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Shangri-La Class, Summer Event Ship and Wolf 359 Bundle

morrow#1528 morrow Member Posts: 39 Arc User
Right first of all I enjoyed the current mission event and completed 3 vessel masteries.

Right then I would like to know when would Crypto allow to have the original Shangri-La Class sailing through the stars on STO? Because it may be a Beta-Cannon fan made ship which was the Flagship between the Enterprise A and the B at the time. Since the Neo Constitution Class will be playable would it still be good to have a 23rd century ship of it's design.

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Any idea what the Prize ship will be for this Summer Event at Risa? Some rumours on Facebook say it could be the Neo Connie or something from "Strange New Worlds", perhaps Picard. Heh I was expecting something from one of the other StarTrek Games from the past.

Can we get a Bundle involving ships of that were involved in the event of Wolf 359? because I watch this video as I think it be great for the players to get their hands of these vessels some are already in the Fleet store others you can by from Zen Store but having them all together would be brilliant.

Worf 359: The Prelude Part 1 -
Worf 359: The Prelude Part 2 - https://youtu.be/RaPLbgHfw44

Some of those ships were the concept design for the Episode "Pegasus" which was a Nebula Variant with Ambassador Materials and parts aka know as Kit Bash.

So please send me your comments and replies...



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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
    Only way they're giving away new ships from the new series is if they know they wont sell well...otherwise they're going to milk them for gamble boxes

    I doubt they're gonna give any ship that is or is related to the Connie for free
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,472 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I doubt they're gonna give any ship that is or is related to the Connie for free
    Why not? There's a free Connie refit at tier 2. To my mind, that sets a precedent...
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,880 Arc User
    edited June 2023
    jonsills wrote: »
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I doubt they're gonna give any ship that is or is related to the Connie for free
    Why not? There's a free Connie refit at tier 2. To my mind, that sets a precedent...

    It probably has something to do with how the movies set the precedent of putting the Enterprise and its crew on a high pedestal, along with the economic factor of it being so popular that people will actually pay more for it (if they can afford to).
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,689 Arc User
    edited June 2023
    jonsills wrote: »
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I doubt they're gonna give any ship that is or is related to the Connie for free
    Why not? There's a free Connie refit at tier 2. To my mind, that sets a precedent...

    While some have claimed they can use the _T1_ version for endgame content, in the real world they were able to give the T3 Ambassador away as a seasonal event because they knew you could use it for maybe a day or two before moving on.

    This would be a T6 ship, an entirely different kettle of fish.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,472 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I doubt they're gonna give any ship that is or is related to the Connie for free
    Why not? There's a free Connie refit at tier 2. To my mind, that sets a precedent...

    While some have claimed they can use the _T1_ version for endgame content, in the real world they were able to give the T3 Ambassador away as a seasonal event because they knew you could use it for maybe a day or two before moving on.

    This would be a T6 ship, an entirely different kettle of fish.
    Therefore, if they should do such a thing, mine will have to be the USS Kettle of Fish.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    While some have claimed they can use the _T1_ version for endgame content, in the real world they were able to give the T3 Ambassador away as a seasonal event because they knew you could use it for maybe a day or two before moving on.

    This would be a T6 ship, an entirely different kettle of fish.

    They had also given away the T3 Kamarag as the KDF Counterpart back then. The last time they gave away a "faction" ship was the Eisenberg class, which is a T6.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,393 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    While some have claimed they can use the _T1_ version for endgame content, in the real world they were able to give the T3 Ambassador away as a seasonal event because they knew you could use it for maybe a day or two before moving on.

    This would be a T6 ship, an entirely different kettle of fish.

    They had also given away the T3 Kamarag as the KDF Counterpart back then. The last time they gave away a "faction" ship was the Eisenberg class, which is a T6.

    Eisenberg was especial case where Cryptic felt it wouldn't be right to ask for money for that ship. As a rule we pretty much never get faction ships as free event ships, especially for the standard events like summer, winter or anniversary.

    That said I'm pretty sure this years summer event ship has been set in stone for a while now, especially what it it even if the exact design wasn't. When we "designed" one of the Risian summer ships we knew even before the contest began what style of ship it would be (Risian science ship) and it was just the form of that ship that was being asked from the community.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    Well... I THINK we might find out soon what the summer ship will be.

    And IMO I think if the Shangri-La class finds her way into STO... should be C-Store with the OPTION of using the Connie III parts if you have one, and vice versa. HOWEVER the consoles should NOT be part of a set. We learned that from the Inquiry.
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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,674 Arc User
    I'd expect something completely new or off the wall for summer. I don't think anyone would've guessed the Cnidarian Defender last year.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    Maybe they'll give us a flyable Gekli...we've already gotten a jellyfish and a giant 3D-printed Eye of Gowron, so there's absolutely no limits anymore as to what can be made a usable starship.​​
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    Based on the various hints and teases.. these are my pre-reveal speculations:
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    I hope I'm wrong though. I don't really see myself wanting to actually fly either of them. The Dove is almost redundantly similar to the Risian Cruiser in shape and design.
  • amayakitsuneamayakitsune Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    And IMO I think if the Shangri-La class finds her way into STO... should be C-Store with the OPTION of using the Connie III parts if you have one, and vice versa. HOWEVER the consoles should NOT be part of a set. We learned that from the Inquiry.

    The Shangri-La is much smaller than the Constitution III, its the same situation that the Excelsior and Excelsior II are in. They wouldnt kitbash together very well at all.



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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited June 2023
    jonsills wrote: »
    Therefore, if they should do such a thing, mine will have to be the USS Kettle of Fish.

    Thank you, jonsills. For providing a voice of common sense laced with intelligent humor here where it is so desperately needed.

    Due to your fine example, I shall rename my T3 Connie to - USS Validated Entity.

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  • morrow#1528 morrow Member Posts: 39 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I doubt they're gonna give any ship that is or is related to the Connie for free
    Why not? There's a free Connie refit at tier 2. To my mind, that sets a precedent...

    The Connie you seen there has its engines side ways like constellation class style. constitution-variant2.jpg

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  • nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,347 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    While some have claimed they can use the _T1_ version for endgame content, in the real world they were able to give the T3 Ambassador away as a seasonal event because they knew you could use it for maybe a day or two before moving on.

    This would be a T6 ship, an entirely different kettle of fish.

    They had also given away the T3 Kamarag as the KDF Counterpart back then. The last time they gave away a "faction" ship was the Eisenberg class, which is a T6.

    Eisenberg was especial case where Cryptic felt it wouldn't be right to ask for money for that ship. As a rule we pretty much never get faction ships as free event ships, especially for the standard events like summer, winter or anniversary.

    That said I'm pretty sure this years summer event ship has been set in stone for a while now, especially what it it even if the exact design wasn't. When we "designed" one of the Risian summer ships we knew even before the contest began what style of ship it would be (Risian science ship) and it was just the form of that ship that was being asked from the community.

    except the one year they gave away the Bort and Oddy in the original configurations. Scimitar was already in game as a 3 pc set IIRC
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,880 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I doubt they're gonna give any ship that is or is related to the Connie for free
    Why not? There's a free Connie refit at tier 2. To my mind, that sets a precedent...

    The Connie you seen there has its engines side ways like constellation class style. constitution-variant2.jpg

    constitution-variant2-boobytrap.jpg



    The weird part about the sideways engines is that it would break the loop (Roddenberry's rule about the engine grills being able to "see" each other) unless they are simply using the standard nacelle casings with an entirely different internal configuration that puts the grills on what would be the top of the original nacelle.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    The weird part about the sideways engines is that it would break the loop (Roddenberry's rule about the engine grills being able to "see" each other) unless they are simply using the standard nacelle casings with an entirely different internal configuration that puts the grills on what would be the top of the original nacelle.

    I thought it was just the nacelles themselves. Not the Warp Field Grills. After all Voyager and Defiant kinda violate that as their warp field grills aren't visible to each other at all. Their nacelles can see each other though.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,880 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    The weird part about the sideways engines is that it would break the loop (Roddenberry's rule about the engine grills being able to "see" each other) unless they are simply using the standard nacelle casings with an entirely different internal configuration that puts the grills on what would be the top of the original nacelle.

    I thought it was just the nacelles themselves. Not the Warp Field Grills. After all Voyager and Defiant kinda violate that as their warp field grills aren't visible to each other at all. Their nacelles can see each other though.

    Technically it is supposed to be the grills, though as you pointed out that rule is violated (more often than enforced I suspect) in some major ships. I don't think Defiant's nacelles can actually see each other anyway (though I have not taken a very close look for that in particular), unless there is some kind of grill-sized open duct between them running from one side of the ship to the other (similar to the big hollow space in the Dederidex though a lot more compact.

    Of course, it is not even the worst rule breaking, Roddenberry's primary rule for Trek in general was that the heroes are never to win by brute force, but rather must use some clever way to accomplish their goal, and that one is very often violated, especially in the more recent shows.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    The Defiant's nacelles do dip below the hull so they can "see" each other. Voyager's shift up, allowing them to "see" each other in a more traditional position. Discovery's can "see" each other because they're so long. The biggest violator of the nacelle "rule" though are the Cardassians.

    Also I don't recall the old T'liss having grills in her nacelles, but that's another can of worms.
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  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,443 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Why not? There's a free Connie refit at tier 2. To my mind, that sets a precedent...
    The Connie you seen there has its engines side ways like constellation class style.
    No, the T2 Connie doesn't have sideways nacelles.

    The game was clearly designed with various hero-ships flyable as you level up, but they're always behind a paywall if you wanted them for endgame.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,393 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    The Defiant's nacelles do dip below the hull so they can "see" each other. Voyager's shift up, allowing them to "see" each other in a more traditional position. Discovery's can "see" each other because they're so long. The biggest violator of the nacelle "rule" though are the Cardassians.

    Also I don't recall the old T'liss having grills in her nacelles, but that's another can of worms.

    The Defiant's warp grills don't have visibility to each other though as they point to the aft (yes the Defiant has visible warp grills but due their position it's easy to mistake them for impulse engines, the actual impulse engines are the red round openings around the tail).
  • morrow#1528 morrow Member Posts: 39 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Why not? There's a free Connie refit at tier 2. To my mind, that sets a precedent...
    The Connie you seen there has its engines side ways like constellation class style.
    No, the T2 Connie doesn't have sideways nacelles.

    The game was clearly designed with various hero-ships flyable as you level up, but they're always behind a paywall if you wanted them for endgame.

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  • morrow#1528 morrow Member Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited July 2023
    jonsills wrote: »
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I doubt they're gonna give any ship that is or is related to the Connie for free
    Why not? There's a free Connie refit at tier 2. To my mind, that sets a precedent...

    This little ship be free as a T1 ship? It does resemble to the Crossfield class in ST: Discovery, but it seems to be the very ship that was supposed to be in Planet of the Titans, also known as the study model 1. Made in the 1977-ish as a Prototype for the film "Planet of the Titans" that was cancelled until it was The Motion Picture. But they used this design for the Battle of Wolf 359 and we have seen various of Prototypes including Concept designs used in STO. These prototypes or concept designs are very rare, I think they should be in the Lobi store instead of C-Store and Promo packs.


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    More info on the Prototypes in Wolf 359 - https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/wolf359-other.htm

    As for the Enterprise Study model 1 it was used years later for the series StarTrek Discovery in 2018.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    The "Planet of the Titans" concept was used to design the Crossfield class. Just like how one piece of concept art for the USS Defiant was used to make the Nova class.
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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    The "Planet of the Titans" concept was used to design the Crossfield class. Just like how one piece of concept art for the USS Defiant was used to make the Nova class.

    The Gunboat style ship does look cool
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    • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,880 Arc User
      rattler2 wrote: »
      The "Planet of the Titans" concept was used to design the Crossfield class. Just like how one piece of concept art for the USS Defiant was used to make the Nova class.

      The Gunboat style ship does look cool

      It does at that, though the small size is just an illusion. In ST3 the "variant two" style ship was definitely shown to be cruiser size (screen measurements put it at around 900-1000 feet long), and in Unification I the "variant one" (the one with the longer struts and nacelles) is seen to be similar in size to the capital ships around it in the mothball yard, not a particularly small ship either.

      Of course, with the size inflation between the early movie era and TNG it might be considered a light cruiser or heavy destroyer the same way that the TOS Constitution went from a heavy battlecruiser in 2245 terms to a "light cruiser" in STO.

      An interesting thing about the design that was brought out in the Planet of Titans information is that contrary to the usual Starfleet design, the delta is the primary hull and the saucer is a detachable science section that can be landed on planets.
    • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,393 Arc User
      To be fair such size inflations are not unheard of in real life either.

      the first US destroyer USS Bainbridge was (roughly) 75 meters and 722 tons (under full load), the Porter-class destroyers built roughly 35 years later were 2660 tons (under full load) and 116 meters long and the same increase in size happened with other warship types too.
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