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Quick Klingon civil war, then Galactic Union
fleetcaptain5
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Hopefully this Klingon Civil war thing leads us finally to the Galactic Union. We've had Klingons as opponens for long and often enough, so let's quickly move on please and finally put an end to this pointless enemy-ally-cycle.
Perhaps we can also have a well-thought out storyline again then, instead of this 200-year old totally random, uninteresting and unrelatable Klingon appearing out of nowhere and suddenly being a huge threat because * she can win over half the Empire apparently with seemingly no effort at all, thus nullifying STO's entire storyline and rendering insignificant (to a significant portion of the KDF) everything the Empire and Federation have been through.
* Or actually, because an excuse was needed to shove in Discovery content if a reason from the real world had to be found. (It's fine to put Discovery content in the game. IF you actually built a proper storyline around it instead of shoehorning it in.)
Perhaps we can also have a well-thought out storyline again then, instead of this 200-year old totally random, uninteresting and unrelatable Klingon appearing out of nowhere and suddenly being a huge threat because * she can win over half the Empire apparently with seemingly no effort at all, thus nullifying STO's entire storyline and rendering insignificant (to a significant portion of the KDF) everything the Empire and Federation have been through.
* Or actually, because an excuse was needed to shove in Discovery content if a reason from the real world had to be found. (It's fine to put Discovery content in the game. IF you actually built a proper storyline around it instead of shoehorning it in.)
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Nope. We're going after Admiral Leeta again. Terran Empire.
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Captain "Killy" is still out there too. Who knows where Pahvo zapped her off to?
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That is true. Wonder if she found Leeta or is going to fight her for control of Terran forces. One's pretty much a demi-goddess, the other is a technological wonder.
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What would be the spark for that? The United Federation of Planets has existed since 2164 with little to no internal conflict and far I know Picard didn't show any serious internal conflict ("I disagree on what's the best use of starfleet resources" isn't strong enough to spark a civil war not by a long shot).
The Klingon Empire is (semi-)feudal in nature and as such very prone to civil wars and serious internal conflict if political disagreements grow too strong, add to that the very aggressive nature of Klingon culture and it was logical that the Klingon Empire might have civil war during STO.
UFP on the other hand is as far as we know a federal republic with an elective governmental bodies with pretty much 0 history of major internal conflicts or civil wars, closest we got was that 1 time during DS9 and even that was minor in the grand scheme of things.
TL:DR. It makes sense for the Klingon Empire to have a civil war, it would make no sense what so ever for UFP to have one.
I'd say a better analog would be France and Germany post WWII (or more correctly after the formation of West Germany), sure they don't always agree on this but are both trade and military allies (and yes members of the EU are independent sovereign powers just in an economic and political alliance with each other).
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either to conquer or to die for the Empire
Well if the rumors are to be belived and season 3 of discovery has the Federation reduced to only a handful of systems then if cryptic want to cash in on the story (as they often do) then showing the cracks might happen granted discovery is going to the 26th century i beleive but uniting the alliance stronger would mean its less likly for them to cash in on the story.
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Discovery's not going into the 26th Century. She's going 900 something years ahead of 2257, which puts her even beyond Daniels time period. We're talking 33rd Century or so. And we know that Procyon V was in the 26th Century, and that the Federation is very much intact, we know that the Federation is very much intact in the 29th century because of the existance of the USS Relativity, and we know the Federation is intact in Daniels' time, which could very well be 29th-30th century. So whatever happened to the Federation... it didn't happen in the 26th or 29th centuries.
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We got to remember that current year in STO is still only 2411, we're not that far from the TNG timeframe. As in we're in very early 25th century, it seems quite illogical that by the time of the 32nd century UFP wouldn't had been rebuilt if the collapse was that far away.
It's more likely that collapse suggested by season 3 of Discovery happens in the far future for STO as well.
That is unlikely go have gone beyond political debates, influence pressure games, and probably a few relatively minor protests. The whole issue is enough of an outlier in the framework of the setting over the decades of Trek that it is probably better ignored as much as possible, especially with major happenings like the Iconian war happening between Picards "then" and STO's "now".
We also see parts of the civilian life in Picard and it's not really as unstable and high tensioned to devolve into a civil war 12 years later, especially after major wars against a common enemy (or enemies in this case).
EDIT:It actually takes quite a lot for a nation like United Federation of Planets to devolve into a civil war, like I said earlier the national and cultural state of the Klingon Empire is much more prone into devolving into a civil war.
Also what does that have to do with the topic in question?
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The US civil war was not just because the south seceded, the US government was not exactly happy about it but they would have let it ride if Confederate forces had not attacked Fort Sumter, effectively declaring war.
In the Federation, even as early as TNG secession would be a serious economic problem for any long term member planet which did so since dialog and situations in the show strongly hinted that, like US states, the member planets drift into a kind of specialized economy where they produce what they are best at for export and import what they need but don't bother to make for themselves anymore.
The newer frontier member worlds, like Bajor, would not have that particular interworld supply chain problem, but then again they would be stuck with whatever problems made them seek membership in the first place.
Well considering how much little details they do get correct, details that someone who does care about canon would even notice much less care about, I'd say that they just don't care about canon seems unlikely.