Enterprise-G will most likely not be ever in the game but based on the last Ten Forward stream they're working on making the class as playable ship for players.
Enterprise-G will most likely not be ever in the game but based on the last Ten Forward stream they're working on making the class as playable ship for players.
Well is Legacy get the greenlight I bet it will be. I think the Constitution III could part of the bundle to start the borg story arc.
Enterprise-G will most likely not be ever in the game but based on the last Ten Forward stream they're working on making the class as playable ship for players.
Well is Legacy get the greenlight I bet it will be. I think the Constitution III could part of the bundle to start the borg story arc.
The Ent-G herself won't be, just the Constitution-III class (which I'm still hoping our version of Starfleet calls something else). Devs have announced that the STO timeline is now officially separated from the Prime timeline, starting in 2402 at the latest. (It would have taken waaaay too much rewriting and redesigning of assets to bring it back in line after PIC s3.)
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I'm fine with calling it a Connie-III myself. Better than Neo Connie.
And hopefully she has options for the Shangri-La class as well. I mean while that class started as a fan design too, by the same guy who designed the Connie-III, I think it was backdoor canonized by the fact that there's a gold model of the first Titan, that looks like a TMP version of the Titan-A.
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I believe the latest livestream did confirm the class is already in the works for the game. I very much doubt Enterprise-F will be replaced, but I'll be perfectly happy to get the class. Already saving up for it, in fact. I like the blend of 23rd and 25th-century aesthetics.
Enterprise-G will most likely not be ever in the game but based on the last Ten Forward stream they're working on making the class as playable ship for players.
Well is Legacy get the greenlight I bet it will be. I think the Constitution III could part of the bundle to start the borg story arc.
The Ent-G herself won't be, just the Constitution-III class (which I'm still hoping our version of Starfleet calls something else). Devs have announced that the STO timeline is now officially separated from the Prime timeline, starting in 2402 at the latest. (It would have taken waaaay too much rewriting and redesigning of assets to bring it back in line after PIC s3.)
I just reread my post. I didn't she be story espiodes although i could see if Legacy happens. I was talking the ship of the line events they have
They could always call the "neo-constitution" the "Charter" class in honor of the Federation charter to differentiate it from the Constitution class.
Personally, I am not a big fan of the design, it is way too busy and industrial looking for elegance, a look that plagued the movies a lot when it came to Federation ships, (though the style worked for the Klingon ships rather well). So, it is not a ship I would go for from a lockbox or promo box unless there was some RP theme I really, really wanted to use it for (and so far that is not happening) though it is not exactly the worst looking Fed ship either.
more i think about it, Enterprise -G is just the writers' FU to STO
Not really, they would've just called it the F and completely ignored STO if they were hostile, or even neutral, to STO. They canonized the F, on top of many STO ships this season, and while the G is... an odd choice on many fronts for the next Enterprise, I think it's more they under-estimated the love STO fans have for the Oddy than malice towards either the F, STO, or it's fans. It messes up the timeline a bit, and Cryptic would have to deal with the G somehow, but doesn't seem to me to be a 'FU' to the devs or us.
As an Odessey variant the Enterprise-F is a third-party design, and while they were willing to use it in a non-critical position in the show, CBS my not have wanted to have a possible series set on a ship where someone else owns the rights to the design. IP rights conflicts are a mess that is best avoided.
Also, they already built a stage for the Titan and probably want to get more use out of it rather than tearing it down for a Yorktown interior (even if they teardown would only be the bridge itself). Why they feel that the fans prefer the hero ship to be named "Enterprise" all the time I don't know, but they seem to be retreating from originality again going to what they consider safer ground.
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It messes up the timeline a bit, and Cryptic would have to deal with the G somehow...
Not really. The Devs are not going to bend over backwards to change STO to line up with Canon. We are set in our own timeline, so Cryptic is free to tell stories. They already said on many occasions that if the timeline deviates too much from established STO lore, they'll just branch off into their own timeline rather than remake the whole game to line up with canon. The Ent-G will not be making an appearance herself, however the Connie-III class will make its way into the game eventually.
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The G/Titan A is the skeleton of an old Shangri-la class that had "modern" tech built on it. It's from kirks timeline and was a heavy armed and fast response ship.
The Picard ship (Titan A) had a torpedo armament section removed from the front of the saucer and replaced with more sensors and such. They tried to make it into an explorer vessel, but it still has the speed from its past.
As for it being the next enterprise, I personally refuse to believe it. The ship is not designed to take on the role the enterprise fills. It is a scout cruiser at best.
The devs and kale have already come out and said that Picard's events do not change STO, sti is to be considered its own timeline and will continue doing its own thing
The G/Titan A is the skeleton of an old Shangri-la class that had "modern" tech built on it. It's from kirks timeline and was a heavy armed and fast response ship.
The Picard ship (Titan A) had a torpedo armament section removed from the front of the saucer and replaced with more sensors and such. They tried to make it into an explorer vessel, but it still has the speed from its past.
As for it being the next enterprise, I personally refuse to believe it. The ship is not designed to take on the role the enterprise fills. It is a scout cruiser at best.
The devs and kale have already come out and said that Picard's events do not change STO, sti is to be considered its own timeline and will continue doing its own thing
where do you get that nonsense from? novels are not canon and that sounds awfully bookish to me. I notice a few posters around here post stuff and everyone is expected to take it as canon. the Constitution III or Neoconstitution is new. no one really knows the capabilities yet. I think they should have left it at Titan. The writers clearly do not know their fan base and severely underestimated the Titan's popularity.
It always amuses me how folks will jump straight to "the writers don't understand Trek" when a decision is made that they personally disagree with, but when I go and read interviews with the showrunners they've been watching Trek for decades and are huge fans, the sort who can cite the episode names and numbers of various things they've been referencing this past season of PIC. Kind of makes me wonder who doesn't understand, the writer who isn't moving his show to match our game or the player who doesn't quite seem to get the principles of IDIC.
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Here's a direct quote on the design of the Connie-III.
The class was designed by Star Trek veteran Doug Drexler and Bill Krause, the latter under his online persona "admiralbuck". Started in June 2021, the class was in effect a refinement of Krause's own six-years-old fan-created Shangri-La-class design.
The Sangri-La class was a fan design created by Bill Krause, and was refined into the Connie-III. However I think this also backdoor canonized the Shangri-La as the three gold Titan models we see in the Observation Lounge include the current Connie-III, the Luna, and what looks like an older Connie-III.
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The class was designed by Star Trek veteran Doug Drexler and Bill Krause, the latter under his online persona "admiralbuck". Started in June 2021, the class was in effect a refinement of Krause's own six-years-old fan-created Shangri-La-class design.
The Sangri-La class was a fan design created by Bill Krause, and was refined into the Connie-III. However I think this also backdoor canonized the Shangri-La as the three gold Titan models we see in the Observation Lounge include the current Connie-III, the Luna, and what looks like an older Connie-III.
So it would probably be more fitting to say that the Shangri-La class and the Constitution-III class have similarities but aren't the same class the same way the NX-class and the Akira class have similarities but they're not the same class. One is clearly based on the other but isn't 100% copy.
The G/Titan A is the skeleton of an old Shangri-la class that had "modern" tech built on it. It's from kirks timeline and was a heavy armed and fast response ship.
The Picard ship (Titan A) had a torpedo armament section removed from the front of the saucer and replaced with more sensors and such. They tried to make it into an explorer vessel, but it still has the speed from its past.
As for it being the next enterprise, I personally refuse to believe it. The ship is not designed to take on the role the enterprise fills. It is a scout cruiser at best.
The devs and kale have already come out and said that Picard's events do not change STO, sti is to be considered its own timeline and will continue doing its own thing
where do you get that nonsense from? novels are not canon and that sounds awfully bookish to me. I notice a few posters around here post stuff and everyone is expected to take it as canon. the Constitution III or Neoconstitution is new. no one really knows the capabilities yet. I think they should have left it at Titan. The writers clearly do not know their fan base and severely underestimated the Titan's popularity.
The Shangri-La wasn't from a book (though it may have been used in one later), it appeared in the Ships of The Line calendar which a lot of people do think is canon though it really isn't. The thing is, after all the years people have been designing fan stuff for Trek it is inevitable that any new ship that uses any kind of Trek aesthetics is going to look like something a third party made before it you dig around enough.
It always amuses me how folks will jump straight to "the writers don't understand Trek" when a decision is made that they personally disagree with, but when I go and read interviews with the showrunners they've been watching Trek for decades and are huge fans, the sort who can cite the episode names and numbers of various things they've been referencing this past season of PIC. Kind of makes me wonder who doesn't understand, the writer who isn't moving his show to match our game or the player who doesn't quite seem to get the principles of IDIC.
In the case of NuTrek, Kurtzman stated in an interview that he didn't understand classic Trek, that it was too cerebral. Also, in the behind the scenes feature from first season DSC a lot of people interviewed said that they never watched Trek, didn't like it, only watched the movies, and things like that.
It isn't necessarily still like that of course, but the new Trek is still constrained by a lot of the changes made by that first team.
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Actually, both did though Abrams said it a few years before Kurtzman. It is not unusual, they seem to agree on a lot of things (and use a lot of the same techniques too, such as "the magic box" and "steal from the best" that Abrams talks about in his TED talk). Both of them have that same rather shallow-but-obfuscated style that depends on eyecandy, action, and SFX to carry the story rather than deep plotting and drama.
And don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new stuff, and that is a perfectly valid style that works in a lot of shows and has for a long time, but it is more appropriate for something like the original Flash Gordon and other low-budget space operas rather than a spinoff of a show that was firmly in the soft sci-fi category.
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The F has been in game for a a long long time already. under the command of Captain Shon, an Andorian.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/U.S.S._Enterprise_(NCC-1701-F)
That is The G that was only introduced in the finale. So it will be dependant on CBS to allow it in STO.
Well is Legacy get the greenlight I bet it will be. I think the Constitution III could part of the bundle to start the borg story arc.
And hopefully she has options for the Shangri-La class as well. I mean while that class started as a fan design too, by the same guy who designed the Connie-III, I think it was backdoor canonized by the fact that there's a gold model of the first Titan, that looks like a TMP version of the Titan-A.
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I just reread my post. I didn't she be story espiodes although i could see if Legacy happens. I was talking the ship of the line events they have
Personally, I am not a big fan of the design, it is way too busy and industrial looking for elegance, a look that plagued the movies a lot when it came to Federation ships, (though the style worked for the Klingon ships rather well). So, it is not a ship I would go for from a lockbox or promo box unless there was some RP theme I really, really wanted to use it for (and so far that is not happening) though it is not exactly the worst looking Fed ship either.
Not really, they would've just called it the F and completely ignored STO if they were hostile, or even neutral, to STO. They canonized the F, on top of many STO ships this season, and while the G is... an odd choice on many fronts for the next Enterprise, I think it's more they under-estimated the love STO fans have for the Oddy than malice towards either the F, STO, or it's fans. It messes up the timeline a bit, and Cryptic would have to deal with the G somehow, but doesn't seem to me to be a 'FU' to the devs or us.
Also, they already built a stage for the Titan and probably want to get more use out of it rather than tearing it down for a Yorktown interior (even if they teardown would only be the bridge itself). Why they feel that the fans prefer the hero ship to be named "Enterprise" all the time I don't know, but they seem to be retreating from originality again going to what they consider safer ground.
Not really. The Devs are not going to bend over backwards to change STO to line up with Canon. We are set in our own timeline, so Cryptic is free to tell stories. They already said on many occasions that if the timeline deviates too much from established STO lore, they'll just branch off into their own timeline rather than remake the whole game to line up with canon. The Ent-G will not be making an appearance herself, however the Connie-III class will make its way into the game eventually.
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The Picard ship (Titan A) had a torpedo armament section removed from the front of the saucer and replaced with more sensors and such. They tried to make it into an explorer vessel, but it still has the speed from its past.
As for it being the next enterprise, I personally refuse to believe it. The ship is not designed to take on the role the enterprise fills. It is a scout cruiser at best.
The devs and kale have already come out and said that Picard's events do not change STO, sti is to be considered its own timeline and will continue doing its own thing
where do you get that nonsense from? novels are not canon and that sounds awfully bookish to me. I notice a few posters around here post stuff and everyone is expected to take it as canon. the Constitution III or Neoconstitution is new. no one really knows the capabilities yet. I think they should have left it at Titan. The writers clearly do not know their fan base and severely underestimated the Titan's popularity.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Constitution_III_class
The Sangri-La class was a fan design created by Bill Krause, and was refined into the Connie-III. However I think this also backdoor canonized the Shangri-La as the three gold Titan models we see in the Observation Lounge include the current Connie-III, the Luna, and what looks like an older Connie-III.
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So it would probably be more fitting to say that the Shangri-La class and the Constitution-III class have similarities but aren't the same class the same way the NX-class and the Akira class have similarities but they're not the same class. One is clearly based on the other but isn't 100% copy.
The Shangri-La wasn't from a book (though it may have been used in one later), it appeared in the Ships of The Line calendar which a lot of people do think is canon though it really isn't. The thing is, after all the years people have been designing fan stuff for Trek it is inevitable that any new ship that uses any kind of Trek aesthetics is going to look like something a third party made before it you dig around enough.
In the case of NuTrek, Kurtzman stated in an interview that he didn't understand classic Trek, that it was too cerebral. Also, in the behind the scenes feature from first season DSC a lot of people interviewed said that they never watched Trek, didn't like it, only watched the movies, and things like that.
It isn't necessarily still like that of course, but the new Trek is still constrained by a lot of the changes made by that first team.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Actually, both did though Abrams said it a few years before Kurtzman. It is not unusual, they seem to agree on a lot of things (and use a lot of the same techniques too, such as "the magic box" and "steal from the best" that Abrams talks about in his TED talk). Both of them have that same rather shallow-but-obfuscated style that depends on eyecandy, action, and SFX to carry the story rather than deep plotting and drama.
And don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new stuff, and that is a perfectly valid style that works in a lot of shows and has for a long time, but it is more appropriate for something like the original Flash Gordon and other low-budget space operas rather than a spinoff of a show that was firmly in the soft sci-fi category.