Maybe everyone gets something to make up for the loss (symbolically)?
I'd say maybe give us the choice of getting a globally-unlocked ship trait of our choice? That would be really nice and consistent, since it would benefit both newbies as well as vets who have plenty of ships.
This would be a lucrative reward, unless it's too much spaghetti code.
Given the Foundry broke every time their was a game update, and the fact it can be seen as an exploit for finishing personal Endeavours... It makes sense to retire it.
I think it would be nice if a replacement could be made, but if that means diverting people, time and energy away from development of new missions/content for the game, then yes - it's time for it to go.
It is sad. It will be missed. I played some amazing missions on, and a few not so great ones. BUT if this means the Devs can spend more time on new content, I'm all for it.
People ask how long have I been playing STO - well the answer is simple: I have been here since the beginning. I just haven't always had a lot to say.
In my opinion a very bad decision. Player-made content makes a game thrive, people put their time, their energy, their creativity into a game. And this makes loyal customers. Taking that away also takes away the incentive to spend time and energy in a game, and in essence, also money. So saying that "the foundry can't be monetized" is wrong, it has very indirect but feelable effect upon people spending money on a game. And thats what you want, Cryptic, thats what you want.
Now, if you say, "old the system is a clumpsy mess", fine, than give us a new, shiny cleaned up version. Really really consider working on a Foundry 2.0 that doesn't break with every update. I'll leave the technical details to the code monkeys.
I would also highly consider leaving the current foundry with all features and episodes ingame. Maybe just create a completely separate version of STO based upon the current live version that can use the foundry. I'd be fine with having 20Gigs of extra data on my harddrive if I can still use the foundry. Perhaps optional so people may choose if they want to download it. We have this system already with the Tribble test server.
Right now, the Disco Operations pack was a move into the wrong direction. I'm fine with the content, but not with the price you wanted for it, so I did only pick the two Fed ships out of it.
Now closing down the Foundry is another step into the wrong direction IMO. Just listen to the fanbase, give them what they want, and you will get money in return. Earl Nightingale once said:"Most people sit in a cold room in front of an empty oven, and they say:"Give me heat, give heat." And if the oven could talk, he would say:"It doesn't work like that mate. First give me firewood, than I can give you heat."
A zero cost way for Cryptic to finance and expand the foundry
Yes, I mean that (and not in any sarcastic way). Your livestream yesterday did a lot to soften the blow. I'm still annoyed but I've cooled down enough to put it in its place.
I know you guys at Cryptic get a lot of flak from us the players but that's because we care (because of time/money invested), but I also know (from Al Rivera's interviews on P-One and elsewhere) you tried, which Kael reaffirmed.
I really appreciate that you guys are making a back-up of all foundry maps, and although not accessible (for now) just knowing some of the absolute gems in there will not Boldy Go Where No Foundry will return from is sort of a relief. And I'm also aware the foundry is a pain to update after every expansion - however I didn't realized how much of a different system the foundry and STO proper are. Not apples/oranges, but apples/furry tribble underpants (dont' judge me).
I'm showing your livestream to my fleet mates and it did settle some heated arguments, so kudos for that.
LLAP
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This is devastating news and a terrible decision. STO became less and less Star Trek. The Story writing of most content is an insult to intellectual Star Trek Fans, the gameplay even more so. Pew Pew and nothing more. No exploration, no making contact with new Life. Only Pew. The Foundry was the only place where you could find really good and Trekworty stories. And now that is removed too. I would rather have all "regular" STO shut removed and keep only the Foundry alive.
"Give them what they want" doesn't work when your fanbase wants everything, including contradictory things.
A large amount of community reaction about this step seems to be negative, so they DO want to have a functioning foundry. I certainly do, simply because there is more great story content in there. I just watched Youtube videos from ZEFilms and Counteryologaming, and they both are negative about it.
I have an idea. If Cryptic cannot keep up with the Foundry, what about they make it OpenSource or let some CodeMonkeys from the community at the Code. Perhaps just a few people who are willing and able. A lot of community projects/Mods require a damn lot of programming, perhaps there are some people here willing to take a look at the code or help create a Foundry2.0. I mean, look at Star Trek Armada III (a Sins of the Solar Empire mod) or Star Trek New Horizon (a Stellaris Mod), all great fan-made things. Perhaps some people in the community are willing to work for some promotional ships or a "Savior of the Foundry" title.
A zero cost way for Cryptic to finance and expand the foundry
BUT if this means the Devs can spend more time on new content, I'm all for it.
You must be very new to the game if you believe that's actually going to happen.
I've been playing for 9 years, but I don't think I'll be here for 10.
The foundry was about the only reason I still play and with it gone, I don't really have a reason to log on anymore. I'm kind of upset I just spent around 30 dollars on the game.
Y'know, back when the F2P switch happened a lot of people said it would turn the game into a South Korean grindfest with no real story. I said it wouldn't and the reason it wouldn't was the Foundry. What irks me is that basically you're just proving all of the naysayers right. It kind of makes me sick.
The fact that Matt, probably the most prolific author who uses the forums is here should be a clue to you, same with the universally negative reaction except for a forum moderator who clearly believes this developer can do no wrong. I'm curious to see what Duncan's reaction is, I know it won't be pretty, but it'll be fair and reasoned.
The fact that the vets and the authors are as angry as they are should be news to you. Glad I didn't shell out for the lifetime sub last week like I almost did. I'd be absolutely furious and I'm far from being happy about this as it is.
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Live stream did not stream for me. Thumbs down for the decision to remove the foundry.
I hope there is an option that Spotlight missions will be transformed into regular missions. There are tons of planets with nothing attached to them, make them a foundry based patrol. Preferably with a decent reward.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
The Foundry system gave this MMO a unique feature, a feature that made it differentiate this MMO from others and to be honest it covered the lack of content in some areas of the game especially after the exploration missions removal. Now you are just another MMO full of generic missions and no uniqueness at all removing content of fans that had the amazing opportunity to create they're own missions from exploration ,to diplomacy, to tactical scenarios , to custom fleet events (and yes grinding wich is the only negative thing that was part of the foundry and I wont miss) that had a lifespan as old as this game. So your 9 year effort matters to this game but not the 9 year efforts of fans just wanting to create something unique that might have taken them months to create even years (If you take the foundry series of episodes into account) simply to please the community or themselves like you? Well great thank you for making the greatest mistake a developer can make to this game simply because you lost the right people to handle it and ruining this game for me and also ruining years of work made by this community... You could at least if it is possible I'm not sure to redevelop the foundry and make it viable to your systems instead of just removing it this just show lazyness on your part.
Maybe everyone gets something to make up for the loss (symbolically)?
I'd say maybe give us the choice of getting a globally-unlocked ship trait of our choice? That would be really nice and consistent, since it would benefit both newbies as well as vets who have plenty of ships.
This would be a lucrative reward, unless it's too much spaghetti code.
They're already giving out rewards.
The Genesis device is nice. Too bad i won't get my hands on it. (cough)future phoenix box(cough)
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
...except for a forum moderator who clearly believes this developer can do no wrong.
Ha! Funny. You don't know me, bub. Don't presume to know what I believe based solely on what I post here for the general public. If I have grievances and/or criticisms for the devs, I air those in private. Just because I understand why they made this decision, doesn't mean that I'm happy about it. But also, just because I'm not happy about it, doesn't mean I'm going to neglect my job and let people burn the forum down and spread wild rumors and blatantly false accusations either.
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> @baddmoonrizin said: > fadamsxiicryptic wrote: » > > ...except for a forum moderator who clearly believes this developer can do no wrong. > > > > > Ha! Funny. You don't know me, bub. Don't presume to know what I believe based solely on what I post here for the general public. If I have grievances and/or criticisms for the devs, I air those in private. Just because I understand why they made this decision, doesn't mean that I'm happy about it. But also, just because I'm not happy about it, doesn't mean I'm going to neglect my job and let people burn the forum down and spread wild rumors and blatantly false accusations either.
It dose seem like you’re that upset about it when you’re attacking people for having an opinion.
It's fine being upset by the decision but be realistic the 10 of you threatening to never play the game again are not going to have the desired impact. It's a case of the loud minority. It really isn't worth you getting worked up so much.
Honestly if you were only ever playing this game for user generated content (that breaks a lot) are you really who developers are going to listen to?
Theres a line between passion and lunacy and calls for a boycott cross it. And calls for them to release a whole new game for it alone are also just dumb. Realism is important.
Let's celebrate the foundry for the good times we had in it and just see what comes next.
Worst news I've heard in the game, full stop. The Foundry was a very good thing - an outlet for player creativity, and a chance to see some different (and, yes, more "Trek-like") content in the game. Yes, I'm sure it's a pain to maintain it, but even so....
Ha! Funny. You don't know me, bub. Don't presume to know what I believe based solely on what I post here for the general public. If I have grievances and/or criticisms for the devs, I air those in private. Just because I understand why they made this decision, doesn't mean that I'm happy about it. But also, just because I'm not happy about it, doesn't mean I'm going to neglect my job and let people burn the forum down and spread wild rumors and blatantly false accusations either.[/quote]
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It dose seem like you’re that upset about it when you’re attacking people for having an opinion.
He is not attacking people for having an opinion. He has outright said you can be p**** off, angry etc regarding this decisions as long as you are respectful. However, that does not excuse going against forum rules, or wild rumours, spectulation or tin foil hat conspiracy theories.
The word conspiracy and the idea that something is not real do not equate and are not synonymous. As such a "Conspiracy Theory" is not an automatic indicator of diminished capacity.
Speculation based upon incomplete facts and using an entities, in this case a game developers, behavioral history to fill gaps in said facts (until more facts become available) is neither unusual nor entirely irrational as the application of the word "nuts" to the word "conspiracy" is meant to imply.
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It dose seem like you’re that upset about it when you’re attacking people for having an opinion.
He is not attacking people for having an opinion. He has outright said you can be p**** off, angry etc regarding this decisions as long as you are respectful. However, that does not excuse going against forum rules, or wild rumours, spectulation or tin foil hat conspiracy theories.
The suggestion that opinions are fine so long as conditions A, Blue, Rutabega/21/TRX, FishFart, Echo, Echo, Echo, Saturn Lipstick Calico are met is a bit of a weird position to take.
The real reason the Foundry is being shut down? CBS. They said no end game Constitutions and people were creating Missions with end game Constitutions. Also, there were not enough Discovery Missions to suit them.
Yep, that's the real reasons, yep.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The real reason the Foundry is being shut down? CBS. They said no end game Constitutions and people were creating Missions with end game Constitutions. Also, there were not enough Discovery Missions to suit them.
Yep, that's the real reasons, yep.
Thank you Ltminns, i needed that laugh after a day like today.
The suggestion that opinions are fine so long as conditions A, Blue, Rutabega/21/TRX, FishFart, Echo, Echo, Echo, Saturn Lipstick Calico are met is a bit of a weird position to take.
People are allowed to have opinions. People are also free to voice their opinions in the positive or the negative. I myself have said I am not a fan of this decision but I understand they had to make a business decision. Thus I voiced my opinion. You are also free to voice your disagreement with the opinions of others.
With that said, there are still rules for conduct on this forum that will be adhered to if people wish to post on this forum and keep posting on this forum. If all someone is going to do is attack Cryptic while hurling insults, that is a violation of the forum rules and will not be tolerated.
At the end of the day Cryptic is a business and they made a business decision. The reasons for that decision, being time and resources, as stated by our own Ambassador Kael and others, are the reasons for this decision. There is no evil mastermind plan to destroy the game. It just came to a point it was no longer feasible to keep the foundry running.
It sucks that this happened, and people are free to voice their opinion that it sucks. Open and civil discussion is what encourages change and how things get done. Continuing to assert that there is some evil masterminded plan and/or asserting conjecture as fact are not helpful in this situation.
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I think it would be nice if a replacement could be made, but if that means diverting people, time and energy away from development of new missions/content for the game, then yes - it's time for it to go.
It is sad. It will be missed. I played some amazing missions on, and a few not so great ones. BUT if this means the Devs can spend more time on new content, I'm all for it.
Now, if you say, "old the system is a clumpsy mess", fine, than give us a new, shiny cleaned up version. Really really consider working on a Foundry 2.0 that doesn't break with every update. I'll leave the technical details to the code monkeys.
I would also highly consider leaving the current foundry with all features and episodes ingame. Maybe just create a completely separate version of STO based upon the current live version that can use the foundry. I'd be fine with having 20Gigs of extra data on my harddrive if I can still use the foundry. Perhaps optional so people may choose if they want to download it. We have this system already with the Tribble test server.
Right now, the Disco Operations pack was a move into the wrong direction. I'm fine with the content, but not with the price you wanted for it, so I did only pick the two Fed ships out of it.
Now closing down the Foundry is another step into the wrong direction IMO. Just listen to the fanbase, give them what they want, and you will get money in return. Earl Nightingale once said:"Most people sit in a cold room in front of an empty oven, and they say:"Give me heat, give heat." And if the oven could talk, he would say:"It doesn't work like that mate. First give me firewood, than I can give you heat."
https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1247522/foundry-sunset-april-11th-2019/p15
Look at my post about a Foundry Ship
BRING BACK THE FOUNDRY!
Yes, I mean that (and not in any sarcastic way). Your livestream yesterday did a lot to soften the blow. I'm still annoyed but I've cooled down enough to put it in its place.
Just posting this here again
I know you guys at Cryptic get a lot of flak from us the players but that's because we care (because of time/money invested), but I also know (from Al Rivera's interviews on P-One and elsewhere) you tried, which Kael reaffirmed.
I really appreciate that you guys are making a back-up of all foundry maps, and although not accessible (for now) just knowing some of the absolute gems in there will not Boldy Go Where No Foundry will return from is sort of a relief. And I'm also aware the foundry is a pain to update after every expansion - however I didn't realized how much of a different system the foundry and STO proper are. Not apples/oranges, but apples/furry tribble underpants (dont' judge me).
I'm showing your livestream to my fleet mates and it did settle some heated arguments, so kudos for that.
LLAP
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A large amount of community reaction about this step seems to be negative, so they DO want to have a functioning foundry. I certainly do, simply because there is more great story content in there. I just watched Youtube videos from ZEFilms and Counteryologaming, and they both are negative about it.
I have an idea. If Cryptic cannot keep up with the Foundry, what about they make it OpenSource or let some CodeMonkeys from the community at the Code. Perhaps just a few people who are willing and able. A lot of community projects/Mods require a damn lot of programming, perhaps there are some people here willing to take a look at the code or help create a Foundry2.0. I mean, look at Star Trek Armada III (a Sins of the Solar Empire mod) or Star Trek New Horizon (a Stellaris Mod), all great fan-made things. Perhaps some people in the community are willing to work for some promotional ships or a "Savior of the Foundry" title.
https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1247522/foundry-sunset-april-11th-2019/p15
Look at my post about a Foundry Ship
BRING BACK THE FOUNDRY!
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You must be very new to the game if you believe that's actually going to happen.
I've been playing for 9 years, but I don't think I'll be here for 10.
The foundry was about the only reason I still play and with it gone, I don't really have a reason to log on anymore. I'm kind of upset I just spent around 30 dollars on the game.
Y'know, back when the F2P switch happened a lot of people said it would turn the game into a South Korean grindfest with no real story. I said it wouldn't and the reason it wouldn't was the Foundry. What irks me is that basically you're just proving all of the naysayers right. It kind of makes me sick.
The fact that Matt, probably the most prolific author who uses the forums is here should be a clue to you, same with the universally negative reaction except for a forum moderator who clearly believes this developer can do no wrong. I'm curious to see what Duncan's reaction is, I know it won't be pretty, but it'll be fair and reasoned.
The fact that the vets and the authors are as angry as they are should be news to you. Glad I didn't shell out for the lifetime sub last week like I almost did. I'd be absolutely furious and I'm far from being happy about this as it is.
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Live stream did not stream for me. Thumbs down for the decision to remove the foundry.
I hope there is an option that Spotlight missions will be transformed into regular missions. There are tons of planets with nothing attached to them, make them a foundry based patrol. Preferably with a decent reward.
The Genesis device is nice. Too bad i won't get my hands on it. (cough)future phoenix box(cough)
The folks in charge have GOT to realize this is going to be like slicing someone's face open and rubbing salt in.
Ha! Funny. You don't know me, bub. Don't presume to know what I believe based solely on what I post here for the general public. If I have grievances and/or criticisms for the devs, I air those in private. Just because I understand why they made this decision, doesn't mean that I'm happy about it. But also, just because I'm not happy about it, doesn't mean I'm going to neglect my job and let people burn the forum down and spread wild rumors and blatantly false accusations either.
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> Ha! Funny. You don't know me, bub. Don't presume to know what I believe based solely on what I post here for the general public. If I have grievances and/or criticisms for the devs, I air those in private. Just because I understand why they made this decision, doesn't mean that I'm happy about it. But also, just because I'm not happy about it, doesn't mean I'm going to neglect my job and let people burn the forum down and spread wild rumors and blatantly false accusations either.
It dose seem like you’re that upset about it when you’re attacking people for having an opinion.
Honestly if you were only ever playing this game for user generated content (that breaks a lot) are you really who developers are going to listen to?
Theres a line between passion and lunacy and calls for a boycott cross it. And calls for them to release a whole new game for it alone are also just dumb. Realism is important.
Let's celebrate the foundry for the good times we had in it and just see what comes next.
Well said BMR
He is not attacking people for having an opinion. He has outright said you can be p**** off, angry etc regarding this decisions as long as you are respectful. However, that does not excuse going against forum rules, or wild rumours, spectulation or tin foil hat conspiracy theories.
Speculation based upon incomplete facts and using an entities, in this case a game developers, behavioral history to fill gaps in said facts (until more facts become available) is neither unusual nor entirely irrational as the application of the word "nuts" to the word "conspiracy" is meant to imply.
The suggestion that opinions are fine so long as conditions A, Blue, Rutabega/21/TRX, FishFart, Echo, Echo, Echo, Saturn Lipstick Calico are met is a bit of a weird position to take.
Yep, that's the real reasons, yep.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Thank you Ltminns, i needed that laugh after a day like today.
Thank you.
People are allowed to have opinions. People are also free to voice their opinions in the positive or the negative. I myself have said I am not a fan of this decision but I understand they had to make a business decision. Thus I voiced my opinion. You are also free to voice your disagreement with the opinions of others.
With that said, there are still rules for conduct on this forum that will be adhered to if people wish to post on this forum and keep posting on this forum. If all someone is going to do is attack Cryptic while hurling insults, that is a violation of the forum rules and will not be tolerated.
At the end of the day Cryptic is a business and they made a business decision. The reasons for that decision, being time and resources, as stated by our own Ambassador Kael and others, are the reasons for this decision. There is no evil mastermind plan to destroy the game. It just came to a point it was no longer feasible to keep the foundry running.
It sucks that this happened, and people are free to voice their opinion that it sucks. Open and civil discussion is what encourages change and how things get done. Continuing to assert that there is some evil masterminded plan and/or asserting conjecture as fact are not helpful in this situation.
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