticking with the fleet escort most likely and the boff layout is off putting to me. I'll just wait for that Andorian Escort they were talkin about and hope that one has a boff layout I can like.

    As for bops, hell ya, the lower tier ones are amazing to look at, the LG skins are just plain and outdated by comparison. At least give us a cstore skin guys!:(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Alecto wrote: »
    YES PLEASE!

    Ferasan Shadowcat's want their own ship, the Klingon ship's smell awful.

    I would love a Ferasan sci ship that maneuvers like an intrepid. There aren't enough decent sci KDF ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I'm a HUGE fan of the KDF. My main is KDF. When ever I get a chance top push for anything KDF....believe me I WILL !!

    Sorry boss we've heard that line from both Jack Emmert and Daniel Stahl. :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I'm a HUGE fan of the KDF. My main is KDF. When ever I get a chance top push for anything KDF....believe me I WILL !!

    What you have to do is convince your bosses and the higher ups that it's worth Cryptic's time to make more for the KDF. I'm sure they have no problem when it comes to Feds because they know the revenue will be there just from size of the faction. That's why they got Carriers and T5 Akira... they know those will be sure sales to a large # of people.

    Personally, I'd love to see a Multi-Vector Assault Raptor for the KDF. I'm happy with the Kar'fi but I have to say a Ferasan Tactical Carrier to counter the T5 Akira sounds awesome.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    ... I feel my ability to argue any point KDF-side is a little diminished due to my favourite Fed ship getting included as a T-5 refit (and not at all disappointing, all things considered... at first glance maybe even too powerful).

    Still, as shiny a ship as it is, what new content would I fly that thing in that would make the purchase worthwhile? If it's just PvP, then ... well, I have a slew of KDF ships already to choose from.

    -J
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    ... I feel my ability to argue any point KDF-side is a little diminished due to my favourite Fed ship getting included as a T-5 refit (and not at all disappointing, all things considered... at first glance maybe even too powerful).

    Still, as shiny a ship as it is, what new content would I fly that thing in that would make the purchase worthwhile? If it's just PvP, then ... well, I have a slew of KDF ships already to choose from.

    -J

    Lockboxes and C-Store shinies with no new missions or STFs to use them on is like Mel Brooks handing out those ball paddles in Blazing Saddles: "Give these out to the boys in lieu of pay."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    can anyone speculate on what the next shiny toy Starfleet will get?

    a BoP? phase cloaked sci vessel? t6 hero cruiser?

    the suspense is killing me!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    A white washed T6 Hegh'tah with a transphisc battle cloak and a console that shuts down all KDF engines for 90 seconds.
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