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https://youtu.be/yMrlOGm_-q0Discovery, raising a middle finger to multiple generations of Trek. Congratulations, writers.
So, am I "gatekeeping" by calling out the fact they're writing Trek without watching or knowing anything about Trek?
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Wasn't that something radiation?
It's been a long time since I watched TOS ep. By Any Other Name, but I seem to remember they mentioned a far off future death of the Andromeda galaxy but radiation.
I think it was. Would be interesting if it was tied, at least in game, to the Iconians. After all we did have a Sphere in Andromeda that seemed unaffected. And IMO there's no way there aren't any gateways still in Andromeda.
Wouldn't it be interesting if the Iconians were causing all sorts of havoc in the Andromeda Galaxy as they were in the Milky Way? Maybe the Kelvans capture an Iconian gateway and use it to try and start colonizing the Alpha Quadrant. Perhaps even start a war where we get to fight them in their real form. A great opportunity for the Devs to create another race like 8472. Perhaps they look like elephants or octopi in their natural state. Or even * gasp * penguins.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kelvan
So... probably an octopus like eldritch horror like entity. Unfortunately I don't know if STO can support a hundred tentacle limbs without having a hernia.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
In Uneasy Allies - Sela takes us to a sphere currently in the Andromeda galaxy. Isn't that the one that later jumps to the Iconian system?
yes you're gate keeping by suddenly thinking that mild inconsistancy is new to discovery. every trek series occasionally has continality slips. in addition it's not like the enterprises where doing any extra galatic EXPLORATION
STO isn't entirely clear about gateways anyway.
In one of the missions (I believe it's the one where we open the gate on New Romulus) there's a Ferasan who points out that you don't actually need a gateway on the other side. If you have, for example, one near the Jouret system, you can go anywhere.
The only problem is getting back. But even that is only limitedly so a problem because you can just make arrangements with those staying behind, telling them to re-open the gate six hours after you've travelled to Andromeda for example.
And of course, if you want to send colonial ships through that are intended to create a fully independent settlement somewhere and thus stay there forever, there's no need at all to get back. Even a one-way portal would be a great asset to have then.
On the other hand, we also have kit modules that can open up a gateway to a star to weaponise its radiation. Which would seem a bit pointless if travelling both ways is always possible, because then it'd probably be a lot easier just to throw your enemy into that star. So that at least suggests that it's not always possible to go both ways...
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
Shutting down a valid argument by calling it gatekeeping is itself a form of gatekeeping once you get down to it. Buzzwords like that are way too overused nowadays, and that often leads to the issues getting abstracted into unreal caricatures of the issues.
In this case, the fact is that Kurtzman has never been any good at coloring within the lines when it comes to working with already established fictional worlds (and even plays fast and loose with realworld history sometimes), and it shows very often. That is not always an issue (it worked quite well with some shows, like the reimagined Hawaii Five-O for instance), but with Trek fans being so detail-oriented it is a definite and real problem so pointing it out is not "gatekeeping", trying to hush the people pointing it out is more along the lines of gatekeeping.
The question is less whether NuTrek and traditional Trek are different in often contradictory ways, because an abundance of objective evidence clearly shows that it is, it is more an issue of whether those changes, especially taken together, are too much to be believable as anything except an alternate timeline. And while the IP holder has the legal right to change things, they have no control over whether the viewers find those changes plausible or not.
Even the subgenres of science fiction are different between traditional Trek and NuTrek. Traditional Trek is soft sci-fi in the tradition of Forbidden Planet and The Day The Earth Stood Still (the 1951 version, not the 2008 version which was more of a regular thriller) that focuses on the social sciences and tends to be "too cerebral" (as Kurtzman put it about traditional Trek) for the current Hollywood ideals, while NuTrek is solidly in the space opera subgenre with its striving to emulate action movies.
As for the Iconian gateways, the mission seemed to imply that there were a lot of them, not just a few into two or three spheres.
One funny thing about the radiation stuff, back in the 1960s astronomers were not aware that Andromeda was already starting to move into the Milky Way (in fact, the barrier could be easily retconned into the galactic gas collision zone if they wanted to use science instead of ignore it like DSC does more than the others), so that radiation thing would have dire consequences for both galaxies.
Discovery ignoring TOS.....there's a big surprise.
As noted, the Kelvan adaptation of warp drive left them essentially blind as they flew - they had to return along their already-established course. And in "Is There In Truth No Beauty?", the reason Spock had to meld with the Medusan navigator was because the ship's sensors were (for no adequately-explained reason, as I remember) unable to find any navigational landmarks whatsoever, and they'd been thrown out there by someone basically randomly mashing buttons. Hard to "explore" when you can't see anything.
And very much unamusing. How ironical of you.
Technically twice, though they only went a few days or weeks out past the barrier in By Any Other Name. In TOS there was really no attempt to synchronize realworld time with in-show time (for instance, dialog placed Shore Leave as at least six months after the preceding episode (actually The Menagerie1&2 though the network ran Balance of Terror the week before instead).
In Is There In Truth No Beauty? the problem with their navigation was that they could not locate the marker stars they use. Why exactly is not completely clear since dialog said something along the lines that they were too far out in the void to find them (though realistically they would have had to have been at least as far out as their galaxy-class namesake was to not pick up the quasars and whatnot), but the visuals showed them in some sort of hyperspace (not the first or the last time the script and the SFX company did not quite agree). Whichever it was, it was it was technically outside of the galaxy in a realspace sense.
Hell... we don't even know why the Galactic Barrier exists in canon. It just... does. Was it made to keep us in? Or keep something out? Is it natural or artificial? Are the energies different in different areas or does the Barrier change itself over time?
What I found interesting was that the Spore Drive actually has limitations itself. It couldn't jump them outside the barrier, and it couldn't jump them to the barrier. They had to jump close and go in with conventional Warp Drive.
Also being outside the galaxy doesn't always mean exploring outside the galaxy. Just like being outside my house doesn't always mean exploring outside my house.
That would imply that the barrier somehow creates a discontinuity in stringspace, or is itself such a discontinuity.
It is indeed interesting, and it would also confirm that the Andromeda series is not "the future of the Federation" like a popular myth states, since the ships in that series lack a realspace FTL drive like warp and would not be able to get right up to the edge of the galaxy much less cross to others the way they do.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
They attempted cross the barrier in Where no man has gone before. the thing I disliked about the barrier in Disco is the APPEARANCE. it was like they were in a lava lamp
As opposed to just a band of purpleish light?
Hell... the Great Barrier in ST5 looked like one of those other kinds of lamps that swirl and... I honestly don't know what they're called.
Honestly the Barrier looked more intimidating.
Michael Okuda change all that. Now, after a brief glimps of a pink wall light, it turns into a sort of bunch of blueish gas clouds.
There is the novel explanation from the Q Continuum novels where the Q Continuum created the galactic barrier to protect the Milky Way Galaxy from a hostile near-omnipotent entity. It is an interesting read like why the Calamarains from the Deja Q episode hate Q, why the T'Kon Empire was destroyed, and why Q interacts with Humans, he is the reason behind the asteroid that destroyed the dinosaurs if I remember correctly. Obviously, it is as canonical as Star Trek Online and slightly better than fanfiction, but still an interesting read.
The galactic barrier was also integral to the book Q Squared. Q was forced to become a part of it for a time by Trelane ( from The Squire of Gothos ).
Not necessarily completely out the airlock, it would not be too implausible that particles from a Seyfert exploding are interacting with the gas and dust collision between the two galaxies to cause the superstrings to somehow bunch up or whatever. Still, I doubt that CBS would want to use anything that could cause an IP issue so it is probably safe to assume that it and the other book theories are all equally off the table.
Or you can classify them as belonging to their own parallel universes to make each galactic barrier theory viable, but just not in the Prime Universe. Star Trek Online could come up with its own explanation about the galactic barrier or just ignore it and introduce an Andromeda expansion since we already have Iconian Gateways in Andromeda and our captains have temporarily gone to Andromeda.
The problem with using Duane's explanation today is that it was supposed to be a fairly transient phenomenon - her novel had it being bypassable in only 15 years after its discovery. It would certainly have dissipated over a 930-year period. Pity, I rather liked it, but the universe is seldom as we wish it to be, especially when we're not the ones creating it.