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With the realease of some decent pve elements available to klingons I just want you all to know that I will be leveling a Klingon toon. Alot of you are posting about the death of the faction but every patch will breathe new life into it. You don't seem to see the big picture.
Strict pvp play only apeals to a small group of your player base. It's no wonder why the klingons had so few players. I tried it and I would rather gouge my eyes out with a dull spoon. I like pvp, but I don't like pvp ALL the time. A few of you post how klingon players get lost somewhere between t2 and t5. I have no doubt that it is the reason. Hats off to those hardcore players who leveled pvp the whole way. I know that isn't for me.
I just want to give you some hope that if I am looking to play klingon now, that perhaps more fed players will be changing over to the empire. I think with every content release they will draw more and more players to the other side. I doubt it will ever be 50/50, the federation is simply too popular.
Regards
Strict pvp play only apeals to a small group of your player base. It's no wonder why the klingons had so few players. I tried it and I would rather gouge my eyes out with a dull spoon. I like pvp, but I don't like pvp ALL the time. A few of you post how klingon players get lost somewhere between t2 and t5. I have no doubt that it is the reason. Hats off to those hardcore players who leveled pvp the whole way. I know that isn't for me.
I just want to give you some hope that if I am looking to play klingon now, that perhaps more fed players will be changing over to the empire. I think with every content release they will draw more and more players to the other side. I doubt it will ever be 50/50, the federation is simply too popular.
Regards
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There is so much cool Klingon history / warfare and politics about so making PvE content that is interesting ought to be easy.
Calling us all drama queens for us watching a faction with hundreds get ripped down to 50 or so , thats a smart idea dave111.
You are going go far on this side I can tell , now maybe if you shut your mouth and lvl to General we "might" forgive the dishonor you have shown.Like I said there are about 50 of us generals and we all know each other this isnt Fedside where you can talk smack and get away with it you get blackballed this side your fighting feds for 4 weeks by yourself. mmmmmmhhh 10 vs 1's are fun.
So I suggest you shut up lvl then show us you can fight and we will go from there.
regards
The BEAR:D
Cryptic's concept for the Klingon faction has been a failure upto this point.
Notice the lack of Devs in this forum.
The lack of interaction with players (unlike the other subforums in the last few weeks.)
I've yet to here a guarantee from Cryptic for PvE Episodic content for Klingons.
I've yet to see Cryptic act in an innovative way to stem the continueing loss of dedicated Klingon players.
The upcoming PvE content which is re-work of Fed content is generally regarded as BORING by most players.
We still await the Cryptic admission that their all PvP faction concept was wrong.
Drama?
Not really.
Just a state of the game for Klingons.
Its clear that at the highest levels of Cryptic there is a serious problem with understanding Klingon players.
This post is the most laughable item on the boards today , so far the day is still young. Decent PvE is the funniest statement to lead with . Please , copy and pasting the most assinine aspects of Federation PvE into Klingons and calling it decent is pathetic. So instead of grinding a nebulla repeatedly I get to grind this TRIBBLE ? I'd suggest you stay over on the Fed side until some real PvE comes .
It is very possible that they will..klingons getting pve every patch, but I think you are failing to see the real issue (and thats not meant as a flame)
It's the timing we are talking about. This 45 day patch while not supposed to cure all of the universes ills was expected to be a lot more than it was. A LOT more. This was NOT the decent pve element that was needed. Cryptic has been very hush hush with the KDF in terms of communication on what they are doing until tribble and they still havent said what we can expect later and a ball park on when later is. We really need that with the lack of any real content.
The problem as I said before is timing, the Faction is already on the ropes. We are already an injured, sickly targ. This patch may be too little too late. KDF warriors are already leaving...the faction is dying, there may be nothing to patch before long. If the faction dies before they can come out with the real meat and potatoes, then it was too late.
Really what Cryptic needs to do is simply talk to us, tell us that we are going to get some REAL pve stuff...and give us a ball park time frame. Nothing written in stone, just ball park. And in the meantime they need to stop nerfing us while we are already in this terribly weakened state.
Fix the KDF first.....reverse the dying population into growth...THEN look at what needs nerfing in the KDF.
Nerfing us right now is like beating on that sickly dog, rather than smacking the healthy dog with the newspaper.
Imagine us if you will as an animal that has several unrelated things wrong with us. One of those things are critical and life threatening. You decide to treat one of the smaller issues...but the medicine you gave us to fix a small issue (ie carriers and cloak nerfs) aggravates and makes worse the bigger life threatening issue (our populace dying off and becoming near extinct). Now you made a bad thing worse as it piled yet another negative atop a bigger negative and we have gotten any real positives yet to counter-balance.
To more fully describe what I mean, and rather than post it here I posted some thoughts on another thread here about Klingons surrender. Go read it and it might better explain my thoughts on this.
Again, not attempting to flame you in anyway. Just pointing out an issue you might not have considered.
Anyways, he may still be right to some degree. I went to test KDF PvE. Not that it is such a difference what nebula I'm in, so the PvE self is certainly not what makes me start a Klingon character now. But the claim there is PvE at least lured me over and I found the one species that is really significantly different than all others - and way more fun than I expected. (And I really like my Lethean teeth, too.)
If everyone unhappy with the current Klingon content simply sticks with the Feds, things will never change. Demand and supply, easy to see; if less and less people play KDF, the less attention that faction will get. I dislike the lack of content, customization and general unfairness (targ pet does nothing, no equal counterpart to joined trill, absence of outfit options, fewer species, you name it), and honestly I also dislike trolls pointing that out in each and every topic in each and every forum. But I will start a KDF toon now and endure everything I dislike though. Maybe not worth much, but the OP is at least right about that; the faction will only get attention and improvement if people start playing there.
lol like your some kind of special elietist that can say ok dude your in the club. thats funny that you said blackballed lol, as if the smake you spewed out of your mouth was so honorable. dave has a point that alot of folks dont want to play klingon simply because it is all pvp and that does not fit with there play style. once some pve comes down the pipe then i am sure alot more folks will switch over to klingon side. so all the honorable klingons that rage quit because they want to stomp there feet and cry like little girls with skinned knees will eventually be replaced with more numbers than the kdf knows what to do with. simple fact the kdf will never die and the game will be around for along time, both will see ups and downs but in the long run fun will be had by those who stick it out and just have fun with what they do have, by the way just for the record the sky is not falling i promise you.
as for dave /agreed once they get more pve content into the klingon faction more people will role klingons. rock on dave
While I hope you might be correct, I think you are very much wrong. The more people that STAY in the faction, I truly and honestly fear that Cryptic will interpret as "Oh they like it, look at all the peeps there, cant be THAT bad or else they would have left..."
So I truly think if their current trend continues (and I hope it doesnt) what WILL happen is people will leave. We pay for the game, if it stops being fun, we wont stay and bang our heads against the proverbial brick wall forever hoping that sooner or later the wall will break...we will stop hitting that wall and realise it feels good when we stop.
Thats what I fear will happen. Perhaps the future will prove me wrong, right now...it isnt.
Just hope Cryptic is thinking the same thing, but we'll see.
For any klink that was int he game from beta; yo all need to ask yorself if yor "poor me" card is still working....wait it is because klinks always find something to cry about. If you are not happy with the current state of the game then leave, reroll, go back to whatever game you came from but feds are sick of hearing the constant whining.
After the last 3 days of PVP where players like Emerald, DGgasaysi (i think i spelled it right), Natram and a few others that quit as soon as my group goes up 5-0 I have learned Klinks just want another form of I WIN.
I will say one group of klinks did great while we were training in 2 new fleetmates into PVP (elkinator SP i think) and his crew were a good group of klinks, played well communicated and never cried.
As far as the klink side dying....no it won't get over it. I dare to say that the drop off on klink side is proportionaly close to the % of feds that left the game as well.
I have been playing klink side for the last 3 days (since my week I did it in Beta) and I must say all the RP alone makes me sick.
Honor....LOL sitting in stealth during salvage maps = honor?
respect.....the HUGE amount of trash talking in zone chat in KvK maps?
Real skill? come on there are very few klinks with real skill, most reley on the FotM and the sheer alpha strike power of klinks to show how "good" they are.
Come to fed side play VS "good Klinks" and learn the whole game
to the OP....nice choice of words klingon drama queens is appropriate if you go the tribble test server discussion threads and see the spineless klinks crying and quitting the game like the B.A.N. that they are.
Don't adapt to the changes Don't learn new strategies, don't try new things....just quit...
good job OP
1. When you watch Star Trek on tv or in the movies, how much Klingon centric episodes do you actually see? All you see is a portrayal of Federation life, not about Klingon life. Does anyone know what Klingon culture is like? What is living as a Klingon like?
2. Klingons have often been portrayed as the villains. This makes them an instant fit as a PvP faction, the aggressor, the villain, etc. Does anyone know what type of missions the Klingons go on? Do you know what type of PvE content should the Klingons get, since most of us don't want a copy of the Fed content.
3. The majority of the population plays in the Fed side. It's natural most of the development effort should benefit most of the players. It is a vicious circle though, since it's natural again to leave the neglected side, which further feeds the decay.
Basically, I look at it this way. I bought a STO account, not a Klingon account, not a Federation account. I don't see a need to be polarized about this. Just encourage the devs to always add to the Klingon faction. I do not expect the devs to add to the Klingon faction only because the population majority is just not there. And just like any Star Trek experience, it centers around the Federation. Play a Fed if you are bored in the Klingon faction.
If you really bought STO just to play the Klingons and only the Klingons, then I would question why you only bought 1/10 of the game.
And for the inevitable "go level a Klingon to 45 before you speak replies", my first character to 45 is a Klingon. Got a Fed to 6, then switched to Klingon, and get her to 45 before the T1-4 pvp queues started to die down. Went back to level my Fed to 45 to justify all the pvp imbalance cries, and stayed mostly as a Fed after that. I've long accepted that Federation gameplay is the emphasis of this game and I don't have a bone against it.
Cryptic may think that if people stay in or go to the KDF, true. But the more people going there, the more people will see what's wrong, what's missing, and start to complain. I can't complain about something without having seen the flaws. Even less can I offer suggestions and improvement. That's one important point - the whining isn't getting anyone anywhere. Trolling like spamming in every posting "yeah f-u, we klingons get nothing and you ask for bikinis" isn't exactly helpful. While I don't think bikinis should have priority over improvements to KDF content, I also see why people react like that. On both sides. Its frustration, and that won't help any faction. Fed players may as well leave alltogether because they are annoyed by whining Klingons, seeing them as a faction of forum trolls or griefers.
First of all, you have the obvious problem of the tutorial. Every player starts with a Fed character. Many stick with what they have from there, simply because its easy. Or because they can as well have a Fed Klingon if they just like the species self.
People rolling a KDF character later know what they get into. A lack of everything. So many will stick with their Fed, why give up something everyone says is the better deal? Call me a hippie, but that's also partly the negativity everywhere. Instead of trying to strengthen the faction by telling people what they miss (and if its only small things) and lure them in, all you read is complaints.
In the end, that comes out as "a minority never happy with anything". Not really the most powerful front to make demands, as justified as they are.
2) Klingons have been portrayed as Villians. However over the 5 tv series the balance clearly leans towards Klingons being allies.
I could suggest plenty of Klingon stories.
3) i agree there are more Federation players and therefore more emphasis on them. However the current balance is dreadful.
I continue to believe that a healthy Klingon faction is very important to the survival of STO.
Licensed novels have done a damn lot for species outside the Federation; a Romulan language has been developed that way; cultural backgrounds have been shown, and there are already elements from novels in STO. I see no reason why its not possible to also use some of the Klingon stories, or even hire a writer for them.
There are 1000 episodes of star trek. You aren't helping matters.
Either way, there is more than enough about the Klingons to make content. I have already suggested a massive story ark in previous threads. It takes time.
Did you file a bug for the not-completing part?
Exploration missions are bad filler reruns on the Federation side too, so that just means equal treatment.
The problem here is until something is done, people won't play, a big circle here. So FIX Klingons, add some end game stuff to keep feds happy and then worry about eye candy stuff and other races.
You're right. There aren't many episodes that show Klingon's life or culture. I could only find a few:
# ENT: (11)
* "Broken Bow"
* "Unexpected"
* "Sleeping Dogs"
* "Marauders"
* "Judgment"
* "Bounty"
* "The Expanse"
* "Borderland"
* "The Augments"
* "Affliction"
* "Divergence"
# TOS: (7)
* "Errand of Mercy"
* "Friday's Child"
* "The Trouble with Tribbles"
* "A Private Little War"
* "Elaan of Troyius"
* "Day of the Dove"
* "The Savage Curtain" (Excalbian recreation only)
# TAS: (2)
* "More Tribbles, More Troubles"
* "The Time Trap"
# TNG: (29)
* "Hide and Q"
* "Heart of Glory"
* "A Matter Of Honor"
* "The Emissary"
* "Shades of Gray" (archive footage only)
* "The Offspring" (hologram only)
* "Sins of the Father"
* "Reunion"
* "Future Imperfect" (illusion only)
* "The Drumhead"
* "The Mind's Eye"
* "Redemption"
* "Redemption II"
* "Unification I"
* "Unification II"
* "New Ground"
* "Ethics"
* "Cost of Living"
* "Imaginary Friend"
* "Rascals"
* "A Fistful of Datas"
* "Aquiel"
* "Birthright, Part I"
* "Birthright, Part II"
* "The Chase"
* "Suspicions"
* "Rightful Heir"
* "Gambit, Part II"
* "Firstborn"
# DS9: (39)
* "Past Prologue"
* "Dramatis Personae"
* "Invasive Procedures"
* "Melora"
* "Blood Oath"
* "Crossover"
* "The House of Quark"
* "Visionary"
* "Through the Looking Glass"
* "The Way of the Warrior"
* "The Sword of Kahless"
* "Return to Grace"
* "Sons of Mogh"
* "Rules of Engagement"
* "Shattered Mirror"
* "Broken Link"
* "Apocalypse Rising"
* "Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places"
* "Nor the Battle to the Strong"
* "Trials and Tribble-ations"
* "In Purgatory's Shadow"
* "By Inferno's Light"
* "Soldiers of the Empire"
* "Children of Time"
* "Sons and Daughters"
* "Sacrifice of Angels"
* "You Are Cordially Invited"
* "In the Pale Moonlight"
* "His Way"
* "The Reckoning"
* "Image in the Sand"
* "Shadows and Symbols"
* "Once More Unto the Breach"
* "The Emperor's New Cloak"
* "Chimera"
* "When It Rains..."
* "Tacking Into the Wind"
* "The Dogs of War"
* "What You Leave Behind"
# VOY: (10)
* "Flashback"
* "Real Life" (hologram only)
* "The Killing Game" (hologram only)
* "The Killing Game, Part II" (hologram only)
* "Infinite Regress"
* "Barge of the Dead" (dream only)
* "Unimatrix Zero, Part II"
* "Lineage"
* "Prophecy"
* "Endgame"
# films: (7)
* Star Trek: The Motion Picture
* Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
* Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
* Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
* Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
* Star Trek Generations
Seriously though, there is plenty of material for them to work with. Just going to the Klingon page of memory alpha alone lists enough to get basic ideas. I'm sure plenty of us here can come up with decent to good episodic PvE mission if we were "asked to help out" or given a "player driven mission creator" that was worth a damn.
According to Wikipedia, there were 726 episodes of Star Trek produced across all series and seasons.
So somewhere between 1/8 and 1/7 Star Trek episodes included Klingons to some extent.
No point, just figured the numbers were interesting.
On the other hand, if you want to talk about the % of player-generated content that isn't utter trash... we better break out some decimal points and extra zeroes. :rolleyes:
Hah yeah, I was just being silly pasting that. I know a many are token appearances, but there are plenty of Klingon centric episodes in there as well. Especially in DS9.
As a side note. 1 Pakled Episode in TNG, and 19 "background" appearances. That 2.7% of all ST episode where you even see a pakled, and only 1 where they speak.
We fix Klingons Gooodd. We make fast. :rolleyes:
Seriously. The biggest problem we have is Klingon players can't say anything anymore without the overwhelming number of Fed's pouncing on our 'QQ Whining'. I really hope they save some of that attitude, and kleenex for the flood of Fed content cries about to be unleashed with Fed v Fed
We know the Klingon PvP only model was a unsucsessful concept. One pushed out due to Cryptic having to ship, or loose the rights. Still when they start talking about off duty clothing, and C-store races, and a third faction for July rather than focusing on exsisting isues....
I dunno. The sky may not be falling, but at the same time ya can only whizz on someone for so long an call it rain...
Seriously, How many MMO's have you played straight out of Beta? Do you not understand they are STILL WORKING ON PvE FOR BOTH SIDES!
The Klingon was barely "Finished" when it was released from Beta.
I think your the kind of person that plays a game for three months, whines about a little thing going wrong, and has a huge dramatic exit.
How many times do people and even the Devs have to say it... We just pasted the 30 day point. That means they got out SOME of the bugs, and the game is working. To have a full story line of quests for Federation is rare at this state in the game...
The Klingon side is coming.., You cannot expect these people to work 24 hours a day on this, so you wont whine about it on the forums...
"I dunno. The sky may not be falling, but at the same time ya can only whizz on someone for so long an call it rain..."
Have you ever played another MMO? Being a vet of SWG, SOE "Whizzed" all over every proffession in the game for months apon months... and you have a hissy fit because 30-40 days out of the shoot, the game isn't PERFECT!
Sure did. BTW I do like the T2 cruiser.
Decent PVE, Are you serious? All they did was cut and paste federation mission and called it klingon. The Devs probably consider that a days work and have already moved onto new federation content while those of us that are trying to keep this faction alive are just shaking our heads. We asked for Klingon Episodic content, story arcs, etc...and what did we get more grinding.
Honestly are you Federation players this dense or does it take years of training?
You had, empire defense.
Now you have, empire defense + exploration missions. Even if I keep the math very simple for you, thats 100% increase! Things seem to be heading in the right direction.
For you to think that all the devs are sitting around and doing something for someone else instead of taking 15 minutes of "Copy and Pasting" federation content and making up some story for klingons shows me that you really have no idea what you're talking about. People like you act like you're being scorned by Cryptic because they gave you a pvp only class, you rolled it, and now you feel you should complain because they instantly don't turn around the content they already told you didn't exist. For some reason you conjure up this childish idea that if they would spend a day on it you would have klingon pve. But they won't, because, they hate you.
I understand that nobody on this thread can have any intellect but ****ed off klingon players so I won't even say antyhing about your flame. You're cool.
That's the spirit!
Actually SOE whizzed for years.. and yes I too was a SWG vet, and understand things take time. You only posted the last line of my comment, but..
My comment is not a hissy fit, it's a poke that Pakleds.. well never mind.
Point is, no community will sit by and let their game play suffer thanks to what SOE did, now before you go off an start misquoting me again. No I don't think Cryptic is pulling an NGE. Yes I agree things take time. yes I agree this is a step in the right direction.
I don't expect a perfect game 30 days out, what i want to see is a company acknowledge it's direction. And I'm sorry if you don't see how the Pakleds, are like buying new curtains when your foundation is cracked, and the roof leaks...