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Seriously why is it that us ladies can only play two premade races. Sure the klingon races arn't "human" looking. So what Cryptic is saying is that if a race isn't "hot, sexy, or humanlike" then we can't play them? They even said they won't work on a female Gorn avatar! What is it with devs these days and not creating equal female avatars with male counterparts. In the years since I started playing MMOs I've noticed the female population grow so why is it that we're treated like second-class gamers. Its as if Cryptic is saying "girls won't play PvP, so we don't need to worry about female avatars for the KDF."
Honestly there should be female avatars for all races. I'm stuck playing Klingon, Orion, and random creatures. Please cryptic show us you believe in equality.
Honestly there should be female avatars for all races. I'm stuck playing Klingon, Orion, and random creatures. Please cryptic show us you believe in equality.
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I usually play male characters, but I agree its getting stale to see the same 2 females over and over again, with a lack of clothing options that makes them look alike even more.
Sure, there have never been female Nausicaans and Letheans on screen, but I also can't remember seeing female Tellarites and they are available.
Its not that Cryptic hates Klingons - hates females etc.. - its that they as a company failed to provide a fully fleshed out faction - the first company to ever release 1.5 faction game - and we see how well that went for them.
THe general state of their armor is rediculous and as you say if it isn't Hot it isn't an option
The DEVS made alot of mistakes but the school-boy 'it's got to be sexy' mentality shown is even worse. This problem is on my klingon Problem thread so please sign the thread so we can keep it on the front page and eventually get some sort of responce
Cryptic doesn't "hate" Klingons as much as they ignore them in an incompetent sort of way. Klingons are a 3rd world faction, and like most of the 3rd world they are ignored until there is a crises.
But yes it needs a whole lot of work.
Unless you choose alien female you cant even remove the ugly collar.
It's just not practical for them to spend a bunch of time and money developing art and models that a tiny handful of players might use, particularly when most players at this point have already maxed out their available character slots and so new characters are relatively few and far between.
This is not about equality. It's about the fact that art is a time-consuming process, and almost nobody is asking for more female character models (including female players, who also are historically uninterested in playing ugly character models). I respect the fact that you want this, but it's important to understand how much in the minority your opinion is.
The difference in available character customization between Fed and Klingon factions has INCREASED since release of the game. Yes, Klingons got a tiny bit more customization, but the Feds got a ton more - playable species, off duty clothes, TOS skirts, etc. Using this as a measure, some would say that the situation has gotten worse.
This totally explains the female Tellarite avatar.
Content is easily added at this stage, most of the models, stats, etc. are in the game. Maybe they're reserving a lot for the Season 2 patch? One thing is certain tho, I've spoken to a lot of peeps and they're willing to sit out the ride 'till Season 2 patch. If that one goes bonkers also then I think a lot of the active community will wave STO bye bye. I'd personally hate to see that happen but after playing Age of Conan and Warhammer Online... well let's just say that nothing would surprise me anymore and I've learned to keep my hopes low in the world of MMOs.
My first thought when I regocnized that STO is coming was: I will be one of the Duras Sisters!
Then I read ... naa we dont spent much time on Klingons, nobody wants to play them ..:mad:
and finally I have to run around in Dessous! disgusting.:eek: If we could only wear the body amor...
And i would love to play a female Gorn.
Wuh?
The Klingon female uniform options are TRIBBLE-ugly. The cutout armor just looks stupid, those silly worthless collars are crappy, the shoulderpads don't make any sense at all and look ugly, and even the armored corset is kinda meh. Also with the giant Ug boots.
In another vein, I'd like to see some skins given to us for our ships, so we can have a Cruiser with Nausicaan, Orion, Gorn or even Lethean flair. That way we feel more like the captain of the ship from which faction our character draws from. Uniform options suit this as well. The other races are part of the Klingon empire, but that doesn't make them Klingon either.
I wasn't comparing KDF to Fed stuff. That is entirely pointless.
I can't say I play characters generally seen as 'sexy' or 'pretty'. If I want sexy pretty characters, I can go to Second Life and open a lab dance bar or something. Star Trek isn't about being pretty. I can imagine in a scifi setting, the demand for more exotic looking aliens, especially 'monster' looks, would get some more attention. I mean, the demand is there, Gorn seem very popular and they are the species that mostly qualifies as 'monster looks'.
I play a Lethean because he looks canon. From my favourite species (those available in the game), Letheans are the closest to canon. Ferengi have wrong traits and don't belong in the Fed faction; Nausicaans simply look wrong and the super-limited customization doesn't let me make them look right. Not even close to right.
My long-time roleplay character is a female half-Nausicaan, yet I can't even make that with the alien creator because the teeth aren't there for female. Same for Lethean. I really looked foreward to play her, but alas, won't happen. No Nausicaan Raider for me, no Nausicaan teeth for me, no Nausicaan hair for me, no uniform that doesn't scream KDF Walmart for me. 2 years working out a roleplay character, detailed Nausicaan culture, pirate codex, language... just to not be able to use it in the game.
I see how the general tone of STO appeals to the 'typical Star Trek roleplayer'. Everyone wants to be a captain; in every forum, every magazine, you see the ads of yet another forum or mailing list roleplay setting, and its always a Starfleet Captain, always looking for a crew, and best this yet-to-be-found crew is human, Vulcan or some other popular Fed species.
Its no surprise that the KDF players - who obviously don't fit into this typical Trek roleplayer profile - are unhappy.
I will agree that the gap on level of customization between KDF and Federation player characters has gotten WORSE since the game went live.
I mean, if the devs want to slow down the amount of PvP going on, at least give us options to look good while we sit around doing squat.
Really, WTH is up with that?
PC models need a bit more size and movement flexibility... but wouldn't it have made more sense to design the bits for that in the first place?
Swordmasters use those coats and the can do every move I can do. And clipping: Klingons just have 2 kinds of clothes (women just 1) and one of them the swordmaster wears, so the coat should work at last for 50%
Speaking of the eyepatches, I could swear they were selectable in beta at some point.
I hereby withdraw my statement that I understand some NPC clothes would need work.
Most of the Emotes just use Arms. That shouldnt be the Problems.
Swordmasters are Sitting and using some Emotes at Quo'nos, look at the NPCs.
The only Empotes wich mitght not work are the Dances. My Character is not a Dancer. So I'd change all dances against that fracking Coat!
Clothes are basically just textures tbh. The devs can't use the excuse that they need to redo the entire clothing article to fit with the emotes because it's based on the skeletal movements of the toon, not the texture itself. This is exactly the reason I do NOT understand why the devs simply don't paste a few item codes on the tailor and get it over with. It would be a nice gesture to people that like to play with their KDF toons if they did add it.
And what if some stuff would clip? Let's be honest people, it isn't like the current outfits are clipping free, far off even.
Again it takes a little over 10 minutes to add things like that to a tailor NPC (used to be a heavy modder for Oblivion, Fallout 3 and even Neverwinter Nights so I do have a pretty good idea what I'm talking about).
Well i used a lot of Mods at Oblivion and NWN2, there were a lot of well done things. (and you could get Coats at Fallout 3 wich where not intendet for Players and they worked fine)
Ansother "argument" is, that things like the Coat are not "seperatet" available from the rest of the Clothes.
Well the Chars WITH Coats have diffrent Heads and diffrend Colors.
Since there are just 2 Clothes.... who the f*** cares if you cant use the TOS uniform with the Coat? Then it IS even one klick for the whole clothes-set, there is almost no choice anyway.