It'll make it to the c-store eventually, just like most everything else.
What's more, people will still go for other 'exclusive' STO items even if they know it'll hit the c-store in a few months. Why? The exact same reasons gold selling and power levelling services are so popular. Some people want things now, not in five minutes, or an hour, or a day, or a week, or a fortnight, or a month, or a year, now. If they're willing to support a very dodgy million dollar industry just to cheat to get something now, they'll also happily pre a LTS or RAF a few more people or buy a taco just to get something now.
Whether any of us condone it or if it 'fits' into the universe is entirely irrelevant, all that matters to cryptic is will those who don't have it yet buy it once it hits the c-store. I think for the liberated borg captain the answer just might be yes.
I still like the idea of Lib Borg being a vet award around two years. That way the Pre LTM are the only ones to have them till the LTM pays it's self off. And then they will still be rare as only the long time players have them.
They were supposed to be exclusive to preorder lifer, and we must keep them exclusive. The lifers should deserve to have their exclusives.
We lifers get the benefit of paying far less than the monthly subscribers over time. That's the value and benefit of a LTS, not any fluff incentive that was attached to the LTS offer.
Put them into the C-Store to let everyone enjoy. Those funds can go toward further game development today, not 500 days from now.
Personally I feel that this may be the one item that got away since some of the LTS items for CO (Bonus armor for example) never made it to the C-Store. It may be the case with this one since Cryptic has made no mentions,hints or even notions that this would be a canadate for a C-Store item. At least the Pre-Order items were in the area of timed exclusive.
Masses of liberated Borg would be stupid since in Trek lore it is an increadibly "rare" occurance.
We don't need more borg wannabe's running around everywhere.
That reason alone is good enough not to add them.
Oh yes, and having tons of people running around in MU uniforms is way more plausible since clothing can be replicated without issue.
Star Base one looked like a pet shop the day the Caitians were released. Did you cry about Caitians being in the C-Store too?
All polls are done in this manner. they do not hand hold you to take a poll.
Since when is some random player made poll representative of the player base or of what Cryptic is going to do. The only polls that matter are polls they post themselves on these forums for registered members. If they want feedback from a poll, they have no reason to go to a third party site and make a random account.
Given what you have posted so far I guess your opinions and insinuations count as facts? Did you make the poll yourself? Do you have any evidence that user 2854070 is in any way, shape, or form connected to Cryptic? I guess they were getting too much feedback from their official polls they already have on their own website and they wanted to decrease it even more by keeping it obscure. It is truly fortunate that you are the one to bring it to our attention and use it to support your opinions. Here is my opinion. I hope they put a Liberated Borg for every race in the c-store, Borg parts in the alien creator, and I hope they make this Liberated Borg character pack 50% off the 1st week.
I also made a Polldaddy account and I was able set it up so others and I can vote over and over again on my own poll. Here is my poll and it is very trustworthy because I only voted a few times, but I fixed it so you cannot. I am not worried about the results I can vote as many times as I like.
We recently opened up the Liberated Borg to all Lifetime Subscribers at no additional charge. Before, it was only for pre-order lifetime purchasers, but now all players who have a Lifetime Subscription have access to that race in the character creation.
So it appears that the playable 'Liberated Borg' is staying out of the C-Store. You have to purchase a Lifetime Subscription to 'purchase' it...:p
(Now I wonder if anyone is going to organize a 'Liberated Borg' Fleet. Meetings could be held in the 'Captains Table'...)
Wow, I think that's pretty keen As a pre-order LT subscriber, I'm not miffed at all. I still get a discounted LT sub and two free character slots. It's a good incentive to re-add to LT subs.
That was a poll originally posted by the Grand.Nagus. Somewhere along the line I think picardalpha actually believed all those polls were officially sanctioned.
now that pretty much EVERYTHING went into the c-store, this one should too.
also the TR-116 and the (Steam) Phaser Sattelite Turret and the (Steam) Chromodynamic Armor and whatever else is missing.
I would prefer if everything would be unlockable inside the Game without paying money, but that is not the world we live in.
Do i want them on the C-Store or Avaible through other means? Yes
Would i start over and play as one? No, i do not want to play as an ugly Borg ;P
now that pretty much EVERYTHING went into the c-store, this one should too.....
Though in reality, Cryptic has little incentive to do so. The 'Liberated Borg' is primarily a 'status' character, with the Space Trait 'Efficient' available to other races, and 'Borg Nanites' and 'Borg Neural Blast' are amusing, but are by no means 'must have' features. As far as functionality goes, you could make a better space combat player character, or a better ground combat character by using 'Alien' or one of the races already in the C-Store.
And as a 'status' character, Cryptic can make more $$$ selling 'Lifetime Subscriptions' then putting it in the C-Store. And as the 'Galaxy-X' has already shown, there are players out there who are willing to pay the $$$ to purchase 'status' items...
I've had the Liberated Borg since the beginning. I support it going to the C-Store along with all the other bonus items. Let people buy what they want if it helps to make STO better.
Cryptic just has to make sure items of equal ability are available in-game so anyone purchasing items doesn't have an advantage.
I've had the Liberated Borg since the beginning. I support it going to the C-Store along with all the other bonus items. Let people buy what they want if it helps to make STO better.
Cryptic just has to make sure items of equal ability are available in-game so anyone purchasing items doesn't have an advantage.
This. Exactly, and entirely, this.
However, it would be preferable if they had those comparable items available in conjunction with or prior to the C-store release.
Actually as per a dev post I spotted a few days ago all lifetimers have had access to the liberated borg for a couple of weeks now, they just didn't announce it when they changed it. I'll see if I can find the post.
I will say over and over... NO STORE, but return it to the lifetime benefit. make some incentive to get people to pay 300 USD to stay with the game.
I agree to an extent but I honestly think they should of kept the lib borg to those who preordered. I guess is some way its nice they are just giving it to the rest of the lifers but never the less it should of been kept to the preorder.
All I have to say about this is.. look at this thread, like all the other exclusive items. There are more people who didnt get it and want it and know if they put up a thread, get a poll going and because there are only so few of us that have it and would say no to the idea.. there is more people to vote yes for the store option. I hate to say it but this thread has been bumped and people say yes and yes and sooner or later cryptic like all the other times will neg out and listen to them and say yep we can make a quick buck on this, lets do it, the support is there so be it. And bam its in cstore... and when that happens iam gone from this game because, with the galaxy x's all out there dosnt even feel that treky anymore, once the lib borg hits cstore itll feel alot worse.
Anyways thats what i think. I want it kept to those who grabbed the preorder of lifetime, but look...thats change now, and its for all lifers...its just a matter of time till it hits cstore.. i guarantee it :rolleyes:
I don't see a problem with giving it to the rest of the lifers, Its still limiting it to a small percentage of the population. I'd say no to the C-store to be honest though. Like the galaxy-X too many running around would be a bit offputting, with luck the X won't be such a problem when the other season 2 ships come around.
I Will have the Libarated Borg in the C-Store.
I Have no LTA Pre-Order and now is this one Item that is not possible to become.
The other Items are now also to by in the C-Store
Every time I have demanded, point defense consoles, red matter capacitors, tr116 rifles, and liberated Borg in the C-Store it was with my tongue in my cheek. Those pre-orders and life time packages were sold with the term exclusive attached and at least one item form each of those pre-orders and life time packages should remain exclusive at least for the near future. If you want them that bad most pre-order boxes are still available at a third of the price paid by early adopters. If you want a liberated Borg, I am willing to bet that it will be offered again in the future, hopefully as part of another life time package.
Since when is some random player made poll representative of the player base or of what Cryptic is going to do. The only polls that matter are polls they post themselves on these forums for registered members. If they want feedback from a poll, they have no reason to go to a third party site and make a random account.
Given what you have posted so far I guess your opinions and insinuations count as facts? Did you make the poll yourself? Do you have any evidence that user 2854070 is in any way, shape, or form connected to Cryptic? I guess they were getting too much feedback from their official polls they already have on their own website and they wanted to decrease it even more by keeping it obscure. It is truly fortunate that you are the one to bring it to our attention and use it to support your opinions. Here is my opinion. I hope they put a Liberated Borg for every race in the c-store, Borg parts in the alien creator, and I hope they make this Liberated Borg character pack 50% off the 1st week.
I also made a Polldaddy account and I was able set it up so others and I can vote over and over again on my own poll. Here is my poll and it is very trustworthy because I only voted a few times, but I fixed it so you cannot. I am not worried about the results I can vote as many times as I like.
1.I in no way had anything to do with the poll with the exception of voting and supporting it. The poll I was speaking of recorded only one vote per person.
2. You are insulting, the Liberated Borg Captain was a limited time Pre-launch LTS/ Investor exclusive, for placing faith in this title, and essentially paying for nothing with the hope it would Launch and be great.
It should never be added to the C-Store, If anything it should be tied to the current LTS, at the current price.
3. I document all my facts with corresponding links that reflect the proper "Cryptic" documentation. I would ask you to research before stating comments about my posts.
Thank you.
Understand I am with you on the no liberated Borg to the C-Store thing, but I sense that we have entirely different motivations. For me this all about matter of principle. The principle being that the word exclusive should mean something other than $$ to Cryptic.
I am going out on a limb here, but I could not help to notice that your writing style is nigh near robotic with little inflection, incredibly direct, and bears little to no subtlety. Then there is your avatar of Data, not a picture with texture, hue, nor a delicate play of shadows. No it's a simple line drawing clipped from a comic book, with simple coloration, and near no shadows. Whether by intent or motivation of the subconscious it's almost as if you looked for the most austere, detached, robotic representation of Soong's android you could possibly find.
Weren't you one of those people I claimed would have a reaction similar to mine when they found their precious was slated for the C-Store? I do remember how you thumped your chest over your triumph of bringing the MU Universe unies to us all, and how great it is that elitists would no longer be able to lord their tribble Rivs and other elitist paraphernalia over the masses. I am not angry over that but I was appalled by your utter lack of empathy for those who were, in your eyes, too foolish to research, or had a total lack of requisite reading comprehension skills, and were thus duped. You even laughed at us.
Given your writing style and your forum avatar it is no shock to me at all the the "next best thing" to a positronic man, the liberated Borg, would be your precious. In that regard we are similar, next to Picard who's balance I envied, Data was my favorite as I could empathize with his struggle to humanize himself, in contrast to my perceived need at that time to dehumanize myself.
Like I said I stand with you on this one, but I am entertained by how you have switched sides. I doubt you will respond to this, to my knowledge you have never responded to any of my missives, but I am delighted to have your powers of debate for the "keep it out" side this time. More for implicit rather than explicit reasons, but none the less delighted.
Understand I am with you on the no liberated Borg to the C-Store thing, but I sense that we have entirely different motivations. For me this all about matter of principle. The principle being that the word exclusive should mean something other than $$ to Cryptic.
I am going out on a limb here, but I could not help to notice that your writing style is nigh near robotic with little inflection, incredibly direct, and bears little to no subtlety. Then there is your avatar of Data, not a picture with texture, hue, nor a delicate play of shadows. No it's a simple line drawing clipped from a comic book, with simple coloration, and near no shadows. Whether by intent or motivation of the subconscious it's almost as if you looked for the most austere, detached, robotic representation of Soong's android you could possibly find.
Weren't you one of those people I claimed would have a reaction similar to mine when they found their precious was slated for the C-Store? I do remember how you thumped your chest over your triumph of bringing the MU Universe unies to us all, and how great it is that elitists would no longer be able to lord their tribble Rivs and other elitist paraphernalia over the masses. I am not angry over that but I was appalled by your utter lack of empathy for those who were, in your eyes, too foolish to research, or had a total lack of requisite reading comprehension skills, and were thus duped. You even laughed at us.
Given your writing style and your forum avatar it is no shock to me at all the the "next best thing" to a positronic man, the liberated Borg, would be your precious. In that regard we are similar, next to Picard who's balance I envied, Data was my favorite as I could empathize with his struggle to humanize himself, in contrast to my perceived need at that time to dehumanize myself.
Like I said I stand with you on this one, but I am entertained by how you have switched sides. I doubt you will respond to this, to my knowledge you have never responded to any of my missives, but I am delighted to have your powers of debate for the "keep it out" side this time. More for implicit rather than explicit reasons, but none the less delighted.
I thank you for your complimentary tone. My position as always been one of principle, This based on the facts stated, My position has not changed, it still is that the Liberated Borg Captain is a Pre-launch investor limited LTS exclsuive ( as per the wording of the offer.) The MU set were unique by type and not exclusivity (as per the CO documented offer), the pre-order exclusives that I bought multiple copies to obtain were later made exclusive per vendor and rightfully so. It was never stated that they would not be offered in the future. I would not wish to deprive future subscribers from iconic trek items.
I would not have as much issue as I have stated many times before, if the Liberated Borg Captain was made available with the current LTS offer. I further will point out the wording of the offer does not support attaching said item to any other offer, this is merely my opinion and a reasonable recommendation.
(I however do not advocate this recommendation, but merely state that it is more likely to see this item return as part of the LTS, than ever in the C-Store.)
You are correct in my selection of the Data avatar representation, I distance myself from emotion in my debate to focus on facts and documentation. I do apologize for not having empathy in the MU debate. I did not show that emotion, because my opposition was cold and disrespectful, and would have sighted my empathy as weakness on my position.
I agree fully and have the same opinion in regards to my favor to both Picard and Data, I grew accustomed to their character details and was impressed with both Picard' balance, Data's factual interpretation, and his lack of tact and humanity when in regard to factual information being presented.
I will continue due diligence with my debate and fact finding investigation for the benefit of the community, even if the facts do not represent my personal outlook on the subject matter.
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What's more, people will still go for other 'exclusive' STO items even if they know it'll hit the c-store in a few months. Why? The exact same reasons gold selling and power levelling services are so popular. Some people want things now, not in five minutes, or an hour, or a day, or a week, or a fortnight, or a month, or a year, now. If they're willing to support a very dodgy million dollar industry just to cheat to get something now, they'll also happily pre a LTS or RAF a few more people or buy a taco just to get something now.
Whether any of us condone it or if it 'fits' into the universe is entirely irrelevant, all that matters to cryptic is will those who don't have it yet buy it once it hits the c-store. I think for the liberated borg captain the answer just might be yes.
We lifers get the benefit of paying far less than the monthly subscribers over time. That's the value and benefit of a LTS, not any fluff incentive that was attached to the LTS offer.
Put them into the C-Store to let everyone enjoy. Those funds can go toward further game development today, not 500 days from now.
/10char
I second that!
I do agree. As for the rest of your post, well sometimes I can't resist the urge to nitpick.
Star Base one looked like a pet shop the day the Caitians were released. Did you cry about Caitians being in the C-Store too?
o and
/sign for Liberated Borg Captain in Cstore 1 more then anyone signing against it
I also made a Polldaddy account and I was able set it up so others and I can vote over and over again on my own poll. Here is my poll and it is very trustworthy because I only voted a few times, but I fixed it so you cannot. I am not worried about the results I can vote as many times as I like.
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Did picardalpha2clearance make the poll he posted about Liberated Borg in the c-store?
(Now I wonder if anyone is going to organize a 'Liberated Borg' Fleet. Meetings could be held in the 'Captains Table'...)
Thank you for giving the liberated Borg to all the lifers.
But i still hope it ends up in the Cstore
That was a poll originally posted by the Grand.Nagus. Somewhere along the line I think picardalpha actually believed all those polls were officially sanctioned.
Somebody did this a while ago, but it doesn't seem very active...
We Are Borg!!!
100% Liberated Borg 100% Lifetime Subscription members!
also the TR-116 and the (Steam) Phaser Sattelite Turret and the (Steam) Chromodynamic Armor and whatever else is missing.
I would prefer if everything would be unlockable inside the Game without paying money, but that is not the world we live in.
Do i want them on the C-Store or Avaible through other means? Yes
Would i start over and play as one? No, i do not want to play as an ugly Borg ;P
And as a 'status' character, Cryptic can make more $$$ selling 'Lifetime Subscriptions' then putting it in the C-Store. And as the 'Galaxy-X' has already shown, there are players out there who are willing to pay the $$$ to purchase 'status' items...
Cryptic just has to make sure items of equal ability are available in-game so anyone purchasing items doesn't have an advantage.
This. Exactly, and entirely, this.
However, it would be preferable if they had those comparable items available in conjunction with or prior to the C-store release.
I will say over and over... NO STORE, but return it to the lifetime benefit. make some incentive to get people to pay 300 USD to stay with the game.
Edit: Here it is Clicky
I agree to an extent but I honestly think they should of kept the lib borg to those who preordered. I guess is some way its nice they are just giving it to the rest of the lifers but never the less it should of been kept to the preorder.
All I have to say about this is.. look at this thread, like all the other exclusive items. There are more people who didnt get it and want it and know if they put up a thread, get a poll going and because there are only so few of us that have it and would say no to the idea.. there is more people to vote yes for the store option. I hate to say it but this thread has been bumped and people say yes and yes and sooner or later cryptic like all the other times will neg out and listen to them and say yep we can make a quick buck on this, lets do it, the support is there so be it. And bam its in cstore... and when that happens iam gone from this game because, with the galaxy x's all out there dosnt even feel that treky anymore, once the lib borg hits cstore itll feel alot worse.
Anyways thats what i think. I want it kept to those who grabbed the preorder of lifetime, but look...thats change now, and its for all lifers...its just a matter of time till it hits cstore.. i guarantee it :rolleyes:
PS: On the poll at the beggining of this thread I voted no to having is in the C-Store and i do not have a LTS
Every time I have demanded, point defense consoles, red matter capacitors, tr116 rifles, and liberated Borg in the C-Store it was with my tongue in my cheek. Those pre-orders and life time packages were sold with the term exclusive attached and at least one item form each of those pre-orders and life time packages should remain exclusive at least for the near future. If you want them that bad most pre-order boxes are still available at a third of the price paid by early adopters. If you want a liberated Borg, I am willing to bet that it will be offered again in the future, hopefully as part of another life time package.
1.I in no way had anything to do with the poll with the exception of voting and supporting it. The poll I was speaking of recorded only one vote per person.
2. You are insulting, the Liberated Borg Captain was a limited time Pre-launch LTS/ Investor exclusive, for placing faith in this title, and essentially paying for nothing with the hope it would Launch and be great.
It should never be added to the C-Store, If anything it should be tied to the current LTS, at the current price.
3. I document all my facts with corresponding links that reflect the proper "Cryptic" documentation. I would ask you to research before stating comments about my posts.
Thank you.
Understand I am with you on the no liberated Borg to the C-Store thing, but I sense that we have entirely different motivations. For me this all about matter of principle. The principle being that the word exclusive should mean something other than $$ to Cryptic.
I am going out on a limb here, but I could not help to notice that your writing style is nigh near robotic with little inflection, incredibly direct, and bears little to no subtlety. Then there is your avatar of Data, not a picture with texture, hue, nor a delicate play of shadows. No it's a simple line drawing clipped from a comic book, with simple coloration, and near no shadows. Whether by intent or motivation of the subconscious it's almost as if you looked for the most austere, detached, robotic representation of Soong's android you could possibly find.
Weren't you one of those people I claimed would have a reaction similar to mine when they found their precious was slated for the C-Store? I do remember how you thumped your chest over your triumph of bringing the MU Universe unies to us all, and how great it is that elitists would no longer be able to lord their tribble Rivs and other elitist paraphernalia over the masses. I am not angry over that but I was appalled by your utter lack of empathy for those who were, in your eyes, too foolish to research, or had a total lack of requisite reading comprehension skills, and were thus duped. You even laughed at us.
Given your writing style and your forum avatar it is no shock to me at all the the "next best thing" to a positronic man, the liberated Borg, would be your precious. In that regard we are similar, next to Picard who's balance I envied, Data was my favorite as I could empathize with his struggle to humanize himself, in contrast to my perceived need at that time to dehumanize myself.
Like I said I stand with you on this one, but I am entertained by how you have switched sides. I doubt you will respond to this, to my knowledge you have never responded to any of my missives, but I am delighted to have your powers of debate for the "keep it out" side this time. More for implicit rather than explicit reasons, but none the less delighted.
I thank you for your complimentary tone. My position as always been one of principle, This based on the facts stated, My position has not changed, it still is that the Liberated Borg Captain is a Pre-launch investor limited LTS exclsuive ( as per the wording of the offer.) The MU set were unique by type and not exclusivity (as per the CO documented offer), the pre-order exclusives that I bought multiple copies to obtain were later made exclusive per vendor and rightfully so. It was never stated that they would not be offered in the future. I would not wish to deprive future subscribers from iconic trek items.
I would not have as much issue as I have stated many times before, if the Liberated Borg Captain was made available with the current LTS offer. I further will point out the wording of the offer does not support attaching said item to any other offer, this is merely my opinion and a reasonable recommendation.
(I however do not advocate this recommendation, but merely state that it is more likely to see this item return as part of the LTS, than ever in the C-Store.)
You are correct in my selection of the Data avatar representation, I distance myself from emotion in my debate to focus on facts and documentation. I do apologize for not having empathy in the MU debate. I did not show that emotion, because my opposition was cold and disrespectful, and would have sighted my empathy as weakness on my position.
I agree fully and have the same opinion in regards to my favor to both Picard and Data, I grew accustomed to their character details and was impressed with both Picard' balance, Data's factual interpretation, and his lack of tact and humanity when in regard to factual information being presented.
I will continue due diligence with my debate and fact finding investigation for the benefit of the community, even if the facts do not represent my personal outlook on the subject matter.
Thank you. (piwright42)