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To put things simply, the season finale has released and in a spoiler free note I would like to ask if we can please have the shiny things seen in it. The looked great and I'm probably not the only person wanting them.
After some time has passed I might come back and add in what specifically I am talking about but until then I will not spoil anyones desire to watch for themselves
After some time has passed I might come back and add in what specifically I am talking about but until then I will not spoil anyones desire to watch for themselves
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BTW, guys, that premiere episode means that the single-nacelle design is now canon for Prime. When can we get one?
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At least, I recall something like that being in one of those old star trek engineering books.
The official explanation from Paramount back in the 1990s for single, (or an odd number of), nacelles was that the single (or odd) nacelle has two sets of coils working together the way the two single-set nacelles would, just in-line instead of in parallel.
Of course, while there was nothing official about the difference in power or efficiency with that arraignment, logically such a double-coil-set nacelle would probably be the equivalent of a pair somewhere around half the size (more or less depending on how much of the support equipment could be shared between the sets) of the single dual-set nacelle.
Simple. Call it a new class, but re-use existing model = saving time, money and effort
but they could have just as easily gone with 'Well it's a Constitution-class ship but this one is specialized for role XY'
There is a good precedent for that actually. Not only did USS Constellation have a hull number way lower than the USS Constitution, on a background graphic chart it was listed as a "Class VII" while Constitution and Enterprise were listed as "Class IX". The simplest explanation of all that would be that they are in fact different classes (or subclasses) that just look a lot alike and probably share some components (which is something that happens in realworld navies at times).
On top of that, the model used for the Constellation was subtly but distinctly different from any of the shooting models used for the Enterprise (it was an off-the-shelf AMT plastic model that took a few liberties). The struts were just a bit thicker to add stiffness without resorting to metal rods, a few curves, angles, and proportions were slightly different on various parts of the ship, and there were indents on the underside of the saucer just above the sensor dome ring for the photon torpedo tubes that the Enterprise lacked, and a few other small differences.
For that matter, Enterprise herself was slightly different from the Franz Joseph blueprints, and while those were decanonized before the movies because of a feud between Roddenberry and Joseph, the movies themselves gave them a sort of quasi-canon since they were shown on the screens in the background fairly often. The FJ blueprints had slightly bulkier nacelles, a distinctly different phaser arrangement than what was shown in the show, and other subtle differences.
The nacelle differences could be explained by Enterprise needing new nacelles because of damage from the Galactic Barrier, or they could have been protypes for the needle-less nacelles pressed into service rather than change them twice, or whatever.
The phaser differences on the other hand hint that the Federation may have done something that is not common, but also not unknown in the real world, which is the practice of equipping the first two or three ships of a class with alternate weapons systems to see which works out the best. If that is the case, the movies make it fairly plain that the Constitution had the favored arrangement since it was closer to what the movies used later on for the refit.
So, assuming those differences are not glossed over by SNW it means that in all likelihood not only did at least several classes or subclasses strongly resemble each other, but that there were small (and realistic) variations within each class as well.
> And now for the Spoiler section, if you don't wanna know then don't look
One of those ships is already in game in a Ledgendary pack.
The look is reasonably close between the classic model and the SNW one,
Nice to see in the appropriate time period.
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Want. So much want. And would be great C-Store additions IMO.
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Oh that makes more sense.
Though given enough time it would be good to add what ever the shiny new things are.
And while you're at it, this ship too:
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
So... 2 each C Store Fed, KDF, and Romulan with two lockbox... I'd say that's a good spread.
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Yeah, if they wanted it to resemble a Connie without actually being a Connie then they should have made some changes to it, like adding extra nacelles or other details. TNG and DS9 did that all the time with the Miranda.
The Constellation in The Doomsday Machine did not look that different from a Connie yet according to the hull number (and probably its listing as a "Class VII" instead of a "Class IX" like the other two ships that are explicitly identified as "Constitution Class") it would not have been one.
Making the Sombra class smaller would contradict canon since they explicitly gave the length of the ship as 442.57 meters which is actually about a foot or two longer than the Donnie (probably something like an antenna or nacelle shroud sticks out somewhere a bit, or Kurtzman just likes round numbers better).
On the other hand, leaving the size alone but giving it fewer weapon hardpoints makes sense with the stated role of the class. One interesting way to set it up would be as a somewhat glassy (to reflect the high degree of automation and fewer crew) but fast science spearhead.
A good console for it would be something with electronic warfare and possibly stealth or escape powers to reflect the class's role of mapping hostile territory and (hopefully anyway) running from trouble if discovered by hostile forces, essentially a battlecruiser-sized long-range scout that is designed more for running from trouble rather than stand and fight where it would be too likely to get pounced on by superior numbers of enemy ships. In other words, pretty much the total opposite of the rather tanky TOS Connie from the show.
Again this is after the fact Justification but it's not unheard of for a ships with the same class get minor and major refits at different times so depending on how major the difference between Class VII and Class IX was it could be that Constellation simply wasn't due those refits until some time after the time it was destroyed (and thus obviously didn't get them).
Show what I mean Class VII could have been similar to Enterprise during season 1-2 of DSC, With Class VIII being removal of the holographic com systems and associated support systems (aka Enterprise during SNW) and Class IX being a refit introducing newly designed warp nacelles (aka Enterprise during most of TOS).
EDIT:Constellation being a Sombra doesn't make sense to me as that seems like a lower prestige assignment and you probably wouldn't have Commodore commanding such a ship unless he specifically asked for it.
True, Constellation also could not be a Sombra because of the crew numbers (Decker mentions losing over 400 people, over four times the 99 person crew capacity of the Sombra class), but it looks to be something else in the same design family as the Constitution and the Sombra. Also, the Sombra class seems to be something of a one-trick pony, which would not lend itself well to commanding a squadron either.
> All of the ships will eventually make it in, though there's usually a 6-18 month delay between when they appear on screen to when they become available in-game. Uniforms are less certain (we still don't have the Disco-Connie or Picard S1 flashback uniforms), but will most likely come in a similar time frame.
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> Yeah, if they wanted it to resemble a Connie without actually being a Connie then they should have made some changes to it, like adding extra nacelles or other details. TNG and DS9 did that all the time with the Miranda.
One problem is that Kirk says there are only 12 Constitution ships in “Tomorrow is Yesterday.” So having more ships that resemble Constitution-classes makes good sense for future story telling. And I do not think Decker’s ship was specified to be a Constitution although it clearly used a Constitution Kit model with the registry numbers changed. One downside of the TOS remastery is it is harder to find those old model shots nowadays.
Decker's Constellation was an option on the classic AMT decal sheets for the TOS Enterprise.
That's basically every family of ships in Starfleet ever. If you look at the tiered Temporal ships, they use the TOS Connie saucer and nacelles but in different configurations. The Nebula is based on the Galaxy-class, the Centaur is based on an Excelsior and so on.