I guess I wasn't the only one who saw the original prices in the Mudd Market and went "Huh, seems like a Mudd thing to do. Set the "normal" price ridiculously high, so when you put items on "sale", they look like a much better bargain." I kind of figured the "sale" price would be the normal price for the items immediately. Kudos for keeping to the character.
That said, the actual prices for these items is, IMO, still far too high. 2k zen each for the former FE rewards, the Beacon of Kahless, the Crystalline weapons pack and the Voth Dino? 3.5k zen for the Vizier? I don't care about those Ultimate Upgrades they threw into those packs in an attempt to make them seem worth it, still far to spendy.
Even with a 50% off sale, I'd still not likely buy most of the stuff. Probably the Holo Leeta and Holo EMH BOffs at 50% off. If the former FE rewards would have been 500 zen, I would have already bought them as well. The Beacon, Crystalline weapons and the Dino, 1k zen seems fair. I mean, those items were at least obtainable in game so 500-1k zen seems like a fair price to make them essentially account unlocks, especially if players missed the events or want the former FE rewards on newer characters.
The ONLY item under the Mudd banner I believe is close to appropriately priced is the Hologram TOS Crew. And even then, 2.5k zen seems a smidge much.
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That being said, we've already been in contact with the devs about this and the "regular" prices are supposed to be an in-universe reference to Mudd being a salesman/con man.
Oh no, I have been conned. I actually thought it was a genuine sale. Grrrr, it not funny being conned I bought leeta and EMH.
How can the Enterprise be a promo ship? Its not worth 300 $
The drop chance of epic phonix tokens is much too low *opens more*
Lol... I'm not suprised here and find it funny that anybody of you guys are. Be optimistic! Thats how much your gaming time is worth to Cryptic. Rember that next time you take a break from game when an event is on... I have everything from that store... none is any good.
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2000zen for the Dino With One Freakin' Outrageous Price. I was expecting 500, maybe 1000 at the most. Wow. Ferengi blush at these prices. Even knowing Cryptic...oof. Some of the other packs are not so bad, though. The ones with several items, or the items that were never available in game.
Very few things in this life make me laugh out loud anymore.
Kudos to Cryptic for achieving that with this absolutely ridiculous pricing scheme.
The people setting prices have lost their collective minds.
This is an undefendable cash grab very in the wheelhouse of the current EP. Just look at his resume.
Even when the "regular" prices are clearly a joke, the real discounted prices are ridiculous for some of the items, namely, the ship, the FREE featured arc mission rewards, the devices, and the EMH.
I can understand for the BOffs (except the EMH, of course) as they're account-wide and apparently reclaimable at will (I EXPECT HOPE they are) instead of paying 500 Zen for each character, but 2,000 Zen for a device and an ultimate tech upgrade?
BTW, called it for the ultimate tech upgrades creeping their way into more packs to artificially increase and "justify" their prices.
The ship is fine at the "sale" price. Considering that you literally couldn't get it right now at any price anywhere, a 500 Zen markup from the standard single T6 ship is fine.
500 Zen each was also about what I expected for account unlocks for the FE rewards. It's not great that this is the way that those are being released, mind you, but it's not the worst thing ever, especially if you're a newer player, or like making alts. You get the things now and forever, without having to wonder about when (or if) the next rerun event will be.
They probably shouldn't have put the EMH in there, or shouldn't have put him in the Phoenix Prize Pack first. Without him being in the Phoenix Prize Pack, his price would have been just fine, like the rest of the BOffs.
What exactly did you call? The only things that I see with Ultimate Upgrades are the same things that had them in the announcement blog.
Edit: About the only thing that truly alarms me about this is that it apparently has put the final nail in the Zen exchange. If it remains at 500, the amount of 499 or less offers will shrink to nothing, and even the 500 offers will hit a plateau, and eventually start declining. People will stop buying Zen to list at 500 if they feel that the ceiling is artificially limiting what they could actually get for it.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
I am stun, utterly stun. The Vizier Class normal zen price is 14,000 zen - The temporal pack is 1500 zen and comes with 6 ships, 5 costumes, one ultimate upgrade pack, and one robot bridge officer.
Oh no, I have been conned. I actually thought it was a genuine sale. Grrrr, it not funny being conned I bought leeta and EMH.
You've summed up why this type of practise is illegal in several regions, as I've already mentioned. Even if its intended as a joke (I'm not going to assume malice) its really not appropriate.
I am stun, utterly stun. The Vizier Class normal zen price is 14,000 zen - The temporal pack is 1500 zen and comes with 6 ships, 5 costumes, one ultimate upgrade pack, and one robot bridge officer.
Mudd is a used car salesman in space. Those "normal prices" are not a real thing, just something that he would tell you to make you think that you're getting a great deal. The 75% discount is likely the real normal price.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
OK, folks, we are not about to start making wild, unsubstantiated, and slanderous accusations here. Keep this civil or this thread will be closed like the last one.
That being said, we've already been in contact with the devs about this and the "regular" prices are supposed to be an in-universe reference to Mudd being a salesman/con man. We're hoping to get an official statement from them on Facebook/Twitter confirming this so that we can link it back here.
Please don't set fire to the forum. Thank you.
In many countries - including the UK, you cannot simply make a "joke" about sale prices... there are rules in place around how and when you may advertise things as "on sale". Boring yes, but those rules are in place so that you cannot be seen to be trying to trick consumers in to thinking they are getting value, that they are not. if those items have never been on sale at those original prices, then - joke or not - you should not be advertising them as "on sale". That is misleading your customers.
This has to be some kind of misfiring in their brain meats.
If it was supposed to be a "joke" they should know ... it's not very funny, except to laugh at them for being such greedy no goodniks.
Worst cash grab they have ever done.
With an attempt to appeal to the FOMO (fear of missing out) thrown in for good measure.
I really think someone was doing drugs and while giggling said "lets make the prices totally insane! That's funny right?"
I'd be disappointed in them, but at this point all there is to do is laugh at the foolish thing they have done.
Don't care if they make some lame attempts to explain it.
Damage is done.
We can now fully see the extortive scheme we can expect going forward.
There is no making this better.
They gone and shot themselves in the TRIBBLE.
OK, folks, we are not about to start making wild, unsubstantiated, and slanderous accusations here. Keep this civil or this thread will be closed like the last one.
That being said, we've already been in contact with the devs about this and the "regular" prices are supposed to be an in-universe reference to Mudd being a salesman/con man. We're hoping to get an official statement from them on Facebook/Twitter confirming this so that we can link it back here.
Please don't set fire to the forum. Thank you.
In many countries - including the UK, you cannot simply make a "joke" about sale prices... there are rules in place around how and when you may advertise things as "on sale". Boring yes, but those rules are in place so that you cannot be seen to be trying to trick consumers in to thinking they are getting value, that they are not. if those items have never been on sale at those original prices, then - joke or not - you should not be advertising them as "on sale". That is misleading your customers.
The normal / list prices are insane, but items are really being sold at that price to people who will pay anything so no laws are being broken.
The issue I see with Mudd’s Market, is that people, myself included, already have some account wide unlocks already, So at the very least those IMO should have an additional discount, Maybe about 50% off the 75% for any Items that you have from reruns and 90% off for items that are already account wide unlocks and I might consider this
The Beacon of Kahless, bundled with an Ultimate Tech Upgrade for 2000/8000zen; Already an account Unlock, So I would be paying 2000/8000z for a Ultimate Tech Upgrade
Crystalline Antiproton Energy Weapons, bundled with an Ultimate Tech Upgrade 2000/8000Zen
Bio-Engineered Furiadon Combat Pet, bundled with an Ultimate Tech Upgrade 2000/8000Zen Already an account Unlock, again paying 2000/8000Zen for a Ultimate Tech Upgrade
The Ophidian Cane, the Shard of Possibilities, and Reman and Breen Bridge Officers 2000/8000Zen
Have The Ophidian Cane from “Night of the Comet” rerun on January 11, 2018
Have Shard of Possibilities from “Boldly They Rode” rerun on January 11, 2018
Have The Reman Science Officer Candidate “Cutting the Cord” rerun on January 11, 2018
Have The Breen Tactical Officer Candidate from “Cold Storage” rerun on January 11, 2018
The only characters that do not have these are all after Victory is Life
These are only ones In Mudd’s Markets that makes sense to me as they are nice to have and were never part of any in game reward
Command Assault Cruiser – Visier Class for 3,500/14000Zen[/b]
Procured Emergency Medical Hologram Holographic Bridge Officer 1000/4000Zen
Procured Original Series Enterprise Holographic Bridge Officers 2500/10000Zen
Side Note: It would be nice if there was a Procured Original Series Enterprise Holographic Klingon Bridge Officers pack with some of the notable Klingons from the TOS era for KDF players
Klingon Kor from TOS episode Errand of Mercy
Klingon Koloth from TOS episode The Trouble with Tribbles
Klingon Korax from TOS episode The Trouble with Tribbles
Well it looks like they have implemented the Mudd's Market Tab afterwards.
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The issue I see with Mudd’s Market, is that people, myself included, already have some account wide unlocks already, So at the very least those IMO should have an additional discount, Maybe about 50% off the 75% for any Items that you have from reruns and 90% off for items that are already account wide unlocks and I might consider this
Why would you buy an account unlock for an item where you already have an account unlock!?
YES, IT'S A JOKE!!! It's just a shame that the Dev's have underestimated people's lack of humour and lack of knowledge of the CONMAN Harry Harcourt Mudd! The 'Sale' prices are the 'real' prices. The one's in red a Mudd's attempt at conning you into a 'sale'.
The game isn't dying.
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I am stun, utterly stun. The Vizier Class normal zen price is 14,000 zen - The temporal pack is 1500 zen and comes with 6 ships, 5 costumes, one ultimate upgrade pack, and one robot bridge officer.
Pretty sure the "regular" price is just an in universe joke referencing Harry Mudd's status as a con man. Good bet that the real price is the current "sale" price.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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OK, folks, we are not about to start making wild, unsubstantiated, and slanderous accusations here. Keep this civil or this thread will be closed like the last one.
That being said, we've already been in contact with the devs about this and the "regular" prices are supposed to be an in-universe reference to Mudd being a salesman/con man. We're hoping to get an official statement from them on Facebook/Twitter confirming this so that we can link it back here.
Please don't set fire to the forum. Thank you.
In many countries - including the UK, you cannot simply make a "joke" about sale prices... there are rules in place around how and when you may advertise things as "on sale". Boring yes, but those rules are in place so that you cannot be seen to be trying to trick consumers in to thinking they are getting value, that they are not. if those items have never been on sale at those original prices, then - joke or not - you should not be advertising them as "on sale". That is misleading your customers.
The normal / list prices are insane, but items are really being sold at that price to people who will pay anything so no laws are being broken.
Sorry - can you tell me exactly when/where the Vizier class is/was actually being sold at 14,000 Zen? If it hasn't been sold at that price previously, then it is a breach of trading standards rules in the UK to state that it is a sale....
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
OK, folks, we are not about to start making wild, unsubstantiated, and slanderous accusations here. Keep this civil or this thread will be closed like the last one.
That being said, we've already been in contact with the devs about this and the "regular" prices are supposed to be an in-universe reference to Mudd being a salesman/con man. We're hoping to get an official statement from them on Facebook/Twitter confirming this so that we can link it back here.
Please don't set fire to the forum. Thank you.
There's a bigger issue there Badmoon, in most states(I believe including california) its illegal to list a new item as "on sale" when you never intend to sell it at the "original" price. (Its also illegal to raise the price of something when you put it on sale higher than what the normal price would've been, like say a 2 dollar bottle of water goes on sale 66% off, but you change the base price to 4 dollars to nullify the sale.) Now I doubt the devs would've intentially broken the law, but it is something that hopefully someone notifies them of.
The issue I see with Mudd’s Market, is that people, myself included, already have some account wide unlocks already, So at the very least those IMO should have an additional discount, Maybe about 50% off the 75% for any Items that you have from reruns and 90% off for items that are already account wide unlocks and I might consider this
Why would you buy an account unlock for an item where you already have an account unlock!?
Really Only for the Universal upgrade, I figure 150-200zen for one of those is fair
Not agreeing with someone doesn't give you the right to be an TRIBBLE.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
There are two explanations for this the first one is that they allowed gecko to have control over this. The second explanation is that its a joke. Then well a third explanation is that pwe called and said gecko great idea add some more zeros behind the amount though we need to make sure the dilithium exchange enters a black hole and then sucks itself into it sideways, upside down, and backwards all at once kind of like a gravity well in the game. What makes me mad is that there is no k'vort in there for 1,000,000 zen. That just absolutely pissed me off right to grethor because again we get left out of this joke its like we didn't even get a plate at this bbq nevermind not even getting the meat I mean you could have give us a plate with a picture of some bbq duct taped to it.
OK, folks, we are not about to start making wild, unsubstantiated, and slanderous accusations here. Keep this civil or this thread will be closed like the last one.
That being said, we've already been in contact with the devs about this and the "regular" prices are supposed to be an in-universe reference to Mudd being a salesman/con man. We're hoping to get an official statement from them on Facebook/Twitter confirming this so that we can link it back here.
Please don't set fire to the forum. Thank you.
In many countries - including the UK, you cannot simply make a "joke" about sale prices... there are rules in place around how and when you may advertise things as "on sale". Boring yes, but those rules are in place so that you cannot be seen to be trying to trick consumers in to thinking they are getting value, that they are not. if those items have never been on sale at those original prices, then - joke or not - you should not be advertising them as "on sale". That is misleading your customers.
The normal / list prices are insane, but items are really being sold at that price to people who will pay anything so no laws are being broken.
Sorry - can you tell me exactly when/where the Vizier class is/was actually being sold at 14,000 Zen? If it hasn't been sold at that price previously, then it is a breach of trading standards rules in the UK to state that it is a sale....
> ... If it hasn't been sold at that price previously ...
Not quite true - Cryptic introduces all ship packs with an initial sale price, only going back to the regular price later on. I'm no lawyer but I bet the law is like in the US where it's illegal if it is only ever sold at the sale price and never at list price.
The NEWS item claims the sale prices will change. All they have to do is cycle through what is and is not on sale.
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That said, the actual prices for these items is, IMO, still far too high. 2k zen each for the former FE rewards, the Beacon of Kahless, the Crystalline weapons pack and the Voth Dino? 3.5k zen for the Vizier? I don't care about those Ultimate Upgrades they threw into those packs in an attempt to make them seem worth it, still far to spendy.
Even with a 50% off sale, I'd still not likely buy most of the stuff. Probably the Holo Leeta and Holo EMH BOffs at 50% off. If the former FE rewards would have been 500 zen, I would have already bought them as well. The Beacon, Crystalline weapons and the Dino, 1k zen seems fair. I mean, those items were at least obtainable in game so 500-1k zen seems like a fair price to make them essentially account unlocks, especially if players missed the events or want the former FE rewards on newer characters.
The ONLY item under the Mudd banner I believe is close to appropriately priced is the Hologram TOS Crew. And even then, 2.5k zen seems a smidge much.
Losing faith in humanity, one person at a time.
Oh no, I have been conned. I actually thought it was a genuine sale. Grrrr, it not funny being conned I bought leeta and EMH.
Nobody will buy MACO outfits for 2M Dil
How can the Enterprise be a promo ship? Its not worth 300 $
The drop chance of epic phonix tokens is much too low *opens more*
Lol... I'm not suprised here and find it funny that anybody of you guys are. Be optimistic! Thats how much your gaming time is worth to Cryptic. Rember that next time you take a break from game when an event is on... I have everything from that store... none is any good.
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Kudos to Cryptic for achieving that with this absolutely ridiculous pricing scheme.
The people setting prices have lost their collective minds.
This is an undefendable cash grab very in the wheelhouse of the current EP. Just look at his resume.
The ship is fine at the "sale" price. Considering that you literally couldn't get it right now at any price anywhere, a 500 Zen markup from the standard single T6 ship is fine.
500 Zen each was also about what I expected for account unlocks for the FE rewards. It's not great that this is the way that those are being released, mind you, but it's not the worst thing ever, especially if you're a newer player, or like making alts. You get the things now and forever, without having to wonder about when (or if) the next rerun event will be.
They probably shouldn't have put the EMH in there, or shouldn't have put him in the Phoenix Prize Pack first. Without him being in the Phoenix Prize Pack, his price would have been just fine, like the rest of the BOffs.
What exactly did you call? The only things that I see with Ultimate Upgrades are the same things that had them in the announcement blog.
Edit: About the only thing that truly alarms me about this is that it apparently has put the final nail in the Zen exchange. If it remains at 500, the amount of 499 or less offers will shrink to nothing, and even the 500 offers will hit a plateau, and eventually start declining. People will stop buying Zen to list at 500 if they feel that the ceiling is artificially limiting what they could actually get for it.
I am stun, utterly stun. The Vizier Class normal zen price is 14,000 zen - The temporal pack is 1500 zen and comes with 6 ships, 5 costumes, one ultimate upgrade pack, and one robot bridge officer.
Im stunned too considering what a bad ship it is. Not even the admirality card is any good. Dont bother with it to the slightest.
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You've summed up why this type of practise is illegal in several regions, as I've already mentioned. Even if its intended as a joke (I'm not going to assume malice) its really not appropriate.
Mudd is a used car salesman in space. Those "normal prices" are not a real thing, just something that he would tell you to make you think that you're getting a great deal. The 75% discount is likely the real normal price.
In many countries - including the UK, you cannot simply make a "joke" about sale prices... there are rules in place around how and when you may advertise things as "on sale". Boring yes, but those rules are in place so that you cannot be seen to be trying to trick consumers in to thinking they are getting value, that they are not. if those items have never been on sale at those original prices, then - joke or not - you should not be advertising them as "on sale". That is misleading your customers.
If it was supposed to be a "joke" they should know ... it's not very funny, except to laugh at them for being such greedy no goodniks.
Worst cash grab they have ever done.
With an attempt to appeal to the FOMO (fear of missing out) thrown in for good measure.
I really think someone was doing drugs and while giggling said "lets make the prices totally insane! That's funny right?"
I'd be disappointed in them, but at this point all there is to do is laugh at the foolish thing they have done.
Don't care if they make some lame attempts to explain it.
Damage is done.
We can now fully see the extortive scheme we can expect going forward.
There is no making this better.
They gone and shot themselves in the TRIBBLE.
Anybody wanna buy a monocle?
The normal / list prices are insane, but items are really being sold at that price to people who will pay anything so no laws are being broken.
- Have The Ophidian Cane from “Night of the Comet” rerun on January 11, 2018
- Have Shard of Possibilities from “Boldly They Rode” rerun on January 11, 2018
- Have The Reman Science Officer Candidate “Cutting the Cord” rerun on January 11, 2018
- Have The Breen Tactical Officer Candidate from “Cold Storage” rerun on January 11, 2018
The only characters that do not have these are all after Victory is LifeThese are only ones In Mudd’s Markets that makes sense to me as they are nice to have and were never part of any in game reward
Side Note: It would be nice if there was a Procured Original Series Enterprise Holographic Klingon Bridge Officers pack with some of the notable Klingons from the TOS era for KDF players
Quality of Life Improvements for the Mission Journal
Enhancement for the Duty Office Assignments
Enhancement for Admiralty Missions
Enhancement for Accolades and Reward
Enhancement Bridge Officers
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Why would you buy an account unlock for an item where you already have an account unlock!?
YES, IT'S A JOKE!!! It's just a shame that the Dev's have underestimated people's lack of humour and lack of knowledge of the CONMAN Harry Harcourt Mudd! The 'Sale' prices are the 'real' prices. The one's in red a Mudd's attempt at conning you into a 'sale'.
The game isn't dying.
Pretty sure the "regular" price is just an in universe joke referencing Harry Mudd's status as a con man. Good bet that the real price is the current "sale" price.
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What do you mean? It's great!
When they sell power creep they appeal to performance players.
When they sell stuff in the mudd store they appeal to stupid players.
Dil/Zen ratio since today leads me to belive the latter works out perfectly. Golden times ahead.
I so hope we get more in the mudd store and nobody will cry over getting an AFK pen in ISA or pay to win ever again.
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Sorry - can you tell me exactly when/where the Vizier class is/was actually being sold at 14,000 Zen? If it hasn't been sold at that price previously, then it is a breach of trading standards rules in the UK to state that it is a sale....
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
There's a bigger issue there Badmoon, in most states(I believe including california) its illegal to list a new item as "on sale" when you never intend to sell it at the "original" price. (Its also illegal to raise the price of something when you put it on sale higher than what the normal price would've been, like say a 2 dollar bottle of water goes on sale 66% off, but you change the base price to 4 dollars to nullify the sale.) Now I doubt the devs would've intentially broken the law, but it is something that hopefully someone notifies them of.
Really Only for the Universal upgrade, I figure 150-200zen for one of those is fair
Quality of Life Improvements for the Mission Journal
Enhancement for the Duty Office Assignments
Enhancement for Admiralty Missions
Enhancement for Accolades and Reward
Enhancement Bridge Officers
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
> ... If it hasn't been sold at that price previously ...
Not quite true - Cryptic introduces all ship packs with an initial sale price, only going back to the regular price later on. I'm no lawyer but I bet the law is like in the US where it's illegal if it is only ever sold at the sale price and never at list price.
The NEWS item claims the sale prices will change. All they have to do is cycle through what is and is not on sale.
That also answers @westx211 's concern.