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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I don't know. It's always odd to read some post on the forum..then go to the game and have a totally different experience. I've been playing Klingon and doing mostly ground PvP.


    For me,there's been no shortage of matches..(space or ground). Most of the teams are evenly matched (KvF). Now I am playing a lower level charachter (LC7) but if all the people playing with me are leveling up..theres a whole crop of new Klingons on their way up the ranks.

    Also, Fed players actually seem to be getting the hang of PvP and are giving the Klingons a run for their money. Looks like people are finally rolling science.

    Klingon chat is lively on Qo'nos and I see lots of player characters.

    Most people also seem excited about coming PvE tasks for Klingon's..which is on the test server.

    Again your insanity may vary from mine, but that's what I've noticed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The biggest fix needed to PvP is the queue system, but unless rewards for time spent in PvP roughly equal or exceed those from PvE why PvP? As it stands now the reqards for time spent aren't even close.

    I think the reason "Fed players are getting a handle on PvP" is that those Feds are probably ex-Klingon players leveling a Fed alt. This is the Klingon end game.


    Right now the Klingon faction is in a death spiral. Many are playing Fed alts waiting for the 45-day update and if they are not satisfied at that point they will leave.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Darkstahr wrote: »
    I don't know. It's always odd to read some post on the forum..then go to the game and have a totally different experience. I've been playing Klingon and doing mostly ground PvP.


    For me,there's been no shortage of matches..(space or ground). Most of the teams are evenly matched (KvF). Now I am playing a lower level charachter (LC7) but if all the people playing with me are leveling up..theres a whole crop of new Klingons on their way up the ranks.

    Also, Fed players actually seem to be getting the hang of PvP and are giving the Klingons a run for their money. Looks like people are finally rolling science.

    Klingon chat is lively on Qo'nos and I see lots of player characters.

    Most people also seem excited about coming PvE tasks for Klingon's..which is on the test server.

    Again your insanity may vary from mine, but that's what I've noticed.

    I have had the total opposited of an experience leveling a second KDS character.

    PvP (at least space, since I somehow disliked ground) matches are often totally unbalanced concerning the number of players on each side.

    Most of the time I enter an arena, it's 5 Klings vs 1 Fed. I think it's absolutly no fun but obviously they like easy prey and kill the poor fed over and over again till the match os over or he warps out and the whole Kling team has to wait till some other poor Fed player enters...


    Seriously, the single one most wrong and annoying thing is the que. A match should not start unless there are full teams on each side. This would for example prevent that silly spawn camping.
    And they should IMHO add a penalty for leaving a PvP match before it's over...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I just want to say something......I have gotten some whispers from ppl who know my ingame name .


    "bear your quiting klingons?"

    "bear dont quit man"


    Im just saying it hear so ppl know General Ch'torgh The BEAR will NEVER , NEVER quit playing klingon......I will be dead at my pc with my klingon avatar bear holding his bat'th.........oh my heart........lol just playing foreal tho Im Klingon till death.How many other ppl are crazy enogh to make fed avatars so that my faction could kill them and lvl? you think Im giving up? ****ing never.


    Just tring to get this info out anyway I can to devs so they see , to fed players who enjoy this game and might make Klingons to help us , Just getting the word out that we need some dam help.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    And last but definitely not least, that's what has driven me out of my BoP:
    The QQ and cheat/hack abusing, insulting and whatever from the FED side when you rolled them over with thousands of games experience, top notch gear and effective combos is insane. In the end there was like 1 game out of 5 where I didn't had to read stupid nonsense from the FEDs. Why care providing them someone to play? Shall they rot in their queues, if they kill my fun by behaving like 3 year olds I have no reason to play longer than the 2 average games per day.

    This ,im BG5 too and when im joining a game 5Feds vs 1Klin (me) and after i ambush a solo Fed ...get chased away by the 4 others comming in and get away and cloak. Usually then the insulting starts ,half an hour ago 10 sec after i cloaked i got to read in Zone: "Come'on. Come and die. Dont waste our Time" ...Thats when i dont give anything about them needing the game for their pvp daily and wish a good day in Zone and just leave.

    Also how often i get accused about hacking/cheating just because i know my skills to get out of the Fedball alive ...not fun.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I haven't played in a week and will probably jump back on when the 45 day ptch comes out if it does not live upto my expectations for Klingons I will cancel my account simple as.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Synacus wrote: »
    I just want to say something......I have gotten some whispers from ppl who know my ingame name .


    "bear your quiting klingons?"

    "bear dont quit man"


    Im just saying it hear so ppl know General Ch'torgh The BEAR will NEVER , NEVER quit playing klingon......I will be dead at my pc with my klingon avatar bear holding his bat'th.........oh my heart........lol just playing foreal tho Im Klingon till death.How many other ppl are crazy enogh to make fed avatars so that my faction could kill them and lvl? you think Im giving up? ****ing never.


    Just tring to get this info out anyway I can to devs so they see , to fed players who enjoy this game and might make Klingons to help us , Just getting the word out that we need some dam help.

    Klingon faction, population Bear.

    Notice the Fedrats are getting THREE new playable species, yet our promised Klingon Joined Trill is still "in development"!!!


    Pathetic
    .


    The Klingon High Councel is taking suggestions for a new name for the Empire. So far we have:

    • The Nerfed Empire/Empire of Nerf
    • The Tablescraps Empire
    • The Empire of One
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Klingons: Endangered Species
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I thought Klingons didn't surrender...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Zarcoff wrote: »
    I thought Klingons didn't surrender...

    Roll one, get to BG5, and stay a KDF player and show it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I could not care less if the Klingon empire died out, about time they get revenge for letting you be able to stealth while in combat.. ***** class
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    STObee wrote:

    Notice the Fedrats are getting THREE new playable species, yet our promised Klingon Joined Trill is still "in development"!!!
    .[/I]

    This sums it up.. Feds get all the attention right now, Klingons get scraps. Feds are already getting an expansion, while Klingons never even got out of beta. Also the faction is mostly PvP. If I wanted to play a space game that is PvP centered I would play Eve.

    Add more content, PvE missions, and at the very least a story line otherwise the OP is right, Klingons will eventually die and maybe the game right along with them. Eventually people will get tired of being Feds and will want something new.

    Imagine WoW with no Horde... it would have been dead by now or at the very least on life support.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Edgecase wrote: »
    Maybe I just missed something here, but if there's a long TRIBBLE line forming on the Klingon side, why don't those people go play KvK?


    kvk is cloakfest- xp/hr is 1/2 of what it could be w/ kvf
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Maybe the best days are yet to come when more Feds reach Admiral and/or feel like trying something else.

    Once i got to captain in Fed i felt like i wanted some more variation and made myself a Klingon character, now i'm hooked, its different and could use some more PvE but otherwise its fun. I'll be playing both equally from now on.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I too am worried FvF will kill the already flatlined PvP in the game..

    But hey, least we'll stop seeing the thousands of thousands of FedBear cry posts.. whaaaa cloak is OP, no fair.. boo hoo..

    To be soon replaced with.. whaaaa my Ra5 tac, an't shoot the science guy.. nerf Scramble sensors.. whaaaa...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Tonenili wrote:
    I too am worried FvF will kill the already flatlined PvP in the game..

    But hey, least we'll stop seeing the thousands of thousands of FedBear cry posts.. whaaaa cloak is OP, no fair.. boo hoo..

    To be soon replaced with.. whaaaa my Ra5 tac, an't shoot the science guy.. nerf Scramble sensors.. whaaaa...

    That's actually the only thing I'm looking forward to with FvF. Seeing the Feds call the nerfhammer on themselves. One of the biggest benefits will be the nerf to Fed Science Vessels, because we all know mindless idiots want to repeatedly bash SPACEBAR and wonder why they're having a tough time taking down those strange glowing shields. But, in their simple minds, "Moar SPACEBAR = Good"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Warmaker01 wrote: »
    , "Moar SPACEBAR = Good"

    Its good, no wait, its great!

    Korthos
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The Klingon empire is not dead, it's just waiting for the promised content that the Federation got at launch, so why make another faction when they can only get one out of two right in the beginning? yes, I remember the old saying "if it isn't broke don't fix it" will this is broken so please fix it properly, and not with a band aid please.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Imagine WoW with no Horde... it would have been dead by now or at the very least on life support.

    Playing Klingon in STO would be like playing wow where the horde could only level via one really boring grindfest quest and PvP and you are restricted to Durotar and Orgrimmar only.

    I have tried to get into playing my klingon but its pointless. One boring repeatable mission, or PvP that ends up usually as 1-2 klingon ships against a huge fedball. Being restricted to TWO sector blocks is a complete slap in the face.

    Klingons should have had a full PvE experience like the feds, would have kept more people sticking around, would have seen a better population balance vs the current 99% fed/<1% klingon.

    The klingon faction is dead, no amount of band aids will fix it. The new KDF "PvE" content is just a few exploration missions (to at least get those badges that are unobtainable now), this just makes leveling a klingon a slightly less mindless grind.

    Just get it over with and remove klingons or merge them into the federation so the KDF can play the fed PvE content.

    I would love to see playable Romulans and Cardassians (I have heard romulans have a good chance with a fair chance at playable cardies), but I suspect they will be the same no-content mindless grind that the KDF currently is.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Na, klinks aint dead...yet...thay are just on the endangered species list. Tried the PvP thing, at 5 to 1, i made some very nice explosions. If there is not a mission that has to be done inorder to get to the next rank that involves PvP, then I'm not going to do PvP. If there is a mission that requires PvP inorder to make the next rank, oh well, guess thats as far as I am going.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The issue I see is that the Fed side has quests that grant some very nice equipment while the klingon side has none of this at all. Then add to that the PVP aspect where the klingons are having to face a tough battle against an opponet that is better equiped. (for example my fed LC has a shield that is over 4000 points where my klingon has only 2700). The only solution that I can see is gathering items with my fed and mailing them to the klingon character which to me seems a little cheap but it is the only way to manage some fairness between the sides.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Most of the people that would enjoy a PVP faction like Klingons, left weeks ago (as I did) when they discovered that the Klingon faction is a barely finished shell of a faction, and that PVP is an unbalanced meaningless reptetive mess. So all they have left playing are fanbois and PVE focused roleplayers.

    That's why its dead over on the Klingon side.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Laramie wrote: »
    Na, klinks aint dead...yet...thay are just on the endangered species list. Tried the PvP thing, at 5 to 1, i made some very nice explosions. If there is not a mission that has to be done inorder to get to the next rank that involves PvP, then I'm not going to do PvP. If there is a mission that requires PvP inorder to make the next rank, oh well, guess thats as far as I am going.

    Adding in Fed vs Fed PVP arenas, and still leaving Klingons with no real playable game at the 45 day mark is the death knell for the faction.

    Until they put in a true playable faction, with some meaningful PVP, its just going to get worse.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Inviegle wrote: »
    Most of the people that would enjoy a PVP faction like Klingons, left weeks ago (as I did) when they discovered that the Klingon faction is a barely finished shell of a faction, and that PVP is an unbalanced meaningless reptetive mess. So all they have left playing are fanbois and PVE focused roleplayers.

    That's why its dead over on the Klingon side.

    I'm not a fan boy or a role player, I just enjoy PVE over PVP, but yes, as you said it is not dead YET, however, if things are not fixed properly the death knell will be a few months before SW:ToR is released, maybe that's why they are trying to squeeze this as much as they can before hand.

  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well, i`ve been BG for a little while now and its a pretty miserable experience. I was in the "wait and see" camp but as the days go by, it is really starting to get to me (
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I played my Klingon to BG5 when the queues were full both sides. I played a Fed to RA5 to see what that was like. It was repetitive in it's own way but I liked a few of the missions (Doomsday machine was fun). Now trying to PvP with my Fed is unpleasant. The queue takes so long to get to a poorly populated match, you end up doing other things. The wait time really nullifies PvP as a game objective for feds. Sadly, the current Klingon queue's are so empty, it is equally unpleasant there too. 5-1 for 5 minutes before another Klingon shows up ruins the match. FvF will crush the current queue dynamics, and make it worse, if such an event is possible.

    I see others like me log in, do what is required for the Klingon daily. Log my Fed character in , do what is required to get his 5 MoH and 5 MoE. We are waiting for the devs to change the current situation. Hilariously, they plan to, by introducing FvF. /rimshot

    I usually try to offer a solution suggestion, but the previous 9 pages contain a lot of ideas,and my list would be 9 months of work at the current rate of progress, so it would be meaningless.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Thrax73 wrote:
    I have a RA 5 Fed I truly love, but those mega long pvp queues lead me to roll a Klingon. Im now Lt Cmd 8 and while the instant queues for pvp are great, its a much tougher grind without any real pve. I tend to like to mix things up, grab a few matchs then hit some episodes. Thats why most people who roll klingons wont make it past T2, no pve content to fall back on when you have had your fill of pvp.

    Honestly, the whole Klingon/Fed war seems out of character to me. Cryptic should have had Romulans, Cardassians/Jem'Hedar as opposing factions. Klingons value honor above all else and the Fed's value it too, while the roms and cards are more the backstab types.

    Lastly. Whatever happens. We need a real pvp neutral zone. I am so sick of looking at the same capture and hold match that everyone rolls in. Where is deep, dark, space. Wide open expanses. Real starbases to attack and defend.

    If I had my fill of PVP i will go play my Sci Vessel on Fed side..... Is it this hard for people to do?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010

    I'm not a fan boy or a role player, I just enjoy PVE over PVP, but yes, as you said it is not dead YET, however, if things are not fixed properly the death knell will be a few months before SW:ToR is released, maybe that's why they are trying to squeeze this as much as they can before hand.



    I think Star Wars will be out in 2011... i think they will polish everything up. Star Wars is just like Star Trek with probably alot more followers. Therefore they can hold on and polish it up before releasing. The name will sell it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    If I had my fill of PVP i will go play my Sci Vessel on Fed side..... Is it this hard for people to do?

    Once your RA5, what exactly is there to do with your science vessel? I mean, ok, get your MoE. Then ... grind AI mobs ad infinitum? To what end? For the very very very very rare blue or purple drop?Sector defense against the borg in Gamma Orianus? Roleplay? What exactly do you do with your science vessel?

    I will PvE with my Fed for the MoE, I try and PvP for the MoH. I'm testing different combinations of bridge officers, ships and consoles to explore build details and playstyles...but the crucible of success is PvP, not exploration grinding.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I am just really honestly beggining to believe that Cryptic simply isnt listening to any of us. They post polls asking for what Klingons want..then give us the barest of crumbs.
    I got told I was flaming Cryptic for my post on being dissapointed at Cryptic about the upcoming patch. I really don't think that poster has any idea what flaming someone really is.
    Cryptic has its priorities askew, plain and simple, and they are going to kill their game if they keep it up.
    With the exception of some major mechanical bugs their entire focus (at least 80%) should have been Klingon PVE in order to save the faction and reverse is population loss.
    I mean really take a look at it...
    Lets see:

    oooo New Hair styles -- WHAT?!?! -- Who has been crying for New Hairstyles????? They wasted time on THAT?!?! - Rather than using that time for Klingon PVE?

    New Stances-mmmm-- HUH?!?!

    New Klingon ship custumization...umm....ok....can we trade that for klingon PVE now and get that at a later date?

    YES - NEW EMOTES...oh my....Jesus Wept... that was SOOOO Needed...made the game for me man!

    Ship Hull Indicator.....GOOD GRIEF?? Show me ONE post where that was asked for...cause like I was SO peeved that my hull indicater didnt look exactly like my ship...NERF NERF NERF!!

    Separated Galaxy battle bridge variant now fires weapons from correct node locations. - ???? - This was stopping gameplay somehow and promoting growth in the game??

    Ships used by many unknown species now uses blue detailing instead of yellow - Sweet Great Pumpkin WE NEEDED THAT CAUSE I WAS SO CONFUSED!

    Updated some mission Klingon ship names -- Yup tons of confusion and angst among the player population on this one oh boy

    Updated Fleet Logo lighting on several ships -- Lighting....LIGHTING?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??

    The impulse glow and trails for the Klingon Carrier are now yellow instead of red-- My personal favorite - WHAWHAWHAT??? Was anyone confused, ticked off or in anyway dissatisfied with RED trailers on their carrier...FOR THE LOVE OF KHALESS!!!

    Admiral Quinn has stopped using players' nicknames in most instances. - How DARE HIM!

    Corrected text errors (in general) ok, this ones valid but did it really take any REAL time to fix? I mean your fixing a SPELLING error in script!!

    Klingon NPCs should now use a wider variety of costume options -- YEAH cause seeing them in the same old uniforms was ticking me off and making me not wanna be a Klingon!!

    Borg space neutralizer impact SFX are a bit louder now. - Why was the hearing impaired logging a complaint at the ACLU or something?

    Optimized the planet in the background of the login screen -- yeah cause I so totally didnt like that on login....

    Weapons no longer cast inappropriate shadows -- Another personal Fav....HOLY GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLEY - Those dang "inappropriate" shadows......totally so non canon ..or something

    The Entire environment update -- Plants sticking out a mans wall etc etc etc....Just makes me want to cry all this lost time for things THAT DON't MATTER!! Not when the entire faction of Klingons is dang near on Life support!

    The list goes on. And yes there were some really neat updates and stuff..but there is a MASSIVE list of wasted time, effort and manpower on things that do NOT effect game play..that DO NOT hinder game play and that are NOT kliing the game as a 2 faction pvp war.

    CRYPTIC......start listening to the HUGE outcry of your fan base of Klingons before this game becomes a Fed PVE or FvF ONLY game and dies shortly sometime after!

    Holy crud guys (Cryptic) what the heck are you seriously thinking????

    To heck with hairstyles, skirts, stances and plants poking through walls...FIX THE BLOODY GAME!
    Klingons are a dying breed and it isnt happening slowly but at a rapid death spiral.

    Time to start listening to the peeps that PLAY the freaking game and MMO's and not whatever hair gelled loafer wearing goof ball your listening to in the office!

    Ok Rant off...but seriously Cryptic...you have a GOLD MINE of a game potentially speaking. Dont waste the opportunity, because right now...you are. Your already working on a yet unnamed MMO, dividing your rescources, you already talking and having meetings about more factions when this one is dying fast fast fast, and by the time july or Nov gets here you may not have a viable game to add them too anyway.
    Please dont let this game die or become a joke...it's too good and has too great a potential to let it go this way.

    Hmm did I say rant off? Ok maybe is was an aftershock.
    To save the Klingon faction it needs to GROW. The only way it's going to grow is if you give the klingons things to do...umm..like...the feds. It's not about gear....its not about clothes and hair or what my windows on my hull look like. It's about how fun is it to play the faction. People are growing bored with only the monoline action of things to do. The Star Clusters on tribble.........not nearly enough. And to those who say hey they are working on it slowly......Allow me to point up at some of the examples man hours and monies are being utilized on, OVER working on serious Klingon PVE..the ONLY thing that will save the faction.

    Ugh...all tired out, not to mention I am sure I am only repeating what has been said a million times already to a deaf ear, and a blind eye.

    Ahh Well.
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