and you know what the people who run atari/cryptic won't shed a tear. Its their game their rules and they run it the way they want and they are in the business to make money not bow down to every little thing this person and that person wants. If they give in to this demand then they will have this fool wanting them to give in to this demand and then that demand and then the list goes on. At some point a fine line has to be drawn at where to give in to. And it seems that when Cryptic won't give in to a bunch of people in these threads people want to throw a fit and cry about quitting and how they will never buy another cryptic game or how they can never trust cryptic again because cryptic won't give in to their wishes.
They're breaking promises that they made in clear language and when called on it weaseling away with stretching the meanings of words rather than having even the decency to say it straight that they changed their minds.
That the gameplay is also mediocre in the best cases and they're charging industry-leading premiums beyond that on their broken promises just takes it from offensive to ludicrous.
You're right, Cryptic/Atari probably won't miss me in particular. I find myself wondering exactly when they're going to realize they should start missing people, seeing as the population just keeps bleeding off.
They're breaking promises that they made in clear language and when called on it weaseling away with stretching the meanings of words rather than having even the decency to say it straight that they changed their minds.
That the gameplay is also mediocre in the best cases and they're charging industry-leading premiums beyond that on their broken promises just takes it from offensive to ludicrous.
You're right, Cryptic/Atari probably won't miss me in particular. I find myself wondering exactly when they're going to realize they should start missing people, seeing as the population just keeps bleeding off.
you know what why dont' all video game companies that make mmos just go ahead and shut down and just go back to making completely single player offline games that way everyone will be happy. It is completely obvious and history has taught us obviously that when you get a crowd together over the internet people thrive on making one another miserable and if they cant' be happy and enjoy a game like star trek they don't want anyone else to enjoy it either.
you know what why dont' all video game companies that make mmos just go ahead and shut down and just go back to making completely single player offline games that way everyone will be happy. It is completely obvious and history has taught us obviously that when you get a crowd together over the internet people thrive on making one another miserable and if they cant' be happy and enjoy a game like star trek they don't want anyone else to enjoy it either.
You're damn right I'm not happy. I'm not happy about being lied to. I'm even more unhappy that, because I believed the lie, I wasted words defending it. So no, I don't think anyone should be happy with Cryptic right now, but some people apparently think that companies should be exempt from even the most basic ethical concerns like "don't lie" in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.
You're damn right I'm not happy. I'm not happy about being lied to. I'm even more unhappy that, because I believed the lie, I wasted words defending it. So no, I don't think anyone should be happy with Cryptic right now, but some people apparently think that companies should be exempt from even the most basic ethical concerns like "don't lie" in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.
Well then honestly your only recourse other than quitting the game is this. Write a letter to the main corporate office or write a letter to the better business bureau or turn them into the Federal Trade commssion that's what they are there for. That's the only advice I can give you bro.
I love the game but I truly hate this C-Store system of makin us use real cash to get these points for virtual objects. Make me quest for it, make me travel for it, make it hard to obtain, but i'm already paying a monthly fee for the priviledge of beta testing what should have been a complete game with ship interiors and abundant character slots from the beginning.
I love the game but I truly hate this C-Store system of makin us use real cash to get these points for virtual objects. Make me quest for it, make me travel for it, make it hard to obtain, but i'm already paying a monthly fee for the priviledge of beta testing what should have been a complete game with ship interiors and abundant character slots from the beginning.
Somethign just occurred to me. if this was something to do with xbox live no one would be complaining. if this was world of warcraft no one would be complaining. If this was knights of the old republic no one would be complaining. If this was final finatasy no one would be complaining.
yeah they getting a ton of flack over this issue and its well deserved , take a look at companies like flagship(went under),funcom, soe etc they all got bad reps and it will plauge them for ages funcom is gonna launch a new mmo soon and trust me if they mess up they might aswell change their name ... SoE i doubt can ever make a solid MMO again for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time...
Um SoE used the Unreal 3 engine to make a new game, and in November this year plans to release DC Universe Online.
Somethign just occurred to me. if this was something to do with xbox live no one would be complaining. if this was world of warcraft no one would be complaining. If this was knights of the old republic no one would be complaining. If this was final finatasy no one would be complaining.
Wrong... people complain a lot about xbox live. ( you wait until MW2 goes pay to play ) WOw has one of the biggest whiny community around. if they started doing this in that game people will whine. ( I think some even whined over the pony store. ) TOR that games needs one million subs to break even, and my bet is they will have a B-store to cover to profits, and if they pulled this then that community would whine. ( think about what would happen if the only way to get a light saber was to buy it on the B-store. ) Final Finatasy I believe already has a store like ours. ( and chances are they also whine. )
so no it is not just because this is Star Trek that people are whining. people are whining because they feel they are not getting their money's worth. ( at least most of the people a few others have their own opinions )
if you have that much of a problem with the C-store and the way cryptic handles the game then there's a simple solution dude. cancel your subscription and quit playing. your feed back is appreciated but your attempt to get people to stop spending money in the c-store is not appreciated.
The stuff in the cstore hasn't affected the game whatso ever far as game balance and I for one love the store. again I repeat if you dont' like the cstore no one is twisting your arm making you buy anything nor is anyone forcing you to pay to play this game.
Thank you for your help, we would not know what to do without you. Have a blessed evening, somewhere else...
Thank you for your help, we would not know what to do without you. Have a blessed evening, somewhere else...
I'm afraid I don't have to bud. my subscription fee gives me the right. you don't like the cstore and want to do nothing but complain about it then quit simple as that if you hate the game so bad bro you and the other people like you. peace
Wrong... people complain a lot about xbox live. ( you wait until MW2 goes pay to play ) WOw has one of the biggest whiny community around. if they started doing this in that game people will whine. ( I think some even whined over the pony store. ) TOR that games needs one million subs to break even, and my bet is they will have a B-store to cover to profits, and if they pulled this then that community would whine. ( think about what would happen if the only way to get a light saber was to buy it on the B-store. ) Final Finatasy I believe already has a store like ours. ( and chances are they also whine. )
so no it is not just because this is Star Trek that people are whining. people are whining because they feel they are not getting their money's worth. ( at least most of the people a few others have their own opinions )
I'm just tired of the complaining about this game and people taking for granted when the developers are working very hard on this game when the company doesn't have to do what they do. the developers don't have to interact on the level with the players that they do. They do and do nothing but get ridiculed and its never enough for the players. people still complain and complain and complain. Its a never ending hate cycle.
I'm afraid I don't have to bud. my subscription fee gives me the right. you don't like the cstore and want to do nothing but complain about it then quit simple as that if you hate the game so bad bro you and the other people like you. peace
Peace yourself pal. As you so put it, I have a right as well. So, if you don't like our discussing it, how about YOU go cancel and do something else.
I'm just tired of the complaining about this game and people taking for granted when the developers are working very hard on this game when the company doesn't have to do what they do. the developers don't have to interact on the level with the players that they do. They do and do nothing but get ridiculed and its never enough for the players. people still complain and complain and complain. Its a never ending hate cycle.
And you are helping to make it go round and round...
Somethign just occurred to me. if this was something to do with xbox live no one would be complaining. if this was world of warcraft no one would be complaining. If this was knights of the old republic no one would be complaining. If this was final finatasy no one would be complaining.
I should not get involved in this. Blizzard has a reputation they can bank on, but they are far from exempt when it comes to player criticism. That whole epic mount as a micro-transaction actually made news headlines. In those articles about WoW's use of expensive mounts as MTs they related how there were forum fires. Knights of the Old Republic? Again BioWare has an established reputation for success in single player MMOs like KoTOR. I am curious how TOR (The online MMO version of KoTOR) will pan out. At this point though I will probably not play if BioWare has micro-transactions in it, (and I am a dyed in the wool BioWare fan boi!).
You're a smart person, I've seen the tactics you use when you intentionally shut threads down in this forum, so don't act naive. All of these games have official forums and if they do not they have fan forums. They all get criticized. I have seen BioWare criticized in these forums because TOR will not launch with personal spaceships or spaceship combat. As forum speak goes any kind of negative criticism of a title is labeled as complaints by blind fans of that title.
Understand negative criticism comes in two flavors, the kind that comes from people who just want to tear a title up, and constructive criticism that fans use to try to help make a title better. Much of what you read is is the latter variety. We are communicating to Cryptic, about a title we love, what we are actually willing to pay. This thread is less about whining and complaining and more bartering. Some are less hyperboleistic than others but end of the day we are trying to get the cost of the game and it's enhancements, (C-Store) down to a level that more than an elite few can enjoy, and to assure that proceeds from the C-Store, (spent on this game), wind up improving this title more than a nebulous, unnamed third title).
I should not get involved in this. Blizzard has a reputation they can bank on, but they are far from exempt when it comes to player criticism. That whole epic mount as a micro-transaction actually made news headlines. In those articles about WoW's use of expensive mounts as MTs they related how there were forum fires. Knights of the Old Republic? Again BioWare has an established reputation for success in single player MMOs like KoTOR. I am curious how TOR (The online MMO version of KoTOR) will pan out. At this point though I will probably not play if BioWare has micro-transactions in it, (and I am a dyed in the wool BioWare fan boi!).
You're a smart person, I've seen the tactics you use when you intentionally shut threads down in this forum, so don't act naive. All of these games have official forums and if they do not they have fan forums. They all get criticized. I have seen BioWare criticized in these forums because TOR will not launch with personal spaceships or spaceship combat. As forum speak goes any kind of negative criticism of a title is labeled as complaints by blind fans of that title.
Understand negative criticism comes in two flavors, the kind that comes from people who just want to tear a title up, and constructive criticism that fans use to try to help make a title better. Much of what you read is is the latter variety. We are communicating to Cryptic, about a title we love, what we are actually willing to pay. This thread is less about whining and complaining and more bartering. Some are less hyperboleistic than others but end of the day we are trying to get the cost of the game and it's enhancements, (C-Store) down to a level that more than an elite few can enjoy, and to assure that proceeds from the C-Store, (spent on this game), wind up improving this title more than a nebulous, unnamed third title).
Considering that you and Zodi-emish have been some of the more eloquent voices on this topic, I'll take that as a huge compliment. No worries it won't go to my head.:)
I'm just tired of the complaining about this game and people taking for granted when the developers are working very hard on this game when the company doesn't have to do what they do. the developers don't have to interact on the level with the players that they do. They do and do nothing but get ridiculed and its never enough for the players. people still complain and complain and complain. Its a never ending hate cycle.
Kronoso I was just like you. I defended cryptic in ways that ended in some bad blood between me and a few other forum members ( that is something I'm not proud of ) and it took one event to open my eyes. that event was the sale gate. what happened was they put the game on a super sale before the first month was over, and offered 90 days total to the game. many people saw it as a sign of doom, and that they were just doing a money grab. I saw it different. I saw it as a bad mistake in their marketing. what they were doing was causing fear in the community, and that was not good for the game. So I fought back on the forums, made a thread that turned in a threadnought, and started a PM campaign to Zinc. Cryptic did take some actions that I will not talk about, but those actions fueled the fires even more. it got to the point where they did change what they were doing. sadly at the time I was real bitter at marketing's actions, and I left the game for two, and a half months.
when I came back I started loving and enjoying the game again, but there was one thing I learned. always question the devs, and their actions by asking "is it in the best interest for the game?" if they do something you don't agree with then it is your duty to complain in a civilized manner. that is If you want this game to survive. Fact is we have a lot against us, and it will take the community to keep them on track.
one thing I applied to this game, and it may sound silly, but I do love Star Trek, and this game, is this saying.
Question with boldness all actions the devs do, praise the devs when they earn your praise, and scold the devs when they do wrong. ( 10 forum points if you know where the first three words are from )
it maybe a silly saying, but I don't want to see this game fail because it is really one of our last hope for a true Star Trek MMO, so I question everything they do, and I ask. Is it in the best interest for the game ?
( also I love this game, and even if I'm not a lifer I'm still going to be here for life. )
{ also sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes it is late and I didn't have time to double check my post. }
Now I'm off to bed.
edit one last thing. if they give us a way to earn C-store points in game, or if they give out these ships for free, and put their own remakes on those two ships in the C-store I will be back to fanboi status level 8. right now I'm at a level 5.6 on the fanboi meter ( interiors helped. )
Kronoso I was just like you. I defended cryptic in ways that ended in some bad blood between me and a few other forum members ( that is something I'm not proud of ) and it took one event to open my eyes. that event was the sale gate. what happened was they put the game on a super sale before the first month was over, and offered 90 days total to the game. many people saw it as a sign of doom, and that they were just doing a money grab. I saw it different. I saw it as a bad mistake in their marketing. what they were doing was causing fear in the community, and that was not good for the game. So I fought back on the forums, made a thread that turned in a threadnought, and started a PM campaign to Zinc. Cryptic did take some actions that I will not talk about, but those actions fueled the fires even more. it got to the point where they did change what they were doing. sadly at the time I was real bitter at marketing's actions, and I left the game for two, and a half months.
when I came back I started loving and enjoying the game again, but there was one thing I learned. always question the devs, and their actions by asking "is it in the best interest for the game?" if they do something you don't agree with then it is your duty to complain in a civilized manner. that is If you want this game to survive. Fact is we have a lot against us, and it will take the community to keep them on track.
one thing I applied to this game, and it may sound silly, but I do love Star Trek, and this game, is this saying.
Question with boldness all actions the devs do, praise the devs when they earn your praise, and scold the devs when they do wrong. ( 10 forum points if you know where the first three words are from )
it maybe a silly saying, but I don't want to see this game fail because it is really one of our last hope for a true Star Trek MMO, so I question everything they do, and I ask. Is it in the best interest for the game ?
( also I love this game, and even if I'm not a lifer I'm still going to be here for life. )
{ also sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes it is late and I didn't have time to double check my post. }
Now I'm off to bed.
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." ~Thomas Jefferson
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." ~Thomas Jefferson
I also like Euripides', "Question everything."
bingo you win 10 forum points. sadly they about as worthless as energy credits.
bingo you win 10 forum points. sadly they about as worthless as energy credits.
ZODDAMMIT! ROFL. I knew that of course, I just can't help myself when it comes to quotable quotes, they offer insight to the mind of the person who employs them.
ZODDAMMIT! ROFL. I knew that of course, I just can't help myself when it comes to quotable quotes, they offer insight to the mind of the person who employs them.
ZODDAMMIT! ROFL. I knew that of course, I just can't help myself when it comes to quotable quotes, they offer insight to the mind of the person who employs them.
Now, if they were convertible to forum merits....
Ahem. Just adding my voice to wanting to know if Cryptic/Atari's marketing/finance guys are going to allow the merits-to-CPoints conversion. Even if it's a somewhat ridiculous number, that'd erase much of the sourness a lot of people are currently feeling.
Ahem. Just adding my voice to wanting to know if Cryptic/Atari's marketing/finance guys are going to allow the merits-to-CPoints conversion. Even if it's a somewhat ridiculous number, that'd erase much of the sourness a lot of people are currently feeling.
The best way I see it working is this way. This was done by superchum.
If yes, stop posting on the forums and play the game more.
If no, stop posting on the forums and cancel your account. Or if you're a lifetimer, uninstall the game from your hard drive.
Problems solved.
EDIT: And props to Zodi for quoting me. I think I got my math wrong, as the character transfer is 400 CPs, not 500. But the general idea remains the same. And I'm all in favor of a CP to Merits exchange. It then turns those items into a time based reward, and lets people get them in-game. With a lot of effort in-game. But still ... in-game.
So that'd be about 30 hours (at the maximum of 2 per hour) of grinding B'tran DSE 3-packs for the Connie and 75 for the Gal-X. Assuming very optimistically that the average subscriber can put in 2 solid hours a day at that rate, that's a little over a month for the Gal-X. So more realistically I'd say the average subber would have to devote almost as many days worth of subscription time to getting the G-X as its price tag. So one would think the bean counters might go for it.
Edit: Bah, now I have to re-math. Well, nah. We'll just leave it at "shorter". Still fully reasonable I think, since I doubt many subscribers have the endurance to grind at 100% efficiency during sparse free time.
If yes, stop posting on the forums and play the game more.
If no, stop posting on the forums and cancel your account. Or if you're a lifetimer, uninstall the game from your hard drive.
Problems solved.
.
there is a problem, as a super nerd I have my gaming computer on one screen, and a linux machine on another screen, and a lot of the time I'm playing the game, and talking on the forums. so those options don't work.
EDIT: And props to Zodi for quoting me. I think I got my math wrong, as the character transfer is 400 CPs, not 500. But the general idea remains the same. And I'm all in favor of a CP to Merits exchange. It then turns those items into a time based reward, and lets people get them in-game. With a lot of effort in-game. But still ... in-game.
also what you posted was in my opinion the best conversion, and that is why I keep on posting it around the forums. ( to get the item in the minds of the devs, and the community ) I have to say thank you for that.
also I should be in bed, but these silly forums make it hard to leave. grr. oh well good night.
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They're breaking promises that they made in clear language and when called on it weaseling away with stretching the meanings of words rather than having even the decency to say it straight that they changed their minds.
That the gameplay is also mediocre in the best cases and they're charging industry-leading premiums beyond that on their broken promises just takes it from offensive to ludicrous.
You're right, Cryptic/Atari probably won't miss me in particular. I find myself wondering exactly when they're going to realize they should start missing people, seeing as the population just keeps bleeding off.
you know what why dont' all video game companies that make mmos just go ahead and shut down and just go back to making completely single player offline games that way everyone will be happy. It is completely obvious and history has taught us obviously that when you get a crowd together over the internet people thrive on making one another miserable and if they cant' be happy and enjoy a game like star trek they don't want anyone else to enjoy it either.
You're damn right I'm not happy. I'm not happy about being lied to. I'm even more unhappy that, because I believed the lie, I wasted words defending it. So no, I don't think anyone should be happy with Cryptic right now, but some people apparently think that companies should be exempt from even the most basic ethical concerns like "don't lie" in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.
Well then honestly your only recourse other than quitting the game is this. Write a letter to the main corporate office or write a letter to the better business bureau or turn them into the Federal Trade commssion that's what they are there for. That's the only advice I can give you bro.
Somethign just occurred to me. if this was something to do with xbox live no one would be complaining. if this was world of warcraft no one would be complaining. If this was knights of the old republic no one would be complaining. If this was final finatasy no one would be complaining.
Um SoE used the Unreal 3 engine to make a new game, and in November this year plans to release DC Universe Online.
Wrong... people complain a lot about xbox live. ( you wait until MW2 goes pay to play ) WOw has one of the biggest whiny community around. if they started doing this in that game people will whine. ( I think some even whined over the pony store. ) TOR that games needs one million subs to break even, and my bet is they will have a B-store to cover to profits, and if they pulled this then that community would whine. ( think about what would happen if the only way to get a light saber was to buy it on the B-store. ) Final Finatasy I believe already has a store like ours. ( and chances are they also whine. )
so no it is not just because this is Star Trek that people are whining. people are whining because they feel they are not getting their money's worth. ( at least most of the people a few others have their own opinions )
Thank you for your help, we would not know what to do without you. Have a blessed evening, somewhere else...
I'm afraid I don't have to bud. my subscription fee gives me the right. you don't like the cstore and want to do nothing but complain about it then quit simple as that if you hate the game so bad bro you and the other people like you. peace
I'm just tired of the complaining about this game and people taking for granted when the developers are working very hard on this game when the company doesn't have to do what they do. the developers don't have to interact on the level with the players that they do. They do and do nothing but get ridiculed and its never enough for the players. people still complain and complain and complain. Its a never ending hate cycle.
Peace yourself pal. As you so put it, I have a right as well. So, if you don't like our discussing it, how about YOU go cancel and do something else.
And you are helping to make it go round and round...
blah blah blah mr elitist
I'd like to see you make me big boy
I should not get involved in this. Blizzard has a reputation they can bank on, but they are far from exempt when it comes to player criticism. That whole epic mount as a micro-transaction actually made news headlines. In those articles about WoW's use of expensive mounts as MTs they related how there were forum fires. Knights of the Old Republic? Again BioWare has an established reputation for success in single player MMOs like KoTOR. I am curious how TOR (The online MMO version of KoTOR) will pan out. At this point though I will probably not play if BioWare has micro-transactions in it, (and I am a dyed in the wool BioWare fan boi!).
You're a smart person, I've seen the tactics you use when you intentionally shut threads down in this forum, so don't act naive. All of these games have official forums and if they do not they have fan forums. They all get criticized. I have seen BioWare criticized in these forums because TOR will not launch with personal spaceships or spaceship combat. As forum speak goes any kind of negative criticism of a title is labeled as complaints by blind fans of that title.
Understand negative criticism comes in two flavors, the kind that comes from people who just want to tear a title up, and constructive criticism that fans use to try to help make a title better. Much of what you read is is the latter variety. We are communicating to Cryptic, about a title we love, what we are actually willing to pay. This thread is less about whining and complaining and more bartering. Some are less hyperboleistic than others but end of the day we are trying to get the cost of the game and it's enhancements, (C-Store) down to a level that more than an elite few can enjoy, and to assure that proceeds from the C-Store, (spent on this game), wind up improving this title more than a nebulous, unnamed third title).
Well said.
Considering that you and Zodi-emish have been some of the more eloquent voices on this topic, I'll take that as a huge compliment. No worries it won't go to my head.:)
Kronoso I was just like you. I defended cryptic in ways that ended in some bad blood between me and a few other forum members ( that is something I'm not proud of ) and it took one event to open my eyes. that event was the sale gate. what happened was they put the game on a super sale before the first month was over, and offered 90 days total to the game. many people saw it as a sign of doom, and that they were just doing a money grab. I saw it different. I saw it as a bad mistake in their marketing. what they were doing was causing fear in the community, and that was not good for the game. So I fought back on the forums, made a thread that turned in a threadnought, and started a PM campaign to Zinc. Cryptic did take some actions that I will not talk about, but those actions fueled the fires even more. it got to the point where they did change what they were doing. sadly at the time I was real bitter at marketing's actions, and I left the game for two, and a half months.
when I came back I started loving and enjoying the game again, but there was one thing I learned. always question the devs, and their actions by asking "is it in the best interest for the game?" if they do something you don't agree with then it is your duty to complain in a civilized manner. that is If you want this game to survive. Fact is we have a lot against us, and it will take the community to keep them on track.
one thing I applied to this game, and it may sound silly, but I do love Star Trek, and this game, is this saying.
Question with boldness all actions the devs do, praise the devs when they earn your praise, and scold the devs when they do wrong. ( 10 forum points if you know where the first three words are from )
it maybe a silly saying, but I don't want to see this game fail because it is really one of our last hope for a true Star Trek MMO, so I question everything they do, and I ask. Is it in the best interest for the game ?
( also I love this game, and even if I'm not a lifer I'm still going to be here for life. )
{ also sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes it is late and I didn't have time to double check my post. }
Now I'm off to bed.
edit one last thing. if they give us a way to earn C-store points in game, or if they give out these ships for free, and put their own remakes on those two ships in the C-store I will be back to fanboi status level 8. right now I'm at a level 5.6 on the fanboi meter ( interiors helped. )
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." ~Thomas Jefferson
I also like Euripides', "Question everything."
Oh hell, Mr. Sulu, fire phasers and take us to the next planet!
bingo you win 10 forum points. sadly they about as worthless as energy credits.
ZODDAMMIT! ROFL. I knew that of course, I just can't help myself when it comes to quotable quotes, they offer insight to the mind of the person who employs them.
So what does that quote say about my mind? * zodi does the spock eyebrow raise *
( just curious )
Now, if they were convertible to forum merits....
Ahem. Just adding my voice to wanting to know if Cryptic/Atari's marketing/finance guys are going to allow the merits-to-CPoints conversion. Even if it's a somewhat ridiculous number, that'd erase much of the sourness a lot of people are currently feeling.
The best way I see it working is this way. This was done by superchum.
Is the game fun? Yes or no.
If yes, stop posting on the forums and play the game more.
If no, stop posting on the forums and cancel your account. Or if you're a lifetimer, uninstall the game from your hard drive.
Problems solved.
EDIT: And props to Zodi for quoting me. I think I got my math wrong, as the character transfer is 400 CPs, not 500. But the general idea remains the same. And I'm all in favor of a CP to Merits exchange. It then turns those items into a time based reward, and lets people get them in-game. With a lot of effort in-game. But still ... in-game.
So that'd be about 30 hours (at the maximum of 2 per hour) of grinding B'tran DSE 3-packs for the Connie and 75 for the Gal-X. Assuming very optimistically that the average subscriber can put in 2 solid hours a day at that rate, that's a little over a month for the Gal-X. So more realistically I'd say the average subber would have to devote almost as many days worth of subscription time to getting the G-X as its price tag. So one would think the bean counters might go for it.
Edit: Bah, now I have to re-math. Well, nah. We'll just leave it at "shorter". Still fully reasonable I think, since I doubt many subscribers have the endurance to grind at 100% efficiency during sparse free time.
there is a problem, as a super nerd I have my gaming computer on one screen, and a linux machine on another screen, and a lot of the time I'm playing the game, and talking on the forums. so those options don't work.
also what you posted was in my opinion the best conversion, and that is why I keep on posting it around the forums. ( to get the item in the minds of the devs, and the community ) I have to say thank you for that.
also I should be in bed, but these silly forums make it hard to leave. grr. oh well good night.