I have an idea for the battle sector zone: in the battlezone you have a fleet installation...which you can develop when you defend planets from the enemy (you earn dili, ec, fleet goods) but you can fight alone with maybe friends and get dili, marks and ec.
I think we can make the Jem'hader that they are allied to both factions FED and KDF (and get choose free from console package) and are independent.
I don't want to see that you can only make the sector battlezone with your fleet because i was betrayed from all fleets and don't want to join another fleet any more....
So its been like what, 6 or 9 months of a Broken Que system that leaves players trapped for 60 seconds waiting for an afk/logged off person to not click accept, and then re-queuing them automatically without being able to do anything, over 5 times, wasting over 5 mins of players time. Is there going to be anyone still playing this game by the time the new expansion comes?
Will there be a free T6 Ship for Lifetime player for the Dominion Faction?
Like the Manticore for FED and Dinaes for ROM
ps. sorry i disnt read the whole post if ther was someone else who had that question
There is no free ship token for T6 ships for lifetime subscribers, so more than likely, no.
Regarding the bolded part, there is, actually. The Manticore, Duv'qu and Dinaes are all Tier 6 Heavy Destroyers (which are FREE to Lifetime Members and 1000-day Veterans). The ships are the Veteran ships, and as for whether the Jem'Hadar will get one, most likely yes.
So its been like what, 6 or 9 months of a Broken Que system that leaves players trapped for 60 seconds waiting for an afk/logged off person to not click accept, and then re-queuing them automatically without being able to do anything, over 5 times, wasting over 5 mins of players time. Is there going to be anyone still playing this game by the time the new expansion comes?
That is sadly true...the old queue were faster ( but not sorted like today) und the old queue can refill missing player which don't click accept.
I do PvE only with organized teams from the DPS-Channels.....and yes i will make a break from the game and hoping that the new expansion will be good ( it sounds good so far)
There is no free ship token for T6 ships for lifetime subscribers, so more than likely, no.
Well, it is true there is no token, but there is a free T6 ship: Manticore Heavy Destroyer Dinaes Warbird Destroyer
Acquisition of this ship is based on either having 1000 days veteran reward unlocked or being a lifetime subscriber.
So it would not be improbable that there is also a Dominion Destroyer made available upon release of this update.
Polaron Lotus, that would be interesting to see.
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The logical conclusion is same period of time, expressed in two different measurements.
The logical conclusion is that the Deep Space 9 writers didn't bother to do fact checking within their own show, and thus, got the numbers wrong.
The idea that they are the same period of time expressed in two different measurements is headcanon, and rationalization, over two contradictory statements. Nothing has suggested a Klingon year is 1.5 times longer then a human year, and in the few instances where Klingons speak about years, its always under the assumption that its the same, or close enough, to a human year for them to not specify that there is a difference.
If Klingon years were different then human years, then the monks at Boreth wouldn't have said they have been waiting 15 centuries for Kahless, because they haven't. They have been waiting 10 centuries for Kahless(in Klingon years), which is equivalent to 15 human centuries, and they have no reason to not use their own measurement when talking about it.
Worf, Kor and Dax discussing the age of Kahless' sword all happy to say a thousand years, despite the fact it has already been dated to be older, in this very episode.{2}
If you go back and actually read the source you posted on this bit, the only time any of them use 1,000 years is in reference to the Hur'q invasion, and when the sword was stolen, not that its only 1,000 years old. The episode is actually fairly consistent with itself, just not the the other episodes.
And there is no point appealing to the writers of STO here, when their inaccuracy is the whole problem - these are people who have systemically displayed bias against Klingons in gameplay, and have gotten Klingon lore wrong repeatedly, as has been detailed numerous times on this forum by fans of Klingons.
Cryptic has been giving the Klingons so much for so long I still can't believe anyone can claim that Cryptic has a bias AGAINST them.
Oh, I'm supposed to take lectures from someone, who when proven wrong, just claims DS9 writers - which ignores the fact I cited a TNG episode, not DS9 alone - didn't bother to do fact checking on their own show. Even within a single episode. Your logical conclusion? Totally useless rubbish. What possible good exactly can Cryptic use that assumption for? What me and trygvar13 were saying is that Cryptic have gotten their interpretation of DS9's information wrong. This matters, because Cryptic in their position as choosing to cover Klingon/Hur'q content, have got to have an interpretation of DS9 information that is not to assume the show didn't bother being coherent on things like this.
And then you go off complaining about my supposed headcanon, while proclaiming your own headcanon as true. At least mine lines up with facts, as 1.5 years for one planet -when what kind of star Qo'noS orbits is not even known- in it's star's habitable region is not out of the realms of possibility, and certainly not so dissimilar that it bears special mention for being out of sync. Which is an irrelevancy anyway, as this discussion is about the amount of time being quantified - did Kahless live and act 1000 earth years ago, or 1500 earth years ago? That is the important question, as this debate, until you dragged it off course, was about Cryptic's lining up with DS9 timeline, as they use the 1000 earth year count, whereas the sword of Kahless, which I'll repeat again is the only objectively dated thing in the whole discussion, dated to 1400 Federation-count years, meaning he must have been that time or older. Even if the Klingons did mythologise their own history, that is a fact established by Starfleet science, not Klingon history - not is the Year of Kahless year length the same as a earth year, which is what you maintain.
And as for the Boreth monks and how they would quote the Klingon count; there are two reasons why a real-Klingon would quote the earth year count to Worf. Worf was raised by humans, and he became a Starfleet officer, the first Klingon to do so. To the kind of culture that Klingon is, that is more than enough to besmirch him as some sort of sub-Klingon half-breed. Which means saying it in the earth year count is a massive insult to his honour as a Klingon, as it states plainly the commentor's belief Worf does not belong to the Klingons, and is a challenge to Worf to prove his worth, on the basis his being raised by Humans could be, and in his case was, taken to presume he did not understand Klingon culture.
Now, the monks at Boreth likely did not mean it totally like this, as they have a very good reason to quote it in earth years - Worf came precisely because he is questioning his identity as a Klingon:
PICARD: Mister Worf, your personal affairs are strictly your own concern until they interfere with the operation of this ship. You have now crossed that line. As your Captain, I want to know exactly what is going on.
WORF: It is difficult to explain.
PICARD: Try.
WORF: Ever since I returned from the Carraya system I have felt empty.
PICARD: Does this have something to do with the Klingons you rescued from Carraya Four?
WORF: They were young. They knew nothing of their heritage. So while I was there, I tried to teach them. Teach them about their people, their culture. I told them our ancient stories, instructed them in our customs, explained our beliefs. And then I told them about Kahless. How he united our people long ago. How he gave us strength and honour, and how he promised to return one day and lead us again.
PICARD: Is that what you're doing here? Trying to recapture those feelings?
WORF: Yes. I was trying to summon a vision of Kahless.
PICARD: It's a pity you didn't try using the holodeck instead of setting fire to your quarters.
WORF: Using the holodeck would not have been appropriate. Everything had to be real if Kahless were to appear. But all this was is nothing. He did not come to me. I gave Toq and the others a belief in Sto-Vo-Kor, the life which lies beyond this life where Kahless awaits us. When I saw the power of their beliefs I began to question the strength of my own. And I found it wanting.
PICARD: Have you lost your faith in Sto-Vo-Kor?
WORF: To lose something, one must first possess it. I am not sure I ever had a true belief. But I should not have allowed it to interfere with my duties. My behaviour has been
PICARD: Inexcusable. And understandable. It may be that what you are looking for cannot be found here on the Enterprise. Perhaps you need to immerse yourself in Klingon beliefs in order to discover whether they can hold any truths for you. Is there something you can do, is there somewhere you could go to explore your faith more fully?
WORF: Boreth. The Followers of Kahless await his return there. To Klingons, there is no more sacred place.
PICARD: Boreth is only twelve days from here by shuttle. As of this moment, Mister Worf, you are on leave.
WORF: Thank you, sir.
PICARD: But when you set foot on this ship again, I expect you to perform your duties like a Starfleet officer.
WORF: Yes, sir.
PICARD: And, Mister Worf? I hope you find what you're looking for.
WORF: Thank you, sir.
And so, them quoting it in earth years to Worf is a subtle "encouragement" to Worf to find the belief he is searching for; to rise to the challenge. A test he passes at the end of the episode. Frankly, anyone who claims what you do, has missed one of the moments of character development Worf had - this episode marks an important piece of Worf's journey to a full understanding of what it is to be Klingon at the spiritual level. And all you can do is reduce it to claiming that the Boreth monks, who job literally is to know things about Kahless, don't know what they are talking about.
And as for your claim none of them referred to the age of the sword:
KOR: He was honoured to join our quest. That is, if there's going to be a quest. What did you find?
DAX: I found both Klingon and Hur'q DNA on the cloth. And traces of metallic compounds that could only have been left by a Klingon bat'leth. A bat'leth fourteen hundred years old.
KOR: The time of Kahless! I never doubted it. When do we leave?
Note that this time I've bolded it, given you continually choose to be wilfully blind to this fact.
Ok, first of all, you've already been proven that you don't know what you are talking about. Or, you have lied about what the shows actually contained, and frankly, discussing Star Trek lore is going straight over your head as you continually pretend that things you don't like aren't there. Lore inaccuracies? You don't give a damn, you just call it contradictory and say the creators of the show got it wrong. Yet, for some reason, Cryptic can't make mistakes according to you. The hypocrisy stinks.
And in any event, the whole of this revolves around Cryptic making a lore inconsistency - by your own standard of proof, I have done this. You just choose blindness.
I note that you only see fit to partially address one of the two supporting points to the statement.
First off, the giving is directly unequal and weighted in favour of the Federation - far from supporting your position, you actually bring attention to one of the pieces of evidence against your claim.
Let's start by considering ships:
Tier 1:
Fed - 4 for standard Starfleet, and for TOS Starfleet - 2 prior to leaving 25th century, 5 afterwards.
KDF - 2
Rom - 2
Tier 2:
Fed - 7
KDF - 4
Rom - 2
Tier 3:
Fed - 9
KDF - 10
Rom - 2
Tier 4:
Fed - 7
KDF - 9
Rom - 4
Tier 5:
Fed - 75
KDF - 49
Rom - 36
Tier 6:
Fed - 77
KDF - 47
Rom - 48
This listing does not include cross-faction ships, but does include lockbox factional ships, including Tal Shiar adapted ships in the Romulan count. Straight away, we see Fed ships outnumber Klingon ships at almost 3 Fed for every 2 KDF (180:121). And the latter number drops massively once you start removing the ships which aren't Klingon, as specified in my original claim; that makes the numbers 168:97. (Romulans have just 6 other race ships, and even then it is technically 5 as 1 is a Reman refit of a Romulan ship)
And if you're defence is Romulans have it worse, while that is true, that is still not an acceptable defence.
Let's look at uniforms; 1 KDF uniform in the C-Store. Feds get 21.
let's look at missions, in which once you get outside of the faction arcs, all factions are rolled into doing the same missions and content, meaning in practice they only design for the Federation as the long term story is to roll everyone into the Federation.
This is now going way off topic, so I am going to summarise: Me and trygvar13, I presume, made our comments because on the basis of the shows, Cryptic has got it wrong so far - Kahless is not recorded fighting Hur'q in show-canon.
All Cryptic need to do?
In Victory Is Life, give some kind of account that means comments that Kahless fought Hur'q make sense - there is already justification from Hur'q DNA being on the shroud of the sword, as on balance of probabilities, either a Hur'q made a mistake transporting the weapon and cut themselves, or Kahless killed a Hur'q. Given the relatively unlikeliness of the first, and the STO-canon plausibility of the second - the Hur'q are known to have a link to the 2409-Fek'lhri, and so it is not unreasonable to portray the Hur'q as manipulating the Fek'lhri - the second makes for a far better plot-point.
That happens, and I'll concede the point about Kahless fighting Hur'q.
I am hoping that Cryptic is preparing Dominion equivalents of the T6 store vessels, so they are available to purchase immediately when the game goes live.
These are the two I want to buy, since I use their traits in all my ship builds:
It takes a fair bit of intensive playing to unlock these ship traits, so I prefer to start as soon as possible.
That way, I can go back to using my chosen ship faster.
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I am hoping that Cryptic is preparing Dominion equivalents of the T6 store vessels, so they are available to purchase immediately when the game goes live.
These are the two I want to buy, since I use their traits in all my ship builds:
It takes a fair bit of intensive playing to unlock these ship traits, so I prefer to start as soon as possible.
That way, I can go back to using my chosen ship faster.
One of the biggest issues that has been mentioned about a new faction is quite specifically the number of ships that cryptic would have to do in order to bring it up to the same level as what we currently have. I don't think they're going to make equivalents of every single ship just to appease people. Jem'hadar may get though their traits.
They should still get equivalents of the past anniversary bundle ships at the very least and take advantage of the fourth console set bonuses from the anniversary event ships, but not the T5 anniversary bundle ships.
I don't think they're going to make equivalents of every single ship just to appease people.
The ships I linked as an example aren't obscure isolated vessels, they come from the three ship bundles that are provided to every faction to provide specific gameplay features/abilities to every playable character: Romulan Pilot Ships Allied Pilot Escorts
Since these bundles are a primary source of income for Cryptic and it would cause player resentment if the Jem'Hadar faction did not get ship types/abilities that have been provided to every other faction, I don't think that these ships will not be provided.
They might not be provided immediately, but they should be on the priority list, to be made available soon after this update goes live.
The debate about Klingon history doesn't belong in this thread, it has no relevance to Victory is Life, the Gamma Quadrant or the Dominion.
So if it needs to be discussed, take it to another thread and stop derailing this one please.
And it looks like this subject is causing flaming, so that's another reason it should be dropped/taken elsewhere.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
The logical conclusion is that the Deep Space 9 writers didn't bother to do fact checking within their own show, and thus, got the numbers wrong.
We're talking about the production team that couldn't be bothered to get the sex of Data's cat right.
Also n.b. that supposedly the reason STO now refers to Earth being in the Beta quadrant -- as opposed to every single reference on TNG, DS9 and VGR putting it in the Alpha quadrant -- has to do with Official Lore. Not that STO's writers are any better at consistency, mind you.
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Brooks hasn't worked as an actor since 2006, and his mental instability is well known, nobody is hiring him, and that isn't likely to change.
When did you become a Prophet and counsellor azrael?
I'm a person with a brain capable of reading Brook's IMDB and aware that everyone and their mother knows this guy is off kilter so bad its a wonder he hasn't pulled a Jennifer Lien yet.
Person with a brain eh? Most know you should take what you read on the internet with a grain of salt too bub. IMDB has as much reliability as Wikipedia. He is a eccentric actor but that doesn't make him mentally ill. Bunch of rumors started on Trekcore after one clip from "The Captains" isn't reliable either. But thanks for imparting your ever growing wisdom.
"Great men are not peacemakers, Great men are conquerors!" - Captain Archer" "When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway #Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
Also n.b. that supposedly the reason STO now refers to Earth being in the Beta quadrant -- as opposed to every single reference on TNG, DS9 and VGR putting it in the Alpha quadrant -- has to do with Official Lore. Not that STO's writers are any better at consistency, mind you.
Actually, STO's team has said Earth is in the Alpha Quadrant, they just placed it in the Beta because maps shown in Voyager and one of the TNG movies placed it right on the border, as did the Star Charts, and they didn't want to confuse new players by making them have to transition from one quadrant to another so early in the same whenever they had to go back to Earth. Same reason they moved the Vega colony to the Beta Quadrant when the Star Charts placed it in the Alpha Quadrant.
Its also why the big in-game Alliance is called "The Alpha Quadrant Alliance" when almost all the allied powers are in the Beta Quadrant.
Yeah, most of TOS and TNG happened in the Beta Quadrant.
Yeah, most of TOS and TNG happened in the Beta Quadrant.
Yep, DS9 was the only show that really focused on the actual Alpha Quadrant.
It's weird when Janeway starts ranting about getting back to the Alpha Quadrant despite Earth being on the boarder of the Beta Quadrant and 99% of all Voyagers crew being from the Beta Quadrant. Also she never considered traveling to the nabouring Gamma Quadrant and using the Bajoran wormhole to return home.
It's weird when Janeway starts ranting about getting back to the Alpha Quadrant despite Earth being on the boarder of the Beta Quadrant and 99% of all Voyagers crew being from the Beta Quadrant. Also she never considered traveling to the nabouring Gamma Quadrant and using the Bajoran wormhole to return home.
From where she was dropped by the Caretaker, it would have been almost the same lengthy journey to reach the Gamma Quadrant end of the Wormhole as it would have been to just fly back to Earth directly.
But it would have been more interesting to see her go back through Dominion space, possibly starting a war between the Dominion and the Borg on her way. :P
Yeah, most of TOS and TNG happened in the Beta Quadrant.
Yep, DS9 was the only show that really focused on the actual Alpha Quadrant.
It's weird when Janeway starts ranting about getting back to the Alpha Quadrant despite Earth being on the boarder of the Beta Quadrant and 99% of all Voyagers crew being from the Beta Quadrant. Also she never considered traveling to the nabouring Gamma Quadrant and using the Bajoran wormhole to return home.
Didn't someone do the math and at high warp it would only have taken a few years to get home, not the 75+ mentioned in the show.
yeah, and if you do the math using TOS warp speeds, kirk could've gotten to the edge of the delta quadrant where ocampa is located, beat up every kazon sect in the area and been back in less than two weeks...and that's a generous estimate
warp scales and speeds from specific shows do not apply to any other show; in voyager, warp 9.975 (or whatever voyager's max was) takes 1 year to go 1K lightyears
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An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
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> @vegeta50024 said: > tilarta wrote: » > > I am hoping that Cryptic is preparing Dominion equivalents of the T6 store vessels, so they are available to purchase immediately when the game goes live. > These are the two I want to buy, since I use their traits in all my ship builds: > > > It takes a fair bit of intensive playing to unlock these ship traits, so I prefer to start as soon as possible. > That way, I can go back to using my chosen ship faster. > > > > > One of the biggest issues that has been mentioned about a new faction is quite specifically the number of ships that cryptic would have to do in order to bring it up to the same level as what we currently have. I don't think they're going to make equivalents of every single ship just to appease people. Jem'hadar may get though their traits.
Honestly it would likely be easier to just give the traits by themselves without a dominion version of the ship, like how because my feds have the Jupiter they allowed my KDF toons the ability to claim Insult to Injury trait for free without it being attached to a ship.
please please please add in playable cardassians, or at least their actual neck/nose/hair options that we see on NPCs!!!
While I want playable Cardassians BADLY, I am not willing to have them attached to a Jem'Hadar faction. They need their own story.
Personally, I'm very disappointed that they went with Jem'Hadar (not Dominion even, just their manufactured soldiers?) rather than a Cardassian faction. My excitement level for this expansion just sputtered out.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
please please please add in playable cardassians, or at least their actual neck/nose/hair options that we see on NPCs!!!
Seconded, can we please get playable Cardassian's.
I don't care if they are C-Store purchases for all factions or linked to the new Jem'Hadar faction. I know they can be created by the alien generator but all that takes is one randomise button press and your a god damn changeling looking like anything.
Agreed! However speaking of Changelings....
As much as I enjoy my Fed Tac toon with nearly 20 costume slot changes- each an alternate race and one sorta looks like a She-Odo... Can we please get Changelings playable? I could understand building a character from the ground up, but a novel option would be a quest arc in which -an existing character you have- can either discover or reveal under the right circumstances to old friends/allies that he/she has been a changeling helping out the goodguys all along.
*Down on knees praying to Devs- errr Prophets.
Looks good though all in all. Can't wait to play and watch the cut scenes. Yes I'm a cut scene watcher... Go ahead and tease me fellow players.
This will almost certainly mean that Sisko too will be part of the expansion, right? And if not him, then the Cardassian actors have to be part of it cause there's no way you could reach the number ten without them.
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-Martok
-Leeta
-Kurn
-Dukat(I mean, he didn't actually die, he was just tossed in the fire caves and presumed dead. He could have been absorbed by the Pah-Wraiths or w/e)
DS9 has a huge cast to draw from, larger then any other Trek show, and could easily lack involvement from any of the Siskos.
Well if the actor for Jake is available I could easily an older Jake- as he stayed at the station- Kira with a consoling hand on his shoulder as they both look out a station window- is the last scene.
Sisko Senior perished -at least physically. Prophet visions usually appear as people you yourself know and we don't even know if a retired older time theater mainly actor would give a "video game" the time of day- or be able to if he's super retired Who knows though... Ben as half human and half prophet (sorry spoiler) could break the mold of how Prophets appear before others since he has a sense of identity they may have lost eons ago- or not even care about.
They were all willing to do goofy things like the baseball episode so none of the DS9 cast strike me as being too snooty for "games" so it will all come down to availability, time, price and health. Looks like a lot of the cast so far are willing and able an not holdin' out for too much cash too boot since we have so many of them and still faces to reveal on the poster. They probably had a blast making it. I know it's all voice acting in booths, but maybe they had time for a mini reunion? Unless it was all different times/days.... Awe it probably was...
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I think we can make the Jem'hader that they are allied to both factions FED and KDF (and get choose free from console package) and are independent.
I don't want to see that you can only make the sector battlezone with your fleet because i was betrayed from all fleets and don't want to join another fleet any more....
I do PvE only with organized teams from the DPS-Channels.....and yes i will make a break from the game and hoping that the new expansion will be good ( it sounds good so far)
Well, it is true there is no token, but there is a free T6 ship:
Manticore Heavy Destroyer
Dinaes Warbird Destroyer
Acquisition of this ship is based on either having 1000 days veteran reward unlocked or being a lifetime subscriber.
So it would not be improbable that there is also a Dominion Destroyer made available upon release of this update.
Polaron Lotus, that would be interesting to see.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
On livestream said no T7 or T6U ships with this.
Wasn't that already known? Expect them in the future. Not with this expansion but more than likely by this time next year, if I had to guess.
Oh, I'm supposed to take lectures from someone, who when proven wrong, just claims DS9 writers - which ignores the fact I cited a TNG episode, not DS9 alone - didn't bother to do fact checking on their own show. Even within a single episode. Your logical conclusion? Totally useless rubbish. What possible good exactly can Cryptic use that assumption for? What me and trygvar13 were saying is that Cryptic have gotten their interpretation of DS9's information wrong. This matters, because Cryptic in their position as choosing to cover Klingon/Hur'q content, have got to have an interpretation of DS9 information that is not to assume the show didn't bother being coherent on things like this.
And then you go off complaining about my supposed headcanon, while proclaiming your own headcanon as true. At least mine lines up with facts, as 1.5 years for one planet -when what kind of star Qo'noS orbits is not even known- in it's star's habitable region is not out of the realms of possibility, and certainly not so dissimilar that it bears special mention for being out of sync. Which is an irrelevancy anyway, as this discussion is about the amount of time being quantified - did Kahless live and act 1000 earth years ago, or 1500 earth years ago? That is the important question, as this debate, until you dragged it off course, was about Cryptic's lining up with DS9 timeline, as they use the 1000 earth year count, whereas the sword of Kahless, which I'll repeat again is the only objectively dated thing in the whole discussion, dated to 1400 Federation-count years, meaning he must have been that time or older. Even if the Klingons did mythologise their own history, that is a fact established by Starfleet science, not Klingon history - not is the Year of Kahless year length the same as a earth year, which is what you maintain.
And as for the Boreth monks and how they would quote the Klingon count; there are two reasons why a real-Klingon would quote the earth year count to Worf. Worf was raised by humans, and he became a Starfleet officer, the first Klingon to do so. To the kind of culture that Klingon is, that is more than enough to besmirch him as some sort of sub-Klingon half-breed. Which means saying it in the earth year count is a massive insult to his honour as a Klingon, as it states plainly the commentor's belief Worf does not belong to the Klingons, and is a challenge to Worf to prove his worth, on the basis his being raised by Humans could be, and in his case was, taken to presume he did not understand Klingon culture.
Now, the monks at Boreth likely did not mean it totally like this, as they have a very good reason to quote it in earth years - Worf came precisely because he is questioning his identity as a Klingon:
PICARD: Mister Worf, your personal affairs are strictly your own concern until they interfere with the operation of this ship. You have now crossed that line. As your Captain, I want to know exactly what is going on.
WORF: It is difficult to explain.
PICARD: Try.
WORF: Ever since I returned from the Carraya system I have felt empty.
PICARD: Does this have something to do with the Klingons you rescued from Carraya Four?
WORF: They were young. They knew nothing of their heritage. So while I was there, I tried to teach them. Teach them about their people, their culture. I told them our ancient stories, instructed them in our customs, explained our beliefs. And then I told them about Kahless. How he united our people long ago. How he gave us strength and honour, and how he promised to return one day and lead us again.
PICARD: Is that what you're doing here? Trying to recapture those feelings?
WORF: Yes. I was trying to summon a vision of Kahless.
PICARD: It's a pity you didn't try using the holodeck instead of setting fire to your quarters.
WORF: Using the holodeck would not have been appropriate. Everything had to be real if Kahless were to appear. But all this was is nothing. He did not come to me. I gave Toq and the others a belief in Sto-Vo-Kor, the life which lies beyond this life where Kahless awaits us. When I saw the power of their beliefs I began to question the strength of my own. And I found it wanting.
PICARD: Have you lost your faith in Sto-Vo-Kor?
WORF: To lose something, one must first possess it. I am not sure I ever had a true belief. But I should not have allowed it to interfere with my duties. My behaviour has been
PICARD: Inexcusable. And understandable. It may be that what you are looking for cannot be found here on the Enterprise. Perhaps you need to immerse yourself in Klingon beliefs in order to discover whether they can hold any truths for you. Is there something you can do, is there somewhere you could go to explore your faith more fully?
WORF: Boreth. The Followers of Kahless await his return there. To Klingons, there is no more sacred place.
PICARD: Boreth is only twelve days from here by shuttle. As of this moment, Mister Worf, you are on leave.
WORF: Thank you, sir.
PICARD: But when you set foot on this ship again, I expect you to perform your duties like a Starfleet officer.
WORF: Yes, sir.
PICARD: And, Mister Worf? I hope you find what you're looking for.
WORF: Thank you, sir.
And so, them quoting it in earth years to Worf is a subtle "encouragement" to Worf to find the belief he is searching for; to rise to the challenge. A test he passes at the end of the episode. Frankly, anyone who claims what you do, has missed one of the moments of character development Worf had - this episode marks an important piece of Worf's journey to a full understanding of what it is to be Klingon at the spiritual level. And all you can do is reduce it to claiming that the Boreth monks, who job literally is to know things about Kahless, don't know what they are talking about.
And as for your claim none of them referred to the age of the sword:
KOR: He was honoured to join our quest. That is, if there's going to be a quest. What did you find?
DAX: I found both Klingon and Hur'q DNA on the cloth. And traces of metallic compounds that could only have been left by a Klingon bat'leth. A bat'leth fourteen hundred years old.
KOR: The time of Kahless! I never doubted it. When do we leave?
Note that this time I've bolded it, given you continually choose to be wilfully blind to this fact.
Ok, first of all, you've already been proven that you don't know what you are talking about. Or, you have lied about what the shows actually contained, and frankly, discussing Star Trek lore is going straight over your head as you continually pretend that things you don't like aren't there. Lore inaccuracies? You don't give a damn, you just call it contradictory and say the creators of the show got it wrong. Yet, for some reason, Cryptic can't make mistakes according to you. The hypocrisy stinks.
And in any event, the whole of this revolves around Cryptic making a lore inconsistency - by your own standard of proof, I have done this. You just choose blindness.
I note that you only see fit to partially address one of the two supporting points to the statement.
First off, the giving is directly unequal and weighted in favour of the Federation - far from supporting your position, you actually bring attention to one of the pieces of evidence against your claim.
Let's start by considering ships:
Tier 1:
Fed - 4 for standard Starfleet, and for TOS Starfleet - 2 prior to leaving 25th century, 5 afterwards.
KDF - 2
Rom - 2
Tier 2:
Fed - 7
KDF - 4
Rom - 2
Tier 3:
Fed - 9
KDF - 10
Rom - 2
Tier 4:
Fed - 7
KDF - 9
Rom - 4
Tier 5:
Fed - 75
KDF - 49
Rom - 36
Tier 6:
Fed - 77
KDF - 47
Rom - 48
This listing does not include cross-faction ships, but does include lockbox factional ships, including Tal Shiar adapted ships in the Romulan count. Straight away, we see Fed ships outnumber Klingon ships at almost 3 Fed for every 2 KDF (180:121). And the latter number drops massively once you start removing the ships which aren't Klingon, as specified in my original claim; that makes the numbers 168:97. (Romulans have just 6 other race ships, and even then it is technically 5 as 1 is a Reman refit of a Romulan ship)
And if you're defence is Romulans have it worse, while that is true, that is still not an acceptable defence.
Let's look at uniforms; 1 KDF uniform in the C-Store. Feds get 21.
let's look at missions, in which once you get outside of the faction arcs, all factions are rolled into doing the same missions and content, meaning in practice they only design for the Federation as the long term story is to roll everyone into the Federation.
This is now going way off topic, so I am going to summarise: Me and trygvar13, I presume, made our comments because on the basis of the shows, Cryptic has got it wrong so far - Kahless is not recorded fighting Hur'q in show-canon.
All Cryptic need to do?
In Victory Is Life, give some kind of account that means comments that Kahless fought Hur'q make sense - there is already justification from Hur'q DNA being on the shroud of the sword, as on balance of probabilities, either a Hur'q made a mistake transporting the weapon and cut themselves, or Kahless killed a Hur'q. Given the relatively unlikeliness of the first, and the STO-canon plausibility of the second - the Hur'q are known to have a link to the 2409-Fek'lhri, and so it is not unreasonable to portray the Hur'q as manipulating the Fek'lhri - the second makes for a far better plot-point.
That happens, and I'll concede the point about Kahless fighting Hur'q.
These are the two I want to buy, since I use their traits in all my ship builds:
It takes a fair bit of intensive playing to unlock these ship traits, so I prefer to start as soon as possible.
That way, I can go back to using my chosen ship faster.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
One of the biggest issues that has been mentioned about a new faction is quite specifically the number of ships that cryptic would have to do in order to bring it up to the same level as what we currently have. I don't think they're going to make equivalents of every single ship just to appease people. Jem'hadar may get though their traits.
The ships I linked as an example aren't obscure isolated vessels, they come from the three ship bundles that are provided to every faction to provide specific gameplay features/abilities to every playable character:
Romulan Pilot Ships
Allied Pilot Escorts
Since these bundles are a primary source of income for Cryptic and it would cause player resentment if the Jem'Hadar faction did not get ship types/abilities that have been provided to every other faction, I don't think that these ships will not be provided.
They might not be provided immediately, but they should be on the priority list, to be made available soon after this update goes live.
The debate about Klingon history doesn't belong in this thread, it has no relevance to Victory is Life, the Gamma Quadrant or the Dominion.
So if it needs to be discussed, take it to another thread and stop derailing this one please.
And it looks like this subject is causing flaming, so that's another reason it should be dropped/taken elsewhere.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
We're talking about the production team that couldn't be bothered to get the sex of Data's cat right.
Also n.b. that supposedly the reason STO now refers to Earth being in the Beta quadrant -- as opposed to every single reference on TNG, DS9 and VGR putting it in the Alpha quadrant -- has to do with Official Lore. Not that STO's writers are any better at consistency, mind you.
Person with a brain eh? Most know you should take what you read on the internet with a grain of salt too bub. IMDB has as much reliability as Wikipedia. He is a eccentric actor but that doesn't make him mentally ill. Bunch of rumors started on Trekcore after one clip from "The Captains" isn't reliable either. But thanks for imparting your ever growing wisdom.
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It's weird when Janeway starts ranting about getting back to the Alpha Quadrant despite Earth being on the boarder of the Beta Quadrant and 99% of all Voyagers crew being from the Beta Quadrant. Also she never considered traveling to the nabouring Gamma Quadrant and using the Bajoran wormhole to return home.
But it would have been more interesting to see her go back through Dominion space, possibly starting a war between the Dominion and the Borg on her way. :P
warp scales and speeds from specific shows do not apply to any other show; in voyager, warp 9.975 (or whatever voyager's max was) takes 1 year to go 1K lightyears
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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> These are the two I want to buy, since I use their traits in all my ship builds:
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> One of the biggest issues that has been mentioned about a new faction is quite specifically the number of ships that cryptic would have to do in order to bring it up to the same level as what we currently have. I don't think they're going to make equivalents of every single ship just to appease people. Jem'hadar may get though their traits.
Honestly it would likely be easier to just give the traits by themselves without a dominion version of the ship, like how because my feds have the Jupiter they allowed my KDF toons the ability to claim Insult to Injury trait for free without it being attached to a ship.
While I want playable Cardassians BADLY, I am not willing to have them attached to a Jem'Hadar faction. They need their own story.
Personally, I'm very disappointed that they went with Jem'Hadar (not Dominion even, just their manufactured soldiers?) rather than a Cardassian faction. My excitement level for this expansion just sputtered out.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Agreed! However speaking of Changelings....
As much as I enjoy my Fed Tac toon with nearly 20 costume slot changes- each an alternate race and one sorta looks like a She-Odo... Can we please get Changelings playable? I could understand building a character from the ground up, but a novel option would be a quest arc in which -an existing character you have- can either discover or reveal under the right circumstances to old friends/allies that he/she has been a changeling helping out the goodguys all along.
*Down on knees praying to Devs- errr Prophets.
Looks good though all in all. Can't wait to play and watch the cut scenes. Yes I'm a cut scene watcher... Go ahead and tease me fellow players.
Well if the actor for Jake is available I could easily an older Jake- as he stayed at the station- Kira with a consoling hand on his shoulder as they both look out a station window- is the last scene.
Sisko Senior perished -at least physically. Prophet visions usually appear as people you yourself know and we don't even know if a retired older time theater mainly actor would give a "video game" the time of day- or be able to if he's super retired
They were all willing to do goofy things like the baseball episode so none of the DS9 cast strike me as being too snooty for "games" so it will all come down to availability, time, price and health. Looks like a lot of the cast so far are willing and able an not holdin' out for too much cash too boot since we have so many of them and still faces to reveal on the poster. They probably had a blast making it. I know it's all voice acting in booths, but maybe they had time for a mini reunion?
Oh well.
Giant stingray of space... Love it!