Kronoso I was just like you. I defended cryptic in ways that ended in some bad blood between me and a few other forum members ( that is something I'm not proud of ) and it took one event to open my eyes. that event was the sale gate. what happened was they put the game on a super sale before the first month was over, and offered 90 days total to the game. many people saw it as a sign of doom, and that they were just doing a money grab. I saw it different. I saw it as a bad mistake in their marketing. what they were doing was causing fear in the community, and that was not good for the game. So I fought back on the forums, made a thread that turned in a threadnought, and started a PM campaign to Zinc. Cryptic did take some actions that I will not talk about, but those actions fueled the fires even more. it got to the point where they did change what they were doing. sadly at the time I was real bitter at marketing's actions, and I left the game for two, and a half months.
when I came back I started loving and enjoying the game again, but there was one thing I learned. always question the devs, and their actions by asking "is it in the best interest for the game?" if they do something you don't agree with then it is your duty to complain in a civilized manner. that is If you want this game to survive. Fact is we have a lot against us, and it will take the community to keep them on track.
one thing I applied to this game, and it may sound silly, but I do love Star Trek, and this game, is this saying.
Question with boldness all actions the devs do, praise the devs when they earn your praise, and scold the devs when they do wrong. ( 10 forum points if you know where the first three words are from )
it maybe a silly saying, but I don't want to see this game fail because it is really one of our last hope for a true Star Trek MMO, so I question everything they do, and I ask. Is it in the best interest for the game ?
( also I love this game, and even if I'm not a lifer I'm still going to be here for life. )
{ also sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes it is late and I didn't have time to double check my post. }
Now I'm off to bed.
edit one last thing. if they give us a way to earn C-store points in game, or if they give out these ships for free, and put their own remakes on those two ships in the C-store I will be back to fanboi status level 8. right now I'm at a level 5.6 on the fanboi meter ( interiors helped. )
I understand the finer points of what your saying but I also see the other posts besides what the good ones like yours. There are those that are being posted just to drag the game down. Like the other night I was on and people were talking in zone chat saying they hope this game fails and that once knights of the old republic comes ouot they were dropping this game to go play that anyways. Its that kind of mentality that I'm tired of dealing with. Why would you play this game and then purposely want this game to fail? I dunno what to think sometimes with all these different threads on the forums. Half of them are good and seem to have valid complaints and the other half seem to just take up space just to spread hate and be mean spirited to the people who work for cryptic and that only sends a message to them that its not worth their time interacting with their customer base.
As a European Customer I stopped trusting Cryptic after release. 1st the Collectors Edition was not as advertized, 2nd the game was not as advertized, 3rd there was no support to the game in my country at all.
YES shock. They have been doing that from day one. The big launch the big numbers. Well they added there Champions sales into that. It is nothing new and they have not change the new C-Store item of two extra slot for cloth well that two slot for the account on there Champions site for the same price.
Cryptic said both roper and jack both said cstore would only be used for cosmetic items.
Then suddenly we getting full ships and other stuff that causes ingame effects other then costumes and ships skin , now we got races ,ships , some special awards , buff pets next is prolly weapons .... and weapon slots and what not all to make a buck.
To me this only shows cryptic cant be trusted at all they will say one thing then when push comes to show and they find out they could make more they just go back on their word and disregard what they said and promised...
And before u go on about this is a company thats after making profit , its not about that its about consumer loyalty and thrust , how can a consumer trust anything they say any more?
Did they actually say this about STO? I remember them saying it about Champions which nothing game breaking has happened.
Did they actually say this about STO? I remember them saying it about Champions which nothing game breaking has happened.
The same things were said by Cryptic in STO's pre-launch complaint thread about microtransactions, yes. It's unfortunate that Cryptic has kept its promises in one game and not the other, though I suspect that it's because the CO community was less willing to let TRIBBLE fly past them.
So, does this mean you'll never be seen in the forums again or that you can't even follow your own logic?
What it means is you won't see me making these absolute statements in rant-filled threads about how you can or can't trust a business to look out for its business interests. I try to be a tad more flexible and reasonable and I'm too old to have all the angst of youth and all that energy to waste chasing windmills these days.
What it means is you won't see me making these absolute statements in rant-filled threads about how you can or can't trust a business to look out for its business interests. I try to be a tad more flexible and reasonable and I'm too old to have all the angst of youth and all that energy to waste chasing windmills these days.
What it means is you won't see me making these absolute statements in rant-filled threads about how you can or can't trust a business to look out for its business interests. I try to be a tad more flexible and reasonable and I'm too old to have all the angst of youth and all that energy to waste chasing windmills these days.
and you know what the people who run atari/cryptic won't shed a tear. Its their game their rules and they run it the way they want and they are in the business to make money not bow down to every little thing this person and that person wants. If they give in to this demand then they will have this fool wanting them to give in to this demand and then that demand and then the list goes on. At some point a fine line has to be drawn at where to give in to. And it seems that when Cryptic won't give in to a bunch of people in these threads people want to throw a fit and cry about quitting and how they will never buy another cryptic game or how they can never trust cryptic again because cryptic won't give in to their wishes.
And yet sometimes when people whine and cry, they do give in. (*cough* Pre-Order Exclusives *cough*), so it does work some of the time.
kinda funny how cryptic seems to evade this forum section maybe we should link post like this on game sites forums.... maybe they will get that a lot of us is really upset over this TRIBBLE.
kinda funny how cryptic seems to evade this forum section maybe we should link post like this on game sites forums.... maybe they will get that a lot of us is really upset over this TRIBBLE.
It's a double edged sword though. I agree with you that it would turn up the heat, but it would also drive a lot of potential business/players away as well. I marvel at the fact that the PTB just cannot dislodge the cranial unit from the rectal cavity and analyze the data that is directly in fromt of them.
It's a double edged sword though. I agree with you that it would turn up the heat, but it would also drive a lot of potential business/players away as well. I marvel at the fact that the PTB just cannot dislodge the cranial unit from the rectal cavity and analyze the data that is directly in fromt of them.
Yeah i kinda want the game to succseed to but it seems we need to kick cryptics rear end each time we want something done ... its like pulling out teeth to get an sensible answer about anything...
Take the new carrier for klingons it just shows how out of touch the devs are with the klingon player community . All this back and forth wait for 45 day patch then patch 1 then 1.2 then issue 2 etc all to string subs along . Kinda patetic then they try hide the discontent way down in some obscure location on the forums im amazed they dident hide the cstore forum under the other language forums ....... but yes im getting bitter i so want this game a TREK mmo to be what every trekker and scifi fan want , not a space shoot em up game.... with a huge micro transaction shop ...
I'd just like to say that when the C-store was first mentioned WAY back when I was for it. I didn't really see the harm in putting things in like uniforms or different races. Nothing too drastic, just some interesting things to help fund the game. I understand that MMO's are under a LOT of pressure to produce WoW-like numbers because that's pretty much the gold standard in the industry right now.
My biggest issue has been the very underhanded way Cryptic goes about doing business and how dishonest they've been. The things being added in the C-Store aren't cosmetic, they're actually pretty game breaking. Adding the Mirror Universe uniforms and the preorder bonuses were also very shady.
Now, I can't place all the blame on Cryptic. If players as a group didn't keep asking for these things and buying them, it wouldn't be so out of control. It's hard to cry foul about the how much is going into the store if 75% of the players are going to buy from it.
well they say a sucker is born every minute, and I'm like the rest of you I've used my points and got more.
Why? my own issues......
I do believe they gone a little to far with what they are charging there customers for and what should be given for free.
re spec capt abilities pay for..... emote khannnnn should be free... just one example..
I think had the game been better in all area's at release then this c store issues wouldn't have been as bad as it is now..
there sub base would be good so they wouldn't be trying to nickle and dime there customers they have now.
There trying to plug a thousand holes with ten fingers with a boat that's already in the water..
I think had the game been better in all area's at release then this c store issues wouldn't have been as bad as it is now..
I disagree. The game could have been 100 times better at release, but the C-Store complaints would still be getting posted anyways. They're not connected. People like the c-store until it offers up something they actually want, and then they complain about it. That's just the way it goes.
Cryptic can be a bit fickle at times, as can all gaming companies, but they are really trying to enhance he game. It's unpolished, it's prone to hate, and yes, it is a bit of a money-sponge, but just give it time or don't go on the C-Store at all. I don't care what you do. But please don't bash the executives, as that is how bans are put in place. It also ruins the game for the rest of us, we mighty few who think this game has some promise.
Cryptic said both roper and jack both said cstore would only be used for cosmetic items.
This is misquoting someone in order to prove your point Tarjan. I expect better of you. The actual quote states that the C-store will be mostly cosmetic items, and that items which have an in-game effect will be able to be earned in-game, or items in-game will have similar effects.
What we promised is that any item which does have an in-game effect will also have something of equal power available for free, in-game. We have not broken those promises yet, the refits of the Galaxy, Intrepid and Defiant, will be of equal power to the Galaxy X, which is the only item currently on the c-store which offers a major advantage.
Also, to add on to that, many players believe that the Galaxy X is not as powerful as other top of the line ships currently available in-game. So those players are also stating that there is not a balance problem due to items available on the C-Store.
kinda funny how cryptic seems to evade this forum section maybe we should link post like this on game sites forums.... maybe they will get that a lot of us is really upset over this TRIBBLE.
Quite the opposite actually. I read quite a bit in this forum specifically due to the amount of people that are upset with the C-Store. just because we don't post a reply to every thread doesn't mean we don't read it.
If I responded to every thread I read with "Stormshade was here," as proof that I had read the thread, would that actually contribute anything? The answer is no. So therefore, I remain silent on a great number of the threads I'm reading, and only chime in when I have something worthwhile to add to the conversation. Several members of the development team have similar habits.
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I thought you went to bed. * Pi does the Dramatic Spock just to see if he can cover a link with text * From what little I can know of you such a quote says to me you are a deep and introspective thinker.
I understand the finer points of what your saying but I also see the other posts besides what the good ones like yours. There are those that are being posted just to drag the game down. Like the other night I was on and people were talking in zone chat saying they hope this game fails and that once knights of the old republic comes ouot they were dropping this game to go play that anyways. Its that kind of mentality that I'm tired of dealing with. Why would you play this game and then purposely want this game to fail? I dunno what to think sometimes with all these different threads on the forums. Half of them are good and seem to have valid complaints and the other half seem to just take up space just to spread hate and be mean spirited to the people who work for cryptic and that only sends a message to them that its not worth their time interacting with their customer base.
Did they actually say this about STO? I remember them saying it about Champions which nothing game breaking has happened.
So, does this mean you'll never be seen in the forums again or that you can't even follow your own logic?
The same things were said by Cryptic in STO's pre-launch complaint thread about microtransactions, yes. It's unfortunate that Cryptic has kept its promises in one game and not the other, though I suspect that it's because the CO community was less willing to let TRIBBLE fly past them.
In the immortal words of Khan Noonien Singh, "Why are you here?" :rolleyes:
What it means is you won't see me making these absolute statements in rant-filled threads about how you can or can't trust a business to look out for its business interests. I try to be a tad more flexible and reasonable and I'm too old to have all the angst of youth and all that energy to waste chasing windmills these days.
How disappointing.
heh....
a post worthy of reading twice.
And yet sometimes when people whine and cry, they do give in. (*cough* Pre-Order Exclusives *cough*), so it does work some of the time.
It's a double edged sword though. I agree with you that it would turn up the heat, but it would also drive a lot of potential business/players away as well. I marvel at the fact that the PTB just cannot dislodge the cranial unit from the rectal cavity and analyze the data that is directly in fromt of them.
Yeah i kinda want the game to succseed to but it seems we need to kick cryptics rear end each time we want something done ... its like pulling out teeth to get an sensible answer about anything...
Take the new carrier for klingons it just shows how out of touch the devs are with the klingon player community . All this back and forth wait for 45 day patch then patch 1 then 1.2 then issue 2 etc all to string subs along . Kinda patetic then they try hide the discontent way down in some obscure location on the forums im amazed they dident hide the cstore forum under the other language forums ....... but yes im getting bitter i so want this game a TREK mmo to be what every trekker and scifi fan want , not a space shoot em up game.... with a huge micro transaction shop ...
My biggest issue has been the very underhanded way Cryptic goes about doing business and how dishonest they've been. The things being added in the C-Store aren't cosmetic, they're actually pretty game breaking. Adding the Mirror Universe uniforms and the preorder bonuses were also very shady.
Now, I can't place all the blame on Cryptic. If players as a group didn't keep asking for these things and buying them, it wouldn't be so out of control. It's hard to cry foul about the how much is going into the store if 75% of the players are going to buy from it.
Why? my own issues......
I do believe they gone a little to far with what they are charging there customers for and what should be given for free.
re spec capt abilities pay for..... emote khannnnn should be free... just one example..
I think had the game been better in all area's at release then this c store issues wouldn't have been as bad as it is now..
there sub base would be good so they wouldn't be trying to nickle and dime there customers they have now.
There trying to plug a thousand holes with ten fingers with a boat that's already in the water..
I disagree. The game could have been 100 times better at release, but the C-Store complaints would still be getting posted anyways. They're not connected. People like the c-store until it offers up something they actually want, and then they complain about it. That's just the way it goes.
Cryptic can be a bit fickle at times, as can all gaming companies, but they are really trying to enhance he game. It's unpolished, it's prone to hate, and yes, it is a bit of a money-sponge, but just give it time or don't go on the C-Store at all. I don't care what you do. But please don't bash the executives, as that is how bans are put in place. It also ruins the game for the rest of us, we mighty few who think this game has some promise.
This is misquoting someone in order to prove your point Tarjan. I expect better of you. The actual quote states that the C-store will be mostly cosmetic items, and that items which have an in-game effect will be able to be earned in-game, or items in-game will have similar effects.
What we promised is that any item which does have an in-game effect will also have something of equal power available for free, in-game. We have not broken those promises yet, the refits of the Galaxy, Intrepid and Defiant, will be of equal power to the Galaxy X, which is the only item currently on the c-store which offers a major advantage.
Also, to add on to that, many players believe that the Galaxy X is not as powerful as other top of the line ships currently available in-game. So those players are also stating that there is not a balance problem due to items available on the C-Store.
Quite the opposite actually. I read quite a bit in this forum specifically due to the amount of people that are upset with the C-Store. just because we don't post a reply to every thread doesn't mean we don't read it.
If I responded to every thread I read with "Stormshade was here," as proof that I had read the thread, would that actually contribute anything? The answer is no. So therefore, I remain silent on a great number of the threads I'm reading, and only chime in when I have something worthwhile to add to the conversation. Several members of the development team have similar habits.
I agree. Which is why this thread is now closed.