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I have done the following things in the last week to try and save it...
I have yelled in netural zone begging some feds to switch over to blance the game before it dies.
I have yelled in sol system , asking ppl if they love this game to help try and save it by making a klingon.
I have rolled and rerolled FED klingons just to help get some games off the ground in T 1 to get these guys some exp.......ask ppl on my friends list what number I am on cuz i honestly dont even know.....
Sometimes even runninga round with no shields on just to die so they can lvl......
Nothing seems to be helping maybe alittle but not enogh to really do anything.......When i was in star base asking ppl why they wont roll a klingon , one guy said"are the Q times shorter over there?" before i could answer another guy said "dont worry we are getting F vs F soon"..........we are done. Its over for us son , much like star trek 6 we just got to choose where and how to die , but we are dead.Ethier make the peace with the fedration FULL TIME , let us join them let us do all there quests , let us be in the fedration with our warbirds or just shut us down....Cuz its over son.
I have yelled in netural zone begging some feds to switch over to blance the game before it dies.
I have yelled in sol system , asking ppl if they love this game to help try and save it by making a klingon.
I have rolled and rerolled FED klingons just to help get some games off the ground in T 1 to get these guys some exp.......ask ppl on my friends list what number I am on cuz i honestly dont even know.....
Sometimes even runninga round with no shields on just to die so they can lvl......
Nothing seems to be helping maybe alittle but not enogh to really do anything.......When i was in star base asking ppl why they wont roll a klingon , one guy said"are the Q times shorter over there?" before i could answer another guy said "dont worry we are getting F vs F soon"..........we are done. Its over for us son , much like star trek 6 we just got to choose where and how to die , but we are dead.Ethier make the peace with the fedration FULL TIME , let us join them let us do all there quests , let us be in the fedration with our warbirds or just shut us down....Cuz its over son.
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The faction is stagnant, population dwindling to a slow, convulsive death.
But when you think about what there IS for the Klingon faction, can you blame people for NOT trying it out or sticking around? Why bother when you can have a more complete game as a Fed player as well as the ear (and hearts and minds) of the devs?
All true points....Im taking time out of my gameplay to reroll these dam fed avatars just so we can get ppl out T 1...ive wasted hours.I have had to do that TRIBBLE kitamer quest millions of times it seems.......I cant Q for pvp till lvl 6 so ive done the patoral mission thats side tons too.
I love this side with all my heart but I cant think of anything else to do.......
But honestly, i see pretty much klingons on the battlefields and they allways give me the hell of a fight.
Those are NPC's your in the wrong area.......
Considering how the KDF faction is about to die, maybe he isn't
Ya I didnt mean to be cold , ive had a TRIBBLE week as i have told you.....im sure some tiers are ok and hopefully ive had some small part in helping with that , but the two tiers that matter are T 1 and T 5. Thats how many are coming in and how many are lvl capped and playing.
and it looks bad.....
The real test tho did a warzone borg hunt today , was even teams , was pretty dam fun ,and also was full fed teams except me.........when you go into a warzone and the program has to put all feds on your side......ya.
Perhaps it will stop the Queues from being 115 Federation against 3 Klingons, but thats it.
Why get into FvK when you can circle jerk with your Fed buddies in FvF?
Mark my words: All the Feds will be FvF, and FvK will be as dead as KvK. The vast majority of this game are playing Feds, something like 90-95% (just look at the que blue-Fed : red-KDF ratios), and the Feds will PvP with each other more because:
A) It is more accessible since there are far, far, far, fare more of them to fight than Klingon players.
Most Feds have never played KDF, and the way things are now and for the foreseeable future, never will (and why should they?). Look at the sheer number of posts about Feds complaining about the KDF, how they refuse the adapt and face the truth that the Klingons fight and act differently. But since they've cut their teeth working solely on Fed side of the game, they'll be happy to PvP against something they're familiar with. Another Federation warship.
Cryptic: Seriously, I see it now. I understand. You guys never really wanted this faction. Just delete it to save yourselves more work and finding pathetic excuses to justify the "PvP only" aspect of the Klingons. Either that or just reinstate the Kitomer Accords and enslave the Empire to the Federation.
The proportion of players who are willing to PvP or tolerates PvP is a very tiny minority.
My major concern with FvF PvP is that people might have the perception that it's balanced, nevermind that the poor PvP players will still get a pasting. Therefore Fed mains will stay with FvF to get their PvP fix.
The major damage done with FvK is the perception that F and K are not balanced. (cue: cloak, BoP, Science Vessels etc)
I have a RA 5 Fed I truly love, but those mega long pvp queues lead me to roll a Klingon. Im now Lt Cmd 8 and while the instant queues for pvp are great, its a much tougher grind without any real pve. I tend to like to mix things up, grab a few matchs then hit some episodes. Thats why most people who roll klingons wont make it past T2, no pve content to fall back on when you have had your fill of pvp.
Honestly, the whole Klingon/Fed war seems out of character to me. Cryptic should have had Romulans, Cardassians/Jem'Hedar as opposing factions. Klingons value honor above all else and the Fed's value it too, while the roms and cards are more the backstab types.
Lastly. Whatever happens. We need a real pvp neutral zone. I am so sick of looking at the same capture and hold match that everyone rolls in. Where is deep, dark, space. Wide open expanses. Real starbases to attack and defend.
well, you have KvK so why not FvF?
were sick and tired to have to wait 45 minutes or more for a 10 minute game so this is certainly welcomed.
This cant be true or you wouldnt have 200 feds in Q with 3 Klingons , if they dont like pvp why are they Qed?
I think the trouble is Allowing three fed classes , and then THEN allowing ONLY 3 Avatar slots.......ppl just are not tring klingons , they are making all three slots/ classes on one side.
Then you make a Klingon and get in right away , now your taking the only reason some ppl even try Klingons away........I understand everything is all about you fedration 24 / 7 all the time , ya thats great but even you cant be so short sighted as to not see how damageing it will be to not have a enemy to fight. No ying to the yang , no good to the evil. Why are you even fighting these fedration players again? some mirrior universe? Lets just stop calling this game star trek for one and call it Fedration.
I dunno maybe , I know T 1 is so bad I have had to make avatars on the fed side to help them get out of the brakect even......but its still dead at T 5.....losing them somewhere in the middle , you have tons of klingons then at T 5 they are gone.
So, you're saying Fed players prefer playing with themselves.
Because even with the huge sci officer/ship advantage that Feds have, most can't get over "the cloak", and will take great joy in fighting F v F instead of Klingons. I have a solution, and that is because it is "simulation" for Feds, no xp and no medals for F v F. Simple.
Nope those were player ships i think it was in a borg battlefield called borg hunt. There were Player Named Klingon Ships there that could attack us and did pretty well at it actually.
If it werent player ships the system for name generation would indeed be very strange because i dont think that a system would name its ship BOP Boobie....
I doubt I will ever go back to Fed on a regular basis with preference.
I love my BOP so much that I have not even bothered with a Carrier yet.
I will soon though.
I can say with confidence that Tier 5 cues are very quick for me almost all the time.
It is always very satisfying as a Klingon to be down 600 to 1200 against the Feds being in control and come back and win. Happens alot.
K'rapok General KDF
1. We get the T2 Cruiser
2. We get our promised Joined Trill Klingon characters
3. They "fix" Klingon experience by adding PvE and make the rewards fo PvP approximates rewards and drops for Fed PvE in the same time spent.
They one chance to get the above done right - the mythical 45-day patch. Of course they could start implementing the above any time, no need to wait. Just upping the rewards for PvP would get more people interested in PvP.
That said, I agree that KvK and FvF should be less than KvF.
There are many many MANY more Fed players than the 200 you see queued. In fact, most of those queued are multiples anyway, since you can put yourself in 3 queues at once. Even then, if you do a simple search for players in any Fed instance, you will easily find far far FAR more Fed players than those queued. 200 is just but a tiny proportion of the number of Fed players online at any time.
Also, many just want to get over with their dailies. I would even put my neck out and say that if not for the dailies, at t5, there would be far fewer PvPing.
Okay, quick rundown of why some people rolling klink as a fedbear should stop.
1. We get the T2 Cruiser - The ships we have will not make the game better in PvE at all. In PvP it will make a nominal difference at best for anything under T4.
2. We get our promised Joined Trill Klingon characters - Joined Trill is a Federation only race in canon. Klingons were always only Klingon, so right there Cryptic has broken the whole canon thing. Personally I think it is a rediculous statement that youll only play klink if you get to play as a joined trill. Typical fedbear whining right there buddy, practice your fedbear tactics elsewhere.
3. They "fix" Klingon experience by adding PvE and make the rewards fo PvP approximates rewards and drops for Fed PvE in the same time spent. - While I would like to get the PvE rewards that feds get I just do not see that happening. What I think will happen is sometime soon when we get that PvE multifaction friendly area we as klinks will get some good rewards, but elsewhere it will remain the same. And as far as FvF, if this happens I will most likely quit as a klink since PvP is a joke at T5 and finish off my fedbear for FvF since PvP is about all I do anyhow.
Most players of mmos now participate in PvP in some way. They just don't like to be forced to do it, and want to choose when they do it. Both of those being among the biggest blunders Cryptic made. The other is not offering people viable options in content.
The very clear reason for the death of the faction is Cryptic's decision to make the Klingon faction almost entirely PvP oriented (i.e. forcing people to do it. Yes they did force people because the only other option was mindless grinding), and them not offering much of anything else for players of the faction to do. They listened to idiots that told them that Klingons should be all about the PvP, and have too many idiots on the payroll that believe the same thing.
The only way the faction was ever going to be viable was if it would have been fully fleshed out, with all the variety and amounts of content the Fed side had.
Cryptic was told this over and over and over by the majority of the people planning on playing Klingon and following the game's development, but chose to ignore it, and instead listened to sycophants that didn't have a clue about Star Trek fans or mmos. They're still choosing to ignore it, and only offering the faction PvE content where it can be twinned with Fed content. They still refuse to offer players a Klingon experience, and still think that PvP has something to do with wanting to play Klingon.
In other words, they had (and still have) very very little understanding of mmo players and Star Trek Klingon fans.
It is nice to see some people rolling KDF.