It's not overpowered, but it definitely has high DPS thats only inferior to Escorts.
Today, I was doing the Klingon Scout Force Daily in my Sovereign and started from the beginning, halfway through, someone in an Excelsior came in with his fleet. I ended up in Second (first was a fleet escort, go figure. :rolleyes:) but the Excelsior got third.
If the Excelsior has that kind of DPS then Cryptic has some explaining to do. It all the more confirms that the Excelsior is a game-changing ship that they promised never would be put in the C-store.
I can´t say anything about the EX being op, but i agree on the game-changing part. I hope they get around to change the existing ships soon, not in "the next several months".
The problem is ... the ship with the better stats is the one sold for RL dollars on the C-Store.
True it has slightly better stats than the Sov. And I agree it should be vise versa between the two. Still, we are looking at Cryptic to overhaul and tweak each ships builds to follow suit of what the excelsior already represents. So in the end I would say that it will eventually come to a balance as far as ship load outs and slot skills. We just have to give them time on that end.
As far as PvP, well, the klings still know how to take me down as much as I do them. Trust me when I say, in an Excelsior all you really have is a bullseye painted on ya. 4 on 1 in PvP no matter how unbalanced the ship might seem, still gets it's hind end blown off rather easily.
This fad will die down and Cryptic will come out with the next weeks big thing and I'm sure we'll be cussing about that as well.
I am impressed with the way the ship handles, and it is a welcome change to the line up. However that doesn't make it any more agreeable to have such a thing before everything is caught up with the rest in game.
Im sure cryptic has their reasons, doesn't mean we have to like it.
First off, as paying customers we have every right to post our opinions on the forums.
Ok, first let me enlighten you in the differences..
You are a paying customer. This means you purchase the goods provided by said company. It is your right to either purchase them, return them (if said policy exist) and enjoy them for your personal enjoyment. (see TOS for more defined legal explaination of this is too simplistic for you.) You are NOT a member of their Board of Directors, Dev, nor CBS. As such you do not have any "right" to decide what is put in this game, only the right if you will keep paying for it or not. Understand Cryptic will listen and let the majority of folks to help add content to this game as they do wish to keep generating revenue with new things/items (this ship being one of them, and if I mem right it won the adding pole in a LANDSLIDE victory), the only "right" you have is to 1. purchase it, 2. not purchase it.
THese boards are provided by said company as NOT part of the game service, but to all them, (not us) access to ask questions, gather feedback, and help improve their (notice T H E I R) product. No where does it state, that I have found, they are bound legally to allow disrespectful comments, complaints, or rudeness on their forums.
And if you are so tired of hearing people complain, why are you still in this thread, if you don't like it, leave. I'm sick and tired off that every time someone has a problem or someone has an issue, it automatically gets filled with people like you screaming "Leave!" I have no problem with people posting their issues and anger over this game. They put money into this product and are allowed to speak of it as they feel, as long as it doesn't violate the forum rules.
And for someone, who keeps spouting about unbiased proof and peoples opinions, you sure do think yours is fact. The difference between discussion and trash talking is solely based on who is defining it, it is a personal opinion on your part.
Nods, that is cool, everyone has a view. hey thanks for sharing yours . Again, you dont like what I post, dont read it. NEXT.
As for evidence, though I am quite sure they did mention they would only put cosmetic items in game originally they did say this : http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=23174
Which is why I have mostly been upset about the C-Store.
and after reading that, they have done a good job keeping to it. Only in your opinion and not the majority have they done this, but since you as well provide no data to back up the claims being made *shrugs* that speaks for itself.
He's already getting data. There's posts of people winning Fleet Actions in this thing. And doing great in PVP. And so on and so forth.
Two of the most vocal pro-excelsior T5 posters, after having drawn out discussions, have both admitted that one of the reasons they state this ship is not OP it's just "different" is because they bought it. Most likely they don't want it nerfed or whatever. But that won't happen. It's a c-store ship. No nerfs once money is paid.
Thing is ... this ship is better at being an assault cruiser than an assault cruiser. And the data in-game right now shows this.
Telling AC captains that they can tank a little better ... is illogical. Neither ship is designed to tank. They're both the offense end of the cruiser pool. And the one you pay money for is superior.
The play in-game reflects this. And Azurian has a point. The assault cruiser is now marginalized by something people can pay real life money for.
Both of those are because of your skill point allocation. The Excelsior has the exact same BASE HULL as any other T5 cruiser. So if you have more hull, it's because your fleetmate didn't put points into an admiral level skill to boost its hull.
And the turn radius again ... is because of skill points or equipment layout.
The base stats are better on the excelsior. It turns better. And has the exact same hull. And has better DPS potential.
I'm a little disconcerted that you'd bring up hull, since it's already been widely shown that the T5 Excelsior has 39k base hull like every other cruiser.
Hmm i will go back and question rick on the hull points, Now, no azurian doesnt have a point. VICTORY275 below states clearly why.
And no, he ran the same skills, he is literally my twin in skils and for test purposes we ran the same consoles and even weapons. You should know better then that. Both ships were identical.
So you took the base stats of the game and then compared it to the AC?
No offense, but I suspected that because it seems that most of the people who don't find it overpowered are those who bought it, so, somewhat biased.
nope, i do not owned it. as with most new things,
1. people limit their minds and thus prejudge it.
2. I find most times, and I am finding in this case, its the skill of the player, not the ship.
First he isn't getting data before posting. He posted after a single PvP match. I mean the thing was barely out before he started several threads shouting that the Ex is OP. An then another guy agreed and says its OP because he got the second highest DPS in a single match with the Ex. That does not equal "doing great in PvP. I can do great in my Gal-R and AC as can so many others. Winning fleet actions, pft, I've done that countless times in my AC, largely because I never died and as a tac had some decent offensive powers. He also said something about seeing a BOP get one-shot'd by an Ex... I one shot'd a player BOP last week with BO2. I can win in Kerrat too even with 5 defiant refits in there with me. All this to say so what... other can and have been doing it in other crafts.
Secondly if you are referencing me in your post, let it be known I posted before I bought it and because this guy was spamming OP TRIBBLE all over the forums after a single match. I'm not biased... as I said before I bought the Ex because she is a beautiful ship. His assessments have been biased at best. I posted because I thought what he was doing was wrong and unfair to the Ex captains, the game, and Cryptic. This guy has a record of crying for nerfs and whining in general, and cries for nerfs have a proven track record here. I have been getting very frustrated with all the cries for nerfs in this game.
Also, I was honest and said I bought one... on Friday. You say "admitted they bought it" like it's a bad thing. I also said I always planned on flying this ship too, long before the layout was released. But I never said or eluded that part of my reasoning it isn't OP is because I bought it. I think all my posts stand for themselves that I have been fair and balanced on this entire issue. The fact that it is C-Store only item sucks. But that's just how it is right now. I try to look at it like it's money helping this game through its development at this early stage.
So Victory knows what I knew, Azurian went off half cocked, and began all of this before doing any data.
Now you want some decent data I have seen posted NinjaBoy has given his view (notice his iew only) to the best PVP defensive and offensive crusiers.
Excel does well in one, comes in DEAD last in the other, best ranking in HIS opinion? its a possible 2 more a solid 3. the worse was the G(x), the best offense overall G(r). the best defense overall Star Cruiser. Even though Ninja and I dont see eye to eye on some things he has posted and I have posted, he has a pretty good review there, I recommend reading it.
The relevant issue here is not whether the Excelsior is the greatest cruiser, but rather that it is beyond question a significant gameplay option that is only available for cash.
I think the 'quick' fix here is to add an in-game ship with the same configuration. Then let people who want the Excelsior for the looks buy it for that.
The relevant issue here is not whether the Excelsior is the greatest cruiser, but rather that it is beyond question a significant gameplay option that is only available for cash.
I think the 'quick' fix here is to add an in-game ship with the same configuration. Then let people who want the Excelsior for the looks buy it for that.
Full disclosure: Yes, I bought one and it rocks.
They should just make skins for ship configurations. Want your Assault Cruiser to look like an Excelsior ? Use the skin. It could be so easy and nice.
I can´t say anything about the EX being op, but i agree on the game-changing part. I hope they get around to change the existing ships soon, not in "the next several months".
Define "game changing" in what way?
Reason I ask is for clarification. understand all we all have is these words and these forums which sometimes, we just cant convey what we are trying to express well to each other. Sometimes my writings look more blunt then what I intend them to be, but oh well.
Now, can you elaborate on "game changing" understand all new things to a game CAN be called "game changing". Some have even called the excel a "Tac captain" cruiser. but so to could the shard of kayless, or the cryo grenade, even the Mrk XI and XII weapons.
Any of those can also be game changing. One of my personal concerns is that we are picking one little thing and stating "this is over powered", when in truth its simplya different tool.
Some startling evidence, jsut to support prob what Ninja ranked the Excell as the worst surviveable cruiser, is that I have notice it seems to take 15% +/- more damage from weapons fire to its hull. some times more, sometimes less, prob so its not equal to a sov, (and yes you can tank with a sov if you know what you are doing, is it as good as a SC? that is a matter of player skill and opinion)
hmm its looking more like a touch more squishy cruiser. Hmm some interesting numbers. I will look more into this before coming to a conclusion.
and for the record, no i do not own one, and wont, its not what I voted for, I voted for the nebula, and also for the CRYPTIC Klink variant.
Well, it´s the only ship featuring a lt.com. BO slot for it´s secondary specialisation. Maybe game-changing is not the right term, but currently there is no other ship that has that available.
As far as PvP, well, the klings still know how to take me down as much as I do them. Trust me when I say, in an Excelsior all you really have is a bullseye painted on ya. 4 on 1 in PvP no matter how unbalanced the ship might seem, still gets it's hind end blown off rather easily.
This fad will die down and Cryptic will come out with the next weeks big thing and I'm sure we'll be cussing about that as well.
I am impressed with the way the ship handles, and it is a welcome change to the line up. However that doesn't make it any more agreeable to have such a thing before everything is caught up with the rest in game.
Im sure cryptic has their reasons, doesn't mean we have to like it.
Very true, while some things I dont agree with that they done, you nailed it Castogere. lol *thumbs up*
while This isnt the first time cyptic has lied to the subscriber this is what the game is. The ship is a bit unbalance but thats because you guys keep thinking the soverign is a ship. Its not. its a skin. The retrofits will always beat out the regular T5 ships because the regular t5 ships are skins with no changing stats.
the assult cruiser is a powerful ship and to say that a smaller ship in the same catagory can beat it out is crazy. even if you gave both ships the same equipment. something is not right.
for instance no way the excelsior has 50 crew less then the assult cruiser. those numbers do matter and are wrong.
no way i would be able to have a Lt Cmdr on a excelsior and not on a soverign or rather assult cruiser. the very idea is insulting to say the least.
I could go on but the proof is in the puding and while some of you feel its not the ship well to you i say you dont understand ship mechanics in this game.
Lets be clear, the soverign is not the soverign. It is just a skin. its the assult cruiser tier that is getting the shaft in BO chairs and cew compliment as well as abilities in turn rates. I most certainly do not feel or understand how a refit of this caliber can beat a galaxy class starship.
Just remove the level restrictions on all in-game ships and give them all basically the same stats regarding hull / BO positions / whatever...that way people can fly whatever they want and be happy happy joy joy...
I'm fairly certain in any of the TV series the Captain didnt need to be level 51 to pilot any ship...LOL
Ok, first let me enlighten you in the differences..
You are a paying customer. This means you purchase the goods provided by said company. It is your right to either purchase them, return them (if said policy exist) and enjoy them for your personal enjoyment. (see TOS for more defined legal explaination of this is too simplistic for you.) You are NOT a member of their Board of Directors, Dev, nor CBS. As such you do not have any "right" to decide what is put in this game, only the right if you will keep paying for it or not. Understand Cryptic will listen and let the majority of folks to help add content to this game as they do wish to keep generating revenue with new things/items (this ship being one of them, and if I mem right it won the adding pole in a LANDSLIDE victory), the only "right" you have is to 1. purchase it, 2. not purchase it.
THese boards are provided by said company as NOT part of the game service, but to all them, (not us) access to ask questions, gather feedback, and help improve their (notice T H E I R) product. No where does it state, that I have found, they are bound legally to allow disrespectful comments, complaints, or rudeness on their forums.
Unfortunately, as long as people aren't violating the Forum Rules, Cryptic can't do anything legally.
You should understand that not every comment that isn't praising the game, is "disrespectful or complaining"
By the way, I have a right to post my opinion on game matters as long as it doesn't violate forum rules.
and after reading that, they have done a good job keeping to it. Only in your opinion and not the majority have they done this, but since you as well provide no data to back up the claims being made *shrugs* that speaks for itself.
So where can if find these game changing items in game?
nope, i do not owned it. as with most new things,
1. people limit their minds and thus prejudge it.
2. I find most times, and I am finding in this case, its the skill of the player, not the ship.
So by your own admission, having not done any research or data collecting of your won, you have been lecturing others on not doing that. That really helps people take you seriously.
The relevant issue here is not whether the Excelsior is the greatest cruiser, but rather that it is beyond question a significant gameplay option that is only available for cash.
I think the 'quick' fix here is to add an in-game ship with the same configuration. Then let people who want the Excelsior for the looks buy it for that.
This, a thousand times.
People are (understandably) getting bogged down in side issues. Whether the Excelsior is OP or not, whether it's "dominating PvP" or not, the fact remains: Excelsior offers a significantly different build option for cruisers, and it's only available for RL cash.
If it were just a reskin of an existing ship, or if Excelsior were also available through in-game means (even excrutiatingly time-consuming in-game means), fewer people would be complaining.
What's interesting to me is that Atari apparently didn't think Excelsior would sell well enough (or for a high enough price) as a simple reskin -- even despite the widespread requests for it. They had to muck with game mechanics, which you may not mind in this instance, but what if we're seeing the beginning of a trend here? C-Store was not advertised as gameplay-altering.
Is it fair to say that the C-Store has become the "Power Player's" mall? Is it fair to assume this is another baby step toward F2P? Could the Excelsior and the Gal-X be the harbingers of a new era?
Think about it for a moment. Gal-X came out. A significant portion of the game population bought one. People like Squidhead Jax cried foul. Refits hit about a month later. The Gal-X in many ways was the herald call of the Gal-R, Int-R, and Def-R. Ships with special traits like the spinal phaser, hull separation, cloak and ablative armor.
Now the Excelsior hits. People like Azurian cry foul. DStahl says that the ship powers guy likes the Excelsior's Bo loadout and is looking into updating the existing tier 5's to the Excelsior's BO loadout. While it is far too soon to say there is a pattern to C-Store ships Stahl implied that there is.
The only disturbing trend I see here is that so far each harbinger ship is a cruiser. Two out of three implies a pattern. Of the two C-Store super ships both have been cruisers. The Science Vessel and Escort fans could use a little love.
Oh and the price is still too high for RL money.
In disclosure, yes I have the Gal-X, no I do not have the Excelsior. I'm waiting on the TOS Constitution refit and the NX-01.
Is it fair to say that the C-Store has become the "Power Player's" mall? Is it fair to assume this is another baby step toward F2P? Could the Excelsior and the Gal-X be the harbingers of a new era?
When it was just the Galaxy X, because of it's horrible stats (cannons on a ship that can't turn? ugh) ... I thought it was gonna stay in check.
But now with the excelsior and the nebula coming soon ... I'm seeing what Squidhead was saying so much clearer now.
When it was just the Galaxy X, because of it's horrible stats (cannons on a ship that can't turn? ugh) ... I thought it was gonna stay in check.
But now with the excelsior and the nebula coming soon ... I'm seeing what Squidhead was saying so much clearer now.
Trust me superchum I am in no way trying to down play your's, Azurian's or Squidhead's concerns. It is possible that the refits were a response to the forum fires that the Gal-X generated. It is this reason we should voice our concerns.
The C-Store should never be a place where lazy players can buy an edge on those who study and refine their game. Despite how hard I still get my tail kicked in PvP I believe this to be true. The best items should be found, with considerable effort, in game not in a online store.
I only wanted to communicate, to others more than you as you tend to be more level headed than I, that now is the time to watch. If in a couple months the free ships have not caught up to the C-Store ships, like the Excelsior, I will be next to you with an accelerant coated torch in one hand and a Bic lighter in the other.
People are (understandably) getting bogged down in side issues. Whether the Excelsior is OP or not, whether it's "dominating PvP" or not, the fact remains: Excelsior offers a significantly different build option for cruisers, and it's only available for RL cash.
Yes, I think that's really the point that I am wondering about. I don't think the Excelsior is more powerful, or if it is, it shouldn't be and that's a problem in balancing the powers within the game. (And also, if we are talking fleet actions, a question on how the scording works.)
Question is - do we want that the C-Store gives us opportunities for mechanical builds that can'T be had in any other way? And that question is actually older than the Excelsior. It started with the first races with unique racial abilties in this game that were available on C-Store.
I think dstahl et.al has to work together with marketing or finances or whoever is responsible and make a decision, and make it public. I would prefer the decision to be something along these lines:
- No item in C-Store will give you more power (within the usual limitations that the game powers are not perfectly balanced to begin with and some builds might be advantageous - until the next balance patch at least.)
- All items in C-Store can be acquired by in-game methods. Even if that in-game method of acquring an Excelsior is grinding Dailies for Merits or Emblems for 3 months, there has to be a way to do this.
I think the easiest way to implement the latter would be to just have Emblems worth a certain number of C-Store points.
600 CP for unlocking on JUST ONE character . . . i mean cmon, not many people want a new ship so they can fly it with all their characters . . . but the C-Store ships get offered as "Account Wide" as if that is some kinda gift to the player when it's really just another rip-off (hey, it's for ALL your characters so we gotta charge ya alot, k . . .)
600 CP for unlocking on JUST ONE character . . . i mean cmon, not many people want a new ship so they can fly it with all their characters . . . but the C-Store ships get offered as "Account Wide" as if that is some kinda gift to the player when it's really just another rip-off (hey, it's for ALL your characters so we gotta charge ya justa little more, k . . .)
Well people asked for "account-wide" options fo rother stuff. Stuff that is probably actually costing Cryptic more when all your characters have it... (Thinks like BO slots, Costume Slots, Ship Slots).
Well people asked for "account-wide" options fo rother stuff. Stuff that is probably actually costing Cryptic more when all your characters have it... (Thinks like BO slots, Costume Slots, Ship Slots).
and all thoses things that customers asked to be "Account Wide" (BOFF slots AREN'T account wide by the way) are actually benficial to the player as an "Account Wide" purchase.
As an ONLY "Account Wide" option, new ships are overpriced for a feature that not all customers actually place any value on.
I, for one, would have bought the Excelsior if it had a "One Character Only" option at a reasonable price (as well as any other new ships that end up the C-Store exclusively).
Its not the poorest MMO, but there are some problems...
At first, a positiv remark: Walking on the ship - 1. release, just walking, cannot control anything, loading different areas - is possible. This feature don't make any sense at the time, but it's a good fundation for new contents.
1. (The old MMO system) Cryptic released STO in the WoW like form. Lot of skills, item grinding.
2. (Low development costs) All the nice ideas not implemented. Like control the ship inside, do the ST specific things, Romulans, Ferengi, maybe Borg and Cardasia ist not playable. As a replacement, Cryptic released starfleet command + worser elite force version in one game. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8595873179664580102#docid=-4640074216151980063
(German)
3. (Game not finished) You know.
4 (Big item shop, very much work , nice) Put the unfinished content in the item shop, cool idea! But there is a byeffect, where are the lot of player? Item shop for an MMO is one of the biggest fault!
5 (Poor content) You know, but no rescue, the game is gonna to a oneway game play.
6 (Klingons quick hack) Story line missing. Just PvP is fun.
7 (result, hardly enough player online) Maybe 10-40 online ? That's my feeling.
8 (high subscription costs in europe) 15 euro, for what ?
Cryptic, you said you wouldn't put any game changing things in the C-Store and the T5 Excelsior is already doing just that. It's easily dominating in PvP.
And at the same time, you completely made a mockery of the Sovereign and all the players who Captain her.
Well... Im going to disagree. Ships that I have used to destroy an excelsior at T5.
In fact I have not been killed by an Excelsior except when running challenges with my fleet for training.
It isnt OP. I tried using it and found it lacking unless I was an Engineer. It goes down really fast for a cruiser. The good pvper can drop it really fast. It isnt a threat like the Galaxy Refit or the Star Cruiser is in pvp. At least in the right hands.
Its not a game changing purchase. Its something that if you really like the Excelsior you can buy it.
Beam Overload 3 is over rated too. It failed to penetrate my Covariant Capx2 and the 35% shield capacity console science ship shields.
Its just a matter of adapting to the game play of the Excelsior.
Unfortunately, as long as people aren't violating the Forum Rules, Cryptic can't do anything legally.
You should understand that not every comment that isn't praising the game, is "disrespectful or complaining"
By the way, I have a right to post my opinion on game matters as long as it doesn't violate forum rules.
Seems like you should take your own advice and move on. NEXT.:)
So where can if find these game changing items in game?
So by your own admission, having not done any research or data collecting of your won, you have been lecturing others on not doing that. That really helps people take you seriously.
You make this too easy, and where did you see stated I have not done any research or data? oh wait, you didnt. I have this info gathered, just not sharing it here on this thread.
You have not been paying attention, as data I have been discussing other forums with those with their own data, you can look for them yourself since I dont accomodate lacadaciousness. Which is all you have done just in the above posts along with other posts.
You opinion is good, and its great you have one, but beyond that you have the ability to post what you think of the game on the forum, Cryptic has the right to change/alter/remove. You will find that under the Terms of Service, please familiarize yourself with it or not if you wish. In public you can spout what you like and dislike all you like, go for it. This isnt public, its a private forum owned by Cryptic.
Far as your personal opinon of me, your a big lad, you will survive and get over it
Now, if you want to look around at legitimate discussions where we are talking stats and info, you will find that data. Yes, you can do the leg work yourself, be good for you, builds character. This thread isnt about that , it was a slanderous knee jerk reaction not well thought out by the original poster, who while I can understand his frustration, went about it in a incorrect way presenting incorrect or no info of his claim at all. He has done this in several locations, in an attempt to just start TRIBBLE. Much like yourself, which is cool if you wish to do that, just dont expect a friendly reception anymore as myself and seems several others are calling folks out on it.
Now this will be the last posting I do in this thread, or to you if you reply back, which if you do will be just as hillarous to read for some. I have moved to the forums where we are actually discussing the ships powers and abilities.
What? Excelsior is overpowered? Uhm... check your skills... they probably need a proper update to work with Season 2
Actually the Excelsior feels like its the weakest from all Cruiser. I have more problems bringing an Emissary Class down then a sloppy Excelsior Class...
Heck I even soloed one in PvP last night, and I dont deal good damage with my ship as I am skilled for tackle and heal.
I agree fully that the excelsior is not OP.... I ran one for a a little while and came to the conclusion that the assault cruiser (sovereign) is so much more equipped to deal damage... with the excelsior I constantly would go in to cap and holds and hit around 1 million damage... after I got back in my assault cruiser I am usually around 1.5 mil and I also hit may all time record for dps in a cruiser... 1,998,365 made me so happy ! so the excelsior... not op'd I loved it while flying it but gimme my assault cruiser anyday! (tac in cruiser FTW)
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I can´t say anything about the EX being op, but i agree on the game-changing part. I hope they get around to change the existing ships soon, not in "the next several months".
True it has slightly better stats than the Sov. And I agree it should be vise versa between the two. Still, we are looking at Cryptic to overhaul and tweak each ships builds to follow suit of what the excelsior already represents. So in the end I would say that it will eventually come to a balance as far as ship load outs and slot skills. We just have to give them time on that end.
As far as PvP, well, the klings still know how to take me down as much as I do them. Trust me when I say, in an Excelsior all you really have is a bullseye painted on ya. 4 on 1 in PvP no matter how unbalanced the ship might seem, still gets it's hind end blown off rather easily.
This fad will die down and Cryptic will come out with the next weeks big thing and I'm sure we'll be cussing about that as well.
I am impressed with the way the ship handles, and it is a welcome change to the line up. However that doesn't make it any more agreeable to have such a thing before everything is caught up with the rest in game.
Im sure cryptic has their reasons, doesn't mean we have to like it.
You are a paying customer. This means you purchase the goods provided by said company. It is your right to either purchase them, return them (if said policy exist) and enjoy them for your personal enjoyment. (see TOS for more defined legal explaination of this is too simplistic for you.) You are NOT a member of their Board of Directors, Dev, nor CBS. As such you do not have any "right" to decide what is put in this game, only the right if you will keep paying for it or not. Understand Cryptic will listen and let the majority of folks to help add content to this game as they do wish to keep generating revenue with new things/items (this ship being one of them, and if I mem right it won the adding pole in a LANDSLIDE victory), the only "right" you have is to 1. purchase it, 2. not purchase it.
THese boards are provided by said company as NOT part of the game service, but to all them, (not us) access to ask questions, gather feedback, and help improve their (notice T H E I R) product. No where does it state, that I have found, they are bound legally to allow disrespectful comments, complaints, or rudeness on their forums. Nods, that is cool, everyone has a view. hey thanks for sharing yours
and after reading that, they have done a good job keeping to it. Only in your opinion and not the majority have they done this, but since you as well provide no data to back up the claims being made *shrugs* that speaks for itself. Hmm i will go back and question rick on the hull points, Now, no azurian doesnt have a point. VICTORY275 below states clearly why.
And no, he ran the same skills, he is literally my twin in skils and for test purposes we ran the same consoles and even weapons. You should know better then that. Both ships were identical. nope, i do not owned it. as with most new things,
1. people limit their minds and thus prejudge it.
2. I find most times, and I am finding in this case, its the skill of the player, not the ship. So Victory knows what I knew, Azurian went off half cocked, and began all of this before doing any data.
Now you want some decent data I have seen posted NinjaBoy has given his view (notice his iew only) to the best PVP defensive and offensive crusiers.
Excel does well in one, comes in DEAD last in the other, best ranking in HIS opinion? its a possible 2 more a solid 3. the worse was the G(x), the best offense overall G(r). the best defense overall Star Cruiser. Even though Ninja and I dont see eye to eye on some things he has posted and I have posted, he has a pretty good review there, I recommend reading it.
I think the 'quick' fix here is to add an in-game ship with the same configuration. Then let people who want the Excelsior for the looks buy it for that.
Full disclosure: Yes, I bought one and it rocks.
They should just make skins for ship configurations. Want your Assault Cruiser to look like an Excelsior ? Use the skin. It could be so easy and nice.
Define "game changing" in what way?
Reason I ask is for clarification. understand all we all have is these words and these forums which sometimes, we just cant convey what we are trying to express well to each other. Sometimes my writings look more blunt then what I intend them to be, but oh well.
Now, can you elaborate on "game changing" understand all new things to a game CAN be called "game changing". Some have even called the excel a "Tac captain" cruiser. but so to could the shard of kayless, or the cryo grenade, even the Mrk XI and XII weapons.
Any of those can also be game changing. One of my personal concerns is that we are picking one little thing and stating "this is over powered", when in truth its simplya different tool.
Some startling evidence, jsut to support prob what Ninja ranked the Excell as the worst surviveable cruiser, is that I have notice it seems to take 15% +/- more damage from weapons fire to its hull. some times more, sometimes less, prob so its not equal to a sov, (and yes you can tank with a sov if you know what you are doing, is it as good as a SC? that is a matter of player skill and opinion)
hmm its looking more like a touch more squishy cruiser. Hmm some interesting numbers. I will look more into this before coming to a conclusion.
and for the record, no i do not own one, and wont, its not what I voted for, I voted for the nebula, and also for the CRYPTIC Klink variant.
Well, it´s the only ship featuring a lt.com. BO slot for it´s secondary specialisation. Maybe game-changing is not the right term, but currently there is no other ship that has that available.
I've now read three separate threads complaining about PVP being over-flooded with cruisers, because of all the Excelsiors that have been bought.
The game. It's changed.
But that could simply be the "new shiny" factor. I remember the flood of Caitians, MU uniforms, Galaxy X and Retrofits when they were new.
Very true, while some things I dont agree with that they done, you nailed it Castogere. lol *thumbs up*
the assult cruiser is a powerful ship and to say that a smaller ship in the same catagory can beat it out is crazy. even if you gave both ships the same equipment. something is not right.
for instance no way the excelsior has 50 crew less then the assult cruiser. those numbers do matter and are wrong.
no way i would be able to have a Lt Cmdr on a excelsior and not on a soverign or rather assult cruiser. the very idea is insulting to say the least.
I could go on but the proof is in the puding and while some of you feel its not the ship well to you i say you dont understand ship mechanics in this game.
Lets be clear, the soverign is not the soverign. It is just a skin. its the assult cruiser tier that is getting the shaft in BO chairs and cew compliment as well as abilities in turn rates. I most certainly do not feel or understand how a refit of this caliber can beat a galaxy class starship.
I'm fairly certain in any of the TV series the Captain didnt need to be level 51 to pilot any ship...LOL
Unfortunately, as long as people aren't violating the Forum Rules, Cryptic can't do anything legally.
You should understand that not every comment that isn't praising the game, is "disrespectful or complaining"
By the way, I have a right to post my opinion on game matters as long as it doesn't violate forum rules.
Seems like you should take your own advice and move on. NEXT.:)
So where can if find these game changing items in game?
So by your own admission, having not done any research or data collecting of your won, you have been lecturing others on not doing that. That really helps people take you seriously.
This, a thousand times.
People are (understandably) getting bogged down in side issues. Whether the Excelsior is OP or not, whether it's "dominating PvP" or not, the fact remains: Excelsior offers a significantly different build option for cruisers, and it's only available for RL cash.
If it were just a reskin of an existing ship, or if Excelsior were also available through in-game means (even excrutiatingly time-consuming in-game means), fewer people would be complaining.
What's interesting to me is that Atari apparently didn't think Excelsior would sell well enough (or for a high enough price) as a simple reskin -- even despite the widespread requests for it. They had to muck with game mechanics, which you may not mind in this instance, but what if we're seeing the beginning of a trend here? C-Store was not advertised as gameplay-altering.
It's the principle of the thing here, dudes.
Think about it for a moment. Gal-X came out. A significant portion of the game population bought one. People like Squidhead Jax cried foul. Refits hit about a month later. The Gal-X in many ways was the herald call of the Gal-R, Int-R, and Def-R. Ships with special traits like the spinal phaser, hull separation, cloak and ablative armor.
Now the Excelsior hits. People like Azurian cry foul. DStahl says that the ship powers guy likes the Excelsior's Bo loadout and is looking into updating the existing tier 5's to the Excelsior's BO loadout. While it is far too soon to say there is a pattern to C-Store ships Stahl implied that there is.
The only disturbing trend I see here is that so far each harbinger ship is a cruiser. Two out of three implies a pattern. Of the two C-Store super ships both have been cruisers. The Science Vessel and Escort fans could use a little love.
Oh and the price is still too high for RL money.
In disclosure, yes I have the Gal-X, no I do not have the Excelsior. I'm waiting on the TOS Constitution refit and the NX-01.
When it was just the Galaxy X, because of it's horrible stats (cannons on a ship that can't turn? ugh) ... I thought it was gonna stay in check.
But now with the excelsior and the nebula coming soon ... I'm seeing what Squidhead was saying so much clearer now.
Trust me superchum I am in no way trying to down play your's, Azurian's or Squidhead's concerns. It is possible that the refits were a response to the forum fires that the Gal-X generated. It is this reason we should voice our concerns.
The C-Store should never be a place where lazy players can buy an edge on those who study and refine their game. Despite how hard I still get my tail kicked in PvP I believe this to be true. The best items should be found, with considerable effort, in game not in a online store.
I only wanted to communicate, to others more than you as you tend to be more level headed than I, that now is the time to watch. If in a couple months the free ships have not caught up to the C-Store ships, like the Excelsior, I will be next to you with an accelerant coated torch in one hand and a Bic lighter in the other.
Question is - do we want that the C-Store gives us opportunities for mechanical builds that can'T be had in any other way? And that question is actually older than the Excelsior. It started with the first races with unique racial abilties in this game that were available on C-Store.
I think dstahl et.al has to work together with marketing or finances or whoever is responsible and make a decision, and make it public. I would prefer the decision to be something along these lines:
- No item in C-Store will give you more power (within the usual limitations that the game powers are not perfectly balanced to begin with and some builds might be advantageous - until the next balance patch at least.)
- All items in C-Store can be acquired by in-game methods. Even if that in-game method of acquring an Excelsior is grinding Dailies for Merits or Emblems for 3 months, there has to be a way to do this.
I think the easiest way to implement the latter would be to just have Emblems worth a certain number of C-Store points.
600 CP for unlocking on JUST ONE character . . . i mean cmon, not many people want a new ship so they can fly it with all their characters . . . but the C-Store ships get offered as "Account Wide" as if that is some kinda gift to the player when it's really just another rip-off (hey, it's for ALL your characters so we gotta charge ya alot, k . . .)
Well people asked for "account-wide" options fo rother stuff. Stuff that is probably actually costing Cryptic more when all your characters have it... (Thinks like BO slots, Costume Slots, Ship Slots).
and all thoses things that customers asked to be "Account Wide" (BOFF slots AREN'T account wide by the way) are actually benficial to the player as an "Account Wide" purchase.
As an ONLY "Account Wide" option, new ships are overpriced for a feature that not all customers actually place any value on.
I, for one, would have bought the Excelsior if it had a "One Character Only" option at a reasonable price (as well as any other new ships that end up the C-Store exclusively).
U got me there!
At first, a positiv remark: Walking on the ship - 1. release, just walking, cannot control anything, loading different areas - is possible. This feature don't make any sense at the time, but it's a good fundation for new contents.
1. (The old MMO system) Cryptic released STO in the WoW like form. Lot of skills, item grinding.
2. (Low development costs) All the nice ideas not implemented. Like control the ship inside, do the ST specific things, Romulans, Ferengi, maybe Borg and Cardasia ist not playable. As a replacement, Cryptic released starfleet command + worser elite force version in one game.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8595873179664580102#docid=-4640074216151980063
(German)
3. (Game not finished) You know.
4 (Big item shop, very much work , nice) Put the unfinished content in the item shop, cool idea! But there is a byeffect, where are the lot of player? Item shop for an MMO is one of the biggest fault!
5 (Poor content) You know, but no rescue, the game is gonna to a oneway game play.
6 (Klingons quick hack) Story line missing. Just PvP is fun.
7 (result, hardly enough player online) Maybe 10-40 online ? That's my feeling.
8 (high subscription costs in europe) 15 euro, for what ?
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Well... Im going to disagree. Ships that I have used to destroy an excelsior at T5.
1- Galaxy Refit
2- Galaxy X
3- Intrepid Refit
4- Defiant Refit
5- Fleet Escort.
6- KDF Battle Cruiser
In fact I have not been killed by an Excelsior except when running challenges with my fleet for training.
It isnt OP. I tried using it and found it lacking unless I was an Engineer. It goes down really fast for a cruiser. The good pvper can drop it really fast. It isnt a threat like the Galaxy Refit or the Star Cruiser is in pvp. At least in the right hands.
Its not a game changing purchase. Its something that if you really like the Excelsior you can buy it.
Beam Overload 3 is over rated too. It failed to penetrate my Covariant Capx2 and the 35% shield capacity console science ship shields.
Its just a matter of adapting to the game play of the Excelsior.
What happens to it if you're an engineer?
You have not been paying attention, as data I have been discussing other forums with those with their own data, you can look for them yourself since I dont accomodate lacadaciousness. Which is all you have done just in the above posts along with other posts.
You opinion is good, and its great you have one, but beyond that you have the ability to post what you think of the game on the forum, Cryptic has the right to change/alter/remove. You will find that under the Terms of Service, please familiarize yourself with it or not if you wish. In public you can spout what you like and dislike all you like, go for it. This isnt public, its a private forum owned by Cryptic.
Far as your personal opinon of me, your a big lad, you will survive and get over it
Now, if you want to look around at legitimate discussions where we are talking stats and info, you will find that data. Yes, you can do the leg work yourself, be good for you, builds character. This thread isnt about that , it was a slanderous knee jerk reaction not well thought out by the original poster, who while I can understand his frustration, went about it in a incorrect way presenting incorrect or no info of his claim at all. He has done this in several locations, in an attempt to just start TRIBBLE. Much like yourself, which is cool if you wish to do that, just dont expect a friendly reception anymore as myself and seems several others are calling folks out on it.
Now this will be the last posting I do in this thread, or to you if you reply back, which if you do will be just as hillarous to read for some. I have moved to the forums where we are actually discussing the ships powers and abilities.
Actually the Excelsior feels like its the weakest from all Cruiser. I have more problems bringing an Emissary Class down then a sloppy Excelsior Class...
Heck I even soloed one in PvP last night, and I dont deal good damage with my ship as I am skilled for tackle and heal.
How? Explain how the Assault Cruiser is "more equipped" to deal damage.