Personally I'd like a Hawking class. Tier 6 Nova please? Yes I am that lame.
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I have to disagree with you there...while i do agree that he wasnt necessarily a better person....we are all human and flawed by nature...he has contributed far more to humanity and the betterment of the human race than an actor. The reason he was in a sttng episode was to acknowledge his contribution so it is fitting to continue that theme in a memorial aspect.
I mean no distespect to actors...i just dont think their contributions to the race can be held in the same league as scientists and such.
In that case Leonard Nimoy's Spock shouldn't of been given a statue on Vulcan to commemorate the man for what he did on Trek. He was an actor through his entire life and yet he was just as important as Stephen Hawking. Don't tell me some actors are more important than others either because that would fall under the category of discrimination, and to me they were all important in their roles in life as they were in Trek.
Should Stephen Hawking get a place on the memorial board? Honestly no, because as others pointed out, he was just a guest actor and i haven't seen Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein on STO be commemorated for their works in science before.
Now if there was a seperate section on ESD that commemorated famous scientists who contributed to Humanity reaching the stars and Stephen Hawking had a place there alongside the greats, then it would fit.
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I have to disagree with you there...while i do agree that he wasnt necessarily a better person....we are all human and flawed by nature...he has contributed far more to humanity and the betterment of the human race than an actor. The reason he was in a sttng episode was to acknowledge his contribution so it is fitting to continue that theme in a memorial aspect.
I mean no distespect to actors...i just dont think their contributions to the race can be held in the same league as scientists and such.
In that case Leonard Nimoy's Spock shouldn't of been given a statue on Vulcan to commemorate the man for what he did on Trek. He was an actor through his entire life and yet he was just as important as Stephen Hawking. Don't tell me some actors are more important than others either because that would fall under the category of discrimination, and to me they were all important in their roles in life as they were in Trek.
Should Stephen Hawking get a place on the memorial board? Honestly no, because as others pointed out, he was just a guest actor and i haven't seen Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein on STO be commemorated for their works in science before.
It wasn't the real Isaac Newton or the real Albert Einstein that acted in that episode. It was the real Stephen Hawking, however.
I could see it either way.
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OK, I fully support adding him to the memorial and I also would like to see a new T6 ship I fully support a T6 Nova class or another new Federation science ship named Hawking Class.
I have a the T6 voyager now and had named it Stephen Hawking way back when I got it so having a class hip named for him would be a great idea
There is some precedent in canon: Galileo Galilei was a VERY important scientist for his time. He only rated a shuttle craft named after him. Mr. Hawkings at best rates the same treatment.
Somebody pointed out to me on Reddit that given the amount of warfare we commit to on a regular basis (pretty sure we kill nearly everything we meet) it maybe wouldn't be appropriate to name a ship class after him.
Not sure how else we could give him a nod in a game where we predominately sit around in starships though.
He should get a nod. As he even got me reading up on physics, which really isn't my thing. Biology is but not physics.
There is some precedent in canon: Galileo Galilei was a VERY important scientist for his time. He only rated a shuttle craft named after him. Mr. Hawkings at best rates the same treatment.
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On the other hand, the Wells temporal ship class exists to honor a man who was just writer of fiction (unless you believe Time After Time was fact ) so a Hawking class would make sense too.
Despite great personal suffering, the man dedicated his life to increasing our understanding of the universe and to improving the human condition. With respect to others who have passed, Hawking not only appeared in Star Trek but also embodied the ideals that made Star Trek great. I support the idea of him being added to the in-game memorial, but even more so, the idea of a Hawking-class science ship.
i`m very glad i read thru both pages of comments.
i found this one to be what i feel personally.
if Sto decides to name a virtual ship class after him,i think that would be very Respectful indeed.
please make it a Worthy one.
Hawking class: thinking about it, it should either be a true Science ship or possibly full Science carrier like the Breen (with commander science) and a master trait that buffs Gravity Well somehow like by adding a Hawking Radiation effect - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation
My vote is: No. My logic is: Stephen Hawking guest-starred in a single episode, while the man is an icon for science, there have been many other guest-stars in episodes that have also died and their careers were also bright but in acting. If Stephen Hawking is to be added to the memorials in Star Trek Online then many more deserve the same right, unless the implication is to show that Stephen Hawking is--for some reason--better and greater than them.
like Mark Leonard.. don't think he is on the memorial
I guess as a guest actor he could deserve a spot on the contact dialog for the memorial. I think more would be going a bit too far.
Maybe the T6 Nova variant could be called Hawking. (Any excuse to get a Tier 6 Nova is good, but this might be better. He even has a lose connection to Novas, since some Novas (or Supernovas) lead to black holes, one of his research topics.)
Would not mind this at all. It honors his name, and legacy and gives people something they've wanted for years, a t6 Nova.
My vote is: No. My logic is: Stephen Hawking guest-starred in a single episode, while the man is an icon for science, there have been many other guest-stars in episodes that have also died and their careers were also bright but in acting. If Stephen Hawking is to be added to the memorials in Star Trek Online then many more deserve the same right, unless the implication is to show that Stephen Hawking is--for some reason--better and greater than them.
like Mark Leonard.. don't think he is on the memorial
There is some precedent in canon: Galileo Galilei was a VERY important scientist for his time. He only rated a shuttle craft named after him. Mr. Hawkings at best rates the same treatment.
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On the other hand, the Wells temporal ship class exists to honor a man who was just writer of fiction (unless you believe Time After Time was fact ) so a Hawking class would make sense too.
Thank you for your input, I stand by my post. A shuttle bearing his name (not the class of shuttle) is the best Mr. Hawkings can hope for. Well, we could name a turbo shaft after him I guess....
> @mirrorchaos said: > lordbeefy7 wrote: » > > I have to disagree with you there...while i do agree that he wasnt necessarily a better person....we are all human and flawed by nature...he has contributed far more to humanity and the betterment of the human race than an actor. The reason he was in a sttng episode was to acknowledge his contribution so it is fitting to continue that theme in a memorial aspect. > > I mean no distespect to actors...i just dont think their contributions to the race can be held in the same league as scientists and such. > > > > > In that case Leonard Nimoy's Spock shouldn't of been given a statue on Vulcan to commemorate the man for what he did on Trek. He was an actor through his entire life and yet he was just as important as Stephen Hawking. Don't tell me some actors are more important than others either because that would fall under the category of discrimination, and to me they were all important in their roles in life as they were in Trek. > > Should Stephen Hawking get a place on the memorial board? Honestly no, because as others pointed out, he was just a guest actor and i haven't seen Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein on STO be commemorated for their works in science before. > > Now if there was a seperate section on ESD that commemorated famous scientists who contributed to Humanity reaching the stars and Stephen Hawking had a place there alongside the greats, then it would fit.
Without wanting to get into a forum war i would say that you are comparing apples with pears.
Leonard Nimoy was given a memorial to acknowledge his contribution to the role of spock and to star trek in general...not becuse he was an actor....similarly the suggestion was to commemorate Hawkings contributions to science and the spirit of exploration and human spirit that Rodenberry created in star trek....not hecause he had a small cameo once....if we did that can you imagine the memorials to all the poor redshirts!
I wouldt seek a james dean or Marilyn Munroe memorial.
He just did a cameo for a few seconds as a hologram playing poker. Has nothing to do with the hundreds of other stories , episodes and arcs of Star Trek. The actual characters(and creator of course) are what people remember and care about. These are the people who deserve their name on the plaque.
But as an influential scientist of our time, I do like the idea of naming a ship or even a base after him.
Without wanting to get into a forum war i would say that you are comparing apples with pears.
Leonard Nimoy was given a memorial to acknowledge his contribution to the role of spock and to star trek in general...not becuse he was an actor....similarly the suggestion was to commemorate Hawkings contributions to science and the spirit of exploration and human spirit that Rodenberry created in star trek....not hecause he had a small cameo once....if we did that can you imagine the memorials to all the poor redshirts!
I wouldt seek a james dean or Marilyn Munroe memorial.
My tuppence worth.
Apples and pears indeed and you still haven't answered my point.
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Should Stephen Hawking get a place on the memorial board? Honestly no, because as others pointed out, he was just a guest actor and i haven't seen Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein on STO be commemorated for their works in science before.
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Hawking was a great man. But, a small cameo aside, he shouldn't be commemorated in STO. I know saying this will enrage a lot of people, but those names on a commemoration plaque in STO should be reserved for those who materially impacted Trek, and not 'Hawking was about Science, Trek is about Science, therefore Hawking should be commemorated in STO.' Just no. If they do that, it detracts from everyone already on those plaques who really *did* contribute to Star Trek in a major fashion. 'Think about it, Shepard.'
I don't really have a strong opinion on this. Add him or not, I don't mind either way.
Though I do think that there isn't that much reason to add Mr. Hawking to the memorial. His role in Star Trek was very minor and while he has made important contributions to science (while also serving as a rolemodel for some people probably) I don't see why that is a reason to add him to a memorial in a computer game, even when that computer game is a SciFi game.
It's not like his theories and his scientific work, as far as I know, were very important for the Trek universe and the explanation of how things work, in-universe (forgive me the pun).
In that sense, it would be more logical to add people like Werner Heisenberg because his scientific work is acknowledged and taken into account in the Trek universe.
So I'm going to say 'no'; they don't need to add Mr. Hawking to the memorial, unless they want to alter a decision they previously made and add all actors with minor acting roles to it - cause that is really the only criterion that matters right now. IMHO.
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In that case Leonard Nimoy's Spock shouldn't of been given a statue on Vulcan to commemorate the man for what he did on Trek. He was an actor through his entire life and yet he was just as important as Stephen Hawking. Don't tell me some actors are more important than others either because that would fall under the category of discrimination, and to me they were all important in their roles in life as they were in Trek.
Should Stephen Hawking get a place on the memorial board? Honestly no, because as others pointed out, he was just a guest actor and i haven't seen Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein on STO be commemorated for their works in science before.
Now if there was a seperate section on ESD that commemorated famous scientists who contributed to Humanity reaching the stars and Stephen Hawking had a place there alongside the greats, then it would fit.
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I could see it either way.
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These are both great ideas.
I have a the T6 voyager now and had named it Stephen Hawking way back when I got it so having a class hip named for him would be a great idea
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Not sure how else we could give him a nod in a game where we predominately sit around in starships though.
He should get a nod. As he even got me reading up on physics, which really isn't my thing. Biology is but not physics.
On the other hand, the Wells temporal ship class exists to honor a man who was just writer of fiction (unless you believe Time After Time was fact
i`m very glad i read thru both pages of comments.
i found this one to be what i feel personally.
if Sto decides to name a virtual ship class after him,i think that would be very Respectful indeed.
please make it a Worthy one.
Would not mind this at all. It honors his name, and legacy and gives people something they've wanted for years, a t6 Nova.
Mark Lenard is on the plaque just checked
Thank you for your input, I stand by my post. A shuttle bearing his name (not the class of shuttle) is the best Mr. Hawkings can hope for. Well, we could name a turbo shaft after him I guess....
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> I have to disagree with you there...while i do agree that he wasnt necessarily a better person....we are all human and flawed by nature...he has contributed far more to humanity and the betterment of the human race than an actor. The reason he was in a sttng episode was to acknowledge his contribution so it is fitting to continue that theme in a memorial aspect.
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> I mean no distespect to actors...i just dont think their contributions to the race can be held in the same league as scientists and such.
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> In that case Leonard Nimoy's Spock shouldn't of been given a statue on Vulcan to commemorate the man for what he did on Trek. He was an actor through his entire life and yet he was just as important as Stephen Hawking. Don't tell me some actors are more important than others either because that would fall under the category of discrimination, and to me they were all important in their roles in life as they were in Trek.
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> Should Stephen Hawking get a place on the memorial board? Honestly no, because as others pointed out, he was just a guest actor and i haven't seen Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein on STO be commemorated for their works in science before.
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> Now if there was a seperate section on ESD that commemorated famous scientists who contributed to Humanity reaching the stars and Stephen Hawking had a place there alongside the greats, then it would fit.
Without wanting to get into a forum war i would say that you are comparing apples with pears.
Leonard Nimoy was given a memorial to acknowledge his contribution to the role of spock and to star trek in general...not becuse he was an actor....similarly the suggestion was to commemorate Hawkings contributions to science and the spirit of exploration and human spirit that Rodenberry created in star trek....not hecause he had a small cameo once....if we did that can you imagine the memorials to all the poor redshirts!
I wouldt seek a james dean or Marilyn Munroe memorial.
My tuppence worth.
I do think it would be nice on esd to have the various shuttle, ship mobs named after scientific greats; and the Hawking class science ship too
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But as an influential scientist of our time, I do like the idea of naming a ship or even a base after him.
Apples and pears indeed and you still haven't answered my point.
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^^ Precisely this!
Hawking was a great man. But, a small cameo aside, he shouldn't be commemorated in STO. I know saying this will enrage a lot of people, but those names on a commemoration plaque in STO should be reserved for those who materially impacted Trek, and not 'Hawking was about Science, Trek is about Science, therefore Hawking should be commemorated in STO.' Just no. If they do that, it detracts from everyone already on those plaques who really *did* contribute to Star Trek in a major fashion. 'Think about it, Shepard.'
Though I do think that there isn't that much reason to add Mr. Hawking to the memorial. His role in Star Trek was very minor and while he has made important contributions to science (while also serving as a rolemodel for some people probably) I don't see why that is a reason to add him to a memorial in a computer game, even when that computer game is a SciFi game.
It's not like his theories and his scientific work, as far as I know, were very important for the Trek universe and the explanation of how things work, in-universe (forgive me the pun).
In that sense, it would be more logical to add people like Werner Heisenberg because his scientific work is acknowledged and taken into account in the Trek universe.
So I'm going to say 'no'; they don't need to add Mr. Hawking to the memorial, unless they want to alter a decision they previously made and add all actors with minor acting roles to it - cause that is really the only criterion that matters right now. IMHO.