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Discovery 2x14: Such Sweet Sorrow p2 (spoilers)
thegrandnagus1
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It's almost time. Any last minute guesses?
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The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/live-feed/star-trek-discovery-season-2-finale-time-jump-explained-1203166
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Personally, I think they should leave DISCO on this as the series finale, and not a season finale, as it's a great send-off for the Discovery Crew, with Michael Burnham leading them through the temporal wormhole into an unknown future in the 33rd century.
Plus, ending the series at that point would opening the door for fanfiction about the Discovery's exploits in the 33rd century and beyond.
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And we actually see them ripping into the ships, not just a beam of light hitting a spot. I'm pretty sure we haven't seen Phasers do damage like that since Wrath of Khan?
Ethan Peck doesn't have a babyface...he has a Baby's face lol maybe he should of kept the beard lol
And this is the worst part of Season 2. There is absolutely no explanation how Burnham would know about the location of the USS Hiawatha or Terralysium or figure out the secret behind the Kelpiens, time crystals, and the power of Po without the Red Bursts. Burnham's mother as the cause of the Red Bursts would make more sense since she spent years in the future. Knowledge has to be learnt from somewhere and can't be created out of nothing which is what happened with Discovery. The only way it makes sense is that a previous Burnham learned the locations of the USS Hiawatha and Terralysium and figured out the secrets behind the Kelpiens, time crystals, and the power of Po before creating the Red Bursts. So the Red Bursts we saw in Season 2 were not from Burnham, but a previous Burnham that actually spent time to learn what was needed to defeat Control.
We actually might get a Pike series with the way Season 2 ended. Either Discovery occurs in the future or Season 3 is about Captain Pike and the Enterprise instead of Commander Burnham and the Discovery. If I remember correctly, the first Discovery video said something about new captains, new ships, new crews, and new villains.
Doesn't change the fact that it is an extremely idiotic paradox. Everything must have an origin even if it is beyond our limited understanding. If something is trapped in an endless paradox, then it will get older and older the longer it is trapped. So a pair of glasses would eventually turn from an antique to scrap and a Kirk would end up with a pair of 18th Century glasses that are thousands of years old. Of course, this is based on the assumption that the glasses that Kirk pawns are the same glasses that Bones gave to him.
Uh... no. Nowhere is it actually stated that the pair of glasses Kirk sells will go on to be the ones McCoy gives him in ST2. That's not quite what his "and they will be again" line means.
No borg connection... yet. all those nano probes are doing at this point is remaining stuck on the spore drive room floor and the Borg have a history of time travel. so no connection yet.
Was wondering when Spock would take that beard off. very similar to John Frakes and his babyface before growing a beard.
Not sure on "Cornwell's death" per se. She could of been beamed out the moment the explosion went off and it has happened before only to rematerialise half a minute later elsewhere.
Section 31 isn't going under ground, it was specifically mentioned by the unknown character that greater transparency is required in Section 31 and that all traces of Control were eliminated as well as needing a shake up of the command line. Ash Tyler would become officially part of that as a Commader instead of in name only due to being uniquely suited by his duality of Starfleet and Klingons.
I don't take anyones word for something without proof to back it up, i never do. in this case there is now proof of Klingons arriving with help from the Ba'ul and Kelpians. Those pesky Klingons, you can't keep them away from Starfleet's dinner plate and vice versa. xD
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But the most obvious blunder was the death of admiral Cornwell. She has to sacrifice herself and 5 minutes later Enterprise beams Spock back aboard. They couldn't let her close the blastdoor from the inside and beam her out? Pike must have really wanted to get rid of her.
Overall, everything wrapped up a little too neatly. Stamets and Culbert are back together, Spock and Burnham love each other, control is destroyed for good, Pike is his former self, Spock has rejoined Enterprise's crew, Saru's sister survived, Georgiou survived, the queen survived, the Klingon chancellor survived, Tyler becomes head of section 31... and nobody speaks of the USS Discovery and her spore drive ever again. Not Starfleet, not the Klingons. The writing wasn't exactly superb.
Torpedo was blocking transport hence why they couldn't just beam it out into space...Trek trope number 189
Also, nice to see 1701 kicking tin and taking names. It seemed like big E was champing a lot more punishment than Disco in that battle.
And personally, I like neat endings. Loose ends nag me. This was a good, happy ending.
(But yes, the battle was way too long. Especially given the 'submarine warfare' style to TOS battles, where an engagement lasted maybe a couple of salvos.)
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Contra : everything else
Megacontra : Tilly still alive ( i wish it was her in the torpedo room)
Also you can't see Tribbles during the battle. The same trainwreck style like this stupid battle in the beginning of EP3
, I kept hearing some familiar faint chanting, but I can't quite put my finger on what they actually were...
Oh right, remember when the show kept trying to tell you Burnham is delusional into thinking everything revolves around her? Well, it continues to fail at following this reasoning.
Also, Cornwell's death is quite high in my list of "freakingly stupid" ones. Not the character's final actions, as they're quite badass but everything surrounding it, from the ridiculously small blast door that is pretty much a basic starship corridor door, due the manual override's location, to the lame effects of the detonation in the room, to Pike not even being shaken, merely bothered by the light while the torpedo blew up about 1 third of the saucer.
Even the overload of Voyager's Deck 5 in Year of Hell was more convincing and sad, despite having a similar premise and it felt like a much more urgent situation than that.
cryptic...refracted lattice shields when?
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The-Grand-Nagus
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For all we know, the crew may (will) have made things even worse or even will have created the threat in the first place, and may have saved the present but doomed the future.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
A: Where was that stated in the show?
B: if control were still out there, why is no one fighting it in TOS/TMP/TNG/DS9/VOY/etc?
C: Alex Kurtzman interview:
So regardless of my questions A and B above, Kurtzman says it's officially neutralized.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Also, Kurtzman has confirmed Control is officially neutralized in the interview link above in this thread, which is consistent since it sent everything to try and get rid of Michael and when it died (pathetically, I need to point out), all S31ships went dead in space.
Please see questions A and B from my previous post.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008