If they put the TRIBBLE Connie in the C-Store, I'd buy it. It's closer to the real thing than the JJprise is, after all.
Aye, I'd probably get it too. But then, Constitution lovers might actually get to use it if they did that. Making things people actually want easily accessible is an STO no-no.
There's a reason why the old carrot is on the end of a stick. If what people want is easily obtained then they have little reason to pay for it.
What I'd like to see is the Discovery Connie added to the Lobi Store, and a new STO era ship with the Connie shape added to the C-Store. I'd then like to see the following:
Each variant should have different spec seating
C-Store variant should have 4x4 weapons layout instead of 5x3
Powerful console set to encourage obtaining all three Prime ships
T2 appearances available to all Prime variants
Owning the Promo box Connie unlocks the TOS era parts for all Prime variants
Owning the Disco Connie unlocks it's parts for all Prime variants
Owning the C-Store variant unlocks it's parts for all Prime variants
Owning the JJPrise unlocks scaled-down versions of it's parts for all Prime variants
If they put the TRIBBLE Connie in the C-Store, I'd buy it. It's closer to the real thing than the JJprise is, after all.
Aye, I'd probably get it too. But then, Constitution lovers might actually get to use it if they did that. Making things people actually want easily accessible is an STO no-no.
There's a reason why the old carrot is on the end of a stick. If what people want is easily obtained then they have little reason to pay for it.
What I'd like to see is the Discovery Connie added to the Lobi Store, and a new STO era ship with the Connie shape added to the C-Store. I'd then like to see the following:
Each variant should have different spec seating
C-Store variant should have 4x4 weapons layout instead of 5x3
Powerful console set to encourage obtaining all three Prime ships
T2 appearances available to all Prime variants
Owning the Promo box Connie unlocks the TOS era parts for all Prime variants
Owning the Disco Connie unlocks it's parts for all Prime variants
Owning the C-Store variant unlocks it's parts for all Prime variants
Owning the JJPrise unlocks scaled-down versions of it's parts for all Prime variants
Its not a terrible idea, but the problem is that they have already given those skins to people who own the Connie for free. So you got one of two options; either you remove the free skins and require people to pay for content they already own or you allow those skins to remain free for those who already own them but force those unfortunate enough to not recieve the skins before the policy is implemented to have to pay extra so to speak in order to aquire the skins others recieved for free. Either way you are **** some of the consumer base. Its a good idea, but should have implemented before the release of the vessels.
Making the TOS skin exclusive to the promo ship is meant to keep that variant highly desirable. Other than that one skin, I clearly said that all currently existing appearances should be available for all variants free of charge ...
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I think fakemirage summed this up with a post on another topic (see here, page 8, post 5). There's no reason for anyone to actually be complaining other than the mere sake of having the ability to complain about seemingly, nothing.
That's, that's not the same thing though. It's reasonable to assume they are both refits of the original (which I hope was what was being said in that Tweet), and in that case they are indeed the same ship. But the Enterprise getting refit in TMP was part of the plot, not an absurd notion. Change has to have a reason behind it that is in-universe. That's part of good story telling. Cause and Effect. If the change is small enough, like the uniforms from TMP to TWoK, then it can be overlooked. But changes that are so many and so frequent need addressing or credibility is lost. Other shows and films get away with a kind of "drop you into the world" storytelling that doesn't address any specifics because they are still setting up their universes. Star Trek's universe has been set up for more than fifty years now. These things can't go unquestioned.
I'm sorry. If it's a refit, fine. If the tech needs to be phased out, fine. Just explain it. Don't make so many changes to something that has such a long and established history and expect to be accepted. That's absurd. If Star Wars can be visually consistent with it's prequels than so can Star Trek.
It took forty years until Enterprise answered the Klingon ridges question. I sincerely hope they get around to answering the questions Discovery is bringing up before another forty go by. I won't bash Discovery, there's no point in it, but I will ask questions that I feel need to be addressed for it to fit into the larger universe of Star Trek with the least amount of resistance. I want to share Star Trek in all it's forms with my children and if I'm lucky with their children. I want new shows to crop up over the years and to point up at the screen and say "That's cool! Look at that!" not "Why did they change that?"
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Its possible that the ship is testing new technology or is utilizing tech for a specific or variety of mission parameters we arent privy too.
Starfleet would not be the first military or organization to alter ships or equipment for a mission or task.
People who can't accept change or feel that the "vision of Saint Roddenberry" is being violated.
Short version: Purists.
If they had their way... Anything that take place around TOS MUST, without question, look like it was done with a low budget in the 1960s with every single detail EXACTLY the same as it was in TOS, right down to the jellybean buttons.
Listen its a fine line between being puritanical and being consistent. A large part of why I like setting new stories in the Kelvin Timeline is because of the freedom it allows for storytelling and style.
Here is the rub. If you are going to set a series in the timeline of the original series you better be damn sure it is true to those asthetics and established history. Discovery does nothing of the sort and that is why people are upset. No one got all pissy when the TOS episodes were updated with didgital effects because it did not affect the story. Discovery's attempts to "modernize" the style of the period do mess with the story much in the same why that Lucas' many revisions to his Star Wars films screwed with the story.
TOS was imagined with the use of technology relevant and understandable to those watching it at the time. Discovery has been imagined using technology relevant and understandable to a new generation of fans. Discovery is not for TOS fans, its not for general Star Trek fans. Its attempting to bridge the gap between the new Star Trek films and the shows for new fans that have not been exposed to Star Trek prior to 2009. Its unlikely that any of these new fans are going to look at TOS as equal to or better than Discovery or JJTrek. New fans would be absolutely confused and turned off by TOS setting technology.
If they put the TRIBBLE Connie in the C-Store, I'd buy it. It's closer to the real thing than the JJprise is, after all.
Aye, I'd probably get it too. But then, Constitution lovers might actually get to use it if they did that. Making things people actually want easily accessible is an STO no-no.
There's a reason why the old carrot is on the end of a stick. If what people want is easily obtained then they have little reason to pay for it.
What I'd like to see is the Discovery Connie added to the Lobi Store, and a new STO era ship with the Connie shape added to the C-Store. I'd then like to see the following:
Each variant should have different spec seating
C-Store variant should have 4x4 weapons layout instead of 5x3
Powerful console set to encourage obtaining all three Prime ships
T2 appearances available to all Prime variants
Owning the Promo box Connie unlocks the TOS era parts for all Prime variants
Owning the Disco Connie unlocks it's parts for all Prime variants
Owning the C-Store variant unlocks it's parts for all Prime variants
Owning the JJPrise unlocks scaled-down versions of it's parts for all Prime variants
Its not a terrible idea, but the problem is that they have already given those skins to people who own the Connie for free. So you got one of two options; either you remove the free skins and require people to pay for content they already own or you allow those skins to remain free for those who already own them but force those unfortunate enough to not recieve the skins before the policy is implemented to have to pay extra so to speak in order to aquire the skins others recieved for free. Either way you are **** some of the consumer base. Its a good idea, but should have implemented before the release of the vessels.
Making the TOS skin exclusive to the promo ship is meant to keep that variant highly desirable. Other than that one skin, I clearly said that all currently existing appearances should be available for all variants free of charge ...
Even if you locked only the TOS skin behind that paywall then what would you do with all the people who already own the T1 TOS and T6 TOS?
... the T1 TOS wouldn't unlock it, but the people who've already spent the money to get the T6 promo Connie would have access to it because they've already paid ... I'm not understanding the problem your trying to suggest
Had they of used the TOS Constitution, and (if) they use TOS interfaces, weapons and sets in Discovery's Season 2, it'll just look out of place, especially when the crew of Discovery are using touchscreen rather than buttons. I guess a lot of it comes down to personal preference.
... Visually consistent =/= 100% identical. The lighting, amount of bloom, upping the brightness of the external lights, and extra detail in the hull plates of a TOS Constitution would negate how "out of place" it might look.
Like this:
To me, even this would look out of place with DSC.
Weapons can be the same as Discovery's (both personal and ship) since this is 3 years after "The Cage" and the Enterprise didn't fire a shot on screen until "The Corbomite Maneuver." As for buttons/touchscreen, the farthest you could go without providing an explanation would be to mix the two like Enterprise did.
Except we already know that the Constitution Class doesn't have touchscreen. It's all buttons and flippers over there.
At the end of the day, Discovery, even though it's a prequel show, is also a modern show; it's going to look shinier, and I'm more than satisfied with that. I genuinely don't think I'd have stuck with it had it been as tacky looking as TOS - just so that it would otherwise satisfy a few people that can't move with the times.
You know, more than anything those last five words really make me angry. It's dismissive and insulting. It's what politicians say. It's what historical revisionists say. We as Star Trek fans of any caliber should be above that.
We as fans of science fiction should also allow for change.
I want Discovery to be accepted into the larger Star Trek universe, but I also don't want TOS to be rewritten, overwritten, or at worst erased. I'm afraid for it. I fear the comicbook syndrome that's permeated other media, where reboots almost for the sake of rebooting are more common than ever. It's irrational and possibly unfounded, but fear often is.
TOS isn't being rewrote; it still happened, it just took place in a different generation (from our perspective). If Trek is still going in another 50 years, there's a good chance that TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and even DSC will look obsolete by comparison.
There's nothing wrong with a reboot either, assuming it does well and doesn't take away from the original source material. This doesn't mean designs can't be changed and brought up to date; look at the Cylons from BSG. There was nothing wrong with them, but they were modernised and worked perfectly well. The exact same is being applied to the Constitution.
I want to remind the person behind that twittard post that the Enterprise was stripped down to her superstructure and rebuilt into an entirely new class of vessel. So different that Kirk nearly blew the ship up from ignorace of major systems.
You sure about that? Doesn't seem very feasible; surely it's cheaper and more productive to just build a new friggin' ship?
It's in the dialog of the film, flash, and was a major plot point through the first half. We're sure.
As true as that may be, it would be illogical to do so. This wouldn't be the first time something has been said, read, or seen on Trek that shouldn't be taken literally - not unless we're suddenly supposed to believe that the Refit Constitution has, what, 74 decks?
I guess you missed a few crucial episodes of the relaunch along with Blood and Chrome. The relaunch happens several decades AFTER the TOS BSG and the old cylons are in it near the end.
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Actually... nBSG is not a continuation of TOS BSG. Its a full on reboot. in the TOS one the Cylons weren't built by humans. Also apparently the Colonial-Cylon War lasted the equivelent of several centuries.
nBSG the Cylons were created by humans and they rebelled. The First Cylon War ended with an armistice, which was broken 40 years later. Also Starbuck and Boomer were women. If we go by BSG Deadlock (a strategy game) the TOS Battlestar is known as the Artemis class Light Battlestar, which is supposedly less powerful than the brand new Jupiter class, which the Galactica is a member of.
Although IMO the Artemis class is actually superior to the Jupiter in a 1v1 in terms of mobility.
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I’ve been very critical about the things I’ve disliked about TRIBBLE, and there have been many of them. In a few instances, like the phaser and communicator and tricorder designs, they have absolutely nailed an update with more details and improved quality while retaining the lines and spirit of the original. This Enterprise hits that target.
In fact, in a lot of ways this design incorporates the improvements made for the TMP refit (which is the best looking ship in Trek history and one of the very best in all of sci-fi) and looks better than the original. She’s beautiful, to be honest.
The one thing I really hate is the dull grey-silver hull material and the generally dark way the filming is done. It’s a good model, let us see it! Brighten up the hull material to a more pearly white like she should be and film with a decent light level and this model should really shine.
Yep, Enough dark and let's have some light for a change. ~grabs a mop and bucket~ Gotta de-grime that hull.
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I honestly don't mind the gunmetal grey hull. Most ships, Enterprise era and post TOS, are generally grey to some degree. The only time Fed ships were stark white was in TOS. And in the Kelvin Timeline there's only one ship that is white, and that was Enterprise.
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I honestly don't mind the gunmetal grey hull. Most ships, Enterprise era and post TOS, are generally grey to some degree. The only time Fed ships were stark white was in TOS. And in the Kelvin Timeline there's only one ship that is white, and that was Enterprise.
I'd be interested in knowing why the appearance of the material used in the construction of Starfleet ships changed so much from era to era. Was it a change in construction material that Starfleet used in it's ships? Or a purely cosmetic change due to the era? I'm going to assume there was at least some material change, as I'm pretty sure the hull of a Galaxy class starship is tougher than that of a Constitution class starship.
I prefer the grey color, the white hull and straight pylons were the two main reasons I always hated, HATED the TOS era Connie. Let's be honest though, no matter how Cryptic adds this ship they definitely will allow you to use the TOS hull material.
I prefer the grey color, the white hull... main reason... I always hated, HATED the TOS era Connie.
Ironic for somebody with the Type 0 material on their NX Class .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Ironic for somebody with the Type 0 material on their NX Class .
I don't actually have my in-game ship looking like that, just did it one time for the screenshot for my signature cause the white hull seemed to fit better with the Pennywise theme I was going for
In-game I'm still using the NX-02 material and have the ship named Faith of Heart (Faith of the Heart is too long ...)
If they put the TRIBBLE Connie in the C-Store, I'd buy it. It's closer to the real thing than the JJprise is, after all.
Aye, I'd probably get it too. But then, Constitution lovers might actually get to use it if they did that. Making things people actually want easily accessible is an STO no-no.
There's a reason why the old carrot is on the end of a stick. If what people want is easily obtained then they have little reason to pay for it.
What I'd like to see is the Discovery Connie added to the Lobi Store, and a new STO era ship with the Connie shape added to the C-Store. I'd then like to see the following:
Each variant should have different spec seating
C-Store variant should have 4x4 weapons layout instead of 5x3
Powerful console set to encourage obtaining all three Prime ships
T2 appearances available to all Prime variants
Owning the Promo box Connie unlocks the TOS era parts for all Prime variants
Owning the Disco Connie unlocks it's parts for all Prime variants
Owning the C-Store variant unlocks it's parts for all Prime variants
Owning the JJPrise unlocks scaled-down versions of it's parts for all Prime variants
Its not a terrible idea, but the problem is that they have already given those skins to people who own the Connie for free. So you got one of two options; either you remove the free skins and require people to pay for content they already own or you allow those skins to remain free for those who already own them but force those unfortunate enough to not recieve the skins before the policy is implemented to have to pay extra so to speak in order to aquire the skins others recieved for free. Either way you are **** some of the consumer base. Its a good idea, but should have implemented before the release of the vessels.
Making the TOS skin exclusive to the promo ship is meant to keep that variant highly desirable. Other than that one skin, I clearly said that all currently existing appearances should be available for all variants free of charge ...
Even if you locked only the TOS skin behind that paywall then what would you do with all the people who already own the T1 TOS and T6 TOS?
... the T1 TOS wouldn't unlock it, but the people who've already spent the money to get the T6 promo Connie would have access to it because they've already paid ... I'm not understanding the problem your trying to suggest
Ok listen. There are people that already have access to this skin because they own the T1 connie. Are you going to **** those people by taking away that skin that they already own and lock it behind a paywall?
There is currently only one T6 Connie, the one that already comes with the TOS parts. The T1 has always been a novelty item to be used during the first few levels, why should it unlock the TOS parts for additional, hypothetical T6 variants? Let's be clear, no matter what either of us wants if any additional T6 variants are ever released they almost certainly will not come with the TOS parts by default, unless those variants are promo ships just like the current one.
I honestly don't mind the gunmetal grey hull. Most ships, Enterprise era and post TOS, are generally grey to some degree. The only time Fed ships were stark white was in TOS. And in the Kelvin Timeline there's only one ship that is white, and that was Enterprise.
I'd be interested in knowing why the appearance of the material used in the construction of Starfleet ships changed so much from era to era. Was it a change in construction material that Starfleet used in it's ships? Or a purely cosmetic change due to the era? I'm going to assume there was at least some material change, as I'm pretty sure the hull of a Galaxy class starship is tougher than that of a Constitution class starship.
Made of the same stuff, a connie and a galaxy. I think both are as strong.
The strength of the hull would depend mostly on the Structural Integrity Field rather than the material alone, so the one that can put the most power into the SIF would likely be able to take the most damage.
The different hull appearance over the eras is probably more cosmetic preferences than due to different construction materials, Starfleet is noticably more visually-oriented than most other Trek Navies.
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Also... in TOS pretty much everyone had white or grey ships. It wasn't until ST3 that we saw something green.
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Well... getting the canon gripe out of the way, that it's been redesigned in that way just firmly establishes that this is NOT the canon timeline of ENT-TOS-TNG/DS9/Voy.
Incorrect it is the exact same timeline. This is confirmed by all official sources.
And canon means it contains events that happened i.e. any Star Trek production on film or television. There's only one ST canon and it includes every series and film from TOS to the KT. Even if DSC was a different timeline it would still be the exact same canon as every other TV show or film.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I guess you missed a few crucial episodes of the relaunch along with Blood and Chrome. The relaunch happens several decades AFTER the TOS BSG and the old cylons are in it near the end.
Actually... nBSG is not a continuation of TOS BSG. Its a full on reboot. in the TOS one the Cylons weren't built by humans. Also apparently the Colonial-Cylon War lasted the equivelent of several centuries.
nBSG the Cylons were created by humans and they rebelled. The First Cylon War ended with an armistice, which was broken 40 years later. Also Starbuck and Boomer were women.
Semantics. My point is that a show, whether it's based on something that came before as a prequel or sequel is going to need to look modern if it intends to attract (and retain) a following. The simple truth is (I'd think) that as much as a TOS Constitution may have actually worked in that scene, and as much as TOS uniforms and sets may work in S2, such things are only going to please a minority.
Casual Trek fans aren't going to care all that much about subtle changes, and new fans to the franchise aren't going to stick around if it looks like something from the 60's. It's generally only a small minority of people that get worked up on things not looking as they should - and why should they? To please people that cannot accept a little change? Trek is moving forward; modern technology, culture and society is going to influence that. Expecting a TOS Constitution and buttons with big lights on the bridge is, I think, ignorant of the bigger picture.
It was obvious even by the time '2001: A Space Odyssey' rolled out in the late 60s that the 'tech' presented in TOS was already outdated on the screen.
Analog flip timers anyone?
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Semantics. My point is that a show, whether it's based on something that came before as a prequel or sequel is going to need to look modern if it intends to attract (and retain) a following. The simple truth is (I'd think) that as much as a TOS Constitution may have actually worked in that scene, and as much as TOS uniforms and sets may work in S2, such things are only going to please a minority.
Casual Trek fans aren't going to care all that much about subtle changes, and new fans to the franchise aren't going to stick around if it looks like something from the 60's. It's generally only a small minority of people that get worked up on things not looking as they should - and why should they? To please people that cannot accept a little change? Trek is moving forward; modern technology, culture and society is going to influence that. Expecting a TOS Constitution and buttons with big lights on the bridge is, I think, ignorant of the bigger picture.
On that I agree. Times change, and so do the expectations of what is advanced and what isn't. I mean we have tablets that make the clipboard PADDs in TOS look bad right now! Hell... my iPAD has more in common with a TNG era PADD than the TOS one.
If you want a show to be successful and attract new people... don't just cater to a small set of pre-existing fans. Star Wars can get away with it because A: Their not EARTH human tech users. B: Its a different galaxy. C: Frankly Star Wars tech hasn't changed much in god knows how long. I mean if we take into acount the tech seen in Knights of the Old Republic... the only area we actually see any kind of improvement is actually Droids. Outside of that the Ebon Hawk in her prime would work perfectly fine flying alongside the Falcon shooting down TIEs!
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Well... getting the canon gripe out of the way, that it's been redesigned in that way just firmly establishes that this is NOT the canon timeline of ENT-TOS-TNG/DS9/Voy.
Have you not heard of a retcon before? That's what this redesign is, and it's fantastic. I just hope the Klingon redesign doesn't also become a retcon, cause that is just stupid and hideous.
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What I'd like to see is the Discovery Connie added to the Lobi Store, and a new STO era ship with the Connie shape added to the C-Store. I'd then like to see the following:
Each variant should have different spec seating
C-Store variant should have 4x4 weapons layout instead of 5x3
Powerful console set to encourage obtaining all three Prime ships
T2 appearances available to all Prime variants
Owning the Promo box Connie unlocks the TOS era parts for all Prime variants
Owning the Disco Connie unlocks it's parts for all Prime variants
Owning the C-Store variant unlocks it's parts for all Prime variants
Owning the JJPrise unlocks scaled-down versions of it's parts for all Prime variants
Making the TOS skin exclusive to the promo ship is meant to keep that variant highly desirable. Other than that one skin, I clearly said that all currently existing appearances should be available for all variants free of charge ...
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Its possible that the ship is testing new technology or is utilizing tech for a specific or variety of mission parameters we arent privy too.
Starfleet would not be the first military or organization to alter ships or equipment for a mission or task.
TOS was imagined with the use of technology relevant and understandable to those watching it at the time. Discovery has been imagined using technology relevant and understandable to a new generation of fans. Discovery is not for TOS fans, its not for general Star Trek fans. Its attempting to bridge the gap between the new Star Trek films and the shows for new fans that have not been exposed to Star Trek prior to 2009. Its unlikely that any of these new fans are going to look at TOS as equal to or better than Discovery or JJTrek. New fans would be absolutely confused and turned off by TOS setting technology.
... the T1 TOS wouldn't unlock it, but the people who've already spent the money to get the T6 promo Connie would have access to it because they've already paid ... I'm not understanding the problem your trying to suggest
I guess you missed a few crucial episodes of the relaunch along with Blood and Chrome. The relaunch happens several decades AFTER the TOS BSG and the old cylons are in it near the end.
nBSG the Cylons were created by humans and they rebelled. The First Cylon War ended with an armistice, which was broken 40 years later. Also Starbuck and Boomer were women. If we go by BSG Deadlock (a strategy game) the TOS Battlestar is known as the Artemis class Light Battlestar, which is supposedly less powerful than the brand new Jupiter class, which the Galactica is a member of.
Although IMO the Artemis class is actually superior to the Jupiter in a 1v1 in terms of mobility.
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Yep, Enough dark and let's have some light for a change. ~grabs a mop and bucket~ Gotta de-grime that hull.
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I'd be interested in knowing why the appearance of the material used in the construction of Starfleet ships changed so much from era to era. Was it a change in construction material that Starfleet used in it's ships? Or a purely cosmetic change due to the era? I'm going to assume there was at least some material change, as I'm pretty sure the hull of a Galaxy class starship is tougher than that of a Constitution class starship.
Ironic for somebody with the Type 0 material on their NX Class
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I gotta say, it probably does look a bit better with a coat of paint
I don't actually have my in-game ship looking like that, just did it one time for the screenshot for my signature cause the white hull seemed to fit better with the Pennywise theme I was going for
In-game I'm still using the NX-02 material and have the ship named Faith of Heart (Faith of the Heart is too long ...)
There is currently only one T6 Connie, the one that already comes with the TOS parts. The T1 has always been a novelty item to be used during the first few levels, why should it unlock the TOS parts for additional, hypothetical T6 variants? Let's be clear, no matter what either of us wants if any additional T6 variants are ever released they almost certainly will not come with the TOS parts by default, unless those variants are promo ships just like the current one.
Made of the same stuff, a connie and a galaxy. I think both are as strong.
The different hull appearance over the eras is probably more cosmetic preferences than due to different construction materials, Starfleet is noticably more visually-oriented than most other Trek Navies.
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Incorrect it is the exact same timeline. This is confirmed by all official sources.
And canon means it contains events that happened i.e. any Star Trek production on film or television. There's only one ST canon and it includes every series and film from TOS to the KT. Even if DSC was a different timeline it would still be the exact same canon as every other TV show or film.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Casual Trek fans aren't going to care all that much about subtle changes, and new fans to the franchise aren't going to stick around if it looks like something from the 60's. It's generally only a small minority of people that get worked up on things not looking as they should - and why should they? To please people that cannot accept a little change? Trek is moving forward; modern technology, culture and society is going to influence that. Expecting a TOS Constitution and buttons with big lights on the bridge is, I think, ignorant of the bigger picture.
Analog flip timers anyone?
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
On that I agree. Times change, and so do the expectations of what is advanced and what isn't. I mean we have tablets that make the clipboard PADDs in TOS look bad right now! Hell... my iPAD has more in common with a TNG era PADD than the TOS one.
If you want a show to be successful and attract new people... don't just cater to a small set of pre-existing fans. Star Wars can get away with it because A: Their not EARTH human tech users. B: Its a different galaxy. C: Frankly Star Wars tech hasn't changed much in god knows how long. I mean if we take into acount the tech seen in Knights of the Old Republic... the only area we actually see any kind of improvement is actually Droids. Outside of that the Ebon Hawk in her prime would work perfectly fine flying alongside the Falcon shooting down TIEs!
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Have you not heard of a retcon before? That's what this redesign is, and it's fantastic. I just hope the Klingon redesign doesn't also become a retcon, cause that is just stupid and hideous.