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Discovery Season 3 Reminder
starkaos
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Just a reminder that the Season Premiere is on October 15 or 16 or in less than 2 weeks. Also, the Season Finale for Lower Decks is this week.
Considering that Lower Decks and Discovery are a week apart in their runs, will the other Star Trek series not run at the same time or will we go back to the Golden Age of the 90s where we had two Star Trek series running at the same time?
Considering that Lower Decks and Discovery are a week apart in their runs, will the other Star Trek series not run at the same time or will we go back to the Golden Age of the 90s where we had two Star Trek series running at the same time?
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Considering the fact that its now set in a time period well beyond established events... I can see that.
SNW does have potential to last several seasons as well as there's still almost 10 years between where we last saw Pike and when Kirk takes command. So in theory they could squeeze out 7 seasons of SNW if they wanted.
Let's just hope that Discovery stays there or head somewhere else instead of coming back to more familiar territory. The Discovery is capable of dimensional and temporal travel so there is little sense for it to be stuck in the 23rd to 24th Century.
I suspect that the Section 31 series will take place at the same time as the early portion of Season 2 since it makes no sense for Discovery to be stuck in the 32nd Century and Empress Georgiou comes back to the 23rd Century alone.
The only reason she jumped into the Mirror Universe was an incomplete set of coordinates and Lorca's interference. And I doubt they can, or would want to, recreate the circumstances.
And the only Spore Drive related time jump was when they destroyed the Cheron and ended up surfing just ahead of a blast wave from the Cheron. So purely accidental.
Accidental or sabotage still means that they are capable of dimensional and temporal travel. However, Discovery being capable of temporal travel is based around the Red Angel technology rather than Spore Drive technology.
Theoretically, then, Discovery could use the data from their own temporal and transdimensional misadventures to reproduce the circumstances deliberately. However, I for one certainly wouldn't want to use a Burroughs-Carter Continua Device with no way of seeing what my destination universe was like before departing...
I don't think the Red Angel tech will be viable as they had to go to extreme lengths to keep the Red Angel from jumping back to the future, and even that was only temporary. Its not a viable solution to travel back in time because it will just snap you back to the future.
Discovery is definitely capable of dimensional travel, maybe even crosstime travel (laterally, not forward and back) using the spore drive. They probably can go wherever superstrings lead, and according to first season they apparently go transdimensional. Given how hard it was on Stammets though they may not want to do much if any of that. The forward drift in time during the return to their Prime universe could have been simple time dilation while they were floundering around in string space.
The Red Angel tech would not have a problem sending Discover back to its own timeframe, in fact the ship could theoretically start experiencing the same kind of draw back to its own era as the suit does to the "future".
I attribute the time jump coming back from the Mirror Universe to the destruction of the ISS Charon, which was using a Mycelial Core, and Discovery basically surfing just ahead of a blast wave.
Season 3 has one advantage that the other seasons of Discovery don't have. Season 3 is so far in the future that any concerns about violating canon is meaningless. So the USS Discovery will be in a completely new universe, but it will still have the same grimdark atmosphere as previous episodes and Picard.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
Jon's Post, supplemental: Thinking about it, the show is in fact an exemplar of the style recently dubbed "hopepunk" - things are going poorly, and the odds are against a good outcome, but our heroes remain hopeful and manage to find that bright ending on the other side.
It is the flashbacks that make Picard grimdark. Starfleet is unwilling to send another fleet to save some helpless Romulans. Picard just gives up on his rescue attempt after the Federation loses their backbone. The Picard series made the setting grimdark so Picard was an almost broken man. It was Dahj and her death that sparked Picard to get off of his butt and became the heroic Picard again.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
Yep, just look at the aftermath of WWII in real life. Troops in the hundreds of thousands had to be moved all over the globe on an unprecedented scale once hostilities ended. It wasn't just transports that brought them back, but anything that the Allies and Japan had that could float, and that was IN ADDITION TO the massive number of Liberty ships and other troop transports available. A friend of mine had family come back from Europe aboard the USS Washington, and the Japanese carrier Katsuragi only ever saw service ferrying troops back from scattered outposts across the Pacific.
Admiral Dananra Lekall - R.R.W. Teverresh, Deihu-class Warbird
General J'Kar son of K'tsulan - I.K.S. Dlahath, Vo'devwl-class Carrier
Even without the size inflation of DSC the ships are huge, the Galaxy can evacuate 15,000 people per trip while it is still in science mode with all the civilian scientists and dependents on board, and they have more than just a handfull even with the losses at Chin'toka since none of the half dozen or so were previously seen on any of the shows and TNG showed quite a few of that class.
On top of that, Enterprise made a run from the Romulan Neutral Zone to Earth in a few hours (at most) in First Contact and Romulus is within a few lightyears of the zone so they could have made a lot of runs in the time it would have taken to build a fleet of transports on Mars.
Also, I'd be interested in where you get that figure of 15,000. Ship's complement under full staffing, including family members, was around 1000. It seems unlikely that Starfleet was routinely deploying a ship for exploration at just under 6.5% of its capacity. (Best source I can track down online states that the total capacity, if all business aside from transporting people and maintaining life support is shut down, would be around 6000, or less than half the number you cite.)
It shouldn't apply for this thread since the purpose of this thread is meaningless when Season 3 Premiere of Discovery airs. If someone wants to use it to discuss Season 3 of Discovery or some other Star Trek-related discussion, then go for it. However, there will be a new thread discussing Season 3 of Discovery where Spoiler Alerts will be mandatory.
The 15,000 figure is from technobabble in an episode where they were supposed to evacuate a colony but it got complicated. I don't have the time today to do a deep dive and find the details but I remember it was sometime fairly early in the series, not the evacuation orders that spawned the Maqui. I seem to remember something about Data shooting an aquaduct or something in it but it has been a long time since I saw it.
Anyway, the 15,000 evacuees was an absolute top end life support wise, I imagine it would have had people crammed into all available non-security livable spaces and even dossed down in the corridors though it might not even be as bad as that. And since it was long before the Dominion war they were in peacetime mode and still had all the regular crew, civilian scientists, and dependents on board.
It is quite possible physically, excluding things like the nacelles which are obviously not habitable the Galaxy class still has has about ten times the internal volume of one of today's supercarriers with spacious suites like a hotel rather than a military ship and extensive entertainment areas like Ten Forward and all those holodecks. Ten Nimitz class carriers added together have 60,000 crew for instance.
Replicate a lot of submarine style stacked racks and don't let people take more than a few small possessions and it should work out fine. Cramming that many people that tightly would be hard on everyone though from lack of privacy and whatnot so I doubt they could keep it up for a long time even though the ships itself could take it.
Even if the Federation could only scrape up five Galaxys like they did for first Chintoka that would be 75,000 people per lift and from all the uniquely named Galaxys they showed in TNG and DS9 they obviously have quite a few of the things. A dozen of them could make a good dent in the population in the months it would take to build an evacuation fleet at least, and that is just the one class (the Federation probably has other large people moving ships as well) and ignores whatever the Romulans themselves have to move people.
Just for completeness, in wartime the Galaxy class ships offload the civilians and reconfigure for carrying troops. According to DS9 babble they carry 6,000 fully equipped troops in that mode. The difference in number between that and the 15k is probably that they are not packed quite as tightly (though still probably tighter than the comfortable quarters the scientists and dependents occupied in peacetime configuration) and their equipment and support people undoubtedly take up a lot of space.
the episode in question
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
All the more reason to get started early and not wait for the special evac ships to be built before doing anything at all. Kurtzman's bunch just don't make sensible plots at all.
The problem with that is that it probably took that long to get permission from the Romulan Government for the Federation to send a rescue fleet of any kind. You can't just cross the border without warning and start taking people. That would not only be seen as a violation of Romulan Territory, but abduction of Romulan citizens.
And that's not even taking into consideration if the Neutral Zone is still there or not, as crossing it without permission is actually considered an act of war. Luckilly all the violations have been overlooked due to extenuating circumstances or both parties agreeing to brush it under the rug for the sake of maintaining peace.
Political posturing by one side or the other would have contributed to things bogging down in committee. Don't forget that Romulans are a prideful people. It may have taken a while to get past the idea that accepting outside help would make them look weak.
Ultimately though... unless we have something that actually covers these particular events, its all speculation. We don't know the circumstances. So trying to blame it on bad writing alone doesn't exactly work since we actually don't know what happened. Its like trying to talk about the so called Lost Era, the time between Ent-A and Ent-D. What do we really know about it beyond Narendra III? Was Captain Garret a good captain or a terrible one because she lost her ship? Was Captain Harriman a good captain or a bad one?
We just don't know. All we know is that Ent-C's sacrifice for a Klingon colony paved the way for a strong alliance between the Empire and the Federation. We know even less about Ent-B.