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Are El-Aurian the Time Lords of Star Trek Universe? Spoilers for The Power Of The Doctor Warning!!
ryuranger
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After Watching second season of Star Trek Picard a line that Guinan said they can change how they look and change there appearance so could this mean they are actually the Star Trek's Version of the Time Lords from Dr Who. There is a Strong case for it Because the 14th Doctor is the10th Doctor. the reason why I make this case is because we got a different Guinan played by Ito Aghayere; but wait how dose Picard knew who she is well 24 Century Guinan showed him. Now there is a lot of Differences between the time Lords and El-Aurian of course one they can age differently plus they are more of a reputation of a race of listeners, this just my theory if anyone else wanna add or comment on it please join in.
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As for the El Aurians... they are still a rather big mystery. All we know so far is that they are an ancient race that rival the Q in power somehow, despite being what appears to be a corproeal species. My interpretation of the new actress who played a younger Guinan is that was really all it was, a younger Guinan. Yes we saw her in the 1800s with Mark Twain, portrayed Whoopie, but we also have to give the caviat that she's not as young as she was back in TNG, so it wouldn't have made sense for her to play a younger version of her character at this point. And the younger version of Guinan hadn't met Picard in the 1800s because of the altered timeline. No Enterprise to meet the Dividians, which in turn led to Picard meeting Guinan and Mark Twain.
Another thing we know about El Aurians is that they are sensitive to changes in the timeline, sometimes getting violently sick, but most of the time just aware that something... isn't right.
What I'm more interested in is that she seemed to run a bar named 10 Forward for centuries, one on Earth on Forward Street, and one on the Enterprise-D on the bow of the ship on Deck 10.
For instance, Romana did a kind of body-fashion show (and changed several times on one regeneration "charge") when she regenerated (possibly rubbing it in the Doctor's face the fact that he couldn't, the incarnation she was leaving had that kind of borderline-nasty and aggressive sense of humor), finally selecting the blonde-haired and sweeter-tempered incarnation for the rest of her run with the fourth Doctor.
Also, there was some sort of Order which could produce potions that would force a regeneration into certain channels so traits could be selected (though probably not exact looks) in the "New Doctor Who" period.
As for Guinan, she said they could adjust their apparent age over time to some degree and she was pacing her friends from the Enterprise for a time, it might be that she saw some advantage to looking younger in the 20th/21st centuries but prefers the apparent age she was in TNG.
Romana was trying on a few bodies at the beginning of 'Destiny of the Daleks' and it's certainly hinted at in some of the Doctor's visits to Gallifrey that Time Lords can choose their appearance when their body just 'wears out' instead of being mutilated, blasted, or some other such accident.
Well, we've probably all seen the end of "The Power of the Doctor" by now, and I was expecting Ncuti Gatwa to be telling the story of something that happened to him 'a long time ago'.
Instead, we were surprised to find out that Gatwa isn't going to be the 14th Doctor.
However, I don't think we should have been too surprised. The Tenth Doctor was exterminated mid-story at the end of the 2009 series and regenerated into himself. The Vanity!
Now, this Doctor has returned himself to the fore for a third time. THE VANITY!!!
Anyway, getting back to the El-Aurians, they're long-lived and time-sensitive. These are traits more common to other species within the Doctor Who mythos - perhaps the Tharils?
Dr. Who suffers from some of the same inconsistency between older and newer versions problem that Star Trek does (though nowhere near as bad), so comparisons depend to some extent on exactly which versions you are doing the comparison with.
The Watcher concept changed between TOS and PIC. For instance, in Assignment Earth not all agents were called "Supervisor", Gary Seven was called that because he was the new Earth station chief (in CIA terms) while "201" and "347" were just regular agents.
Their mysterious benefactors were in some ways the opposite of the Federation, they were more like the Preservers (in fact could have been them) and secretly helped civilizations past the danger points every civilization faces in their struggle to the stars, not primarily just time cops like PIC (perhaps inadvertently) implies, though they did have time travel or at least time scanning of some sort because they were quite familiar with the 23rd century when Enterprise accidentally intercepted Gary Seven in the 1960s.
El-Aurians are not good time travelers, doing it apparently makes them somewhat sick and disoriented for a while which would not make them very good at rapid response to anything involving it. On the other hand, they have a sort of quantum sense which gives them a feel for dimensional phenomenon and disturbances in the flow of time similar to that of a Time Lord even though they are not exactly great at the travelling part.
I don't think I'd say El-Aurians can regenerate, at least not in the same way Time Lords can, since, as far as we know at least, El-Aurians can only alter their age, not every cell in their body.
Other differences between them are that El-Aurians are mostly peaceful while Time Lords seem to breed renegades pretty regularly like the Master, the Monk, the Rani and the Eleven, also they have the tyrannical leaders like Morbius and Rassilon.
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Romana, like the Doctor, was one of the exceptions to that and even she had to shed a lot of the pre-conceived notional baggage before she came to terms with who she really was (and could not even complete that without her time for regeneration happening). I suspect the madness of staring into the abyss of the Untempered Schism as part of their initiation rites leaves a stain on their inner being that many (even the more normal seeming ones) never completely get out.
Not like Whoopie could play a younger version of her character anymore. And honestly it was a better choice to cast someone younger for that particular role than try to do the whole digital de-aging that they tried in Mandalorian with Luke. While they did a good job with Q, it was only for a moment.
You forget get one thing Picard is from the Future and so Picard could actually see a picture of her during that time in early 21st century remember that Guinan her self as long life-spans and if she kept her Whoopie look with digital aging like you said people can put two to two together its a far fetch thing but think about it. They are incardinto on the planet they are studying; so its safe to say she can change how she looks either way of regeneration like the Time Lords in Dr Who or some sort of metamorphosis thats natural to her race.
We have to accept that there are things we have to just ignore for the sake of the story. The fact that the actress doesn't look like Whoopie is one of them. IMO she did a great job, and maybe even had Woopie around for some pointers, but having a different actor rather than digital de-aging was the best solution for the situation.
All we know of El Aurians is that they are a LONG lived, corporeal species with some kind of connection to time, since they are affected by changes in the timeline. And they seem to have some kind of rivalry with the Q, a non corporeal species. Hell apparently the two fought each other or something in the distant past. I wouldn't be surprised if the El Aurians as a whole are on the brink of evolving into energy beings or something at this point.
Sometimes it's necessary to recast a role, because the character is far, far younger than the actor who played it previously. That has nothing to do with timelines, or regeneration, or any other such silliness. El-Aurians have an innate ability to tell if timelines have shifted, but they can neither time-travel nor regenerate, any more than Jim Kirk regenerated from Bill Shatner to Paul Wesley for the SNW episode "Quality of Mercy".
Also apparently in Planet X, they determined Nightcrawler's power is similar to Warp Drive, since when he pops back into existence he's covered in Verteron Particles, which are indicitve of Subspace Travel. I think Shadowcat would have joined Starfleet if she had the choice. lol