I'll probably regret it later but after I read the notes for 2.0 I deleted my Klingon in disgust. It seems the Klingon's are only getting a little fluff and not really anything meaningful compared to the Federation side.
/em salute
That's what I'm talking about. This player's taking action. And letting Cryptic know he's mad as heck and isn't going to take it anymore.
That's what I'm talking about. This player's taking action. And letting Cryptic know he's mad as heck and isn't going to take it anymore.
Lead by example!
You have my respect.
The real problem is that I think they are going to fall back on UGC instead of actually trying to fix the faction (i.e. make us fix it for them). It's slated for Season 3 according to a recent interview on HailingFrequencies with Stahl, and they will implement it before they do anything with open PvP or fleet bases.
The real problem is that I think they are going to fall back on UGC instead of actually trying to fix the faction (i.e. make us fix it for them). It's slated for Season 3 according to a recent interview on HailingFrequencies with Stahl, and they will implement it before they do anything with open PvP or fleet bases.
I don't think they're close enough to being done with UGC to bank on it. If they are, it's going to be rudimentary and probably another hailstorm (relace hail with a different word) of forum complaining as from what I've read by coderanger, it doesn't seem to be close to ready. I mean the could schedule it for season 3 ... but the catians ... klingon story arcs ... sitting in chairs ... pakleds ... the list of things that got pushed back for various reasons is pretty long.
Mark my words people, if Cryptic keeps this barrage of utter lies up then STO will be dead by this time next year. I know that I'm just riding along STO until SWTOR comes out and I think that's the opinion of the vast majority.
Hell Cryptic, 1 new ship... a WORTHLESS but COOL looking carrier? Come on!
RETROFIT BIRDS OF PREY, RETROFIT RAPTORS, RETROFIT NEGH'VARS!!! That's what we WANT!
The retrofit ship thing seems odd to me - I find it hard to believe that these ships will not be massively better in PvP.
At the very least, Klingons need to get similar options on BO slots, ignoring ship skins. Or maybe just a BoP with 2 universal Cmndr slots.
Keep in mind that the Defiant is lacking a front weapon compared to T5 escorts, meaning that it trades 25% DPS for a cloak, which doesn't sound too bad a trade off. I also think that the Intrepid ability doesn't sound all that useful.
Keep in mind that the Defiant is lacking a front weapon compared to T5 escorts, meaning that it trades 25% DPS for a cloak, which doesn't sound too bad a trade off. I also think that the Intrepid ability doesn't sound all that useful.
It's lacking an aft weapon slot, not a forward one. Furthermore the Intrepid will be an unstoppable beast in the hands of a remotely competent player.....
Cool eh. 5 iconic ships vs. 1 fishy monstrosity. :mad:
2 of those are most likely not coming out in season 2.0. Are going to the C-Store. And could very well be lower tier ships.
The KDF ship issue dstahl has already posted that they are going to be adding more ships to the KDF. And adding in Orion, Gorn and Nausicaan ships at that.
So outside of other race ships ... here's the hard part.
List to me the ICONIC Klingon ships that currently are NOT in the game?
2 of those are most likely not coming out in season 2.0. Are going to the C-Store. And could very well be lower tier ships.
The KDF ship issue dstahl has already posted that they are going to be adding more ships to the KDF. And adding in Orion, Gorn and Nausicaan ships at that.
So outside of other race ships ... here's the hard part.
List to me the ICONIC Klingon ships that currently are NOT in the game?
The Cruiser version of the Bird of Prey, usually referred to as K'Vort class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Y7wRRq0Bo
In several recent books (Tales of the Dominion War, the IKS Gorkon series)
the Pagh from that episode is established as a K'Vort class vessel, which is also called a Heavy Cruiser
and is also a clearly distinct design from the smaller Birds of Prey.
The K'Vort class was also mentioned in DS9 "Penumbra" and parts of previous battlefootage was recycled for "Rascals".
Besides, previous companies have managed to create dozens of new ship designs for non-Federation races, including Klingons.
Even though it would not be possible to use them, it certainly shows that it is possible to create some.
Besides, I have previously asked in the Bird of Prey subforum if anyone knew how to properly submit ship-designs to Cyptic and Azurian also asked the very same question in the Battlecruiser subforum.
I currently have one 200 meter Bird of Prey, one modern K'tinga alternative (its is to the K'tinga and the Vor'cha what the Excalibur is to the Sovereign and the Constitution refit of you understand my meaning) and one Raptor design in a drawer next to me.
And unless something odd happens tomorrow I intend to at least turn them into some 3d meshes that can show what those designs look like.
I am not an expert in the area of modelling and it takes me ages to come up with good textures, but it would be a start Cryptic could go on.
You could call it a different kind of user-generated content.
But so far nothing has come from them, neither positive nor negative response.
It almost feels like nobody actually read the Klingon subforums, but I am sure that is a completely wron assumption on my part.;)
(Which is something already mentioned as being considered for addition to BoP customization).
Any others?
Besides, previous companies have managed to create dozens of new ship designs for non-Federation races, including Klingons.
That's not a viable option.
Even though it would not be possible to use them, it certainly shows that it is possible to create some.
The designers added a very distinct carrier that is totally new. And people kind of hate it. Just like a lot of people hate on many of the Cryptic designs on the fed side.
Besides, I have previously asked in the Bird of Prey subforum if anyone knew how to properly submit ship-designs to Cyptic and Azurian also asked the very same question in the Battlecruiser subforum.
Freelance submissions are discouraged at a lot of companies for various legal reasons. And they have a team of ship designers, who most likely have their own ideas. That's just life. I run into that all the time as a freelance illustrator and designer.
That's 1. And all it seems to be is A BoP with its wings turned up
(Which is something already mentioned as being considered for addition to BoP customization).
Any others?
Here is the problem....if you are going strictly by canon, then I think that all of the known Klingon ship types are pretty much covered by STO already...although I don't think that the D7 is present...like the Enterprise class is for the Feds.
In any case, the Klingon Fleet - and ship types - were never fully detailed in any of the Star Trek shows. They just aren't, because the show was not about Klingons. It was about the Federation. In terms of past games, FASA and Star Fleet Battles both had extensive libraries of Klingon ship types...but I do not think that those ships would be considered "canon" even though both franchises at one time published games for whichever major company held the Star Trek license at the time.
Superchum, I quite frankly have a problem with the direction your own queries are going in. Technically, I am sensing from you that theoretically, since all Klingon ships may already be realized or present in STO, that there should never be any more Klingon ships introduced...which makes things bleak when you start thinking of Tier 6 vessels, I am thinking...because from the Klingon point of view, it may just be that in order to realize Tier 6 or higher ships for the Klingon faction in STO, some of the "canon" rules are going to have to be bent.
If you want to discuss ship types that have been purposefully modelled and played in previous Star Trek games in which the publishing company worked under whichever company held the Star Trek license, then I think that the place to start would either be the Star Fleet Battles or FASA Star Trek games. The FASA library might be the best fit for Star Trek Online -- the SFB Klingon ship library literallly has hundreds of vessel types for all sorts of mission types. FASA has about 20 or so ship types spread across several classes. A link to the FASA ship list is here: http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/klingons/klingons.html
But I already know what will be said. Incorporating these vessels, or anything like these vessels, is unlikely due to licensing issues...unless, of course, these vessels are part of the current licensing package in some manner. They might well be, since I see the Neghvar, K'Tinga, Vorcha, and Bird of Prey all listed here.
In summary, the FASA list has the T-series of Assault Ships, The L-Series of Battleships, the entire Line if D-Series Cruisers and Destroyers, The L-Series of Frigates, the K-Series of Scouts, Escorts, and Gunboats, and more.
Shrug. Oh. Before I leave...you talk about the complaints that issue from the Fed side about ship models and types, etc. Sheesh. The sheer variety of ship types, to include the cosmetic versions, that are available to the Feds is staggering. Add in the mix and match modeling...and the permutations of possible ship variants and types is astounding. Comparing THAT to the choices that the Klingons currently have is similar to comparing a Chinese buffet to a soup kitchen line. It simply does not make sense, and I am surprised that you would even present that as a logical argument to justify your curt responses, because it most definitely is not a logical argument, and there is no justification to any reasonable person who has both of their eyes open.
Am I the only one that finds Lt. Gen being higher than Maj. Gen for us a bit odd. Is that the way it really is?
Not only the army, but the other services, both in the US and other countries as well.
It originates from the fact that the rank used to be "Sergeant Major General" and was subordinate to a "Lieutenant General". Eventually "Sergeant" was removed and we ended up with the unusual situation of a "Major" reporting to a "Lieutenant" per se.
2 of those are most likely not coming out in season 2.0. Are going to the C-Store. And could very well be lower tier ships.
But they exist. No matter how you turn it. The Klingon focused season 2 gave Feds 5 ships and Klingons a carrier. I really wonder why Cryptic doesn´t even bother asking what we like.
The KDF ship issue dstahl has already posted that they are going to be adding more ships to the KDF. And adding in Orion, Gorn and Nausicaan ships at that.
Season 3 or beyond. Wonder how many still left then.
Things were supposed to get better since the advent of the "45 day patch" after release. Well, that's done. Season 1 came and went without much for the KDF also. Now, from what's been posted around and from the devs' own filthy sewers, Season 2 won't be much for the Klingons also. And now people are talking about that the devs will devote their efforts on bringing the Klingons up to par with the Feds AFTER Season 2? LOL! Keep dangling the carrot I guess. See what kind of suckers follow along. The lifetimers are screwed either way.
As for the Feds getting refitted "iconic" ships for use at T5 while the KDF gets an unwanted carrier (well, to most KDF players), it just shows, if you haven't realized it already, how biased those Cryptic a**holes are. They can do a hackjob to bring those Fed ships up to spec for T5? While they can't do the same for some of the KDF?
I know the ship selection for the KDF is (**STILL**) limited. But how difficult would it have been to have an upgraded Vor'cha? Or how about an upgraded BoP that is of classic Star Trek design for T5?
Still not letting those jerks off for not putting in more KDF ships, BTW.
Edit to add: Let's not forget the other races lumped in with the Klingon Empire. Orion, Gorn and their associated ships. "Modern" warships for them are practically non-existent in Star Trek movies / TV shows. Cryptic has a free hand in coming up with non-Klingon race warships for the KDF, especially for the warlike Gorn. But nothing has happened or, correct me if I'm wrong since I'm not a frequenter on these forums anymore, no tangible proof it's coming soon.
Like I said earlier: Glad I cancelled. F**k you Cryptic. F**k you very much.
(Which is something already mentioned as being considered for addition to BoP customization).
I am well aware of the design's origin and that it was simply a deliberate scaling of the old BoP from Star Trek III.
However for the very simple reason that it is very much identical to the small BoP it should not be more
difficult for Cryptic to add it to the game than it was for the folks who did TNG to put it into the show.:)
It is certainly a matter of personal preference whether you like the design or not and whether you think it
is one of the most ridicilous ideas ever to simply scale up a ship and call it cruiser.
And there are also those who think there is only one size of BoP and everyone who thinks otherwise is...demented.
I'm well aware of all those things and I don't know into which category you fall and whether you fall into any of them, I personally I kinda like the design.
And there is also prescedence in this game for that...somewhat.
The original "Enterprise"-era raptor is about 140 meters long.
The old "ships of the line" desciptions for Star Trek online state that the Tier 2 Raptor looks very much like the old one from "enterprise" but is over 200 meters long, so in essence they scaled it up.
I don't have the TOS Constitution as a preorder bonus and I did not buy it from the C-Store, but since they put it in as a gimmick (and it is not actually anything else) I found it odd that they did not add a TOS-style D7 as a Klingon Tier 1 counterpart, equally unlocked by the Pre-Order thingy and the purchase from the C-Store.
Freelance submissions are discouraged at a lot of companies for various legal reasons. And they have a team of ship designers, who most likely have their own ideas. That's just life. I run into that all the time as a freelance illustrator and designer.
Well and in the case of many companies I would not have made that proposal, but they talk about user-generated content and I believe these ships fall into the same category...nothing.
It's odd besides it would appear that they will need a few weeks to determine what kind of ships are missing.
So it would seem that they have had little to no ideas during the last few months.
Interesting also because there have been several posts in the forums where players have stated what kind of ships they feel (they) are missing.
Again...nothing.
It's like they are talking about the Klingon faction not with the players who actually play it.
For example many posts in the Klingon section were about the need for more than one T5 Battlecruiser (Vor'cha refit, Quang, whatever) and also those who actually like the carrier (don't seem to be that many) would have liked one with more fight-capacity.
So what did Cryptice design? Neither of the ships players would have liked.
And that seems to be the greatest gripe that people seem to have about this thing from my perspective.
On the one hand it is still somewhat established that Klingons are supposed to be a PvP faction (at least more so than the Federation) and then they get something that may ver well be useless for PvP.
That sounds illogical to me, and pretty much the exact opposite to what the players would have liked.
Of course there are always folks who will demand thigs that are over the top and totally stupid, but that is something that can be said about those posting their ideas and feedback for both factions.
And several ideas for the Federation faction have been implemented, but what about the other side...?
Here is the problem....if you are going strictly by canon, then I think that all of the known Klingon ship types are pretty much covered by STO already...although I don't think that the D7 is present...like the Enterprise class is for the Feds
Agreed on the D7 and the rather short list of known canon Klingon designs, however the Enterprise (NX-) class is NOT a Federation design, it is a human design and those ships were put out of service after the Federation was founded.
Humans!=Federation and Earth Starfleet!=Federation Starfleet.
Do you realize how long it took them to make Pakleds?
Catians?
Rigellians?
This was not directed at me, I know but I'd like to say a few words regarding this.
I believe we can all agree that creating new races is quite a strain, and personally I find it impressive that they created a whole new race for the Klingons in Season 2.
However I was rather surprised when DStahl said that the Federation was supposed to only receive the Galaxy Refit in Season 2 and that the other 2 refitted ships where made "overnight" (his phrasing).
Either that was an overstatement or they can make refits in a very short time when they wish to do so.
Even if they need to be tested of course, but they seem to be able to do that.
For me personally this raises the question why they did not do something similar with the Vor'cha, a ship that literally screams "heavy disruptor beam cannon"?
This may very well be too short a conclusion and may be unfair, but my first thought when I read DStahl's post was "So they can make in Intepid with ablative generators and a cloaking Defiant overnight, but they can't add a Galaxy-X style beam cannon to a Vor'cha without weeks of thinking about it?"
Superchum, I very much respect your position, but I certainly hope you can find some merit in my statements as well.
No. The Excelsior and the Nebula do not exist yet. Have no set date yet. And have not been tied to Season 2.
So it's not 5 ships. Two of them are not part of season 2. They're part of C-Store updates.
PART of Season 2's first patch (not even all of the patch) is on Tribble right now.
The Excelsior and the Nebula are not part of that or part of the rest of patch 2.0.
They were announced as coming to the C-Store.
Do you realize how long it took them to make Pakleds?
Catians?
Rigellians?
Good lord man. Think! Use your noodle!
Whatever.
The thing is - even if it is not a part of season 2 they are working to get them on the c-store wheras they should be for example working on a klingon counterpart for the gal x. But yeah no word from Cryptic on this topic. Took them one night to get the retrofit Defiant and Voyager ready.
How long can it take to build a Vor'cha when loads of Klings demand one?
The next thing the last line of yours. I always respected your statements and your posts. They were objective and reasonable. Dunno if ya have a bad day but such statement are unnecessary and insulting and I´m gonna report your post.
Cant wait playable Romulan faction. I hope youll cry cause they will have cloak too. So you cant look for weaker ships to focus your fire with your ambush loltactic. KvR will be like KvK. Noone will play it cause the cloak failmechanism.
We are not 'crying' about cloaks ... We are beating the war drums because we are suppose to be an equal faction and .... as is the typical federation spirit we most commonly see ... we are thrown scraps from the table while trolled upon and lied to.
And yes ... a continuing string of false promises and not holding to the measure of your word = lies and lack of honor in my book.
Whatever.
The thing is - even if it is not a part of season 2 they are working to get them on the c-store wheras they should be for example working on a klingon counterpart for the gal x. But yeah no word from Cryptic on this topic. Took them one night to get the retrofit Defiant and Voyager ready.
How long can it take to build a Vor'cha when loads of Klings demand one?
You speak how I feel here. We are talking ships with base designs already in game.
And regarding the diplomatic corps .... They chose to work on something that can be used by only ONE faction and not something that can be used by both .... like an open PvP map.
I don't have the TOS Constitution as a preorder bonus and I did not buy it from the C-Store, but since they put it in as a gimmick (and it is not actually anything else) I found it odd that they did not add a TOS-style D7 as a Klingon Tier 1 counterpart, equally unlocked by the Pre-Order thingy and the purchase from the C-Store.
I also found and continue to find that odd.
Let's face it, if they truly wanted to make things equal, I would be happy just seeing such that if three retros are released on one side, they are released on the other.
If they release something new in game that offers a whole new dimension to the game ... like diplomatic corps ... let it be something that at least both factions can play.
I love the fact that they are going with neutral factions for missions as these are missions we can all do ... and let's face it ... We are competing with the Federation not only in war, but also in bringing in new worlds and resources into the Empire.
This means we have diplomacy ..... even if ours break down sooner and we rattle the bat'leths to make the new member world fall into line.
This was not directed at me, I know but I'd like to say a few words regarding this.
I believe we can all agree that creating new races is quite a strain, and personally I find it impressive that they created a whole new race for the Klingons in Season 2.
However I was rather surprised when DStahl said that the Federation was supposed to only receive the Galaxy Refit in Season 2 and that the other 2 refitted ships where made "overnight" (his phrasing).
Either that was an overstatement or they can make refits in a very short time when they wish to do so.
Even if they need to be tested of course, but they seem to be able to do that.
For me personally this raises the question why they did not do something similar with the Vor'cha, a ship that literally screams "heavy disruptor beam cannon"?
This may very well be too short a conclusion and may be unfair, but my first thought when I read DStahl's post was "So they can make in Intepid with ablative generators and a cloaking Defiant overnight, but they can't add a Galaxy-X style beam cannon to a Vor'cha without weeks of thinking about it?"
Superchum, I very much respect your position, but I certainly hope you can find some merit in my statements as well.
You kind of killed the context of what I was talking about there. The quote about the rigellians and catians and pakleds was in reference to the Nebula and Excelsior. Neither of those ships are refits. It's a little easier to turn out a refit, because by it's very nature, the animation work is already well under way. New ships, like a Nebula, take longer because they have to be designed new. And aren't refits.
The poster I was talking to there was suggesting that the Nebula and Excelsior were part of season 2. The refits themselves were talked about back in 1.1. And took at least this long to get going into the game. Along with the "overnight success" of the animation/modeling/design work. (Because once the images were done, the slots and consoles and weapons loadouts had to be done).
The Rigellians were under way prior to patch 1.0. I know this because in the video they released for season 1.0 they showed a picture of an animator working on rigellians on-screen. You can see the little buggers right there in the video. But they took this long to get them finished and on the C-Store. Even though officers were available for your BOFFs.
The Catians are well documented about how long they took to get into the game.
So I don't think that poster is correct in the assumption that the Nebula and the Excelsior are part of season 2, patch 1. I don't think many of the things on the schedule of season 2 are going to be part of season 2, patch 1. Let alone the just announced Nebula and Excelsior.
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/em salute
That's what I'm talking about. This player's taking action. And letting Cryptic know he's mad as heck and isn't going to take it anymore.
Lead by example!
You have my respect.
The real problem is that I think they are going to fall back on UGC instead of actually trying to fix the faction (i.e. make us fix it for them). It's slated for Season 3 according to a recent interview on HailingFrequencies with Stahl, and they will implement it before they do anything with open PvP or fleet bases.
I don't think they're close enough to being done with UGC to bank on it. If they are, it's going to be rudimentary and probably another hailstorm (relace hail with a different word) of forum complaining as from what I've read by coderanger, it doesn't seem to be close to ready. I mean the could schedule it for season 3 ... but the catians ... klingon story arcs ... sitting in chairs ... pakleds ... the list of things that got pushed back for various reasons is pretty long.
Hell Cryptic, 1 new ship... a WORTHLESS but COOL looking carrier? Come on!
RETROFIT BIRDS OF PREY, RETROFIT RAPTORS, RETROFIT NEGH'VARS!!! That's what we WANT!
Keep in mind that the Defiant is lacking a front weapon compared to T5 escorts, meaning that it trades 25% DPS for a cloak, which doesn't sound too bad a trade off. I also think that the Intrepid ability doesn't sound all that useful.
It's lacking an aft weapon slot, not a forward one. Furthermore the Intrepid will be an unstoppable beast in the hands of a remotely competent player.....
Know I know where the man power went instead of Klingon content.
link me please
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=167578
Please look at dstahl's post, he states that the Nebula and Excelsior will be coming to C-Store
well that doesn't come as a surprise. More choice for the feds...
2 of those are most likely not coming out in season 2.0. Are going to the C-Store. And could very well be lower tier ships.
The KDF ship issue dstahl has already posted that they are going to be adding more ships to the KDF. And adding in Orion, Gorn and Nausicaan ships at that.
So outside of other race ships ... here's the hard part.
List to me the ICONIC Klingon ships that currently are NOT in the game?
The Cruiser version of the Bird of Prey, usually referred to as K'Vort class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Y7wRRq0Bo
In several recent books (Tales of the Dominion War, the IKS Gorkon series)
the Pagh from that episode is established as a K'Vort class vessel, which is also called a Heavy Cruiser
and is also a clearly distinct design from the smaller Birds of Prey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK9rNhQTrn4
1:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckPtvamv65U
3:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agH6ttlBu6M
1:27
The K'Vort class was also mentioned in DS9 "Penumbra" and parts of previous battlefootage was recycled for "Rascals".
Besides, previous companies have managed to create dozens of new ship designs for non-Federation races, including Klingons.
Even though it would not be possible to use them, it certainly shows that it is possible to create some.
Besides, I have previously asked in the Bird of Prey subforum if anyone knew how to properly submit ship-designs to Cyptic and Azurian also asked the very same question in the Battlecruiser subforum.
I currently have one 200 meter Bird of Prey, one modern K'tinga alternative (its is to the K'tinga and the Vor'cha what the Excalibur is to the Sovereign and the Constitution refit of you understand my meaning) and one Raptor design in a drawer next to me.
And unless something odd happens tomorrow I intend to at least turn them into some 3d meshes that can show what those designs look like.
I am not an expert in the area of modelling and it takes me ages to come up with good textures, but it would be a start Cryptic could go on.
You could call it a different kind of user-generated content.
But so far nothing has come from them, neither positive nor negative response.
It almost feels like nobody actually read the Klingon subforums, but I am sure that is a completely wron assumption on my part.;)
That's 1. And all it seems to be is A BoP with its wings turned up
(Which is something already mentioned as being considered for addition to BoP customization).
Any others?
That's not a viable option.
The designers added a very distinct carrier that is totally new. And people kind of hate it. Just like a lot of people hate on many of the Cryptic designs on the fed side.
Freelance submissions are discouraged at a lot of companies for various legal reasons. And they have a team of ship designers, who most likely have their own ideas. That's just life. I run into that all the time as a freelance illustrator and designer.
That's actually the way it is in real life with the US Army.
That's 1. And all it seems to be is A BoP with its wings turned up
(Which is something already mentioned as being considered for addition to BoP customization).
Any others?
Here is the problem....if you are going strictly by canon, then I think that all of the known Klingon ship types are pretty much covered by STO already...although I don't think that the D7 is present...like the Enterprise class is for the Feds.
In any case, the Klingon Fleet - and ship types - were never fully detailed in any of the Star Trek shows. They just aren't, because the show was not about Klingons. It was about the Federation. In terms of past games, FASA and Star Fleet Battles both had extensive libraries of Klingon ship types...but I do not think that those ships would be considered "canon" even though both franchises at one time published games for whichever major company held the Star Trek license at the time.
Superchum, I quite frankly have a problem with the direction your own queries are going in. Technically, I am sensing from you that theoretically, since all Klingon ships may already be realized or present in STO, that there should never be any more Klingon ships introduced...which makes things bleak when you start thinking of Tier 6 vessels, I am thinking...because from the Klingon point of view, it may just be that in order to realize Tier 6 or higher ships for the Klingon faction in STO, some of the "canon" rules are going to have to be bent.
If you want to discuss ship types that have been purposefully modelled and played in previous Star Trek games in which the publishing company worked under whichever company held the Star Trek license, then I think that the place to start would either be the Star Fleet Battles or FASA Star Trek games. The FASA library might be the best fit for Star Trek Online -- the SFB Klingon ship library literallly has hundreds of vessel types for all sorts of mission types. FASA has about 20 or so ship types spread across several classes. A link to the FASA ship list is here: http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/klingons/klingons.html
But I already know what will be said. Incorporating these vessels, or anything like these vessels, is unlikely due to licensing issues...unless, of course, these vessels are part of the current licensing package in some manner. They might well be, since I see the Neghvar, K'Tinga, Vorcha, and Bird of Prey all listed here.
In summary, the FASA list has the T-series of Assault Ships, The L-Series of Battleships, the entire Line if D-Series Cruisers and Destroyers, The L-Series of Frigates, the K-Series of Scouts, Escorts, and Gunboats, and more.
Shrug. Oh. Before I leave...you talk about the complaints that issue from the Fed side about ship models and types, etc. Sheesh. The sheer variety of ship types, to include the cosmetic versions, that are available to the Feds is staggering. Add in the mix and match modeling...and the permutations of possible ship variants and types is astounding. Comparing THAT to the choices that the Klingons currently have is similar to comparing a Chinese buffet to a soup kitchen line. It simply does not make sense, and I am surprised that you would even present that as a logical argument to justify your curt responses, because it most definitely is not a logical argument, and there is no justification to any reasonable person who has both of their eyes open.
Then I can live with it.
I think you are missing the point here.
The three iconic Federation ships being refitted for season 2 are each already in game.
So why can't three iconic Klingon ships already in game be refitted as well to maintain balance.
And regarding the new carrier .... I look over and see the Galaxy X in the C-store already.
Not only the army, but the other services, both in the US and other countries as well.
It originates from the fact that the rank used to be "Sergeant Major General" and was subordinate to a "Lieutenant General". Eventually "Sergeant" was removed and we ended up with the unusual situation of a "Major" reporting to a "Lieutenant" per se.
I really wonder why Cryptic doesn´t even bother asking what we like.
Season 3 or beyond. Wonder how many still left then.
Retrofits of a Vor'Cha or K'Vort for example. Easy to do and many of us would be happy.
No. The Excelsior and the Nebula do not exist yet. Have no set date yet. And have not been tied to Season 2.
So it's not 5 ships. Two of them are not part of season 2. They're part of C-Store updates.
PART of Season 2's first patch (not even all of the patch) is on Tribble right now.
The Excelsior and the Nebula are not part of that or part of the rest of patch 2.0.
They were announced as coming to the C-Store.
Do you realize how long it took them to make Pakleds?
Catians?
Rigellians?
Good lord man. Think! Use your noodle!
Things were supposed to get better since the advent of the "45 day patch" after release. Well, that's done. Season 1 came and went without much for the KDF also. Now, from what's been posted around and from the devs' own filthy sewers, Season 2 won't be much for the Klingons also. And now people are talking about that the devs will devote their efforts on bringing the Klingons up to par with the Feds AFTER Season 2? LOL! Keep dangling the carrot I guess. See what kind of suckers follow along. The lifetimers are screwed either way.
As for the Feds getting refitted "iconic" ships for use at T5 while the KDF gets an unwanted carrier (well, to most KDF players), it just shows, if you haven't realized it already, how biased those Cryptic a**holes are. They can do a hackjob to bring those Fed ships up to spec for T5? While they can't do the same for some of the KDF?
I know the ship selection for the KDF is (**STILL**) limited. But how difficult would it have been to have an upgraded Vor'cha? Or how about an upgraded BoP that is of classic Star Trek design for T5?
Still not letting those jerks off for not putting in more KDF ships, BTW.
Edit to add: Let's not forget the other races lumped in with the Klingon Empire. Orion, Gorn and their associated ships. "Modern" warships for them are practically non-existent in Star Trek movies / TV shows. Cryptic has a free hand in coming up with non-Klingon race warships for the KDF, especially for the warlike Gorn. But nothing has happened or, correct me if I'm wrong since I'm not a frequenter on these forums anymore, no tangible proof it's coming soon.
Like I said earlier: Glad I cancelled. F**k you Cryptic. F**k you very much.
I am well aware of the design's origin and that it was simply a deliberate scaling of the old BoP from Star Trek III.
However for the very simple reason that it is very much identical to the small BoP it should not be more
difficult for Cryptic to add it to the game than it was for the folks who did TNG to put it into the show.:)
It is certainly a matter of personal preference whether you like the design or not and whether you think it
is one of the most ridicilous ideas ever to simply scale up a ship and call it cruiser.
And there are also those who think there is only one size of BoP and everyone who thinks otherwise is...demented.
I'm well aware of all those things and I don't know into which category you fall and whether you fall into any of them, I personally I kinda like the design.
And there is also prescedence in this game for that...somewhat.
The original "Enterprise"-era raptor is about 140 meters long.
The old "ships of the line" desciptions for Star Trek online state that the Tier 2 Raptor looks very much like the old one from "enterprise" but is over 200 meters long, so in essence they scaled it up.
I don't have the TOS Constitution as a preorder bonus and I did not buy it from the C-Store, but since they put it in as a gimmick (and it is not actually anything else) I found it odd that they did not add a TOS-style D7 as a Klingon Tier 1 counterpart, equally unlocked by the Pre-Order thingy and the purchase from the C-Store.
Well and in the case of many companies I would not have made that proposal, but they talk about user-generated content and I believe these ships fall into the same category...nothing.
It's odd besides it would appear that they will need a few weeks to determine what kind of ships are missing.
So it would seem that they have had little to no ideas during the last few months.
Interesting also because there have been several posts in the forums where players have stated what kind of ships they feel (they) are missing.
Again...nothing.
It's like they are talking about the Klingon faction not with the players who actually play it.
For example many posts in the Klingon section were about the need for more than one T5 Battlecruiser (Vor'cha refit, Quang, whatever) and also those who actually like the carrier (don't seem to be that many) would have liked one with more fight-capacity.
So what did Cryptice design? Neither of the ships players would have liked.
And that seems to be the greatest gripe that people seem to have about this thing from my perspective.
On the one hand it is still somewhat established that Klingons are supposed to be a PvP faction (at least more so than the Federation) and then they get something that may ver well be useless for PvP.
That sounds illogical to me, and pretty much the exact opposite to what the players would have liked.
Of course there are always folks who will demand thigs that are over the top and totally stupid, but that is something that can be said about those posting their ideas and feedback for both factions.
And several ideas for the Federation faction have been implemented, but what about the other side...?
Agreed on the D7 and the rather short list of known canon Klingon designs, however the Enterprise (NX-) class is NOT a Federation design, it is a human design and those ships were put out of service after the Federation was founded.
Humans!=Federation and Earth Starfleet!=Federation Starfleet.
This was not directed at me, I know but I'd like to say a few words regarding this.
I believe we can all agree that creating new races is quite a strain, and personally I find it impressive that they created a whole new race for the Klingons in Season 2.
However I was rather surprised when DStahl said that the Federation was supposed to only receive the Galaxy Refit in Season 2 and that the other 2 refitted ships where made "overnight" (his phrasing).
Either that was an overstatement or they can make refits in a very short time when they wish to do so.
Even if they need to be tested of course, but they seem to be able to do that.
For me personally this raises the question why they did not do something similar with the Vor'cha, a ship that literally screams "heavy disruptor beam cannon"?
This may very well be too short a conclusion and may be unfair, but my first thought when I read DStahl's post was "So they can make in Intepid with ablative generators and a cloaking Defiant overnight, but they can't add a Galaxy-X style beam cannon to a Vor'cha without weeks of thinking about it?"
Superchum, I very much respect your position, but I certainly hope you can find some merit in my statements as well.
Whatever.
The thing is - even if it is not a part of season 2 they are working to get them on the c-store wheras they should be for example working on a klingon counterpart for the gal x. But yeah no word from Cryptic on this topic. Took them one night to get the retrofit Defiant and Voyager ready.
How long can it take to build a Vor'cha when loads of Klings demand one?
The next thing the last line of yours. I always respected your statements and your posts. They were objective and reasonable. Dunno if ya have a bad day but such statement are unnecessary and insulting and I´m gonna report your post.
We are not 'crying' about cloaks ... We are beating the war drums because we are suppose to be an equal faction and .... as is the typical federation spirit we most commonly see ... we are thrown scraps from the table while trolled upon and lied to.
And yes ... a continuing string of false promises and not holding to the measure of your word = lies and lack of honor in my book.
You speak how I feel here. We are talking ships with base designs already in game.
And regarding the diplomatic corps .... They chose to work on something that can be used by only ONE faction and not something that can be used by both .... like an open PvP map.
I also found and continue to find that odd.
Let's face it, if they truly wanted to make things equal, I would be happy just seeing such that if three retros are released on one side, they are released on the other.
If they release something new in game that offers a whole new dimension to the game ... like diplomatic corps ... let it be something that at least both factions can play.
I love the fact that they are going with neutral factions for missions as these are missions we can all do ... and let's face it ... We are competing with the Federation not only in war, but also in bringing in new worlds and resources into the Empire.
This means we have diplomacy ..... even if ours break down sooner and we rattle the bat'leths to make the new member world fall into line.
You kind of killed the context of what I was talking about there. The quote about the rigellians and catians and pakleds was in reference to the Nebula and Excelsior. Neither of those ships are refits. It's a little easier to turn out a refit, because by it's very nature, the animation work is already well under way. New ships, like a Nebula, take longer because they have to be designed new. And aren't refits.
The poster I was talking to there was suggesting that the Nebula and Excelsior were part of season 2. The refits themselves were talked about back in 1.1. And took at least this long to get going into the game. Along with the "overnight success" of the animation/modeling/design work. (Because once the images were done, the slots and consoles and weapons loadouts had to be done).
The Rigellians were under way prior to patch 1.0. I know this because in the video they released for season 1.0 they showed a picture of an animator working on rigellians on-screen. You can see the little buggers right there in the video. But they took this long to get them finished and on the C-Store. Even though officers were available for your BOFFs.
The Catians are well documented about how long they took to get into the game.
So I don't think that poster is correct in the assumption that the Nebula and the Excelsior are part of season 2, patch 1. I don't think many of the things on the schedule of season 2 are going to be part of season 2, patch 1. Let alone the just announced Nebula and Excelsior.