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  • shaunklshaunkl Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    amosov78 wrote: »
    Okay fair enough, so which should they use for future/potential model fixes? Chronologically speaking, the six foot Enterprise-D model was the last one used on screen in Generations: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Galaxy_class_model#Use

    Four-footer, the Sixer is graceful but the four has a meaner, stockier, and more television-like appearance that would fit in better with STO imho.
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  • croesusxcroesusx Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'd love the Galaxy model to be redone, I think its terrible that the Enterprise C (Ambassador Class) looks WAY better than the Enterprise D (Galaxy) which served 7 seasons and a movie. I'd even pay for a redo! Where's the love Cryptic!?

    That goes for the Sovereign and Intrepid. The Sov is close but not great and the Intrepid just sucks balls. I've tried to get the devs to look at this before but they obviously can't be bothered.
  • dan6526dan6526 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I realize the ship I'm about to mention is not really a high-end ship, but it needs redoing.

    Constitution-class Refit... It looks only reminiscent of the Connie-R. But think of it like this. If you fix her up, you can use the nacelles on the Miranda, and then on a possible Constellation-class. There are possibilities. The nacelles outward sides never glow. The interior ones lit up blue only when warp-drive was engaged - now I'd offer a compromise in letting us decide if we want them to glow or not like you gave us with the Oberth.

    I realize that the Miranda, Connie, and Constellation class ships will most likely never, ever, be end-game ships... which is fine; but show that era of ships some love plz!

    Also... me... want... Ent-A bridge... Excelsior (variation on Ent-A) and Ent-B Bridges as part of a bridge pack!!! Give us the glorious TOS Movie era bridges, they were superior to all others (except for the neat stained hard-wood console for tactical on the Ent-D).
  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm not so sure if this belongs into this thread, so if not please apologize.

    I really like the Regent Class Model, but i find it sad that it doesn't really fit with some other Assault Cruiser ship parts. Before the Regent was released, i was quarreling with the availlable assault cruiser ship parts (for years), because i couldn't find a pleasing (for me) ship parts combination. Now that we have some of the really gorgeous looking regent ship parts i find it really sad that they are mostly incompatible with the other availlable assault cruiser ship parts, especially when it comes to the Regents neck, engineering hull and the pylons (which i like the most).

    What bothers me is that when using the Regent Hull and other model necks the Back of the Engineering hull looks really bad. But also i understand this would be hard to do.

    The worst thing that bothers mme is when using the Regent Hull and the regent Neck, some saucers are just deplaced, like the Majestic saucer for example.

    Here Regent Saucer + Regent Neck + Regent Engineering hull:
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    Majestic Saucer + regent Neck + Regent Engineering Hull:
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    As you can see, the Saucer is to way too much to the rear. This is just a example, Noble and Sovereign Class Saucers have the same Problem. So the whole ship looks jolted (i hope that's the right word).
    I think it wouldn't be very hard to re-place the Majestic, Noble and Sovereign saucers a bit more to the front, when combinded with the Regent Neck.
    I'm just a layman but i cannot imagine this could take longer than fifteen minutes.

    I really hope that some friendly Dev takes a couple of minutes to fix this little problem, i would really appreciate if this could be done, i think it would help really to make this ship have finally some really nice looking alternatives.


    EDIT:
    Just as a reference, when using the Majestic or Sovereign Neck, the Regents Engineering hull looks like THIS:
    Sovereign Neck:
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    Majestic Neck:
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    I hope clearly visible, the Engineering hulls "strouts" are just choped off, which looks really bad. If not, just try it out in game and you will se what i am talking about.

    Btw: Noble Class Neck looks just as bad, so devs pretty please fix the saucer position, when using the Regents neck.
    Otherwise there is almost no good looking combination where the Regent Hull could be used with other Assault Cruiser variants, which is a shame IMHO.



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  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    i guess this belongs here too....

    picture is self explaining

    *click to enlarge*

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    plz fix asap
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    croesusx wrote: »
    I'd love the Galaxy model to be redone, I think its terrible that the Enterprise C (Ambassador Class) looks WAY better than the Enterprise D (Galaxy) which served 7 seasons and a movie. I'd even pay for a redo! Where's the love Cryptic!?

    That goes for the Sovereign and Intrepid. The Sov is close but not great and the Intrepid just sucks balls. I've tried to get the devs to look at this before but they obviously can't be bothered.

    I totally agree. I would pay again for a fix of this ship's model.

    And as for the Sovereign, check out my other thread in this forum, called "STO'S Terrible Ship Models". It features a brief assortment of most visible ship problems from the Sovvie, Galaxy, and Galaxy-X.
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  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    shaunkl wrote: »
    Four-footer, the Sixer is graceful but the four has a meaner, stockier, and more television-like appearance that would fit in better with STO imho.
    I always found that the 4-footer model to be extremely ugly. (sorry)
    It's pockmarked surface doesn't suit to the Galaxys gorgeous lines at all.

    But as long as we could keep the six-footer or the remasterd version, i am all for it!
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,893 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I wasn't sure if I needed a ss since it wasn't a big error but rather just something perhaps forgotten, but from what I can tell the Rademaker saucer only displays a registry number and no name.
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  • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    The Kar'Fi battle carrier's Fer'Jai frigates and S'Kul fighters are leaving blue ion trails beneath the fire trails. Shouldn't those be red? :confused:

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  • stev020stev020 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Hello. I know this isnt much of model errors and such but i cannot post any threads yet so i have come here to ask.

    I am having issues with the base power for all my systems. i have an advanced heavy cruiser and the base power should not be 50. my starship moves slower than a shuttlecraft at full impulse. Is there any way you can assit or know of someone who can assist?
  • morkargh117morkargh117 Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I think now that the Romulan faction has been announced its time to look at the existing Romulan ships really hard. I would like to see the D'deridex and Mogai classes truly be as good as can be and right now both aren't quite right.

    The Mogai/Valdore nose should be pointier, some detailing is off and the cannons and beams should fire from the weapon ports on the wings...not from the tips of the nacelles.

    The D'deridex has its windows inaccurately placed, wonky detailed on the back of the head and neck.

    http://theinfininte.wdfiles.com/local--files/reman-d-deridex-class-warbird/stti_reman_warbird.jpg

    The nacelles aren't right either. And it could use more fine tuning.

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    Not to mention the underside and some areas have those awful escape pods with the red dots, those have got to go.
  • morkargh117morkargh117 Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    From the looks of the newly released screens the D'deridex has been fixed, the only issue left is now the neck may be too short...but its hard to tell without having seen more angles of the redone version of the ship...it looks leagues better though.

    I would love to see the Mogai get a similar upgrade.
  • asardetemplariasardetemplari Member Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Is the phased polaron beam array supposed to sound like a phaser and look like a purple phaser as well? I figured it would have been more of a darker polaron?
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  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    From the looks of the newly released screens the D'deridex has been fixed, the only issue left is now the neck may be too short...but its hard to tell without having seen more angles of the redone version of the ship...it looks leagues better though.

    I would love to see the Mogai get a similar upgrade.

    All of the recently released images of the Mogai-class are of its new model. Here's the original in-game one: Old Mogai 1 and Old Mogai 2; here's the new version: New Mogai 1 & New Mogai 2.
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  • morkargh117morkargh117 Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    amosov78 wrote: »
    All of the recently released images of the Mogai-class are of its new model. Here's the original in-game one: Old Mogai 1 and Old Mogai 2; here's the new version: New Mogai 1 & New Mogai 2.

    Yeah it looks loads better now, though the green visor on the beak should be black...its glowing green now which it never did in Nemesis.

    I still want to put emphasis on the D'deridex windows though, they aren't very good right now and are invisible at anything but close range...resulting in the ship looking very plain at anything but being zoomed in fully.
  • arvistaljikarvistaljik Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Tier 2 Heavy Escort Refit (Thunderchild Class) has windows missing on underside of the saucer section.

    It appears that it should have 3 decks of windows on the ventral hull aft of the deflector, much like the Akira, but only the bottom row and badly partial middle row can be seen due to model clipping.
  • thechugsterthechugster Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    shaunkl wrote: »

    A quick example being (yes I know it's a different game, but the idea is the same) Bridge Commander. Two very very good models for the Galaxy are Wiley Coyote's Six-Foot Based Generations Model and C2X's more four-foot based Galaxy.

    do you have a link to the first model, i couldnt find that one on the site
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  • morkargh117morkargh117 Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited April 2013
  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The second nacelle option is available on the Yamaguchi Fleet ship version.
  • morkargh117morkargh117 Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    umaeko wrote: »
    The second nacelle option is available on the Yamaguchi Fleet ship version.

    I just noticed that, never mind that issue then.
  • zobifgoszobifgos Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Hi.
    I have 8 active bridge officers (i bought 2 slots with zen) but only 7 bridge officers appear.
    I switched to the original Odyssey bridge and they all appear normally. But when i switch back to the Aquarius bridge one is missing.
    Also the bridge is relatively empty. A ship that size should have more crowded bridge,
    and not have so many empty consoles.
    Does anybody now why? It's a bug, or it's something wrong from my end?\
    Thanks
  • zarxidejackozarxidejacko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Can we have Bortasqu' Fleet hull material please ? Lets say to get it you have to buy standart bortas.

    I really love this material and i bet it will look perfect on monster such as Bortas

    And fleet windows with awesome double red light escape pods please <3

    Also Fleet and normal Hoh'sus lacks veteran hull material.
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  • jharrimanjharriman Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Can we have the hull damage updated? So it looks more realistic? perhaps have it on levels.
    Like you see force fields, some can have fire. some can have a exploding chain. (hull breach in one place and a explosion across the hull). And most importantly IT NOT REGENERATE! its a starfleet ship not a borg ship! should go to Dry dock or starbase where worker bees fix it
  • jer5488jer5488 Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I know model updates really aren't on the devs list of priorities - so ignoring model fixes - I would really, really like to see the Sovereign class and her sisters given hull decals. The starfleet arrow, red stripes, etc - as seen in the movies.
  • danieluniversaldanieluniversal Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Greathings! The gaming is becaming more and more awesome with time! and a beauty concept art image, but I'm wandering if we will ever guet the ships from the 1st previews of the game and the old concept arts? Those really different or something linke the new enterprise, and that "kan vessel" of the new movie.... ships linke the ones in this images down the post, that are really unique, fat from the usual designs founded in the vessels that we have now...
    Yes, I do like a lot nthe ones that we have now, like the Odyssey, Imperial, Armitage and other ones, but would be different guet some ships like those, more uniques.
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  • bridgernbridgern Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I totaly agree a lot of the Federation ships needs a facelift so they actually look like they did in the show, for example:

    Galaxy, Sovereign, Defiant and Intrepid class and many other but there is one ship that looks not even close how she looked in the game it is hated but I would love to see the a canon Olymic class in the game and not this.

    By the way can we please also have the real Nebula class that is basing on the studio model and not this let us save money thing and just rearrange what we have from the Galaxy class because those ships are different.

    http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110728202510/memoryalpha/en/images/5/54/Nebula_class_studio_model_after_refurbishment.jpg

    JamJamz and his team are doing a brilliant job in creating canon ships like the Ambassador class please give him the task to rework the existing ships.
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  • giannicampanellagiannicampanella Member Posts: 424 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Greathings! The gaming is becaming more and more awesome with time! and a beauty concept art image, but I'm wandering if we will ever guet the ships from the 1st previews of the game and the old concept arts? Those really different or something linke the new enterprise, and that "kan vessel" of the new movie.... ships linke the ones in this images down the post, that are really unique, fat from the usual designs founded in the vessels that we have now...
    Yes, I do like a lot nthe ones that we have now, like the Odyssey, Imperial, Armitage and other ones, but would be different guet some ships like those, more uniques.
    Links:
    ( http://gaming.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/startrekonline/conceptart/starship-a-color.jpg )
    ( http://www.suricatafx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/peships1.jpg )
    ( http://www.suricatafx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/space11.jpg )
    ( http://www.suricatafx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/intscreenbq51.jpg )

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  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    There's some great new shots of the CGI Intrepid-class starship over on Trekcore here, might be good as another reference.
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  • pweistheworstpweistheworst Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    This has come up in other threads but it's worth mentioning here in the model error and feedback thread:

    ALL ships should have the ability to display your fleet logo/badge in the customization options (the ship tailor).

    I don't care if I'm commanding a Ferengi D'Kora or a Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer ... if I want to have my fleet logo painted on the side of my ship then it should show up.

    I really don't see why some ships have this option and others don't. It's not even consistent between lockbox ships and C-store ships.

    Bottom line, ALL ships should be able to display the player's fleet logo.
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  • captz1ppcaptz1pp Member Posts: 931 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I have two ship ideas.

    1. A modern skin for the D'kyr class, the Ent series had Vulcan ships of the period with one ring around them, Daniels display showed a three ringed ship, the logical step would be a Venn diagram shape.

    2. The Varanus should be replaced with something that has a Tuatara or Balaur style fuselage.

    Edit, re-make the battle damage when your ships skin gets at half health, as well as its borgified appearance so its not symmetrical.

    One more thing is aside from a Romulan fightercraft, should the Feds get a new one to replace the Peregrine?
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