I'm ambivalent about ST:D content coming into STO because I haven't seen a single episode and already have too many streaming services.
Tier 6 rep could be okay. Particularly if they add warp cores to, and maybe tweak, the older equipment sets.
Having just made a Jem'Hadar, I'm completely unexcited about the idea of making another new character. I already have too many characters as it is. The "events" (mirror invasion, etc.) are kind of nightmareish at this point.
Because it could blow up in their faces a la The Last Jedi and Solo.
While Solo objectively bombed, The Last Jedi was the highest grossing movie of 2017, the seventh highest grossing movie ever in North America, and the 9th highest grossing movie of all time.
The only thing that blew up was the reaction from the same small group of fans who have been bitter ever since Disney scrapped the abysmally unwieldy Star wars expanded universe.
It is ranked as one of the worst Star Wars movies on IMBD (only The Phantom Menace, and Attack of the Clones are worse) and Rotten Tomatoes which reflects what the fans think.
Just because a movie or any product makes a lot of money, does not mean it is quality or that it will keep its fanbase.
McDonalds makes billions off their food, that doesn't make it quality. Same can be said for any product. If the amount of money a product generates is a measure of its quality then cheeseburgers and French Fries should be the healthiest food on the planet.
As for the hate (and in this case it is hate) against SW:TLJ, it appears to be far more than some small group of people who were mad about the extended universe being scrapped. There are a lot of fans of SW:TFA that hated SW:TLJ because it was disjointed and Rian Johnson's story does not fit well (in their opinion) with JJ-Abrams' SW:TFA. I dislike Star Wars in general (and always have), so I don't have a proverbial dog in that hunt and was just using Star Wars as an example of what can happen if a fanbase becomes irate with the official material a corporation creates.
I am a Star Wars fan, and I don't like The Last Jedi, and I'd love some ratings to "confirm" my opinion, but the big problem with many ratings that I encountered (for example, with Star Trek Discovery) is that disappointed fans really don't hold back on negativity. They give the movie basically the lowest of possible rating, and that just seems never quite right in the grand scheme of things. I mean, if you rate a movie 1/10, that sounds like the CGI was half-finished, the story went nowhere or made no sense at all, the actors seemed to misremember their lines and horribly over- or underact and what not.
To me personally, TLJ and TFA suffer two problems. TFA is at the same time just repeating the story elements of A New Hope, while at the same time it feels its invalidating everything the original trilogy's heroes accomplished. "Our heroes" get to see their victory turn to ashes. Not what I expected from my Star Wars fairy tale. But TFA still manages to hide that kinda by also hitting nostalgia buttons very well and introducing new mysteries. And TLJ basically took everything that made TFA still stand out positively to me - those "mystery boxes" - and said they didn't really matter. The only thing that matters from TFA? The efforts of our original heroes were all for naught, everything they built is destroyed.
It would be like creating a new Star Trek show in the 25h century and saying the Federation is at war with the Klingons or the Dominion again, and the Pagh Wraiths have conquered Bajor...
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Well I will give my thoughts to this. I have not posted here much mainly due to the fact I was never one to visit forums besides to learn things from others. Now to why I am happy this is coming and its funny its something my other half says. "If they make a series like X-men into movies that do not follow the cannon story of the comics is it that bad for those who were never fans of the comics or cartoons? Or do you make something that fits in with the times and gives a new generation of fans something they can follow and maybe like so they can follow it and enjoy it even though the fans don't?" It took me along time to see there point because I am a huge Trek, Star Wars, comic and high fantasy geek that when they do things with movies or series most fans hate I watch it knowing it was not made for me but for the future fans to have something to bring them in.
My kids do not like classic Star Trek at all but they love the new movies and yes even Discovery same as for Star Wars they like some of the old but like alot of the new stuff cause it fits there era of tv and movies. With all things time changes all it ether evolves or it becomes stale and boring and goes in to nothing. My point is is you will ether like or hate stuff so you can like it or dislike it but someone will like it and watch it regardless of the fan bases ideas of what should or should not be done.
So now that is out of the way I am excited to see where this goes because depending on what happens this could cross over with the show well that we might see more of this happening as time goes on. But I do not want them to fully focus all new stuff coming only from ST:D but add more to the game from other series as well and maybe even the spin offs they will be making along with the new movies as well.
To me personally, TLJ and TFA suffer two problems. TFA is at the same time just repeating the story elements of A New Hope, while at the same time it feels its invalidating everything the original trilogy's heroes accomplished. "Our heroes" get to see their victory turn to ashes. Not what I expected from my Star Wars fairy tale. But TFA still manages to hide that kinda by also hitting nostalgia buttons very well and introducing new mysteries. And TLJ basically took everything that made TFA still stand out positively to me - those "mystery boxes" - and said they didn't really matter. The only thing that matters from TFA? The efforts of our original heroes were all for naught, everything they built is destroyed.
Same here....the Rebellion, the billions of deaths, it was literally all for nothing. they may as well have never taken up arms against Palpatine at all. All they did was clear out the upper echelons of power in the Empire so the Idiocracy could take their place. It also makes Rouge One even sadder, Jyn Erso and her comrades literally threw their lives away for nothing.
And all just to milk the franchise for all it's worth.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Do people really like rogue one? Yes, the vader scene is awesome, but the rest of the film is as exciting as watching somebody play battlefront...
^^^
I can honestly say I liked it better than "The Last Jedi" - but hell, I also liked "Solo: A Star Wars Story" better than "The Last Jedi" as well, and I've been a Star Wars fan since I first saw the original "Star Wars" in 1977 at the age of 14. YMMV.
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> @angrytarg said: > Do people really like rogue one? Yes, the vader scene is awesome, but the rest of the film is as exciting as watching somebody play battlefront...
Liked Rogue 1 a lot better than TFA or TLJ for damn sure.
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I'm sorry, that's my fault. I've been a bad Targ
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
> @baddmoonrizin said: > Oh my God! And you're back to it again!
Don't pull out the ban hammer mea culpa!
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nope. not interested in JJ anything, and TRIBBLE other than being star trek's VD, is completely flavored by JJtrek, it has no respect for canon. I'll avoid it completely.. think I'll start a Sith on SWTOR
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Don't fret, I'll play the Star Trek: the next next old generation when Sir pat's stuff gets put in. but the Discovery TRIBBLE? nope no interest
The ST:D stuff will likely be by the 9th anniversary of the game, but I actually hope they don't waste the 10th anniversary of the game on the next Star Trek series nor ST:D. The 10th anniversary needs to be something more new and relevant to the games timeline.
It's hard to say no. It'll be free and the quality of writing for the episodes in STO is exceptional; I am genuinely interested in the stories, characters and plots. Most of the content will, obviously be based on TRIBBLE, but there'll be new stuff in general.
But...oh boy...literally No interest in TRIBBLE. Wierd characters, a main character who's entirely responsible for the klingon-fed war and every death that occurred, stupid-looking klingons,dreary yet violent tone...ugh.
I'd rather see more stuff from any other entry into the ST canon, but maybe some folks are excited for TRIBBLE-based stuff. What the heck. May as well welcome it. They were gonna integrate it into STO at some point, maybe it'll be fun diving into some stuff I have no knowledge or pre-conceptions about. Reckon they could chuck a cover-system into the ground combat while they're at it?
"billions" of fans is an overstatment as there are only 7 billion people in the entire world and gene roddenberry is not god, besides the new klingons are based on the original concept for TOS and thus technically are gene's original vision.
"billions" of fans is an overstatment as there are only 7 billion people in the entire world and gene roddenberry is not god, besides the new klingons are based on the original concept for TOS and thus technically are gene's original vision.
Actually, it was a design planned for one of the aborted, pre TMP stories from the 1970's, this picture is even in my art of star trek book from 1995
"billions" of fans is an overstatment as there are only 7 billion people in the entire world and gene roddenberry is not god, besides the new klingons are based on the original concept for TOS and thus technically are gene's original vision.
Actually, it was a design planned for one of the aborted, pre TMP stories from the 1970's, this picture is even in my art of star trek book from 1995
well my point is still valid regardless of the decade
So one year and the Klingons are morphing into something else?
It couldn't get any worse ... right?
honestly, I don't think Mr. Hetrick means that he's going to completely change the makeup for no reason. I have no idea what he DOES mean, but it's not that. His idea of "new look" could be something as simple as new uniforms. Or it might be TNG Klingons, no way to know just from that one line.
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Tier 6 rep could be okay. Particularly if they add warp cores to, and maybe tweak, the older equipment sets.
Having just made a Jem'Hadar, I'm completely unexcited about the idea of making another new character. I already have too many characters as it is. The "events" (mirror invasion, etc.) are kind of nightmareish at this point.
I am a Star Wars fan, and I don't like The Last Jedi, and I'd love some ratings to "confirm" my opinion, but the big problem with many ratings that I encountered (for example, with Star Trek Discovery) is that disappointed fans really don't hold back on negativity. They give the movie basically the lowest of possible rating, and that just seems never quite right in the grand scheme of things. I mean, if you rate a movie 1/10, that sounds like the CGI was half-finished, the story went nowhere or made no sense at all, the actors seemed to misremember their lines and horribly over- or underact and what not.
To me personally, TLJ and TFA suffer two problems. TFA is at the same time just repeating the story elements of A New Hope, while at the same time it feels its invalidating everything the original trilogy's heroes accomplished. "Our heroes" get to see their victory turn to ashes. Not what I expected from my Star Wars fairy tale. But TFA still manages to hide that kinda by also hitting nostalgia buttons very well and introducing new mysteries. And TLJ basically took everything that made TFA still stand out positively to me - those "mystery boxes" - and said they didn't really matter. The only thing that matters from TFA? The efforts of our original heroes were all for naught, everything they built is destroyed.
It would be like creating a new Star Trek show in the 25h century and saying the Federation is at war with the Klingons or the Dominion again, and the Pagh Wraiths have conquered Bajor...
My kids do not like classic Star Trek at all but they love the new movies and yes even Discovery same as for Star Wars they like some of the old but like alot of the new stuff cause it fits there era of tv and movies. With all things time changes all it ether evolves or it becomes stale and boring and goes in to nothing. My point is is you will ether like or hate stuff so you can like it or dislike it but someone will like it and watch it regardless of the fan bases ideas of what should or should not be done.
So now that is out of the way I am excited to see where this goes because depending on what happens this could cross over with the show well that we might see more of this happening as time goes on. But I do not want them to fully focus all new stuff coming only from ST:D but add more to the game from other series as well and maybe even the spin offs they will be making along with the new movies as well.
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Same here....the Rebellion, the billions of deaths, it was literally all for nothing. they may as well have never taken up arms against Palpatine at all. All they did was clear out the upper echelons of power in the Empire so the Idiocracy could take their place. It also makes Rouge One even sadder, Jyn Erso and her comrades literally threw their lives away for nothing.
And all just to milk the franchise for all it's worth.
Oink.
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I can honestly say I liked it better than "The Last Jedi" - but hell, I also liked "Solo: A Star Wars Story" better than "The Last Jedi" as well, and I've been a Star Wars fan since I first saw the original "Star Wars" in 1977 at the age of 14. YMMV.
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> Do people really like rogue one? Yes, the vader scene is awesome, but the rest of the film is as exciting as watching somebody play battlefront...
Liked Rogue 1 a lot better than TFA or TLJ for damn sure.
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> Oh my God! And you're back to it again!
Don't pull out the ban hammer mea culpa!
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Don't fret, I'll play the Star Trek: the next next old generation when Sir pat's stuff gets put in. but the Discovery TRIBBLE? nope no interest
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But...oh boy...literally No interest in TRIBBLE. Wierd characters, a main character who's entirely responsible for the klingon-fed war and every death that occurred, stupid-looking klingons,dreary yet violent tone...ugh.
I'd rather see more stuff from any other entry into the ST canon, but maybe some folks are excited for TRIBBLE-based stuff. What the heck. May as well welcome it. They were gonna integrate it into STO at some point, maybe it'll be fun diving into some stuff I have no knowledge or pre-conceptions about. Reckon they could chuck a cover-system into the ground combat while they're at it?
So one year and the Klingons are morphing into something else?
It couldn't get any worse ... right?
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"billions" of fans is an overstatment as there are only 7 billion people in the entire world and gene roddenberry is not god, besides the new klingons are based on the original concept for TOS and thus technically are gene's original vision.
Actually, it was a design planned for one of the aborted, pre TMP stories from the 1970's, this picture is even in my art of star trek book from 1995
well my point is still valid regardless of the decade
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