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redwren89
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Hi.
Albeit most of sto players know that the Vaadwaur Juggernaut is in a class of its own, because they're juggernauts. My question is this:
Should we see federation, klingon, romulan and dominion juggernauts in the fall or next year? adding in these ships would be a logical progression, and much fun for those who really do want to plough through enemies in a slow tanky ship with unstoppable force.
I really like this one for the federation - but obviously made to look less friendly.
http://www.starbase400.org/avalon/ExcaliburMarkII2.JPG
Albeit most of sto players know that the Vaadwaur Juggernaut is in a class of its own, because they're juggernauts. My question is this:
Should we see federation, klingon, romulan and dominion juggernauts in the fall or next year? adding in these ships would be a logical progression, and much fun for those who really do want to plough through enemies in a slow tanky ship with unstoppable force.
I really like this one for the federation - but obviously made to look less friendly.
http://www.starbase400.org/avalon/ExcaliburMarkII2.JPG
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Never really liked the whole putting all eggs in one basket mentality. Doesn't fit the federation, RR, KDF or new Dominion either.
Just give em to the Terrans and potentially the Klingon/Cardassian alliance from the mirror universe.
Gives us better targets to shoot at.
I think the Galaxy Class might want a word with you on that part; a Federation-designed, Federation-built & Federation-operated "all eggs in one basket"-style of starship designed to do practically everything short of assimilation. The "all eggs in one basket" and multi-purpose approach to ships, technology and (to a more limited extent) even personnel training is exactly how the Federation often tends to do things. Even if they don't always take to the same extreme as they did with the Galaxy Class.
> I really like this one for the federation - but obviously made to look less friendly.
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> http://www.starbase400.org/avalon/ExcaliburMarkII2.JPG
Just FYI, we're not getting any fan-designed ships in STO for the foreseeable future because of the fracas over the design of the Odyssey-class. That's in the FCT.
...THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED!
Remember how poorly that beloved Galaxy class performed without a plot armor to save its tailpipe?
Yamato and Odyssey may not have done very well, but apparently Galaxy class starships were actually pretty powerful duing the later stages of the Dominion War after they got the refit.
Indeed there seems to be 2 distinct production phases for the GCS, with the Enterprise and Yamato belonging to phase 1 and those were the ones that would blow up if you looked at their general direction meanly (during early TNG that is they were refitted later), phase 2 Galaxies would be the big hitters in the federation fleets during the dominion war, newer ships like the Akiras or the Sovereigns seem to be much rarer and older ships like the Mirandas aren't powerful enough anymore, leaving the Galaxies being the primary heavy hitters for Starfleet.
We don't know which phase the Odyssey belongs but she did took extensive damage before going down (she's missing a massive chunk of the engineering hull near the main deflector dish before she explodes).
There's also implication that namesake of the Galaxy class survived as far as Nemesis (there's a USS Galaxy in the fleet sent to meet up with the Enterprise we don't know the classes of any of those ships).
The Galaxy class is basically a powerful self-escorting troop carrier that holds a full brigade for really hot planetary assaults like Chin'Toka. In peacetime the barracks and ground equipment storage areas are converted to living space suites and extra lab and recreation spaces for ultra-long deployments complete with families and civilian scientists aboard, and (in theory at least) the extensive hopper and ground support shuttle spaces repurposed for more scientific shuttles. According to dialog it can hold 6000 fully armed and equipped troops or in a pinch evacuate up to 15,000 people for short trips.
It is anything but a small ship, I really see little need for Star Trek to jump on the bloated ship Star Wars bandwagon and start pumping out ships measured in miles instead of meters.
It kind of wonder if the "captain's gig" may double as the core of a mobile headquarters command facility in ground campaigns though there is not much about the thing except that it exists so that is just speculation.
Well I suspect the Galaxy is designed and built for its peacetime role first and converted to the wartime role. That said we know that GCS is a battleship in its on right capable of taking on the equilevant klingon or romulan ships and come out on top.
and honestly the largest federation ship in game at the moment (the Universe-class) is "only" 3 km long and no the Crossfield nor the DSC version of the Connie aren't above 1 km long.
I'm more to akin that exploration is getting deeper and deeper, and the voyages last many years.....you don't wanna be stuck on a small shoe box of a ship.
And so was the Excelsior class after the refit, Galaxy refits were just more common as they were designed and built in the same century as the Dominion war.
and i would also like to point out that, during the battle of chin'toka, a galaxy was seen taking SEVERAL hits from heavy spiral-wave disruptor beams fired by the defense platforms with barely a scratch...while d'deridexes were being hit by those same beams and absolutely torn to shreds
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On the matter of the Odessey I agree 100%.
In all the frailty of the GCS is a brainbug similar to the firing accuracity (or lack of it) of Stormtroopers in Star Wars, when you look at all the evidence is context stormtroopers are as accurate if not slightly better then modern soldiers (in combat conditions that is not at the range) and the Galaxy-class while it had some issues at the start is nowhere as frail as it's assumed most of the time.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Fun little fact: when shown in battle scenes from the Dominion war, the Galaxy class vessels only demolished Cardassian vessels. Never JH ships. So the question is how potent they were against anything not obsolete (like Cardassian vessels).
The Stormtroopers must really be clones of Worf...
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Sadly, Cryptic made so many ships bigger and bigger, like the Command ships and the Miracle Worker ships - the latter would be awesome if they could separate the dorsal part and transforn into two full ships, by the way. But size wise, those are big as well.
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I'm so amazed and relieved that I didn't start another uninteresting thread and thankyou for your responses thus far.
We have ships that seem to get bigger and bigger in terms of stats, hull etc. That's expected power creep. On a side note, putting race specific juggernauts into the mix seems like a good reason to keep up the incessant creep.
Ships keep getting bigger, but the Buran didn't. I mean she's tiny compared to a galaxy, but has more hull and shields and is a command ship. I think we should take a leaf out of star wars book of monstrous ship terrors and develop some pinnacle kitchen sink utility ships, with all eggs in one giant warpcore xd. Chicken warpcore that is.
But alas, being bigger isn't necessarily better, however being better oftens involves going bigger and with the 'ever increasing threats to the galaxy' and such a huge powerful alliance spanning the entire galaxy, where are our big ships that signify togetherness and safety in this daunting astronomical space?
You want big, you got big.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'