All that will happen, is Cryptic will have to remove the chance aspect from gamble boxes and put all the items in the Lobi store.
They will still be way over priced for what they are (Like everything in the Lobi store). but at least you can then open boxes for the Lobi and get/save up for exactly what you want.
Well, Disney didn't completely stop EA regarding the lootboxes and the horrible progression in Battlefront. They just had the micro-transactions put on hold until The Last Jedi is released and brings the bulk of the money, because they don't want the bad publicity of BFII to taint the movie's hype.
You can be sure that once the initial backlash dies out, they'll put the stuff back slightly improved and by the time countries finally settled with something regarding the lootboxes, BFII will be considered obsolete by EA.
Lockboxes are not a necessity to STO, but microtransactions are. Everything in the Lockbox could be thrown into the C-Store and maybe it will generate more income based on the price of the items. The less something costs, the more people will buy it. Just imagine how many Tier 6 Constitutions would be sold if it cost 5000 Zen.
Apparently it is okay to have children commit vitual genocide of thousands of innocents but we cannot allow them to gamble. Cuz gambling is EBIL but photonic murder isn't.
It's not a question of good or evil or even morality at all.
Its about the harmful addictive properties of gambling being a matter of well documented medical fact.
Killing pixels is completely harmless, gambling addiction on the other hand can and does destroy lives.
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I am not against legislation about lockboxes, but forbidding them entirely will probably destroy quite a few fun games that people used to enjoy. Like STO.
For example, giving a mandatory percentage chance for specific lockbox contents - that might discourage a few people from playing the lockbox game, but I think not that many.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
STO will be fine. You are opening the boxes to get Lobi which is a 100 percent drop. The rest is a gift. Back when these things were introduced this discussion was rampant. So to get around the gambling aspect the lobi was put in every box. That is what your paying for with opening lockboxes Nothing else.
Apparently it is okay to have children commit vitual genocide of thousands of innocents but we cannot allow them to gamble. Cuz gambling is EBIL but photonic murder isn't.
It's not a question of good or evil or even morality at all.
Its about the harmful addictive properties of gambling being a matter of well documented medical fact.
Killing pixels is completely harmless, gambling addiction on the other hand can and does destroy lives.
So does smoking 4 packs a day. Or drinking 6 liters of soda a day. Or eating 3 bag of chips day. Or eating wheat. You know bread...the thing that most of western culture eats everyday. Yeah that destroys lives. That has been tied to so many things that kills you that it ain't funny. So what, we ban EVERYTHING just because it could be bad for you if you have poor impulse control? You do realize that WATER for somebody who has really bad impulse control can kill you...right? So lets ban water.
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid." - Q
lockbox = buy 5 lobi cystals for such and such zen and have a chance at bonus rewards. Not gambling as you get what you paid for so no reclassification needed.
Also, if the lockboxes come under strict new laws, all that PWE would have to do is give the lobi store a bit more love and replace the "get a chance to get awesome prizes like badass T6 ships from lockboxes, also a few guaranteed lobi crystals as compensation, whatever, not important" by "get up to 50 lobi crystals! Also, you can get other stuff like T6 ships, whatever, not important compared to guaranteed lobis".
Well, Disney didn't completely stop EA regarding the lootboxes and the horrible progression in Battlefront. They just had the micro-transactions put on hold until The Last Jedi is released and brings the bulk of the money, because they don't want the bad publicity of BFII to taint the movie's hype.
You can be sure that once the initial backlash dies out, they'll put the stuff back slightly improved and by the time countries finally settled with something regarding the lootboxes, BFII will be considered obsolete by EA.
It's actually a really beautiful SW game I must say. Kind of a shame some might miss out on it because of negative metacritic reviews by a wretched hive of circle-jerking pitchfork totting bandwagon haters.
A real shame.
Progression isn't as bad as the "Reddit Outrage Mob" would like you to believe.
I played a few hours of multiplayer with a friend the other night and had earned enough credits to buy 3 of the locked heroes.
Played through the campaign (which I enjoyed quite a lot), with the credits I earned there I can buy another 2 or 3 locked heroes.
So I really don't see where people are getting the poor progression argument from. (Actually I do know-Social media circle-Jerks hyping up the issue to fit their narrative).
It's no where near as grim as some of these people are claiming. Anyone who's actually played the game knows that for themselves.
The SW/EA social media controversy is only going to help ticket sales for The Last Jedi. Everyone is looking squarely at SW right now, good or bad, you can't buy advertisement that is this far reaching. And with TLJ just around the corner, this is an unexpected boon to their advertisement campaign.
If the movie is not complete garbage, you'll have a lot of the fence sitters jump into game with Christmas discounts on the horizon. Plus you have to consider that this game has already sold millions of copies in preorders alone. Add to that, it's the only "new" SW game in town for the forseeable future... It only looks good for both the movie and game going forward.
EA has said they won't re introduce the lootcrates until they've been adjusted with the communities concerns in mind. Now, normally I wouldn't trust much of anything that EA says, but with Disney breathing down their neck (and threatening to pull the SW license from EA), there is no way in hell they'll come back without major changes that will be palatable for the majority of the community.
Of course, not everyone will agree on the new lootcrate system (no matter what they do), and you can't please everyone, especially zealot level social media circle-jerks (who haven't even played the game for themselves), but the majority of gamers will swallow them so long as they're not nearly as predatory.
Some of the rumors so far indicate that they're going to go the cosmetic route, and rework the boxes and star card progression.
BUT it's wait and see, and you may be right about them slipping them back in with little change, we'll have to watch this as it unfolds.. But honestly, that would be the stupidest thing EA could do, and another controversy like they had last week about lootcrates will surely lose them the Big Fat Star Wars licence.
In STO's case, they have plenty of time to plan for future legislation.
But my guess is PWE will simply pull the plug on STO if lockboxes/lootcrates are deemed illegal.
Either that or they'll have to rework their pay structure and put everything in the lobi store/C-Store. Or some other similar solution.
As of right now, STO is on life support as far as new content and development is concerned. Their development team is tiny, and nowhere near the size of something like BF2's team.
And if it's too much effort/money to rework the sales structure, prepare for STO 's sunset. PWE won't invest into a game that's already near it's expiration date in terms of player population, and activity.
Probably will turn lockboxing into lobi farming with some tokens to some areas that would drop lobi under specific conditions. They'll manage it in a highly elegant manner.
I’ll be glad when these predatory gamble boxes go the way of the dinosaurs, and not the Voth, I mean extinct, to the point that everything is obtainable at face value and without waiting for another gambler to put it on the exchange. Over the years I have watched minors, people who admit to having gambling problems, and the mentally ill all throw away money and dilithium on these things just to get the endorphin rush that comes with games of chance. “It’s not gambling, you get lobi and weapons packs with every purchase,” yeah, ok pal, I’m sure nobody is going after the ships. Better find another way to keep the lights on because gambleboxes are going ba bye.
I’ll be glad when these predatory gamble boxes go the way of the dinosaurs, and not the Voth, I mean extinct, to the point that everything is obtainable at face value and without waiting for another gambler to put it on the exchange. Over the years I have watched minors, people who admit to having gambling problems, and the mentally ill all throw away money and dilithium on these things just to get the endorphin rush that comes with games of chance. “It’s not gambling, you get lobi and weapons packs with every purchase,” yeah, ok pal, I’m sure nobody is going after the ships. Better find another way to keep the lights on because gambleboxes are going ba bye.
Thing is new players are indeed going after the ships (most have no idea the odds of pulling a ship are so low), only the experienced players realize that they're just a means of obtaining lobi. And if you get lucky and pull a ship in the process-Bonus.
So yeah they are a real problem for some of the community. And more so for people with OCD or other mental illnesses. They really are the equivalent of Pavlov's dogs and skinnerbox conditioning for gamers.
I'm with you in your sentiment. Would be nice to have a simple face value on everything available in game.
I’ll be glad when these predatory gamble boxes go the way of the dinosaurs, and not the Voth, I mean extinct, to the point that everything is obtainable at face value and without waiting for another gambler to put it on the exchange. Over the years I have watched minors, people who admit to having gambling problems, and the mentally ill all throw away money and dilithium on these things just to get the endorphin rush that comes with games of chance. “It’s not gambling, you get lobi and weapons packs with every purchase,” yeah, ok pal, I’m sure nobody is going after the ships. Better find another way to keep the lights on because gambleboxes are going ba bye.
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They will still be way over priced for what they are (Like everything in the Lobi store). but at least you can then open boxes for the Lobi and get/save up for exactly what you want.
I welcome it, personally.
You can be sure that once the initial backlash dies out, they'll put the stuff back slightly improved and by the time countries finally settled with something regarding the lootboxes, BFII will be considered obsolete by EA.
It's not a question of good or evil or even morality at all.
Its about the harmful addictive properties of gambling being a matter of well documented medical fact.
Killing pixels is completely harmless, gambling addiction on the other hand can and does destroy lives.
Not at all. I stopped playing that game after they put actual game affecting items in them.
I didn't mind the cosmetic only side, though.
For example, giving a mandatory percentage chance for specific lockbox contents - that might discourage a few people from playing the lockbox game, but I think not that many.
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It's actually a really beautiful SW game I must say. Kind of a shame some might miss out on it because of negative metacritic reviews by a wretched hive of circle-jerking pitchfork totting bandwagon haters.
A real shame.
Progression isn't as bad as the "Reddit Outrage Mob" would like you to believe.
I played a few hours of multiplayer with a friend the other night and had earned enough credits to buy 3 of the locked heroes.
Played through the campaign (which I enjoyed quite a lot), with the credits I earned there I can buy another 2 or 3 locked heroes.
So I really don't see where people are getting the poor progression argument from. (Actually I do know-Social media circle-Jerks hyping up the issue to fit their narrative).
It's no where near as grim as some of these people are claiming. Anyone who's actually played the game knows that for themselves.
The SW/EA social media controversy is only going to help ticket sales for The Last Jedi. Everyone is looking squarely at SW right now, good or bad, you can't buy advertisement that is this far reaching. And with TLJ just around the corner, this is an unexpected boon to their advertisement campaign.
If the movie is not complete garbage, you'll have a lot of the fence sitters jump into game with Christmas discounts on the horizon. Plus you have to consider that this game has already sold millions of copies in preorders alone. Add to that, it's the only "new" SW game in town for the forseeable future... It only looks good for both the movie and game going forward.
EA has said they won't re introduce the lootcrates until they've been adjusted with the communities concerns in mind. Now, normally I wouldn't trust much of anything that EA says, but with Disney breathing down their neck (and threatening to pull the SW license from EA), there is no way in hell they'll come back without major changes that will be palatable for the majority of the community.
Of course, not everyone will agree on the new lootcrate system (no matter what they do), and you can't please everyone, especially zealot level social media circle-jerks (who haven't even played the game for themselves), but the majority of gamers will swallow them so long as they're not nearly as predatory.
Some of the rumors so far indicate that they're going to go the cosmetic route, and rework the boxes and star card progression.
BUT it's wait and see, and you may be right about them slipping them back in with little change, we'll have to watch this as it unfolds.. But honestly, that would be the stupidest thing EA could do, and another controversy like they had last week about lootcrates will surely lose them the Big Fat Star Wars licence.
In STO's case, they have plenty of time to plan for future legislation.
But my guess is PWE will simply pull the plug on STO if lockboxes/lootcrates are deemed illegal.
Either that or they'll have to rework their pay structure and put everything in the lobi store/C-Store. Or some other similar solution.
As of right now, STO is on life support as far as new content and development is concerned. Their development team is tiny, and nowhere near the size of something like BF2's team.
And if it's too much effort/money to rework the sales structure, prepare for STO 's sunset. PWE won't invest into a game that's already near it's expiration date in terms of player population, and activity.
Oh well, I'll just keep enjoying the game while I can, and hope Cryptic comes up with an alternative revenue idea to boxes...
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Thing is new players are indeed going after the ships (most have no idea the odds of pulling a ship are so low), only the experienced players realize that they're just a means of obtaining lobi. And if you get lucky and pull a ship in the process-Bonus.
So yeah they are a real problem for some of the community. And more so for people with OCD or other mental illnesses. They really are the equivalent of Pavlov's dogs and skinnerbox conditioning for gamers.
I'm with you in your sentiment. Would be nice to have a simple face value on everything available in game.
I hope you know how to use these...
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth