I know a lot of Klingon players are upset with the faction as it is, but it was never really touted as more than a PvP faction. Cryptic has told the players a number of times that the Klingons are going to be getting more PvE content, but it is going to take awhile to develop. All of the unique missions they are working on making for the Klingon faction will take a long time to get into the game and really, probably shouldn't be expected before July.
In the meantime, try to enjoy the PvP aspect of the game...the aspect you should be enjoying anyway since you rolled the PvP faction.
As for those that threaten that all the Klingons will be leaving, well, I know I will be staying. It will suck for the queues for me to be the only one, but being the only Klingon player, I guess I will have a direct line to Cryptic about what I want from the game! Maybe they can make me into a roaming monster like the CE and I can blow up countless ships. Sounds like fun to me
I know a lot of Klingon players are upset with the faction as it is, but it was never really touted as more than a PvP faction. Cryptic has told the players a number of times that the Klingons are going to be getting more PvE content, but it is going to take awhile to develop. All of the unique missions they are working on making for the Klingon faction will take a long time to get into the game and really, probably shouldn't be expected before July.
In the meantime, try to enjoy the PvP aspect of the game...the aspect you should be enjoying anyway since you rolled the PvP faction.
As for those that threaten that all the Klingons will be leaving, well, I know I will be staying. It will suck for the queues for me to be the only one, but being the only Klingon player, I guess I will have a direct line to Cryptic about what I want from the game! Maybe they can make me into a roaming monster like the CE and I can blow up countless ships. Sounds like fun to me
It was touted as a full faction.
No need to PVP at all all the way to General. And it will happen soon
I know a lot of Klingon players are upset with the faction as it is, but it was never really touted as more than a PvP faction. Cryptic has told the players a number of times that the Klingons are going to be getting more PvE content, but it is going to take awhile to develop. All of the unique missions they are working on making for the Klingon faction will take a long time to get into the game and really, probably shouldn't be expected before July.
In the meantime, try to enjoy the PvP aspect of the game...the aspect you should be enjoying anyway since you rolled the PvP faction.
As for those that threaten that all the Klingons will be leaving, well, I know I will be staying. It will suck for the queues for me to be the only one, but being the only Klingon player, I guess I will have a direct line to Cryptic about what I want from the game! Maybe they can make me into a roaming monster like the CE and I can blow up countless ships. Sounds like fun to me
We have TRIBBLE for PvP. Where is the "open" PvP? Where is the "all-tier" PvP? Where are the HUGE fleet battles? Why does my sniper rifle have the same range as my pistol? Why are the queues so long? Why are the queues delivering 5 on 1 battles?
Whay are there no Bat'leth tournaments?
How come the fleets can't organize a competitive 1 on 1 tournament event for there members? Or organize fleet on fleet team events?
RUNE fraking SCAPE has waaaay better PvP for god's sake. I know this game is just our of beta, but come on.
When Feds outnumber Klingons 50:1 what will it be like? You may be an Empire of One, or at least darned few.
If there was decent PvP playing Klingon faction would be more tollerable. More PvE will help break the monotony, but more options within PvP should be on every Klingon's wish list.
you don't want "open pvp" because I have been hearing you whine for the past week about "lack of content for klingons" the whining I am going to here from you when you find out that we are outnumbered 100 to 1 and we are is now the biggest puppet state of the federation by 8 o'clock PM that evening
It was touted as a full faction.
No need to PVP at all all the way to General. And it will happen soon
Yeah , that's the retort of the faithful still blinded by their faith in a company and concept they haven't realized couldn't give a TRIBBLE about them. Please save your " happening soon " for the wide eyed niave children. This is the most oft repeated refrain in every MMO that's failing I've ever heard i've played close to a dozen . Giving most at a minimum of 6 mo.
Yeah , that's the retort of the faithful still blinded by their faith in a company and concept they haven't realized couldn't give a TRIBBLE about them. Please save your " happening soon " for the wide eyed niave children. This is the most oft repeated refrain in every MMO that's failing I've ever heard i've played close to a dozen . Giving most at a minimum of 6 mo.
Rather negative aren't we? You should get that checked out because it doesn't work well in the real world.
Yeah , that's the retort of the faithful still blinded by their faith in a company and concept they haven't realized couldn't give a TRIBBLE about them. Please save your " happening soon " for the wide eyed niave children. This is the most oft repeated refrain in every MMO that's failing I've ever heard i've played close to a dozen . Giving most at a minimum of 6 mo.
The fanbois never faill to suprise me, they are as dense as a rock.
How many times do videos/interviews have to be posted where Craig stated that the game will have FULL PVP/PVE for Klingons and Federation players before it regesters? 5, 10, 1000...Inquiring Minds want to know.
Actually SOE whizzed for years.. and yes I too was a SWG vet, and understand things take time. You only posted the last line of my comment, but..
My comment is not a hissy fit, it's a poke that Pakleds.. well never mind.
Point is, no community will sit by and let their game play suffer thanks to what SOE did, now before you go off an start misquoting me again. No I don't think Cryptic is pulling an NGE. Yes I agree things take time. yes I agree this is a step in the right direction.
I don't expect a perfect game 30 days out, what i want to see is a company acknowledge it's direction. And I'm sorry if you don't see how the Pakleds, are like buying new curtains when your foundation is cracked, and the roof leaks...
Im pretty sure the Devs are capable of "fixing the foundation" and "buying new curtains" at the same time... The updates for Klingons are coming. You just need to wait for them.
Yeah , that's the retort of the faithful still blinded by their faith in a company and concept they haven't realized couldn't give a TRIBBLE about them. Please save your " happening soon " for the wide eyed niave children. This is the most oft repeated refrain in every MMO that's failing I've ever heard i've played close to a dozen . Giving most at a minimum of 6 mo.
You really need to exit your mother's basement and stop typing in that font style, thinking people are taking your dramatic negative TRIBBLE seriously.
you don't want "open pvp" because I have been hearing you whine for the past week about "lack of content for klingons" the whining I am going to here from you when you find out that we are outnumbered 100 to 1 and we are is now the biggest puppet state of the federation by 8 o'clock PM that evening
I keep running into Feds that think only PvE is content. Where they get this from I don't know.
More and better PvP is more content. PvE + PvP = content.
When there is almost no Klingon PvE, what little exiists is shallow and mind numbing after a few runs AND the PvP is poorly designed/repetitive/limited in scope what are Klingons supposed to do? Are we supposed to rave about how great things are and how much we LOVE the current state of affairs?
Klingon content is a pitiful thing.
If Klingons have issues they want addressed what are they supposed to do? Kiss Cryptics butt while getting beat with a nerf bat while also watching the Feds get more and more content/customization?
Good monster, have a bone, er, T2 Cruiser. Don't even think about getting half the customizations Feds have, or a tenth of the PvE. Now shut up while we nerf you some more. Have another bone, never mind the Feds are eating steak. You'll get some neat stuff . . . some day . . . just don't ask for a date . . . or specifics.
It was touted as a full faction.
No need to PVP at all all the way to General. And it will happen soon
No, it was touted as a PvP faction with a light amount of PvE. We got EXACTLY that.
I am not saying the Klingon side doesn't need some more content, I am simply saying that we got what was promised. If people imagined they were going to get more than they got, then the fault lies with the imagination of the individual, not the implementation by the company.
The faction in its current state was pretty much made for someone like me, who loves nothing more than to level up via PvP. I don't find fighting in the same maps every day as boring, because it isn't the map that I care about, it is the opposition I am fighting against.
While those things would be nice to see, pretty much all of those are desires from players, not promises from the Devs.
I for one like the PvP in this game, especially the ground PvP. It is some of the most exciting PvP I have ever played. That doesn't mean this is the best PvP system ever made, nor does you not liking it mean it is the worst PvP system ever made. It simply means that I enjoy it and you don't. Just like I might enjoy salmon ice cream and you wouldn't.
I would love to some Open PvP, but the sad truth is that the Feds would dominate it at most hours of the day due to population issues. Restricting the zone by numbers will simply cause frustration and instancing the zone will make people cry that it isn't true open PvP.
I think they are trying to figure out a way to make it work and if you have suggestions, then feel free to discuss them in some of the threads dedicated to the topic!
As for the queue mechanic, I agree it needs work. Know what? So does Cryptic. They have stated this and are working on getting it to operate better. Give it awhile, the queue will be working better, the just need to get the fixes worked out, tested, and to the masses.
Try not to get caught up in the words of the more hotheaded users of these forums, they will kill you early with high blood pressure
All I can really suggest in the end is that you try and enjoy what you have and if you find that impossible, then leave and come back some other time in the future when you see something you find interesting.
We can't get everything we want from life, but we can wish for it. Just try not to get angry when your wishes don't come true
No, it was touted as a PvP faction with a light amount of PvE. We got EXACTLY that.
I am not saying the Klingon side doesn't need some more content, I am simply saying that we got what was promised. If people imagined they were going to get more than they got, then the fault lies with the imagination of the individual, not the implementation by the company.
The faction in its current state was pretty much made for someone like me, who loves nothing more than to level up via PvP. I don't find fighting in the same maps every day as boring, because it isn't the map that I care about, it is the opposition I am fighting against.
While those things would be nice to see, pretty much all of those are desires from players, not promises from the Devs.
I for one like the PvP in this game, especially the ground PvP. It is some of the most exciting PvP I have ever played. That doesn't mean this is the best PvP system ever made, nor does you not liking it mean it is the worst PvP system ever made. It simply means that I enjoy it and you don't. Just like I might enjoy salmon ice cream and you wouldn't.
I would love to some Open PvP, but the sad truth is that the Feds would dominate it at most hours of the day due to population issues. Restricting the zone by numbers will simply cause frustration and instancing the zone will make people cry that it isn't true open PvP.
I think they are trying to figure out a way to make it work and if you have suggestions, then feel free to discuss them in some of the threads dedicated to the topic!
As for the queue mechanic, I agree it needs work. Know what? So does Cryptic. They have stated this and are working on getting it to operate better. Give it awhile, the queue will be working better, the just need to get the fixes worked out, tested, and to the masses.
Try not to get caught up in the words of the more hotheaded users of these forums, they will kill you early with high blood pressure
All I can really suggest in the end is that you try and enjoy what you have and if you find that impossible, then leave and come back some other time in the future when you see something you find interesting.
We can't get everything we want from life, but we can wish for it. Just try not to get angry when your wishes don't come true
Video Interview with Jack Emmert - August 24, 2008
Now tell me again - who was touted as a PVP faction with light pve ?
The Klingons.
That video is pretty old, considering the length of the development cycle. Looking at it as an expectation for what you will have at launch is very unrealistic.
Closer to launch, months in advance, Cryptic told us that the Klingons were not going to be a full faction due to time constraints. They also told us that we will be if we are not happy with what we get, so that content is on the way.
I am sorry you can't let go of the past there, but things change. They may have wanted to give two full factions at one time, but time constraints made that impossible.
That video is pretty old, considering the length of the development cycle. Looking at it as an expectation for what you will have at launch is very unrealistic.
Closer to launch, months in advance, Cryptic told us that the Klingons were not going to be a full faction due to time constraints. They also told us that we will be if we are not happy with what we get, so that content is on the way.
I am sorry you can't let go of the past there, but things change. They may have wanted to give two full factions at one time, but time constraints made that impossible.
Spin Control for the win - to bad that you fail to realize that. This is proof that Klingons were not meant to be PVP only - they were made that way because Cryptic failed to deliver. So all those lovely arguments about how Klingons were never supposed to have pve or have very little are invalid.
That video is pretty old, considering the length of the development cycle. Looking at it as an expectation for what you will have at launch is very unrealistic.
Closer to launch, months in advance, Cryptic told us that the Klingons were not going to be a full faction due to time constraints. They also told us that we will be if we are not happy with what we get, so that content is on the way.
I am sorry you can't let go of the past there, but things change. They may have wanted to give two full factions at one time, but time constraints made that impossible.
Absolutely false due to previous statements to admit that would have made them open to legal action . They weaseled around it by changing the statements that it would be a mostly PvP faction and you would be able to PvE to level if you chose. The statement was that it would be 2 full faction the definition of full faction is the only think in dispute . Cryptic has one and the industry has another. I'm sorry your not bright enough to understand that Cryptic manipulatation of the statements were pure prevarication for sales and to cover their asses. It wasn't months it was a month before Beta that the truth became known , through their double speak .
Spin Control for the win - to bad that you fail to realize that. This is proof that Klingons were not meant to be PVP only - they were made that way because Cryptic failed to deliver. So all those lovely arguments about how Klingons were never supposed to have pve or have very little are invalid.
Sad that you can't see that.
No, I fully understand where you are coming from. In the early days, Cryptic said they were going to make two full factions. It then dropped to one faction, since they figured they were not going to get Klingons done on time. Cryptic, due to community feedback, decided to add the Klingons back in as a launch race. This would mean that the Klingons were going to have very thin content.
I have said it would be nice if we could have had full content at launch, but we didn't. There is no use crying foul about it, that won't do anyone any good. What you can do is adapt with the times and realize that the PvE content you wanted at launch is on its way. That content may be months off now, but that is simply how it is.
You all know that Cryptic would have had to put the game on hold till July or later to get the content you wanted at launch into the game? I for one am happy they let us have the game early and we get to play it.
If you are not happy with the current state of the game, then simply unsub and come back at a later time when the content you desire is in place.
I hate it for you, I really do, but there isn't any point in crying on the forums about how the content you wanted at launch wasn't there, especially after they told you it wasn't going to be there before launch.
*shrug*
Feel free to do what you want with the game, but it seems silly to hang around if you are not happy with what you have.
Absolutely false due to previous statements to admit that would have made them open to legal action . They weaseled around it by changing the statements that it would be a mostly PvP faction and you would be able to PvE to level if you chose. The statement was that it would be 2 full faction the definition of full faction is the only think in dispute . Cryptic has one and the industry has another. I'm sorry your not bright enough to understand that Cryptic manipulatation of the statements were pure prevarication for sales and to cover their asses. It wasn't months it was a month before Beta that the truth became known , through their double speak .
Vuk, do you suspect an attack from every corner and live a paranoid life? I ask because I am genuinely curious.
Their statements to correct the ideas of what would be in game at launch are much more innocent than you seem to suspect. The statements closer to launch were to let people know that the desires of the team to have two full factions at launch was simply not going to happen.
It wasn't come malevolent plot to steal money or destroy your dreams of a PvE Klingon faction, it was simply Cryptic coming out and letting you know, before the game launched, that the plans had changed due to time constraints and wouldn't be what they had drawn up earlier in production. If Cryptic could have had this content in game at launch, they would have. They truly aren't sitting in their fluffy chairs and making jokes at the expense of the Klingon players.
What they did before launch by letting you know what they did is good, not bad. I am truly sorry if you can't see that and think it is an attack on you personally.
No, I fully understand where you are coming from. In the early days, Cryptic said they were going to make two full factions. It then dropped to one faction, since they figured they were not going to get Klingons done on time. Cryptic, due to community feedback, decided to add the Klingons back in as a launch race. This would mean that the Klingons were going to have very thin content.
I have said it would be nice if we could have had full content at launch, but we didn't. There is no use crying foul about it, that won't do anyone any good. What you can do is adapt with the times and realize that the PvE content you wanted at launch is on its way. That content may be months off now, but that is simply how it is.
You all know that Cryptic would have had to put the game on hold till July or later to get the content you wanted at launch into the game? I for one am happy they let us have the game early and we get to play it.
If you are not happy with the current state of the game, then simply unsub and come back at a later time when the content you desire is in place.
I hate it for you, I really do, but there isn't any point in crying on the forums about how the content you wanted at launch wasn't there, especially after they told you it wasn't going to be there before launch.
*shrug*
Feel free to do what you want with the game, but it seems silly to hang around if you are not happy with what you have.
Good luck
So let me get this straight.
I proved that Klingons were meant to have FULL PVE - feel free to post the links were Cryptic announced that they have changed them to a PVP only faction because it was a decision based on beta testing, player feedback, or they thought it sounded good on paper then enjoy reading the uproar this change created when the game was a few months away from release.
Its also intersting that those of you that are blatantly defending Cryptic only have these arguments to fall on -stop crying, adapt (how does one adapt to no pve - eh PVP more - seriously wake up), whining, unsub and so on. Just what the game needs more people quitting, keep up the good work.
Im not sure if someone said this already but ah....Klingon Faction dead....ah No...I see a lot of other Klingons on when I play, I think someone said they are down to 50 or something...that is rubish. THe Klingon faction is not "dead", from what I notice it is still pritty strong. This goes to show never belieave anything you read on the posts.
Im not sure if someone said this already but ah....Klingon Faction dead....ah No...I see a lot of other Klingons on when I play, I think someone said they are down to 50 or something...that is rubish. THe Klingon faction is not "dead", from what I notice it is still pritty strong. This goes to show never belieave anything you read on the posts.
We are speaking of Generals....not to sound like a jerk but I do not care how many of you are at lvl 6.
I proved that Klingons were meant to have FULL PVE - feel free to post the links were Cryptic announced that they have changed them to a PVP only faction because it was a decision based on beta testing, player feedback, or they thought it sounded good on paper then enjoy reading the uproar this change created when the game was a few months away from release.
Its also intersting that those of you that are blatantly defending Cryptic only have these arguments to fall on -stop crying, adapt (how does one adapt to no pve - eh PVP more - seriously wake up), whining, unsub and so on. Just what the game needs more people quitting, keep up the good work.
I never said it wasn't a controversial change in the plans, just that it was a necessary one in order to meet their launch date AND have the Klingon faction playable.
Cryptic decided that it was better to have the faction in as unfinished than to not have it at all. I tend to agree with that decision, you don't. We have differing opinions, it is part of human interaction.
I am suggesting that you adapt your ATTITUDE to the current situation, not your gameplay. It is pointless to cling onto vague promises of the past after it is already clear that they have not been met. Since you can't go back in time and magically change the outcome, you have to adapt and just deal with what you have.
If you are unhappy, then you truly should quit the game. I really would hate to see more people leave, but continuing to pay for a service they no longer desire or enjoy seems foolish to me. If possible, then I suggest you find something in game that you can enjoy, if you can't, then it is best to quit for now and come back at a later time and see if things are different...or not come back, the decision is yours.
The reason people who enjoy the game tell people who don't enjoy the game these things is as varied as the people. I can't speak for everyone else, but the reason I am suggesting you quit or adapt is because I think you should have fun playing a game. If you don't want to keep paying as you wait till the July update, then you probably shouldn't. If you bought a long-term subscription and have already paid for that...well, then I am sorry you didn't read the articles from before the game was launched where they said the Klingons would not have full PvE at launch. Live and learn, I guess?
Look, I am not here for the blood of those who disagree with Cryptic, nor am I here to defend them blindly. I am simply trying to argue the point that what was promised at release was given, even if those promises did change with time. Stuff happens during development, I understand that and I think you understand that as well. Sure, it sucks that the "stuff" that happened prevented you from enjoying a full Klingon faction upon release, but it did. The faction you want is coming later down the road, so maybe you can enjoy it then.
I want to ask one thing right quick regarding something you said...
Just what the game needs more people quitting, keep up the good work.
Does this suggest you feel you should keep paying for the game, even if you are not happy, because the company needs money? I am not making an attack or anything, I am simply curious. It seems totally logical to me to cancel your sub, or suggesting to someone to cancel their sub, if that individual is not enjoying the game.
Klingon gameplay is obviously a big issue for you (unless you just like arguing ) and your enjoyment of the game. Are there other aspects of the game that are keeping you here? If so, why not continue to do those and not worry about the Klingon PvE for now since you know it is coming in time.
We are speaking of Generals....not to sound like a jerk but I do not care how many of you are at lvl 6.
Do you know me?
If not, then there are probably more than 50
Seriously, there are more Klingon players out there at General than you may realize. Some don't play as often as others, some maybe enjoy PvE, some hang out in their guilds, and others you simply have not run into.
Sure, we are the minority faction, but PvP players usually are. Now if you are talking about truly dedicated PvE Klingons that got all the way to cap with PvE, then yeah, I would think there are only a few. It would take some serious dedication to do that all the way to max!
Yes Klingon side is bit PvE light. But it has been advertised as such..before launch. Sure a year ago something else was promised during development. But close to the time we all "purchased" more realistic goals were set. We all got what was promised when we bought the game. Now if I had bought the game with the promise of a full PVE faction Klingon side..and then turned it on to find out something else...I would be miffed.
But that isn't what happened.
Also, Cryptic's videos of whats coming largely showcases Klingon's. No one would feature a faction prominently in it's marketing materials they didn't have plans for.
And don't forget that the STF's are all playable by both factions. Klingon's will also have access to Fleet actions after this patch. The explore missions have all been altered to be suitable to Klingon's. The patch also has some Klingon specific graphic and audio changes, new costume pieces, nice animation for Klingon transporters, etc...
I know people want really good Klingon story arcs..I want them too..but realistically that's not coming in a 45 day patch. There's no way it could. Like most MMO's this game has room to grow. Just because that content isn't here now..doesn't mean its not coming later. Claiming the dev's are out to persecute or kill the Klingon faction doesn't make sense. The folks at Cryptic probably care alot about the creations they've spent countless hours working on.
Does this suggest you feel you should keep paying for the game, even if you are not happy, because the company needs money? I am not making an attack or anything, I am simply curious. It seems totally logical to me to cancel your sub, or suggesting to someone to cancel their sub, if that individual is not enjoying the game.
Klingon gameplay is obviously a big issue for you (unless you just like arguing ) and your enjoyment of the game. Are there other aspects of the game that are keeping you here? If so, why not continue to do those and not worry about the Klingon PvE for now since you know it is coming in time.
Just trying to understand you better
Telling people to unsub, doesn't fix problems it creates more.
Is the current klingon gameplay an issue? Yes, does it stop me from playing no. What will stop me from playing is not if but when my friend lists shows over 100 people and the last time they logged on was over 60 days ago, with me looking at a barren sector unable to stem the hemorrhaging.
Telling people to unsub, doesn't fix problems it creates more.
Is the current klingon gameplay an issue? Yes, does it stop me from playing no. What will stop me from playing is not if but when my friend lists shows over 100 people and the last time they logged on was over 60 days ago, with me looking at a barren sector unable to stem the hemorrhaging.
I agree that telling people to unsub creates more problems for the company, but there is no point in paying for a product they are not happy with. It solves the problem for the individual, which is really all the person can solve. That is where I am coming from.
You don't have to agree, but at least we see where each other are coming from.
You are obviously more devoted to the game than I am, which I respect. All I can suggest is approaching the issue with a bit cooler head, and not attacking allies I want to see PvE content for the Klingons as well, but that fight was already won and now we are just waiting. No amount of arm flailing will make it come sooner
Well there it is in a nutshell.
Many statements to the fact that it is coming. Many statements (logical ones even) that it will take more time than 45 days etc etc.
But thats just it.....thats just the problem. Who says that? You the players. Cryptic isnt. Now I know a lot of you are already cracking your knuckles and fingers twitching to get at the keyboard for response ( I do that too lol) but lets look at the engineering reports.
Lets look at whats in testing.....no Klingon story arcs
Lets look at whats under development...no klingon story arcs
Lets look at whats under investigation......no klingon story arcs
hmmmm............
What I see is....no Klingon pve, well not the detailed story arc kind.
Ok you cant give it to us in the 45 day patch. I understand...time restraints....new faction toplan..unnamed mmo to work on...artwork needs fixed in Admiral Quinns office...whatever (sorry for the slight sarcasm there....muscles still twitchy over some of that and I still think it brings humor to the conversation), ok whatever...they dont have time. I can dig that. But TELL us something...SHOW us that you are WORKING on SOMETHING!
The Engineering report is supposed to be a window into things coming, and it NEEDS to be updated more frequently and accurately. Hell the carrier nerfs are still listed as "Under Investigation" Umm...no...they are getting ready to go live.
Now though this may seem like a flame to Cryptic..it's not really. What I am asking for is 1) More accurate and frequent communication on this, our most beloved topic, and some evidence that it IS being worked on..ie, for the love of Khaless at least put something Klingon pve'ish on the Engineering report at least under investigation that they are actually working on it.
I guess its that report that has peeved me off more than anything.
Sure, I was miffed we didnt get more for this patch...but I will give them the benefit of the doubt to say they COULDNT give us more at this time. What I would have liked to see was a "hey..heres what we have at the moment..a LOT more coming down the road". How about something on the Engineering report...how about one story arc or something in testing? How about something to SHOW US that there is in fact more down the road? A lot more hopefully. We arent getting any of that and I think it's the total lack of communication from Cryptic on this particular subject that has most of us so up in arms.
What I am asking for from Cryptic at this point is simply this....some communication please. Let me know that I am in fact going to see the promised land and show me your working on it even a little at a time.
Communication. Thats what I want at this stage. I don't think that in itself is a lot to ask for.....oh and a ball park time...say like hey in 6 months time you'll see this, or it will take a year...something other than "eventually". That would just be an empty promise.
Test something, put it in development..under investigation. Talk to us Cryptic, that would go a long way to mollify us.
Just my 2 EC's
If they aren't going to make development of the Klingon faction a higher priority than providing "nice to have" items for the Federation or creating a whole new faction then TELL US. Resources are limited, priorities must be set and something suffers. If Klingons are going to continue to receive the short end of the stick TELL US so we can make informed decisions. Don't string us along, be honest and up front.
Message to Cryptic:
Klingons are a monster class faction paying the same monthly fee as a full-fledged faction. Reduce the monthly fee for Klingons to reflect the reduced content, or SHOW US you are devoting significant resources (more than are gong to ANY other faction) and deliver (not wait for updates) a steady stream of improvements at a level above what any other faction is getting until such time as there is a semblance of parity (we'd settle for half the PvE and half the ship/character customization as a good faith first step).
But whatever you do, please make PvP more meaningful and more fun.
Message to Cryptic:
Klingons are a monster class faction paying the same monthly fee as a full-fledged faction. Reduce the monthly fee for Klingons to reflect the reduced content, or SHOW US you are devoting significant resources (more than are gong to ANY other faction) and deliver (not wait for updates) a steady stream of improvements at a level above what any other faction is getting until such time as there is a semblance of parity (we'd settle for half the PvE and half the ship/character customization as a good faith first step).
Why? Again, you bought an STO account, NOT a Klingon account. Full access to both Klingon and Fed content, not restricted access.
Why? Again, you bought an STO account, NOT a Klingon account. Full access to both Klingon and Fed content, not restricted access.
Um, if they sold Klingon only accounts I missed it, and would have gladly bought a Klingon only account. What I appear to have bought was mislabeled as Star Trek Online, what I really got was Federation Online.
The Federation story line is interesting, and the rewards PvE hands out like candy are much better than what you must claw from PvP. I find the PvE unbelievably easy, not even the red shirt BOs die during most missions and I usually have to fly my ship like a Captain Janeway to get it shot up or killed in PvE.
It will not be nearly as interesting leveling a second Fed toon. The 3rd time thru would be painfully boring.
Maybe going thru those away team missions with just the Captain or with just 1 BO will make it more challenging.
If they aren't going to make development of the Klingon faction a higher priority than providing "nice to have" items for the Federation or creating a whole new faction then TELL US. Resources are limited, priorities must be set and something suffers. If Klingons are going to continue to receive the short end of the stick TELL US so we can make informed decisions. Don't string us along, be honest and up front.
Message to Cryptic:
Klingons are a monster class faction paying the same monthly fee as a full-fledged faction. Reduce the monthly fee for Klingons to reflect the reduced content, or SHOW US you are devoting significant resources (more than are gong to ANY other faction) and deliver (not wait for updates) a steady stream of improvements at a level above what any other faction is getting until such time as there is a semblance of parity (we'd settle for half the PvE and half the ship/character customization as a good faith first step).
But whatever you do, please make PvP more meaningful and more fun.
Like Florence said, you payed for a Star Trek Online account, you can't expect them to lower the price for Klingon players.. How that would be done would be a problem in itself.
You're missing the BIG picture here. We're not getting the short end of the Stick... We're getting the PvE Storyline you commented about on the Federation Side.. We don't have all the new little updates because all the Klingon Devs are hard at work creating a good and solid PvE storyline. The Federation are pretty set, and they can focus on the new things like Ship Customization, Species, Off duty uniforms, and things like that.
Klingons will receive all that, just not at once.. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is an MMO, or healthy storyline PvE quests.
You need to relax for now, and just have fun with leveling up slowly on your Klingon, like me.
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I know a lot of Klingon players are upset with the faction as it is, but it was never really touted as more than a PvP faction. Cryptic has told the players a number of times that the Klingons are going to be getting more PvE content, but it is going to take awhile to develop. All of the unique missions they are working on making for the Klingon faction will take a long time to get into the game and really, probably shouldn't be expected before July.
In the meantime, try to enjoy the PvP aspect of the game...the aspect you should be enjoying anyway since you rolled the PvP faction.
As for those that threaten that all the Klingons will be leaving, well, I know I will be staying. It will suck for the queues for me to be the only one, but being the only Klingon player, I guess I will have a direct line to Cryptic about what I want from the game! Maybe they can make me into a roaming monster like the CE and I can blow up countless ships. Sounds like fun to me
No need to PVP at all all the way to General. And it will happen soon
We have TRIBBLE for PvP. Where is the "open" PvP? Where is the "all-tier" PvP? Where are the HUGE fleet battles? Why does my sniper rifle have the same range as my pistol? Why are the queues so long? Why are the queues delivering 5 on 1 battles?
Whay are there no Bat'leth tournaments?
How come the fleets can't organize a competitive 1 on 1 tournament event for there members? Or organize fleet on fleet team events?
RUNE fraking SCAPE has waaaay better PvP for god's sake. I know this game is just our of beta, but come on.
When Feds outnumber Klingons 50:1 what will it be like? You may be an Empire of One, or at least darned few.
If there was decent PvP playing Klingon faction would be more tollerable. More PvE will help break the monotony, but more options within PvP should be on every Klingon's wish list.
Yeah , that's the retort of the faithful still blinded by their faith in a company and concept they haven't realized couldn't give a TRIBBLE about them. Please save your " happening soon " for the wide eyed niave children. This is the most oft repeated refrain in every MMO that's failing I've ever heard i've played close to a dozen . Giving most at a minimum of 6 mo.
Rather negative aren't we? You should get that checked out because it doesn't work well in the real world.
The fanbois never faill to suprise me, they are as dense as a rock.
How many times do videos/interviews have to be posted where Craig stated that the game will have FULL PVP/PVE for Klingons and Federation players before it regesters? 5, 10, 1000...Inquiring Minds want to know.
Im pretty sure the Devs are capable of "fixing the foundation" and "buying new curtains" at the same time... The updates for Klingons are coming. You just need to wait for them.
You really need to exit your mother's basement and stop typing in that font style, thinking people are taking your dramatic negative TRIBBLE seriously.
I keep running into Feds that think only PvE is content. Where they get this from I don't know.
More and better PvP is more content. PvE + PvP = content.
When there is almost no Klingon PvE, what little exiists is shallow and mind numbing after a few runs AND the PvP is poorly designed/repetitive/limited in scope what are Klingons supposed to do? Are we supposed to rave about how great things are and how much we LOVE the current state of affairs?
Klingon content is a pitiful thing.
If Klingons have issues they want addressed what are they supposed to do? Kiss Cryptics butt while getting beat with a nerf bat while also watching the Feds get more and more content/customization?
Good monster, have a bone, er, T2 Cruiser. Don't even think about getting half the customizations Feds have, or a tenth of the PvE. Now shut up while we nerf you some more. Have another bone, never mind the Feds are eating steak. You'll get some neat stuff . . . some day . . . just don't ask for a date . . . or specifics.
No, it was touted as a PvP faction with a light amount of PvE. We got EXACTLY that.
I am not saying the Klingon side doesn't need some more content, I am simply saying that we got what was promised. If people imagined they were going to get more than they got, then the fault lies with the imagination of the individual, not the implementation by the company.
The faction in its current state was pretty much made for someone like me, who loves nothing more than to level up via PvP. I don't find fighting in the same maps every day as boring, because it isn't the map that I care about, it is the opposition I am fighting against.
@STObee
While those things would be nice to see, pretty much all of those are desires from players, not promises from the Devs.
I for one like the PvP in this game, especially the ground PvP. It is some of the most exciting PvP I have ever played. That doesn't mean this is the best PvP system ever made, nor does you not liking it mean it is the worst PvP system ever made. It simply means that I enjoy it and you don't. Just like I might enjoy salmon ice cream and you wouldn't.
I would love to some Open PvP, but the sad truth is that the Feds would dominate it at most hours of the day due to population issues. Restricting the zone by numbers will simply cause frustration and instancing the zone will make people cry that it isn't true open PvP.
I think they are trying to figure out a way to make it work and if you have suggestions, then feel free to discuss them in some of the threads dedicated to the topic!
As for the queue mechanic, I agree it needs work. Know what? So does Cryptic. They have stated this and are working on getting it to operate better. Give it awhile, the queue will be working better, the just need to get the fixes worked out, tested, and to the masses.
Try not to get caught up in the words of the more hotheaded users of these forums, they will kill you early with high blood pressure
All I can really suggest in the end is that you try and enjoy what you have and if you find that impossible, then leave and come back some other time in the future when you see something you find interesting.
We can't get everything we want from life, but we can wish for it. Just try not to get angry when your wishes don't come true
Video Interview with Jack Emmert - August 24, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcAn3nhf97Y&feature=related
Now tell me again - who was touted as a PVP faction with light pve ?
The Klingons.
That video is pretty old, considering the length of the development cycle. Looking at it as an expectation for what you will have at launch is very unrealistic.
Closer to launch, months in advance, Cryptic told us that the Klingons were not going to be a full faction due to time constraints. They also told us that we will be if we are not happy with what we get, so that content is on the way.
I am sorry you can't let go of the past there, but things change. They may have wanted to give two full factions at one time, but time constraints made that impossible.
Spin Control for the win - to bad that you fail to realize that. This is proof that Klingons were not meant to be PVP only - they were made that way because Cryptic failed to deliver. So all those lovely arguments about how Klingons were never supposed to have pve or have very little are invalid.
Sad that you can't see that.
Absolutely false due to previous statements to admit that would have made them open to legal action . They weaseled around it by changing the statements that it would be a mostly PvP faction and you would be able to PvE to level if you chose. The statement was that it would be 2 full faction the definition of full faction is the only think in dispute . Cryptic has one and the industry has another. I'm sorry your not bright enough to understand that Cryptic manipulatation of the statements were pure prevarication for sales and to cover their asses. It wasn't months it was a month before Beta that the truth became known , through their double speak .
No, I fully understand where you are coming from. In the early days, Cryptic said they were going to make two full factions. It then dropped to one faction, since they figured they were not going to get Klingons done on time. Cryptic, due to community feedback, decided to add the Klingons back in as a launch race. This would mean that the Klingons were going to have very thin content.
I have said it would be nice if we could have had full content at launch, but we didn't. There is no use crying foul about it, that won't do anyone any good. What you can do is adapt with the times and realize that the PvE content you wanted at launch is on its way. That content may be months off now, but that is simply how it is.
You all know that Cryptic would have had to put the game on hold till July or later to get the content you wanted at launch into the game? I for one am happy they let us have the game early and we get to play it.
If you are not happy with the current state of the game, then simply unsub and come back at a later time when the content you desire is in place.
I hate it for you, I really do, but there isn't any point in crying on the forums about how the content you wanted at launch wasn't there, especially after they told you it wasn't going to be there before launch.
*shrug*
Feel free to do what you want with the game, but it seems silly to hang around if you are not happy with what you have.
Good luck
Vuk, do you suspect an attack from every corner and live a paranoid life? I ask because I am genuinely curious.
Their statements to correct the ideas of what would be in game at launch are much more innocent than you seem to suspect. The statements closer to launch were to let people know that the desires of the team to have two full factions at launch was simply not going to happen.
It wasn't come malevolent plot to steal money or destroy your dreams of a PvE Klingon faction, it was simply Cryptic coming out and letting you know, before the game launched, that the plans had changed due to time constraints and wouldn't be what they had drawn up earlier in production. If Cryptic could have had this content in game at launch, they would have. They truly aren't sitting in their fluffy chairs and making jokes at the expense of the Klingon players.
What they did before launch by letting you know what they did is good, not bad. I am truly sorry if you can't see that and think it is an attack on you personally.
So let me get this straight.
I proved that Klingons were meant to have FULL PVE - feel free to post the links were Cryptic announced that they have changed them to a PVP only faction because it was a decision based on beta testing, player feedback, or they thought it sounded good on paper then enjoy reading the uproar this change created when the game was a few months away from release.
Its also intersting that those of you that are blatantly defending Cryptic only have these arguments to fall on -stop crying, adapt (how does one adapt to no pve - eh PVP more - seriously wake up), whining, unsub and so on. Just what the game needs more people quitting, keep up the good work.
We are speaking of Generals....not to sound like a jerk but I do not care how many of you are at lvl 6.
I never said it wasn't a controversial change in the plans, just that it was a necessary one in order to meet their launch date AND have the Klingon faction playable.
Cryptic decided that it was better to have the faction in as unfinished than to not have it at all. I tend to agree with that decision, you don't. We have differing opinions, it is part of human interaction.
I am suggesting that you adapt your ATTITUDE to the current situation, not your gameplay. It is pointless to cling onto vague promises of the past after it is already clear that they have not been met. Since you can't go back in time and magically change the outcome, you have to adapt and just deal with what you have.
If you are unhappy, then you truly should quit the game. I really would hate to see more people leave, but continuing to pay for a service they no longer desire or enjoy seems foolish to me. If possible, then I suggest you find something in game that you can enjoy, if you can't, then it is best to quit for now and come back at a later time and see if things are different...or not come back, the decision is yours.
The reason people who enjoy the game tell people who don't enjoy the game these things is as varied as the people. I can't speak for everyone else, but the reason I am suggesting you quit or adapt is because I think you should have fun playing a game. If you don't want to keep paying as you wait till the July update, then you probably shouldn't. If you bought a long-term subscription and have already paid for that...well, then I am sorry you didn't read the articles from before the game was launched where they said the Klingons would not have full PvE at launch. Live and learn, I guess?
Look, I am not here for the blood of those who disagree with Cryptic, nor am I here to defend them blindly. I am simply trying to argue the point that what was promised at release was given, even if those promises did change with time. Stuff happens during development, I understand that and I think you understand that as well. Sure, it sucks that the "stuff" that happened prevented you from enjoying a full Klingon faction upon release, but it did. The faction you want is coming later down the road, so maybe you can enjoy it then.
I want to ask one thing right quick regarding something you said...
Does this suggest you feel you should keep paying for the game, even if you are not happy, because the company needs money? I am not making an attack or anything, I am simply curious. It seems totally logical to me to cancel your sub, or suggesting to someone to cancel their sub, if that individual is not enjoying the game.
Klingon gameplay is obviously a big issue for you (unless you just like arguing
Just trying to understand you better
Do you know me?
If not, then there are probably more than 50
Seriously, there are more Klingon players out there at General than you may realize. Some don't play as often as others, some maybe enjoy PvE, some hang out in their guilds, and others you simply have not run into.
Sure, we are the minority faction, but PvP players usually are. Now if you are talking about truly dedicated PvE Klingons that got all the way to cap with PvE, then yeah, I would think there are only a few. It would take some serious dedication to do that all the way to max!
But that isn't what happened.
Also, Cryptic's videos of whats coming largely showcases Klingon's. No one would feature a faction prominently in it's marketing materials they didn't have plans for.
And don't forget that the STF's are all playable by both factions. Klingon's will also have access to Fleet actions after this patch. The explore missions have all been altered to be suitable to Klingon's. The patch also has some Klingon specific graphic and audio changes, new costume pieces, nice animation for Klingon transporters, etc...
I know people want really good Klingon story arcs..I want them too..but realistically that's not coming in a 45 day patch. There's no way it could. Like most MMO's this game has room to grow. Just because that content isn't here now..doesn't mean its not coming later. Claiming the dev's are out to persecute or kill the Klingon faction doesn't make sense. The folks at Cryptic probably care alot about the creations they've spent countless hours working on.
Telling people to unsub, doesn't fix problems it creates more.
Is the current klingon gameplay an issue? Yes, does it stop me from playing no. What will stop me from playing is not if but when my friend lists shows over 100 people and the last time they logged on was over 60 days ago, with me looking at a barren sector unable to stem the hemorrhaging.
I agree that telling people to unsub creates more problems for the company, but there is no point in paying for a product they are not happy with. It solves the problem for the individual, which is really all the person can solve. That is where I am coming from.
You don't have to agree, but at least we see where each other are coming from.
You are obviously more devoted to the game than I am, which I respect. All I can suggest is approaching the issue with a bit cooler head, and not attacking allies
Many statements to the fact that it is coming. Many statements (logical ones even) that it will take more time than 45 days etc etc.
But thats just it.....thats just the problem. Who says that? You the players. Cryptic isnt. Now I know a lot of you are already cracking your knuckles and fingers twitching to get at the keyboard for response ( I do that too lol) but lets look at the engineering reports.
Lets look at whats in testing.....no Klingon story arcs
Lets look at whats under development...no klingon story arcs
Lets look at whats under investigation......no klingon story arcs
hmmmm............
What I see is....no Klingon pve, well not the detailed story arc kind.
Ok you cant give it to us in the 45 day patch. I understand...time restraints....new faction toplan..unnamed mmo to work on...artwork needs fixed in Admiral Quinns office...whatever (sorry for the slight sarcasm there....muscles still twitchy over some of that and I still think it brings humor to the conversation), ok whatever...they dont have time. I can dig that. But TELL us something...SHOW us that you are WORKING on SOMETHING!
The Engineering report is supposed to be a window into things coming, and it NEEDS to be updated more frequently and accurately. Hell the carrier nerfs are still listed as "Under Investigation" Umm...no...they are getting ready to go live.
Now though this may seem like a flame to Cryptic..it's not really. What I am asking for is 1) More accurate and frequent communication on this, our most beloved topic, and some evidence that it IS being worked on..ie, for the love of Khaless at least put something Klingon pve'ish on the Engineering report at least under investigation that they are actually working on it.
I guess its that report that has peeved me off more than anything.
Sure, I was miffed we didnt get more for this patch...but I will give them the benefit of the doubt to say they COULDNT give us more at this time. What I would have liked to see was a "hey..heres what we have at the moment..a LOT more coming down the road". How about something on the Engineering report...how about one story arc or something in testing? How about something to SHOW US that there is in fact more down the road? A lot more hopefully. We arent getting any of that and I think it's the total lack of communication from Cryptic on this particular subject that has most of us so up in arms.
What I am asking for from Cryptic at this point is simply this....some communication please. Let me know that I am in fact going to see the promised land and show me your working on it even a little at a time.
Communication. Thats what I want at this stage. I don't think that in itself is a lot to ask for.....oh and a ball park time...say like hey in 6 months time you'll see this, or it will take a year...something other than "eventually". That would just be an empty promise.
Test something, put it in development..under investigation. Talk to us Cryptic, that would go a long way to mollify us.
Just my 2 EC's
Message to Cryptic:
Klingons are a monster class faction paying the same monthly fee as a full-fledged faction. Reduce the monthly fee for Klingons to reflect the reduced content, or SHOW US you are devoting significant resources (more than are gong to ANY other faction) and deliver (not wait for updates) a steady stream of improvements at a level above what any other faction is getting until such time as there is a semblance of parity (we'd settle for half the PvE and half the ship/character customization as a good faith first step).
But whatever you do, please make PvP more meaningful and more fun.
Why? Again, you bought an STO account, NOT a Klingon account. Full access to both Klingon and Fed content, not restricted access.
Um, if they sold Klingon only accounts I missed it, and would have gladly bought a Klingon only account. What I appear to have bought was mislabeled as Star Trek Online, what I really got was Federation Online.
The Federation story line is interesting, and the rewards PvE hands out like candy are much better than what you must claw from PvP. I find the PvE unbelievably easy, not even the red shirt BOs die during most missions and I usually have to fly my ship like a Captain Janeway to get it shot up or killed in PvE.
It will not be nearly as interesting leveling a second Fed toon. The 3rd time thru would be painfully boring.
Maybe going thru those away team missions with just the Captain or with just 1 BO will make it more challenging.
Like Florence said, you payed for a Star Trek Online account, you can't expect them to lower the price for Klingon players.. How that would be done would be a problem in itself.
You're missing the BIG picture here. We're not getting the short end of the Stick... We're getting the PvE Storyline you commented about on the Federation Side.. We don't have all the new little updates because all the Klingon Devs are hard at work creating a good and solid PvE storyline. The Federation are pretty set, and they can focus on the new things like Ship Customization, Species, Off duty uniforms, and things like that.
Klingons will receive all that, just not at once.. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is an MMO, or healthy storyline PvE quests.
You need to relax for now, and just have fun with leveling up slowly on your Klingon, like me.