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Blackavaar's Guide to Canon Colors

Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
edited April 2015 in The Academy
In order to help the community get that canon look I developed this guide. I hope you find it useful. Enjoy!

Index:

The Canon Uniforms have been moved to their own page in order to make room for future additions. Click on the Canon Uniforms link in the Index above to go to that page.

Notice that I've labeled these as per the usual positions the colors were used to designate in the shows and movies, not by the generalized Tactical, Engineering and Science careers they are used to designate in game.

Note: Due to limited color choices and lack of certain details, these uniforms may not appear perfectly accurate with canon. However, within the constraints of the game, they are as close as you can possibly get. All uniforms have been tested in various lighting environments in the game in order to insure the most accurate color choices possible.

For those that crave more accuracy, I use a Dell E198WFP Monitor with the Color preset Normal. My Color Profile is sRGB IEC61966-2.1. These are the standard settings for most PCs and Monitors.

Enjoy!

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    This looks good. I like the attention to the blue-green variants.

    I don't know if you feel like doing more voluntary work, but here's an idea for presentation of the 24th century uniforms:

    Since most of the uniforms use the same shades you could add an image with a shot of just the palette, and the colors highlighted saying "this is command red," for example. All the 24th century colors are the same in your uniforms, except the blue-greens, and even then you only use two shades in the uniforms. The blacks and greys are also all the same, it looks like.

    The combadges (and pips) are also naturally all the same, so a shot with the two combadges and their colors by themselves would be cool.

    This is an awesome post, and very well done, I just think it would also be cool to have a single pic with everything on it, a one-glance reference guide.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Nice stuff, though I have a couple of questions...

    Why do you have the Voyager rank pips as silver, rather than gold as you have the DS9 and TNG pips? They used the same pips on Voyager as they did on the other shows.

    Why do you have the TOS rank braid as silver? Unlike the insignia, the braid's colour can be changed. While it has a golden sheen to it that's built in, the overall colour is till determined by your choice, and your setting here looks quite silver (both in your examples and in my in-game testing), while the braiding in the series was gold.

    For most grey and black parts, I tend to use the bottom line (true neutral greyscale) rather than the second line up (cool greyscale on left, warm greyscale on right).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    actually for the TNG Movie / late DS9 Uniforms there is a little confusion on my part.

    Sometimes they are shown clearly as Grey (what you did)
    but in the movies they often seem more dark blue-purple-gey-ish

    some pics to compare:

    http://images.sabob.com/products/images/1/Deluxe_Deep_Space_Nine_Star_Trek_Uniform_Red_Shirt.jpeg
    http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/Linnear1701/Blog%20Photos/Data.jpg
    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Lifeandhealth/Pix/pictures/2009/4/23/1240485483740/Star-Trek-fashion-Michael-006.jpg
    http://img.trekmovie.com/images/merchandise/tng_movies_bd/shots/nemesis_35.jpg
    http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/d/de/Miles_O%27Brien,_2375.jpg/292px-Miles_O%27Brien,_2375.jpg


    i would realy appriciate if the color's would be set to the default color by the game the first time you selct another uniform.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Felderburg wrote: »
    This looks good. I like the attention to the blue-green variants.

    I don't know if you feel like doing more voluntary work, but here's an idea for presentation of the 24th century uniforms:

    Since most of the uniforms use the same shades you could add an image with a shot of just the palette, and the colors highlighted saying "this is command red," for example. All the 24th century colors are the same in your uniforms, except the blue-greens, and even then you only use two shades in the uniforms. The blacks and greys are also all the same, it looks like.

    The combadges (and pips) are also naturally all the same, so a shot with the two combadges and their colors by themselves would be cool.

    This is an awesome post, and very well done, I just think it would also be cool to have a single pic with everything on it, a one-glance reference guide.

    Thank you. I'll think about that for a future update.
    Grydan wrote: »
    Nice stuff, though I have a couple of questions...

    Why do you have the Voyager rank pips as silver, rather than gold as you have the DS9 and TNG pips? They used the same pips on Voyager as they did on the other shows.

    Why do you have the TOS rank braid as silver? Unlike the insignia, the braid's colour can be changed. While it has a golden sheen to it that's built in, the overall colour is till determined by your choice, and your setting here looks quite silver (both in your examples and in my in-game testing), while the braiding in the series was gold.

    For most grey and black parts, I tend to use the bottom line (true neutral greyscale) rather than the second line up (cool greyscale on left, warm greyscale on right).

    Because the Voyager pips are more silver than gold. I've been watching a lot Voyager recently and I noticed that their pips look like white gold. Since there is not an appropriate silver with a gold sheen I find silver looks more accurate. If these pips were done like the TOS rank stripes they would look perfect.

    Actually the silver with the gold sheen looks more accurate to me, since in many of the TOS episodes the stripes appear a more faded gold, as if the uniforms were being washed too often.

    And the cool gray looks more accurate to me. It works better with the different lighting effects in the game, taking on the proper tones at the proper time.

    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
    actually for the TNG Movie / late DS9 Uniforms there is a little confusion on my part.

    Sometimes they are shown clearly as Grey (what you did)
    but in the movies they often seem more dark blue-purple-gey-ish

    some pics to compare:

    http://images.sabob.com/products/images/1/Deluxe_Deep_Space_Nine_Star_Trek_Uniform_Red_Shirt.jpeg
    http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/Linnear1701/Blog%20Photos/Data.jpg
    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Lifeandhealth/Pix/pictures/2009/4/23/1240485483740/Star-Trek-fashion-Michael-006.jpg
    http://img.trekmovie.com/images/merchandise/tng_movies_bd/shots/nemesis_35.jpg
    http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/d/de/Miles_O%27Brien,_2375.jpg/292px-Miles_O%27Brien,_2375.jpg


    i would realy appriciate if the color's would be set to the default color by the game the first time you selct another uniform.

    Those are an effect of the lighting. As mentioned above I think the cool gray I've chosen works best with the lighting in the game.

    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Very cool, been struggling to match the colors. One thing though -
    for the "Science team blue" and "Medical Blue-green variant" under the TNG section, you have both of them circled for the same shade of blue on the color picker. It's marked right on the TNG Movie version, just a little goof on the TNG regular section.
    Thanks for putting the time in for this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Did you know that actually the TOS "gold" was greenish? The lighting and film stock resulted in it appearing goldish on screen.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniforms

    Yes. Chartreuse. Really. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Well done.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I'm not really sure they had the colors tied to duty in TOS, or at least, the first season. I've been laid up sick the last few days and have been watching my recently arrived TOS series collection. Just finished the first season. Some eipsodes Uhura will be wearing a red uniform and in others a gold one. In Space Seed, the woman playing the historian officer wears a red uniform. Seems to me history would be under the sciences branch, not security. Some crewmembers would even be wearing a jumpsuit like uni, thiough they seemed to most often be involved in physical labor while doing so. Must be a more work related uni, like a fatigue, than the standard one. Maybe they became more formal with uniform codes in later seasons.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thank you very much for this Blackavaar!

    I have problems correctly seeing red/green, so as you can imagine I've had an extremely difficult time getting my characters' and bridge officers' uniform colors right. I'll be using your guide to fix everyone's uniforms over the next week or so.

    So thank you again Blackavaar.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Terral wrote:
    Very cool, been struggling to match the colors. One thing though -
    for the "Science team blue" and "Medical Blue-green variant" under the TNG section, you have both of them circled for the same shade of blue on the color picker. It's marked right on the TNG Movie version, just a little goof on the TNG regular section.
    Thanks for putting the time in for this.

    I'll fix that shortly. Edit: That problem is now fixed.
    Minston wrote: »
    Did you know that actually the TOS "gold" was greenish? The lighting and film stock resulted in it appearing goldish on screen.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniforms

    Yes. Chartreuse. Really. :D

    I know. That's why I included the Captain's Variant Green.
    Thank you very much for this Blackavaar!

    I have problems correctly seeing red/green, so as you can imagine I've had an extremely difficult time getting my characters' and bridge officers' uniform colors right. I'll be using your guide to fix everyone's uniforms over the next week or so.

    So thank you again Blackavaar.

    You're very welcome.

    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Apparently I also have a problem distinguishing blue and green. I've never, during all the years of watching DS9 and VOY, noticed a difference in the science/medical uniforms.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kinthok wrote: »
    Apparently I also have a problem distinguishing blue and green. I've never, during all the years of watching DS9 and VOY, noticed a difference in the science/medical uniforms.

    There is a slight difference. You can see it in the Memory Alpha Article: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniforms Check the Sciences section.

    The article seems to indicate, however, that the change was time based. The article on this era also confirms that: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(2366-2370s)#Type_B
    That article also states, interestingly, that the yellows for operations and security were slightly different.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    anyway to get this stickied to the top of the forum?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Blackavaar wrote: »

    I know. That's why I included the Captain's Variant Green.

    Wasn't criticising, was just something I found interesting. I never really saw them as anything but gold (actually, now that I'm watching the remastered episodes, in some of them you CAN tell), and they did change it to gold eventually when that's what everyone was seeing anyway. There were also some beige turtleneck-style tops in the earliest "filmed" episodes apparently (Where No Man Has Gone Before for example). I'm actually writing a blog, reviewing each episode as I watch them, so its kinda interesting to see the differences between episodes.

    Keep up the great work!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    rayvenwing wrote: »
    anyway to get this stickied to the top of the forum?

    Maybe. We'll have to see if any of the mods like it enough to do that.

    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Minston wrote: »
    Wasn't criticising, was just something I found interesting. I never really saw them as anything but gold (actually, now that I'm watching the remastered episodes, in some of them you CAN tell), and they did change it to gold eventually when that's what everyone was seeing anyway. There were also some beige turtleneck-style tops in the earliest "filmed" episodes apparently (Where No Man Has Gone Before for example). I'm actually writing a blog, reviewing each episode as I watch them, so its kinda interesting to see the differences between episodes.

    Keep up the great work!

    Thanks! I will.

    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I am working on a single image version of the guide now. I will post it here as soon as I am finished.

    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Felderburg wrote: »
    There is a slight difference. You can see it in the Memory Alpha Article: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniforms Check the Sciences section.

    The article seems to indicate, however, that the change was time based. The article on this era also confirms that: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(2366-2370s)#Type_B
    That article also states, interestingly, that the yellows for operations and security were slightly different.

    I neither see the difference nor do I find any reference to the blue/green distinction in the articles you linked. All it says is that the DS9/VOY science uniform (referred to as Type B) was called blue but was actually a shade of green. It's comprehensively referred to as sciences uniform and, telling from the pictures tacitly includes medical staff. So clearly, there's no distinction. Am I the only one to think so?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kinthok wrote: »
    I neither see the difference nor do I find any reference to the blue/green distinction in the articles you linked. All it says is that the DS9/VOY science uniform (referred to as Type B) was called blue but was actually a shade of green. It's comprehensively referred to as sciences uniform and, telling from the pictures tacitly includes medical staff. So clearly, there's no distinction. Am I the only one to think so?

    TNG, and to some extent DS9, made no distinction with the colour of the uniforms. Doctor Crusher's uniform appears to be actually blue rather than blue/green: Medical 1, Medical 2 and Medical 3. But another doctor seen in the show wears the blue/green version: Medical 4. Then there were some uniforms seen for other science divisions where they appear to be the blue/green colour uniforms: Science.

    The best thing to do is just pick the colour you like most and run with it :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    And I finished the wallpaper.

    I added it to the OP as well.

    Enjoy!


    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    This really should be stickied. I wanted to match the colors of my outfit and knew this post was here but since there was an influx of people not playing STO and playing the forums, this topic got buried. Its really useful for those wanting to make their uniforms authentic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    And thank you so much for making this. Its one of the most useful topics on here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Desdecardo wrote: »
    And thank you so much for making this. Its one of the most useful topics on here.

    Thank you! I'm glad you like it.

    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    you realize the WoK uniforms also had red gold blue and green turtlenecks and trim also
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    By the way, just got done using this to alter the colors of my Boff's uniforms, and while saving some screenshots I realized that no matter what i did, that color picker UI wouldn't show up in the screenshot. Mind telling me how you did that? Was it an external program like Fraps? Trying to figure out which hair color matches an RGB value and I thought that screenshotting that UI might help.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    rayvenwing wrote: »
    you realize the WoK uniforms also had red gold blue and green turtlenecks and trim also

    I only modeled the versions that appeared in the Wrath of Khan film. For some reason I can't remember the variants you are describing from the movies. I'll have to go back and watch them again.
    Terral wrote:
    By the way, just got done using this to alter the colors of my Boff's uniforms, and while saving some screenshots I realized that no matter what i did, that color picker UI wouldn't show up in the screenshot. Mind telling me how you did that? Was it an external program like Fraps? Trying to figure out which hair color matches an RGB value and I thought that screenshotting that UI might help.

    Type /screenshot_UI and press Enter. Voila!

    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Amosov wrote:
    TNG, and to some extent DS9, made no distinction with the colour of the uniforms. Doctor Crusher's uniform appears to be actually blue rather than blue/green: Medical 1, Medical 2 and Medical 3. But another doctor seen in the show wears the blue/green version: Medical 4. Then there were some uniforms seen for other science divisions where they appear to be the blue/green colour uniforms: Science.

    The best thing to do is just pick the colour you like most and run with it :)

    But I was talking about the later uniforms with the colored shoulders, not Dr. Crusher's.

    Seriously, am I the only one who thinks this is wrong?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Blackavaar wrote: »

    Type /screenshot_UI and press Enter. Voila!

    :cool:
    :( when I use "Screenshot_UI", it doesn't capture the selection boxes, just the blue editing background and the character I'm editing. just "Screenshot" captures my captain standing in front of the tailor.

    Oh well, i'll keep trying. Thanks for answering.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kinthok wrote: »
    But I was talking about the later uniforms with the colored shoulders, not Dr. Crusher's.

    Seriously, am I the only one who thinks this is wrong?

    I've noticed these differences in episodes of Voyager and DS9 from time to time. There is no clear reason why there is a difference in the shades of blue, but there is a difference. Just use the color you prefer and leave it at that.

    Personally I like being able to easily identify my Medical Officer from my Science Officer at a glance.




    By the way, how do you all like the wallpaper version I made? Is it easy enough to read? Could I make any improvements? Let me know.

    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Terral wrote:
    :( when I use "Screenshot_UI", it doesn't capture the selection boxes, just the blue editing background and the character I'm editing. just "Screenshot" captures my captain standing in front of the tailor.

    Oh well, i'll keep trying. Thanks for answering.

    When you use /screenshot_UI it will save the image to your screenshot folder as a .tga. You will have to open it using something like Photoshop or Paint and then Save As a .jpg so that you can view it as a normal image. This will insure that you get a complete shot with all of the UI, instead of just parts of it.


    :cool:
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