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No Freedom-class starships in the program, like the one seen here? Why not?
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A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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Because I'm guessing there is not much market demand.
Note: I'm not saying they shouldn't make it, only speaking to business concerns.
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I'm NOT apologizing for that one.
Never did see a Freedom-class starship in TNG.
It was one of the Wolf 359 debris field ships.
Actually, if they were to do that it would make more sense to just use the Jupp from the DS9 kitbash fleet:
It actually has two engines, but the way they are positioned it looks like a refit Saladin.
I could be wrong, but aren't there some rights issues with the Saladin design?
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Unfortunately, you are correct. The Saladin, along with many other fan favorites, are owned by Franz Joseph, and were not accepted into canon. Not only that... they were used in Starfleet Battles, which could bring up old legal issues with FASA, and might extend into legal issues with Interplay, who used SFB as a base for their popular Starfleet Command games set in the TMP era.
While that hasn't stopped fans from modding them into games like Star Trek Legacy, that would pretty much DOA any proposal for the designs into STO.
That make sense, from a business point of view: you don't produce stuff that peopl won't buy, after all.
BUT that's also the point that make no sense whatsoever: why touch up on a T6 for a class that was, at best, barely recognizable even if it was present in one of the most famous and important battles in Federation's history? Like, doesn't it stand to reason that it falls into the "beloved as they are, ships that were background ships during a classic Star Trek series" category?
So, it might as well be that someone on the team loves this ship so much that they wanted to make it a priority. And again, that's perfectly fine because we're all humans after all, and we all have things we love and hate. What's not fine, though, is prioritizing a ship such as the New Orleans class over ships like (yes, I'm gonna say it and I don't care if certain people don't like it) the Nova.
Thomas is even working on touching up the Andromeda that, while being inspired by the Galaxy, is a Cryptic design and was already introduced as a T6. Was there really any need to spend time revamping it now, when there are ships that are way more in need of it or, indeed, are in need of a T6 version, period?
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
Exactly! They say one thing and the do something that completely and totally contradicts it.
Again, it's fair that they want to make a profit - I don't think any of us truly think they shouldn't - but none of this makes a lick of sense!
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
To be fair, there are some flowers among those weeds, just like there are in the mothball yard, the battle of sector 001, and the DS9 kitbashes. For instance ships already in the game from Wolf 359 are the Cheyenne class and the New Orleans Class, and they seem popular enough.
There was a Nebula class variant there with a different option set attached from those seen later but it is the same core ship, and they had both the four-engine Excelsior study model and the Planet of Titans ship which were also in the mothball yard in TNG (and the PoT even had a third appearance counting TMP). The Planet of Titans ship is even popular enough in fandom that CBS decided to (very very loosely) base the Crossfield class on it.
The DS9 kitbashes are not all bad either, the Centaur seems to be rather popular and already in the game for instance. To me the most interesting class of that set was the most controversial though, the Yeager.
A lot of people have fits about it because they see the secondary hull as the much smaller "Maquis raider" scaled up when the truth is the shooting model was redressed a lot and used for a number of ships of varying sizes (at least four) just like the BoP model was used for everything from a small scout corvette all the way up to a large battlecruiser that was a credible threat to a Galaxy class ship.
One of those "Peregrine" shooting-model ships was a freighter glimpsed for all of a half second or so at the end of a communication, and assuming it was what the Yeager class has as a secondary hull it was about 116 meters long. There were apparently two Yeagers assigned to DS9, which makes sense since they are probably rather slow compared to the Intrepid class, but that is what makes them so realistic.
They went on quite a bit in VOY about how advanced the engines were in on the Voyager so it was probably a potential bottleneck in trying to build a lot of them rapidly, and substituting a civilian freighter with a more conventional warp drive for the cutting edge Intrepid one actually would allow them to build them faster.
With the big drop in Warp speed capability, the Yeagers are probably stuffed with long range sensors like a cross between the real-world AGR radar pickets (like the Guardian class) and realworld DER destroyers (like the Edsall and Butler classes) to act as early-warning and defensive pickets, the kind of jobs that civilian-hulled warships often held in WWII and for a while afterwards. It adds another layer to the depth that DS9 had so much of compared to the previous Treks.
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Cryptic has made it quite clear that staff preference for a ship is the criteria for that ship getting proper updates and model improvements. Marrone mentioned back in 2018 that the Andromeda was one of his favorite ships. Now here it is getting a 'remaster' a couple years later despite already being one of the better looking ships in the game. Meanwhile, ships the staff don't personally like wallow in obscurity and are pretty much doomed to have sub par models forever because they personally don't like them.
And yes, the White Knight will soon be along to tell us how wrong we are because 'X' said 'Y' and that's supposed to mean something. If you go by the actions not the words, the process for these things is pretty clear. Save your breath Captain Cryptic.. I won't even read your reply.. I never do.
The Kelvin Einstein Heavy Destroyer looks similar
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Kelvin_Einstein_Heavy_Destroyer
Only it has two vertical nacelles (one on top, one on bottom)
I'm quoting this one (and tagging @reyan01 for good measure, because we all know this forun isn't worth TRIBBLE), because this right here is exactly the crux of the matter.
Which of course brings us to another point of this discussion: profit is just an excuse and everything they have said/will say about how "single ships don't sell as well as bundle"/"non-fed ships don't sell as well as fed ships"/any-other-variation-on-the-same-theme is pure and utter bs and does nothing to contribute to the never-ending degradation of their credibility which, at the moment, is already well over six feet under.
If to this you had stuff like Jeremy's claim from yesterday's ten forward that "cross-faction flying was made so that they could make non-fed ships and still sell them to fed-only players" (taken from andrey_159 recount over on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/mhkz45/ten_forward_weekly_31032021_legendary_d7/), the picture is, quite frankly, entirely unbecoming.
Once again, we are not only players. We're customers. And while, again!, I by no means support the "the customer is always right" view of things that some people seems to have, they've GOT to count for something. And we they don't, they either go away or, in cases like STO, simply close down their wallet.
Too bad there will always be white knights that will rain fire down on those that *dares* to call the dev out on their bs and continue to give them very underseved money.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
one those in the Enstein is the secondary hull (the top one IIRC) not a nacelle.