The ship is in great condition. It’s a California-class ship, which has always existed in Starfleet — [this is] what we’re saying — that they’re the utility support ships. In the California-class [line], there are three types of hull painting: there’s blue, red, and yellow.
We’ve extended the visual metaphor of the uniforms to the ships, and the Cerritos has yellow on the hull because it’s primarily a second contact engineering ship. They show up to planets that need engineering stuff done on them in order to be able to communicate with the Federation.
There’s also, you’ll see in the show, blue-hulled California class ships, which are usually deployed to places where there has to be more medical expertise, and red-hulled ships that are like for moving around ambassadors and doing more command-level stuff.
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Oh that makes some sort of sense
I'm looking forward for the uniforms and ships of the show. As to the question, of course it will be T6 because that is just the only relevant ship tier left. And people would want to play with their "hero" ship during the whole game, not just ten levels. Almost every single ship is T6, whether it's a ENT-era museum piece or future tech from the 29th century. Ship tiers do not exist in-lore, it's just gameplay.
EDIT: Although it'd be funny. Did you catch that in the Lower Decks intro cinematic, the ship is actually turning around and running from a battle?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'm going to be a little nit-pickey here about the name.
Historically, in the USN, state names were reserved for Battleships. Cruisers were named for cities. It seems a bit odd that some third-rate trash-hauler would be named California.
I'm going to be a little nit-pickey here about the name.
Historically, in the USN, state names were reserved for Battleships. Cruisers were named for cities. It seems a bit odd that some third-rate trash-hauler would be named California.
Most things about the show are odd, on purpose. So this certainly wouldn't be out of place .
I'm going to be a little nit-pickey here about the name.
Historically, in the USN, state names were reserved for Battleships. Cruisers were named for cities. It seems a bit odd that some third-rate trash-hauler would be named California.
Most things about the show are odd, on purpose. So this certainly wouldn't be out of place .
I get it. It's a cartoon. Star Trek meets South Park.
I'm going to be a little nit-pickey here about the name.
Historically, in the USN, state names were reserved for Battleships. Cruisers were named for cities. It seems a bit odd that some third-rate trash-hauler would be named California.
Well... Starfleet isn't the USN. *shrug* Naming conventions are different. Most runabouts are named after rivers. Other than that there really isn't any particular naming conventions for classes.
For example, there's really nothing in common with the Galaxy class ship names. Galaxy, Enterprise (kinda doesn't count), Yamato, and Venture.
I think at first the old TOS Connies were named after Aircraft Carriers.
Apologies, but how would that work? Promo I understand, but what exactly would an R&D ship be?
Sorry I should have been more clear. I was referring to the Special Requisition Choice Pack - Tier 6 Promotional Ship Choice Pack that comes from the Promotional R&D Packs.
I'm kind of excited to see it come to STO. It's got a "Wolf 359" feel to it that tickles me greatly, like one of those blink-and-you-miss-it kitbashes that gets examined to death from blurry screenshots and spawns tons of fan reconstructions and only ever gets used by name in soft canon material. Whoever designed this thing knew exactly what they were doing - it was never meant to be pretty, which makes me appreciate it all the more.
rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,561Community Moderator
Never thought about that... Wolf 359 fleet... Yea I can see that being plausible. It does share some elements of the Galaxy design that some of the Wolf fleet had.
I'm going to be a little nit-pickey here about the name.
Historically, in the USN, state names were reserved for Battleships. Cruisers were named for cities. It seems a bit odd that some third-rate trash-hauler would be named California.
Most things about the show are odd, on purpose. So this certainly wouldn't be out of place .
I get it. It's a cartoon. Star Trek meets South Park.
That has nothing to do with LD being a cartoon. Starfleet is not the US military and does not follow the same conventions. It takes some pointers which are, however, shared by probably every (para)military or navy in history. It'd be very healthy if people would stop assuming the two are somehow related or even the same.
In terms of Real-Life background for the creation of Starfleet, first Roddenberry (who himself was Air Force I think and later Police) and then later other people pretty much threw the somewhat current US Navy, the historical British Navy, the Coast Guard, the Police and NASA into a blender and what came out at the end was Starfleet. And the more complex and worldwide Trek became the more international influence was put into it. The United Federation of Planets is a idealized version of the UNO or the EU and has less in common with the USA.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'm going to be a little nit-pickey here about the name.
Historically, in the USN, state names were reserved for Battleships. Cruisers were named for cities. It seems a bit odd that some third-rate trash-hauler would be named California.
Most things about the show are odd, on purpose. So this certainly wouldn't be out of place .
I get it. It's a cartoon. Star Trek meets South Park.
That has nothing to do with LD being a cartoon. Starfleet is not the US military and does not follow the same conventions. It takes some pointers which are, however, shared by probably every (para)military or navy in history. It'd be very healthy if people would stop assuming the two are somehow related or even the same.
In terms of Real-Life background for the creation of Starfleet, first Roddenberry (who himself was Air Force I think and later Police) and then later other people pretty much threw the somewhat current US Navy, the historical British Navy, the Coast Guard, the Police and NASA into a blender and what came out at the end was Starfleet. And the more complex and worldwide Trek became the more international influence was put into it. The United Federation of Planets is a idealized version of the UNO or the EU and has less in common with the USA.
And thank goddess Starfleet is not the military....Starship Troopers or Full Metal Jacket or Platoon in space would be BLECH!
I'm going to be a little nit-pickey here about the name.
Historically, in the USN, state names were reserved for Battleships. Cruisers were named for cities. It seems a bit odd that some third-rate trash-hauler would be named California.
Most things about the show are odd, on purpose. So this certainly wouldn't be out of place .
I get it. It's a cartoon. Star Trek meets South Park.
That has nothing to do with LD being a cartoon. Starfleet is not the US military and does not follow the same conventions. It takes some pointers which are, however, shared by probably every (para)military or navy in history. It'd be very healthy if people would stop assuming the two are somehow related or even the same.
In terms of Real-Life background for the creation of Starfleet, first Roddenberry (who himself was Air Force I think and later Police) and then later other people pretty much threw the somewhat current US Navy, the historical British Navy, the Coast Guard, the Police and NASA into a blender and what came out at the end was Starfleet. And the more complex and worldwide Trek became the more international influence was put into it. The United Federation of Planets is a idealized version of the UNO or the EU and has less in common with the USA.
And thank goddess Starfleet is not the military....Starship Troopers or Full Metal Jacket or Platoon in space would be BLECH!
Well they're a military but more in line of the fleet of Japanese Self Defense Force or the Finnish Navy, strictly defensive with a strong emphasis in that they're not an offensive force meant for conquest, but rather a force meant to protect the citizens from external threats.
EDIT:It's obvious that Starfleet is a military force when they're forced to become the defense fleet of the Federation there's never any confusion or signs that this is amateurs dabbling at being a military but rather they're always represented as competent and professional force. In fact I'd say the most telling sign of Starfleet military status (though with defensive nature) is the fact the the Federation exists and isn't a vassal state of either the Klingon Empire or the Romulan Star Empire. Indeed thru out most of TNG and DS9 the reaction for suggesting going to war with UFP from Klingons or Romulans was "have you gone mad?!"
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Starfleet is military. However they focus on Science and Exploration. But make no mistake, you honk off a Starfleet ship, Warship or Not, you are facing a lot of firepower and training.
The Federation is not a Conquering power. They have negotiated borders. And they have the means to defend those borders. And the duties of Starfleet are varied, ranging from defense to support to exploration. The very fact that Federation Starships not designed specifically for war can fight like a warship when the situation calls for it is a testiment to their skill, training, and technology.
And after Wolf 359, Starfleet started designing more ships with heavy combat in mind, just in time for the Dominion War. The Akira, the Steamrunner, the Sovereign... all powerful combatants. And they aren't true warships either. They are still multirole, but with more of a combat lean than ships like the Galaxy.
Speaking of the Galaxy, even designed as a peacetime explorer, she was still considered one of the most powerful ships of her time, even by the Klingons and Romulans if I recall. A fully unleashed Galaxy Class was a powerhouse. Against anything besides the Borg, that much firepower unleashed on a target would have been devastating. Honestly I don't even know if we saw a Galaxy go full out other than against the Borg. Not even in the Dominion War.
Starfleet is military. However they focus on Science and Exploration. But make no mistake, you honk off a Starfleet ship, Warship or Not, you are facing a lot of firepower and training.
The Federation is not a Conquering power. They have negotiated borders. And they have the means to defend those borders. And the duties of Starfleet are varied, ranging from defense to support to exploration. The very fact that Federation Starships not designed specifically for war can fight like a warship when the situation calls for it is a testiment to their skill, training, and technology.
And after Wolf 359, Starfleet started designing more ships with heavy combat in mind, just in time for the Dominion War. The Akira, the Steamrunner, the Sovereign... all powerful combatants. And they aren't true warships either. They are still multirole, but with more of a combat lean than ships like the Galaxy.
Speaking of the Galaxy, even designed as a peacetime explorer, she was still considered one of the most powerful ships of her time, even by the Klingons and Romulans if I recall. A fully unleashed Galaxy Class was a powerhouse. Against anything besides the Borg, that much firepower unleashed on a target would have been devastating. Honestly I don't even know if we saw a Galaxy go full out other than against the Borg. Not even in the Dominion War.
That is especially true considering the Galaxy's wartime role is as a self-escorting troop carrier, able to carry 6000 fully equipped troops and all the hoppers and whatnot it takes to land and support them. That is why so many of them were at Chin'toka, the hottest landing assault zone of the war.
There is no such thing as a "peacetime explorer". The weird cosmic entity that wants to murder your face doesn't care whether it's war or peace, the Galaxy has always been a powerhouse and a steamroller as part of a battle group. However, Starfleet doesn't identify or understand itself as a military organization. BUT that is not the topic here, all I was saying is that present-day US military conventions do not apply to Starfleet automatically. If they do, it's coincidence.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The USA used to have a Department of War until the late 40s. Then it became the Department of Defense. That really didn't change what they do.
Whatever Starfleet does, or wants to focus on, the fact is it is a military force. Starfleet, like any military, exists to defend the homeland first. Without defense, you're defenseless (obviously.) All the high minded ideals in the world won't save you when Romulans decloak around earth with a battlefleet (or a Shinzon). You need a defense force.
What would be different is their organization and ship compliment. They are going to have ships oriented for exploration over combat, but a Galaxy class is still a capital ship. You don't send it out there without being able to defend itself against a wide array of threats. They have more luxuries and comforts, and aren't likely to be trained for various wartime scenarios.
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The Galaxy Class wasn't designed with war in mind. It was a time of peace when she was designed. The closest thing to a war that happened was with the Cardassians, and that was a relative curbstomp in Starfleet's favor. However Starfleet understands that space is hostile and all Federation starships are armed as a result.
Until the Defiant Class, Starfleet had no true warships. Every ship was multirole, with the Galaxy topping that list.
> @rattler2 said: > (Quote) > > The Galaxy Class wasn't designed with war in mind. It was a time of peace when she was designed. The closest thing to a war that happened was with the Cardassians, and that was a relative curbstomp in Starfleet's favor. However Starfleet understands that space is hostile and all Federation starships are armed as a result. > Until the Defiant Class, Starfleet had no true warships. Every ship was multirole, with the Galaxy topping that list.
Which is pretty much my point if you hadn't just cut one sentence out of my post. Starfleet's design philosophy doesn't care whether it's war or peace since the ships and crews are always able to react to both circumstances.
The Defiant is also an odd one. Since DS9 wanted to show how stupid they considered the whole pacifist ideology they came up with it to finally say "now we do star wars hurr", however frigate ships which were primarily ships with combat function already existed, for example the New Orleans.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Throw whatever you want, but you know already that no matter what's discussed here, they already planned how the ship would be acquired.
And I am sure that it will either be a promo, OR an event-reward like the freighters, so no T6.
Then again, the class is meant to come in a three-pack since behind the scenes info states there are three variants of it, one for each department. It really is perfect for a store release. And of course it'll be a T6 because it's a hero ship and people want to play the game with it.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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Oh that makes some sort of sense
I'm looking forward for the uniforms and ships of the show. As to the question, of course it will be T6 because that is just the only relevant ship tier left. And people would want to play with their "hero" ship during the whole game, not just ten levels. Almost every single ship is T6, whether it's a ENT-era museum piece or future tech from the 29th century. Ship tiers do not exist in-lore, it's just gameplay.
EDIT: Although it'd be funny. Did you catch that in the Lower Decks intro cinematic, the ship is actually turning around and running from a battle?
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Historically, in the USN, state names were reserved for Battleships. Cruisers were named for cities. It seems a bit odd that some third-rate trash-hauler would be named California.
Most things about the show are odd, on purpose. So this certainly wouldn't be out of place .
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I get it. It's a cartoon. Star Trek meets South Park.
Well... Starfleet isn't the USN. *shrug* Naming conventions are different. Most runabouts are named after rivers. Other than that there really isn't any particular naming conventions for classes.
For example, there's really nothing in common with the Galaxy class ship names. Galaxy, Enterprise (kinda doesn't count), Yamato, and Venture.
I think at first the old TOS Connies were named after Aircraft Carriers.
Apologies, but how would that work? Promo I understand, but what exactly would an R&D ship be?
Sorry I should have been more clear. I was referring to the Special Requisition Choice Pack - Tier 6 Promotional Ship Choice Pack that comes from the Promotional R&D Packs.
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That has nothing to do with LD being a cartoon. Starfleet is not the US military and does not follow the same conventions. It takes some pointers which are, however, shared by probably every (para)military or navy in history. It'd be very healthy if people would stop assuming the two are somehow related or even the same.
In terms of Real-Life background for the creation of Starfleet, first Roddenberry (who himself was Air Force I think and later Police) and then later other people pretty much threw the somewhat current US Navy, the historical British Navy, the Coast Guard, the Police and NASA into a blender and what came out at the end was Starfleet. And the more complex and worldwide Trek became the more international influence was put into it. The United Federation of Planets is a idealized version of the UNO or the EU and has less in common with the USA.
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And thank goddess Starfleet is not the military....Starship Troopers or Full Metal Jacket or Platoon in space would be BLECH!
Well they're a military but more in line of the fleet of Japanese Self Defense Force or the Finnish Navy, strictly defensive with a strong emphasis in that they're not an offensive force meant for conquest, but rather a force meant to protect the citizens from external threats.
EDIT:It's obvious that Starfleet is a military force when they're forced to become the defense fleet of the Federation there's never any confusion or signs that this is amateurs dabbling at being a military but rather they're always represented as competent and professional force. In fact I'd say the most telling sign of Starfleet military status (though with defensive nature) is the fact the the Federation exists and isn't a vassal state of either the Klingon Empire or the Romulan Star Empire. Indeed thru out most of TNG and DS9 the reaction for suggesting going to war with UFP from Klingons or Romulans was "have you gone mad?!"
The Federation is not a Conquering power. They have negotiated borders. And they have the means to defend those borders. And the duties of Starfleet are varied, ranging from defense to support to exploration. The very fact that Federation Starships not designed specifically for war can fight like a warship when the situation calls for it is a testiment to their skill, training, and technology.
And after Wolf 359, Starfleet started designing more ships with heavy combat in mind, just in time for the Dominion War. The Akira, the Steamrunner, the Sovereign... all powerful combatants. And they aren't true warships either. They are still multirole, but with more of a combat lean than ships like the Galaxy.
Speaking of the Galaxy, even designed as a peacetime explorer, she was still considered one of the most powerful ships of her time, even by the Klingons and Romulans if I recall. A fully unleashed Galaxy Class was a powerhouse. Against anything besides the Borg, that much firepower unleashed on a target would have been devastating. Honestly I don't even know if we saw a Galaxy go full out other than against the Borg. Not even in the Dominion War.
That is especially true considering the Galaxy's wartime role is as a self-escorting troop carrier, able to carry 6000 fully equipped troops and all the hoppers and whatnot it takes to land and support them. That is why so many of them were at Chin'toka, the hottest landing assault zone of the war.
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Whatever Starfleet does, or wants to focus on, the fact is it is a military force. Starfleet, like any military, exists to defend the homeland first. Without defense, you're defenseless (obviously.) All the high minded ideals in the world won't save you when Romulans decloak around earth with a battlefleet (or a Shinzon). You need a defense force.
What would be different is their organization and ship compliment. They are going to have ships oriented for exploration over combat, but a Galaxy class is still a capital ship. You don't send it out there without being able to defend itself against a wide array of threats. They have more luxuries and comforts, and aren't likely to be trained for various wartime scenarios.
The Galaxy Class wasn't designed with war in mind. It was a time of peace when she was designed. The closest thing to a war that happened was with the Cardassians, and that was a relative curbstomp in Starfleet's favor. However Starfleet understands that space is hostile and all Federation starships are armed as a result.
Until the Defiant Class, Starfleet had no true warships. Every ship was multirole, with the Galaxy topping that list.
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> The Galaxy Class wasn't designed with war in mind. It was a time of peace when she was designed. The closest thing to a war that happened was with the Cardassians, and that was a relative curbstomp in Starfleet's favor. However Starfleet understands that space is hostile and all Federation starships are armed as a result.
> Until the Defiant Class, Starfleet had no true warships. Every ship was multirole, with the Galaxy topping that list.
Which is pretty much my point if you hadn't just cut one sentence out of my post. Starfleet's design philosophy doesn't care whether it's war or peace since the ships and crews are always able to react to both circumstances.
The Defiant is also an odd one. Since DS9 wanted to show how stupid they considered the whole pacifist ideology they came up with it to finally say "now we do star wars hurr", however frigate ships which were primarily ships with combat function already existed, for example the New Orleans.
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Throw whatever you want, but you know already that no matter what's discussed here, they already planned how the ship would be acquired.
And I am sure that it will either be a promo, OR an event-reward like the freighters, so no T6.
Then again, the class is meant to come in a three-pack since behind the scenes info states there are three variants of it, one for each department. It really is perfect for a store release. And of course it'll be a T6 because it's a hero ship and people want to play the game with it.
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