Stopping you right there. Liking the Kelvin Timeline doesn't make anyone any less of a Trek fan.
I think you're forgetting something that was introduced in Star Trek. IDIC. So please stop trying to beat people over the head with the "True Fan" shtick. If you don't like it, that is your opinion. Not a measuring stick for franchise loyalty.
And if Klingons weren't "cannibals" then why did Kang, Kor, and Koloth, eath another Klingon's heart after beating him in battle?
May have been adapted from some Earth hunting cultures where eating the heart of your kill instills the strength of that animal into the hunter. *shrug*
we still don't know that the albino was a klingon because that was never established - unless something in discovery did so
Well... I think The Albino may have been Klingon. Discovery did kinda establish that Klingons seem to look down on albinos as less than Klingon. I mean look how Voq was treated. Like he was dirt.
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If they put the TRIBBLE Connie in the C-Store, I'd buy it. It's closer to the real thing than the JJprise is, after all.
They better put the TOS T-6 in there as well or there will be much grief poured unto the Devs considering the fiasco the TOS T-6 ships release was.
What "fiasco" are you talking about? Although they haven't said it, I have absolutely no doubt that the T6 connie was the all time greatest money-maker this game has ever had. Just because some people were whining about it on the forums doesn't actually matter if they are making money hand over first.
And on that note, of course they won't be putting it in the C-store when they can make people gamble for it. They also know other people will just spend a couple hundred in zen to buy keys to sell for EC to buy the ship from other players, which means they will still be getting a couple hundred bucks for a ship. They aren't going to pass up on that money.
Have you seen the TRIBBLE version of the D-7?? I doubt fans of the K't'inga/D-7 will want that
There hasn't been a D7 shown on Discovery yet, so I don't know quite what you're on about.
One episode had a "D7" appear, that snagged the shuttle, but it looked anything BUT a D7. It looks more like one of the Romulan miracle worker ships. |>_>\;;
Go on then. What's a D7 Prison ship supposed to look like? I eagerly await your canon source for this previously unseen ship type.
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LMAO Sorry LOYAL Trekkies ignore KT as it is a alt universe and non canonical to the TV and numerous TOS based films. These include TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT/TRIBBLE. KT is it's own thing and has it's own canon which is fine but to be 100% honest has more then enough of it in this game. Seriously look at whats in the works Tarentino Trek so when that happens are we going to get that here as well? I hope not as the enitre Trek universe is starting to be like the Marvel Universe a mixed bag that can be just god awful.
There's one canon it includes all films and TV shows.
The whole planet Organia. But if you can't answer the simple question then don't deflect, just say so. You don't have a clue what a D7 Prison Ship is supposed to look like.
The Star Trek: Discovery The Official Starships Collection gives a complete list of all Federation and Klingon ships (other than shuttles and fighters) from the show. Now I don't see the words 'K't'inga Class' there. Meaning the evidence of onscreen dialogue and the official position suggests the D7 Prison Ship is a different class.
It's never even been suggested 'D' is a Klingon designation in the first place.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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The Discovery take on the Constitution was the one good part of that episode. I fully expect it to be added to the existing Promo Constitutions at some point. I also hope that the JJprise gets an in-game update to include the new JJprise-A look seen in "Beyond."
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
The Discovery take on the Constitution was the one good part of that episode. I fully expect it to be added to the existing Promo Constitutions at some point. I also hope that the JJprise gets an in-game update to include the new JJprise-A look seen in "Beyond."
Both would be great!
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An option they could release is Kronos One from The Undiscovered Country... It doesn’t fit the current lockbox “theme” but it could be released individually.
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As our esteemed friend @mustrumridcully0 once said, it's sad that the hallmark of a 'real Star Trek fan' seems to now be their ability and authority to declare others to not be Star Trek fans based on the kind of Star Trek material they enjoy.
Man, I could not agree more.
Unfortunately, the Kelvin Timeline Movies and the Discovery show have really shined a light on what a huge bunch of cry babies Trek fans really are. I get it, not everyone will like every series.. and that's totally cool.. but man.. the judgment that they cast on those of differing opinions is just insane.
I for one no longer call myself a Trek Fan, I'm just a guy that likes Star Trek. The last thing I want is to be associated with such an entitled and whiny fan base. Like what you like.. enjoy what you want and let others do the same. You would think this would be a fundamental principal of people that like such a diverse show as Star Trek, but apparently the bulk of the 'fan base' missed the point entirely.
> @seaofsorrows said: > reyan01 wrote: » > > As our esteemed friend @mustrumridcully0 once said, it's sad that the hallmark of a 'real Star Trek fan' seems to now be their ability and authority to declare others to not be Star Trek fans based on the kind of Star Trek material they enjoy. > > > > > Man, I could not agree more. > > Unfortunately, the Kelvin Timeline Movies and the Discovery show have really shined a light on what a huge bunch of cry babies Trek fans really are. I get it, not everyone will like every series.. and that's totally cool.. but man.. the judgment that they cast on those of differing opinions is just insane. > > I for one no longer call myself a Trek Fan, I'm just a guy that likes Star Trek. The last thing I want is to be associated with such an entitled and whiny fan base. Like what you like.. enjoy what you want and let others do the same. You would think this would be a fundamental principal of people that like such a diverse show as Star Trek, but apparently the bulk of the 'fan base' missed the point entirely.
As our esteemed friend @mustrumridcully0 once said, it's sad that the hallmark of a 'real Star Trek fan' seems to now be their ability and authority to declare others to not be Star Trek fans based on the kind of Star Trek material they enjoy.
Man, I could not agree more.
Unfortunately, the Kelvin Timeline Movies and the Discovery show have really shined a light on what a huge bunch of cry babies Trek fans really are. I get it, not everyone will like every series.. and that's totally cool.. but man.. the judgment that they cast on those of differing opinions is just insane.
I for one no longer call myself a Trek Fan, I'm just a guy that likes Star Trek. The last thing I want is to be associated with such an entitled and whiny fan base. Like what you like.. enjoy what you want and let others do the same. You would think this would be a fundamental principal of people that like such a diverse show as Star Trek, but apparently the bulk of the 'fan base' missed the point entirely.
That is indeed sad. But just remember that you both, as well as others, are living proof that not all fans are like that. The internet has an unfortunate tendency to give the least civil members of any group some of the largest megaphones with which to voice their grievances, no matter how petty they may be. It took me a long time before I could get past the existence of the Kelvin timeline and I had a lot of the same problems with it as those 'purists' among us, I just needed to take a step back and look at it from a different perspective. Discovery will have a harder time of that as they've been telling us this is Prime timeline. But I'm getting away from the topic at hand.
The Enterprise from the finale, I tend to like. I've a little problem with the nacelle struts, but the change in aesthetic I've got down to this being what I call a "War-Time Refit." I'd have no problem with this version appearing in STO, but I'd rather it be C-Store than anything else, though that may be a vain hope.
I wasn't talking about the Albino, I was talking about T'nag. He told the story of him, Koloth, and Kor, beating T'nag's army, and then eating his heart, in the episode where they go and recover the sword of Kahless.
Klingon's are known all too well for exaggerating their stories, so it's quite plausible that the heart of their Klingon enemy wasn't actually eaten.
Even if it was though, the entire Klingon culture isn't going to reform to one set of rules. That would be like expecting every Human to be a Vegan, Vegetarian, Cannibal or Omnivore.
Unfortunately, the Kelvin Timeline Movies and the Discovery show have really shined a light on what a huge bunch of cry babies Trek fans really are. I get it, not everyone will like every series.. and that's totally cool.. but man.. the judgment that they cast on those of differing opinions is just insane.
I for one no longer call myself a Trek Fan, I'm just a guy that likes Star Trek. The last thing I want is to be associated with such an entitled and whiny fan base. Like what you like.. enjoy what you want and let others do the same. You would think this would be a fundamental principal of people that like such a diverse show as Star Trek, but apparently the bulk of the 'fan base' missed the point entirely.
That is indeed sad. But just remember that you both, as well as others, are living proof that not all fans are like that. The internet has an unfortunate tendency to give the least civil members of any group some of the largest megaphones with which to voice their grievances, no matter how petty they may be. It took me a long time before I could get past the existence of the Kelvin timeline and I had a lot of the same problems with it as those 'purists' among us, I just needed to take a step back and look at it from a different perspective. Discovery will have a harder time of that as they've been telling us this is Prime timeline. But I'm getting away from the topic at hand.
I think fakemirage summed this up with a post on another topic (see here, page 8, post 5). There's no reason for anyone to actually be complaining other than the mere sake of having the ability to complain about seemingly, nothing.
I think fakemirage summed this up with a post on another topic (see here, page 8, post 5). There's no reason for anyone to actually be complaining other than the mere sake of having the ability to complain about seemingly, nothing.
That's, that's not the same thing though. It's reasonable to assume they are both refits of the original (which I hope was what was being said in that Tweet), and in that case they are indeed the same ship. But the Enterprise getting refit in TMP was part of the plot, not an absurd notion. Change has to have a reason behind it that is in-universe. That's part of good story telling. Cause and Effect. If the change is small enough, like the uniforms from TMP to TWoK, then it can be overlooked. But changes that are so many and so frequent need addressing or credibility is lost. Other shows and films get away with a kind of "drop you into the world" storytelling that doesn't address any specifics because they are still setting up their universes. Star Trek's universe has been set up for more than fifty years now. These things can't go unquestioned.
I'm sorry. If it's a refit, fine. If the tech needs to be phased out, fine. Just explain it. Don't make so many changes to something that has such a long and established history and expect to be accepted. That's absurd. If Star Wars can be visually consistent with it's prequels than so can Star Trek.
It took forty years until Enterprise answered the Klingon ridges question. I sincerely hope they get around to answering the questions Discovery is bringing up before another forty go by. I won't bash Discovery, there's no point in it, but I will ask questions that I feel need to be addressed for it to fit into the larger universe of Star Trek with the least amount of resistance. I want to share Star Trek in all it's forms with my children and if I'm lucky with their children. I want new shows to crop up over the years and to point up at the screen and say "That's cool! Look at that!" not "Why did they change that?"
I'm sorry. If it's a refit, fine. If the tech needs to be phased out, fine. Just explain it. Don't make so many changes to something that has such a long and established history and expect to be accepted. That's absurd. If Star Wars can be visually consistent with it's prequels than so can Star Trek.
Star Wars has a very different theme, and attracts a different core audience (that's why there are Trek fans and Wars fans; the hardcore of both generally prefer one over the other. Casual fans, like myself, don't get caught up in ... semantics.
Had they of used the TOS Constitution, and (if) they use TOS interfaces, weapons and sets in Discovery's Season 2, it'll just look out of place, especially when the crew of Discovery are using touchscreen rather than buttons. I guess a lot of it comes down to personal preference. At the end of the day, Discovery, even though it's a prequel show, is also a modern show; it's going to look shinier, and I'm more than satisfied with that. I genuinely don't think I'd have stuck with it had it been as tacky looking as TOS - just so that it would otherwise satisfy a few people that can't move with the times.
I think fakemirage summed this up with a post on another topic (see here, page 8, post 5). There's no reason for anyone to actually be complaining other than the mere sake of having the ability to complain about seemingly, nothing.
That's, that's not the same thing though. It's reasonable to assume they are both refits of the original (which I hope was what was being said in that Tweet), and in that case they are indeed the same ship. But the Enterprise getting refit in TMP was part of the plot, not an absurd notion. Change has to have a reason behind it that is in-universe. That's part of good story telling. Cause and Effect. If the change is small enough, like the uniforms from TMP to TWoK, then it can be overlooked. But changes that are so many and so frequent need addressing or credibility is lost. Other shows and films get away with a kind of "drop you into the world" storytelling that doesn't address any specifics because they are still setting up their universes. Star Trek's universe has been set up for more than fifty years now. These things can't go unquestioned.
I'm sorry. If it's a refit, fine. If the tech needs to be phased out, fine. Just explain it. Don't make so many changes to something that has such a long and established history and expect to be accepted. That's absurd. If Star Wars can be visually consistent with it's prequels than so can Star Trek.
It took forty years until Enterprise answered the Klingon ridges question. I sincerely hope they get around to answering the questions Discovery is bringing up before another forty go by. I won't bash Discovery, there's no point in it, but I will ask questions that I feel need to be addressed for it to fit into the larger universe of Star Trek with the least amount of resistance. I want to share Star Trek in all it's forms with my children and if I'm lucky with their children. I want new shows to crop up over the years and to point up at the screen and say "That's cool! Look at that!" not "Why did they change that?"
I want to remind the person behind that twittard post that the Enterprise was stripped down to her superstructure and rebuilt into an entirely new class of vessel. So different that Kirk nearly blew the ship up from ignorace of major systems
I want to remind the person behind that twittard post that the Enterprise was stripped down to her superstructure and rebuilt into an entirely new class of vessel. So different that Kirk nearly blew the ship up from ignorace of major systems
Amazes me how some people can just ignore logic to try and prove their point lol...yeah because a rebuild of a ship decades in the future is the exact same thing as changing it in the present.
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If the change is small enough, like the uniforms from TMP to TWoK, then it can be overlooked.
Also, another thing about this change is that it made the uniforms better for everyone, both in and out of universe. Let's face it, the TMP uniform looked like impractical and bland pajamas compared to the more practical and prettier TWoK ones that really looked like uniforms.
So it was practically a NECESSARY change to make things better.
The out-of-universe original intent was to have bland outfits so viewers would focus on the facial expressions of the crew. But we all know how sooooo intense the facial expressions of everyone were in this movie and it pretty much backfired.
I think roddenberry just had a pajama fetish, he went right back to em for TNG
they looked fine to me. it's the Khan uniforms I never liked....too military for my tastes, and dress uniform at that.
I like the TOS/TMP/TNG stuff fine, because they don't look like something from the army or navy.
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The enlisted uniforms used in WoK to TUC were recolored TMP uniforms. They actually looked BETTER than they did in the TMP (not)colors.
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I want to remind the person behind that twittard post that the Enterprise was stripped down to her superstructure and rebuilt into an entirely new class of vessel. So different that Kirk nearly blew the ship up from ignorace of major systems
Amazes me how some people can just ignore logic to try and prove their point lol...yeah because a rebuild of a ship decades in the future is the exact same thing as changing it in the present.
Is it? One read on that post is that he finds it amazing that people accept that the TMP Enterprise as beign the same ship at all.
I mean seriously, Mr. Scott said they basically dismantled the whole thing and built a new ship.
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Stopping you right there. Liking the Kelvin Timeline doesn't make anyone any less of a Trek fan.
I think you're forgetting something that was introduced in Star Trek. IDIC. So please stop trying to beat people over the head with the "True Fan" shtick. If you don't like it, that is your opinion. Not a measuring stick for franchise loyalty.
May have been adapted from some Earth hunting cultures where eating the heart of your kill instills the strength of that animal into the hunter. *shrug*
Well... I think The Albino may have been Klingon. Discovery did kinda establish that Klingons seem to look down on albinos as less than Klingon. I mean look how Voq was treated. Like he was dirt.
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What "fiasco" are you talking about? Although they haven't said it, I have absolutely no doubt that the T6 connie was the all time greatest money-maker this game has ever had. Just because some people were whining about it on the forums doesn't actually matter if they are making money hand over first.
And on that note, of course they won't be putting it in the C-store when they can make people gamble for it. They also know other people will just spend a couple hundred in zen to buy keys to sell for EC to buy the ship from other players, which means they will still be getting a couple hundred bucks for a ship. They aren't going to pass up on that money.
Since when do they take prisoners?
Yep. TY's did a better version.
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So would say someone that has that ship!
But everyone else would say: One would hope it wouldn't just be another skin for the space-rich STO players.
There's one canon it includes all films and TV shows.
The whole planet Organia. But if you can't answer the simple question then don't deflect, just say so. You don't have a clue what a D7 Prison Ship is supposed to look like.
The Star Trek: Discovery The Official Starships Collection gives a complete list of all Federation and Klingon ships (other than shuttles and fighters) from the show. Now I don't see the words 'K't'inga Class' there. Meaning the evidence of onscreen dialogue and the official position suggests the D7 Prison Ship is a different class.
It's never even been suggested 'D' is a Klingon designation in the first place.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Man, I could not agree more.
Unfortunately, the Kelvin Timeline Movies and the Discovery show have really shined a light on what a huge bunch of cry babies Trek fans really are. I get it, not everyone will like every series.. and that's totally cool.. but man.. the judgment that they cast on those of differing opinions is just insane.
I for one no longer call myself a Trek Fan, I'm just a guy that likes Star Trek. The last thing I want is to be associated with such an entitled and whiny fan base. Like what you like.. enjoy what you want and let others do the same. You would think this would be a fundamental principal of people that like such a diverse show as Star Trek, but apparently the bulk of the 'fan base' missed the point entirely.
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> Unfortunately, the Kelvin Timeline Movies and the Discovery show have really shined a light on what a huge bunch of cry babies Trek fans really are. I get it, not everyone will like every series.. and that's totally cool.. but man.. the judgment that they cast on those of differing opinions is just insane.
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> I for one no longer call myself a Trek Fan, I'm just a guy that likes Star Trek. The last thing I want is to be associated with such an entitled and whiny fan base. Like what you like.. enjoy what you want and let others do the same. You would think this would be a fundamental principal of people that like such a diverse show as Star Trek, but apparently the bulk of the 'fan base' missed the point entirely.
Totally agree with ya
That is indeed sad. But just remember that you both, as well as others, are living proof that not all fans are like that. The internet has an unfortunate tendency to give the least civil members of any group some of the largest megaphones with which to voice their grievances, no matter how petty they may be. It took me a long time before I could get past the existence of the Kelvin timeline and I had a lot of the same problems with it as those 'purists' among us, I just needed to take a step back and look at it from a different perspective. Discovery will have a harder time of that as they've been telling us this is Prime timeline. But I'm getting away from the topic at hand.
The Enterprise from the finale, I tend to like. I've a little problem with the nacelle struts, but the change in aesthetic I've got down to this being what I call a "War-Time Refit." I'd have no problem with this version appearing in STO, but I'd rather it be C-Store than anything else, though that may be a vain hope.
Klingon's are known all too well for exaggerating their stories, so it's quite plausible that the heart of their Klingon enemy wasn't actually eaten.
Even if it was though, the entire Klingon culture isn't going to reform to one set of rules. That would be like expecting every Human to be a Vegan, Vegetarian, Cannibal or Omnivore.
I would no doubt surprise you then to know that I don't own a single Lock Box, Lobi, or Promotional ship.
I'm sorry. If it's a refit, fine. If the tech needs to be phased out, fine. Just explain it. Don't make so many changes to something that has such a long and established history and expect to be accepted. That's absurd. If Star Wars can be visually consistent with it's prequels than so can Star Trek.
It took forty years until Enterprise answered the Klingon ridges question. I sincerely hope they get around to answering the questions Discovery is bringing up before another forty go by. I won't bash Discovery, there's no point in it, but I will ask questions that I feel need to be addressed for it to fit into the larger universe of Star Trek with the least amount of resistance. I want to share Star Trek in all it's forms with my children and if I'm lucky with their children. I want new shows to crop up over the years and to point up at the screen and say "That's cool! Look at that!" not "Why did they change that?"
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Dude, it's the Enterprise. Somebody changes the shape of a nacelle and you go apeshit
Had they of used the TOS Constitution, and (if) they use TOS interfaces, weapons and sets in Discovery's Season 2, it'll just look out of place, especially when the crew of Discovery are using touchscreen rather than buttons. I guess a lot of it comes down to personal preference. At the end of the day, Discovery, even though it's a prequel show, is also a modern show; it's going to look shinier, and I'm more than satisfied with that. I genuinely don't think I'd have stuck with it had it been as tacky looking as TOS - just so that it would otherwise satisfy a few people that can't move with the times.
I can handle the engine pods, it's the pylons that make me go, "eh? o.o"
Amazes me how some people can just ignore logic to try and prove their point lol...yeah because a rebuild of a ship decades in the future is the exact same thing as changing it in the present.
So it was practically a NECESSARY change to make things better.
The out-of-universe original intent was to have bland outfits so viewers would focus on the facial expressions of the crew. But we all know how sooooo intense the facial expressions of everyone were in this movie and it pretty much backfired.
they looked fine to me. it's the Khan uniforms I never liked....too military for my tastes, and dress uniform at that.
I like the TOS/TMP/TNG stuff fine, because they don't look like something from the army or navy.
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I mean seriously, Mr. Scott said they basically dismantled the whole thing and built a new ship.
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