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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    As a Brigadier General all i can say is .. Glory To The Empire! :eek::cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    As a Brigadier General all i can say is .. Glory To The Empire! :eek::cool:

    They could replace my cannons with silly string launchers, my torpedoes launchers with egg sling shots, and turn my cloak in to a disco ball extravaganza... I would still rather play Klingon then Fed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    XedoeSR wrote: »
    Okay, quick rundown of why some people rolling klink as a fedbear should stop.

    1. We get the T2 Cruiser - The ships we have will not make the game better in PvE at all. In PvP it will make a nominal difference at best for anything under T4.

    2. We get our promised Joined Trill Klingon characters - Joined Trill is a Federation only race in canon. Klingons were always only Klingon, so right there Cryptic has broken the whole canon thing. Personally I think it is a rediculous statement that youll only play klink if you get to play as a joined trill. Typical fedbear whining right there buddy, practice your fedbear tactics elsewhere.

    3. They "fix" Klingon experience by adding PvE and make the rewards fo PvP approximates rewards and drops for Fed PvE in the same time spent. - While I would like to get the PvE rewards that feds get I just do not see that happening. What I think will happen is sometime soon when we get that PvE multifaction friendly area we as klinks will get some good rewards, but elsewhere it will remain the same. And as far as FvF, if this happens I will most likely quit as a klink since PvP is a joke at T5 and finish off my fedbear for FvF since PvP is about all I do anyhow.


    Fedbear? You don't know me very well. My Klingon ship name is Fed Slayer, it's one I've used for more than 10 years playing Star Fleet Battles and other MMOs.

    Cruiser: I'm a ST-TOS fan, and in TOS there were no stinking BoPs. BoPs are little dingies, boats not ships, with tiny little crews. Klingons should be flying SHIPS not boats, Battle Cruisers. In TOS Klingons didn't have any cloaks either, and I can do without those as well.

    Joined Trill: If they can't keep their promises they should stop making them and come clean. Refund the extra charge for the Digital Delux edition since I can't use what I paid extra for.

    Fix the Klingons and PvP: That's kinda what this whole thread is about. Hate to tell you but PvP is a joke at all levels. Sniper rifles and pistols have the same range? Maximum range of a ground weapon is 30m? "Ships" that fly like airplanes, sorta, without being able to loop? Space combat that takes place at a significant fraction of lightspeed at ranges of 10k or less? Yah, that's all believable. And what exactly is an "expose" supposed to represent?

    Try space combat at several hundred thousand kilometers, ground combat with open "arenas" sevaral kilometers across and engagement ranges of several kilometers with weapons that 1-shot kill multiple players if they are too close together. That will stop the silly melee fighting. (Melee is okay for boarding actions on a ship, but how often should that happen?)

    Throw in some open PvP areas where we can take a mixed ranked (all tiers) fleet of 100+ players and STO might be a game worth calling believable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I got to RA5 and then switched to Klingon. I like to PVP and have to admit the queue is much shorter and the cloak is nice to have. Though I fly a Raptor so no Battle Cloak.

    The problem I see is that it's so much easier to level up and get gear on the Fed side. Unless you really like PVP in this game, there is no reason to switch. Lets admit it, PVP right now is repetitious and boring.

    The solution is to make PVP better. Make it easier for Klingons to level and obtain good gear and drops.

    I will be sticking with Klingon hoping for the best.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Thrax73 wrote:
    I have a RA 5 Fed I truly love, but those mega long pvp queues lead me to roll a Klingon. Im now Lt Cmd 8 and while the instant queues for pvp are great, its a much tougher grind without any real pve. I tend to like to mix things up, grab a few matchs then hit some episodes. Thats why most people who roll klingons wont make it past T2, no pve content to fall back on when you have had your fill of pvp.

    Honestly, the whole Klingon/Fed war seems out of character to me. Cryptic should have had Romulans, Cardassians/Jem'Hedar as opposing factions. Klingons value honor above all else and the Fed's value it too, while the roms and cards are more the backstab types.

    Lastly. Whatever happens. We need a real pvp neutral zone. I am so sick of looking at the same capture and hold match that everyone rolls in. Where is deep, dark, space. Wide open expanses. Real starbases to attack and defend.

    I totally agree with the different factions. TRIBBLE. I wouldn't even mind a third faction. I like playing the evil side...can't get more evil than the space TRIBBLE cardies. Klingons are too nice from a whitewashing in TNG, DS9, and Voyager.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ceasar1 wrote:
    I got to RA5 and then switched to Klingon. I like to PVP and have to admit the queue is much shorter and the cloak is nice to have. Though I fly a Raptor so no Battle Cloak.

    The problem I see is that it's so much easier to level up and get gear on the Fed side. Unless you really like PVP in this game, there is no reason to switch. Lets admit it, PVP right now is repetitious and boring.

    The solution is to make PVP better. Make it easier for Klingons to level and obtain good gear and drops.

    I will be sticking with Klingon hoping for the best.

    Well, i think it is easier to get gear on the klingon side, but as far as leveling goes. It is pretty disproportionate. It seems like an easy way to get the Klingons up to fighting strength is to just take off the xp nerf. Also, for making pvp better, the could make more maps. Don't we only have like 2 or 3 ground maps? And space isn't much different, just different in group size. One of the great things about swg pvp was that it could literally be anywhere.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Maybe I just missed something here, but if there's a long TRIBBLE line forming on the Klingon side, why don't those people go play KvK?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I just got a rig that wouldn't lag out (and cause my teammates to die because of me). Started a Klingon last night and really enjoyed it. Have to give much respect to the Klingon's who ground out to Admiral , I can see how it would be a a serious snooze fest. I still look forward to PvP'ing though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Don't forget the War and actual meaningful House conflict, it would help if it actually was going and provide context for KvK and FvF as well as FvK...see the "War" link in my sig.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    malize wrote: »
    Don't forget the War and actual meaningful House conflict, it would help if it actually was going and provide context for KvK and FvF as well as FvK...see the "War" link in my sig.

    Thats a great read Maliize and great idea but we are losing them in the lvling process somewhere , ppl are tring klingons they are getting out of T 1 but stop somewhere in the middle and never make it to T 5.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Hagon wrote: »
    That is simply untrue. The sheer numbers of people PvPing (or wanting to PvP anyway) on the Fed side is evidence enough that it's a fallacy.

    Most players of mmos now participate in PvP in some way. They just don't like to be forced to do it, and want to choose when they do it. Both of those being among the biggest blunders Cryptic made. The other is not offering people viable options in content.

    The very clear reason for the death of the faction is Cryptic's decision to make the Klingon faction almost entirely PvP oriented (i.e. forcing people to do it. Yes they did force people because the only other option was mindless grinding), and them not offering much of anything else for players of the faction to do. They listened to idiots that told them that Klingons should be all about the PvP, and have too many idiots on the payroll that believe the same thing.

    The only way the faction was ever going to be viable was if it would have been fully fleshed out, with all the variety and amounts of content the Fed side had.

    Cryptic was told this over and over and over by the majority of the people planning on playing Klingon and following the game's development, but chose to ignore it, and instead listened to sycophants that didn't have a clue about Star Trek fans or mmos. They're still choosing to ignore it, and only offering the faction PvE content where it can be twinned with Fed content. They still refuse to offer players a Klingon experience, and still think that PvP has something to do with wanting to play Klingon.

    In other words, they had (and still have) very very little understanding of mmo players and Star Trek Klingon fans.

    This is what I think is happening also , I dont understand it cuz I love Pvp , but I belive this is whats happening for most players.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Hagon is correct , the Klingon side is completely lacking in entertainment value, from an MMO standpoint . I can get just as much entertainment from playing ( prehaps more ) BF:BC 2 then STO . The total absence of a Klingon story line and this includes 2409 end of it . Makes Klingon gameplay dull.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I've been slowly leveling in the emp-.. Lets kill X fed NPC's missions as its the ONLY thing i can get to level up. In the end i believe my Fleet will die out soon enough.We are RP mainly but.. I'm cap on Fed with no one to do high level content and Klingon side i've gotten really bored of just doing the same mission over and over and over again because there is no PvP or enough people in fleet actions around lt/ltcmdr level.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Devs should of listened to us in closed beta and all this could have been avoided - heck Devs should of listened when the boards were a flame even before beta began because many people had a bad feeling regarding Klingon play.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Serpieri wrote: »
    Devs should of listened to us in closed beta and all this could have been avoided - heck Devs should of listened when the boards were a flame even before beta began because many people had a bad feeling regarding Klingon play.

    They already do it's called the Vo'Quo , only difference will be the lack of pets.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well Admittedly I started a Fed char as my friends have too. But my favourite aspect of this game, by far and away is PvP. My Fed just reached admiral today and I have enjoyed very short queues from tier 2 through 4. But as soon as I got to 5 its a 20min waiting game and then somehow its stupid lopsided teams either full of Klingon or full of feds?

    The Queue system needs to be addressed and there needs to be some serious tweeking of the Klingon levelling experience to attract people. I have rolled a Klingon anyway because they would have been my prefered choice.

    If anyone is willing to take me into a fleet/ PvP group Klingon side please let me know. My Klingon is called Skraal. Its such a shame that people are being put off by playing Klingon but its totally understandable why, there is <10% of the content as there is for Fed side it seems.

    But stick it out boys and girls, I'm certain there will be plenty of stuff on the way to get our Bat'leths stuck into!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Beaker2009 wrote: »
    So, you're saying Fed players prefer playing with themselves.

    They will, man, they will.

    I've been playing with my Fed character alot lately (Capt2 now) and put my BG5 Klingon on the backburner. I've done PvE but alot of PvP due to my old KDF blood. I can't tell you how much I hear Feds complain about KDF ships, i.e. Cloaks. Every now and then a few complain about cannons and BoPs, but the Cloaks they truly hate.

    The Feds will flock to FvF because their opponents will be exactly like them, and most especially, no cloaks.

    Mark my words, few will be doing FvK when the FvF changes go live.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Warmaker01 wrote: »
    They will, man, they will.

    I've been playing with my Fed character alot lately (Capt2 now) and put my BG5 Klingon on the backburner. I've done PvE but alot of PvP due to my old KDF blood. I can't tell you how much I hear Feds complain about KDF ships, i.e. Cloaks. Every now and then a few complain about cannons and BoPs, but the Cloaks they truly hate.

    The Feds will flock to FvF because their opponents will be exactly like them, and most especially, no cloaks.

    Mark my words, few will be doing FvK when the FvF changes go live.

    And more importantly mostly clueless like them so they stand a chance...:eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The main problem is and stands that when you reach BG5 as Klingon all you can do is PvP, the same old PvP you had to do mindlessly the last couple of weeks/days, thousands of matches long.
    I can't blame anyone who thinks "Guess what, maybe I try 98% of the other content STO has out too." Especially because it doesn't provide you anything valuable, except for 3 matches a day (every 3rd day only warzone, so like 2 matches a day in average). And most of the people don't even care for honor marks anymore. They got their piece of equip they needed and what now?

    Most of the Klingon fleets have scattered. People went to other games or to the FED side. The community breaks down and there is even less urge to play.

    And last but definitely not least, that's what has driven me out of my BoP:
    The QQ and cheat/hack abusing, insulting and whatever from the FED side when you rolled them over with thousands of games experience, top notch gear and effective combos is insane. In the end there was like 1 game out of 5 where I didn't had to read stupid nonsense from the FEDs. Why care providing them someone to play? Shall they rot in their queues, if they kill my fun by behaving like 3 year olds I have no reason to play longer than the 2 average games per day.



    For the FvF-part. I think there will be FEDs in FvK queues, but as soon as the game pops I guess Klingon team is full, 1 FED stumbles in (rest sits in already popped FvF games or PvE), gets ganked, warps out, after 5mins another FED comes in, rinse and repeat. A ****ing boring PvP experience with much QQ (unbalanced sides), which drives FEDs even more into their own arms.
    (balancing a FvF is way easier than FvK, because you can put the same kind of players on either side. It will also pop quite fast because you don't have to wait for another faction which might be under-represented)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Hagon wrote: »
    That is simply untrue. The sheer numbers of people PvPing (or wanting to PvP anyway) on the Fed side is evidence enough that it's a fallacy.

    Most players of mmos now participate in PvP in some way. They just don't like to be forced to do it, and want to choose when they do it. Both of those being among the biggest blunders Cryptic made. The other is not offering people viable options in content.

    I still disagree. Look at the T1-T4 queues and you find far fewer Feds queuing for PvP. In fact, you find it's the Klingons usually waiting longer for a PvP match from T1-T4. It's my experience now that I'm leveling my 2nd Klingon.

    T5 is the reverse, because there are few Klingons who have managed that hardcore PvP lifestyle to reach T5 and many Feds really only experience PvP for the first time in T5.

    Also T5 has most Feds queueing for, in my opinion, 1 reason: PvP dailies.

    Take away the PvP dailies and I'm more than certain the number of Feds queueing plummets. If anything, I have lots of people telling me they hate the PvP dailies and the purples purchased from PvP marks because that's forcing them to PvP.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Hagon wrote: »
    That is simply untrue. The sheer numbers of people PvPing (or wanting to PvP anyway) on the Fed side is evidence enough that it's a fallacy.

    Most players of mmos now participate in PvP in some way. They just don't like to be forced to do it, and want to choose when they do it. Both of those being among the biggest blunders Cryptic made. The other is not offering people viable options in content.

    The very clear reason for the death of the faction is Cryptic's decision to make the Klingon faction almost entirely PvP oriented (i.e. forcing people to do it. Yes they did force people because the only other option was mindless grinding), and them not offering much of anything else for players of the faction to do. They listened to idiots that told them that Klingons should be all about the PvP, and have too many idiots on the payroll that believe the same thing.

    The only way the faction was ever going to be viable was if it would have been fully fleshed out, with all the variety and amounts of content the Fed side had.

    Cryptic was told this over and over and over by the majority of the people planning on playing Klingon and following the game's development, but chose to ignore it, and instead listened to sycophants that didn't have a clue about Star Trek fans or mmos. They're still choosing to ignore it, and only offering the faction PvE content where it can be twinned with Fed content. They still refuse to offer players a Klingon experience, and still think that PvP has something to do with wanting to play Klingon.

    In other words, they had (and still have) very very little understanding of mmo players and Star Trek Klingon fans.

    Wow... this explains a lot. What were Cryptic thinking... Sorry Cryptic but you guys really ****ed up lol. Oh well that will teach them to listen to people who not only know nothing about Star Trek, but know little to nothing about MMO's. It's no wonder why the Klingon faction is pretty much dead. I only just started playing a couple of days ago, and it died before I even got to create my Klingon toon... lol. >.<

    Seriously though... why on earth would they think that creating an entire faction that was purely based on PVP would be a good thing, when the other opposing faction has the freedom to do anything and everything that's possible in the game. That's like telling a kid ok... now if you go to daddy and do a little bit of easy work for him, he'll give you all the candy and cake you want, but if you stay here with mummy, i will only give you a couple of lollies, but you'll have to work even harder for me before i give you the couple of lollies... of course the kids gonna go to daddy! -.-
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The war was a bad idea. Now that FvF is coming, we should combine the klingons and feds into one faction. The idea of a two faction game does not work at this stage.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The war was a bad idea. Now that FvF is coming, we should combine the klingons and feds into one faction. The idea of a two faction game does not work at this stage.

    Pretty much agree but KvF PvP should continue as fractious Klingon houses clashing with the Feds is great... but an overarching 'war', rather than just 'clashes' between the Feds and various Klingon Houses, was a bad idea from the start (and makes no sense storyline wise... the Klingons are doing that they are doing to deal with the Undine threat and it makes no sense they would not ally on a 'case by case' basis with the Feds against common threats even whilst clashing with them elsewhere).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The war was a bad idea. Now that FvF is coming, we should combine the klingons and feds into one faction. The idea of a two faction game does not work at this stage.

    Thats probably correct. What would of been better in hindsight maybe was have the Klingon faction and Feds be 'Allied' and fighting a mutual enemy The Borg, and when both sides are well populated a break down in the Kitomer accord could happen in the story line and both factions go to War.

    I have my Klingon character at the moment, but to be honest, grinding millions of ships in a repeatable mission or wait in a BG queue for 20mins only to come away with a measly amount of xp isn't worth my time i'm afraid. I badly want a Klingon character I prefer their look over the feds but there just isn't enough to attract me to playing one right now.

    If there could be 20 Klingons all the same level who want to make groups and grind KvK together for a couple hours an evening i'm definately up for that. Any way of organising this?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I got my RA 45 last Weekend.
    The only thing i can do every Day is doing explore Daylie+infected.
    so i created a Orion KDF Char this Week LtC 6 atm.
    Yes PvP is funny but capture and hold/cracked Planet over and over again is still boring.
    After 2-3h/Day playing my KDF Char i switch back to Fed and doing PvE Missions.
    :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    XedoeSR wrote: »
    Okay, quick rundown of why some people rolling klink as a fedbear should stop.

    1. We get the T2 Cruiser - The ships we have will not make the game better in PvE at all. In PvP it will make a nominal difference at best for anything under T4.

    2. We get our promised Joined Trill Klingon characters - Joined Trill is a Federation only race in canon. Klingons were always only Klingon, so right there Cryptic has broken the whole canon thing. Personally I think it is a rediculous statement that youll only play klink if you get to play as a joined trill. Typical fedbear whining right there buddy, practice your fedbear tactics elsewhere.

    3. They "fix" Klingon experience by adding PvE and make the rewards fo PvP approximates rewards and drops for Fed PvE in the same time spent. - While I would like to get the PvE rewards that feds get I just do not see that happening. What I think will happen is sometime soon when we get that PvE multifaction friendly area we as klinks will get some good rewards, but elsewhere it will remain the same. And as far as FvF, if this happens I will most likely quit as a klink since PvP is a joke at T5 and finish off my fedbear for FvF since PvP is about all I do anyhow.


    Thanks for the advice.. Grizzlyklink.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    KDF got screwed on game play. Add a full KDF game experience like a Fed player has , a KDF only character slot and the KDF will grow.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I think is most want to do the PVE with Klinks. It would help if they can start as klingon from square one.... instead of having to lvl a fed to 6 or whatever.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Tried the PvP thing, hated it. So, now when i got the go to the neutral zone mission, i just went to K7 talked to everyone there and left. No PvPing required. I can live with that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I reached Commander on my Klingon last night, and over the three weeks or so I've been leveling him, I noticed a drop-off in the quality of PvP. I'm not saying I'm anything but average when it comes to PvP, but in the past week, I've lost 75% of the matches I've played through the end. Then there are the matches I chose to beam out of because I didn't have the patience to be the sole Klingon getting held and one-shotted by five or six Feds and 10 turrets.

    I'm seeing fewer and fewer ships moving around Klingon space as well, which is making me start to wonder just how low our population is getting. I can't help but think people are going back Fedside because of the same frustration.

    Whatever PvE content Cryptic can release in the 45-day patch will be a start, but I think fixing what's broken about PvP will make the leveling process more bearable. The primary PvP fix needs to be whatever is wrong with Cryptic's queueing algorithms--teams numbers need to be even at the outset of the match, and need to stay that way throughout the battle!
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