Enterprise is not a prequel to TOS since prequels explain the backstory behind the various characters or universe in the original show, movie, or novel.
Um... it DOES cover universe. Its set in the 22nd Century before the Federation. If Enterprise wasn't cut off when it was, we would have had the established Canon Earth-Romulan War. Not only that, we had some events that tied into "future" things like the fallout from First Contact which set up for the events in TNG's Best of Both Worlds, the reason why Klingons looked the way they did in TOS, and even what happened to USS Defiant after the Interphase thing in an episode of TOS.
So by your definition of prequel... Enterprise covers some backstory of the UNIVERSE of Star Trek from before the birth of the Federation. While it is too far back for character backstory, it still exists in the same universe.
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It could suck. It could be great. It could be somewhere in between. I hope it edges toward the great option.
I am so glad it will be on Netflix.
And to be honest, I would absolutely not mind if Trek isn't a draw to CBS All Access. Because that might just encourage them to go international. And then I suddenly need 3 streaming services to get my shows. And then more and more, because every one of these companies wants one. And that would be getting silly.
1. The show has a good buzz around it. So far, the only buzz I keep hearing are the flies circling the dung heap and I sadly don't see that changing. I'm hoping it does but I'm not betting any money on it.
I'm curious, are you even bothering to look for anything positive about the show or are you satisfied with just looking at negativity?
There is just as many positive reviews and posts out there. You just have to look.
Quite frankly all of the supposedly positive reviews I've read and watched sounded a little too positive. And most of what of they found positive was exactly what was negative for me.
What really killed Discovery for me was the Las Vegas panel when they said: give us a chance. Let us be your kids' Star Trek... That was a slap in the face for me. I've watched Star Trek since the last 60's and supported it all my life. JJ Trek was a step in the wrong direction. And so is Discovery.
That's some weird logic there.
That killed it for you? Them saying that your kids should also have an opportunity to grow up with a Star Trek show?
That was a slap in the face?
Aee you sure you know how a slap in the face actually feels?
"Star Trek is mine and mine alone, kids should get off my Final Frontier lawn?"
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That's some weird logic there.
That killed it for you? Them saying that your kids should also have an opportunity to grow up with a Star Trek show?
That was a slap in the face?
Aee you sure you know how a slap in the face actually feels?
Yeah, I don't quite understand the comment myself.
Like I said, the comment is a slap in the face for two reasons:
Point One: It's simulaneously telling older Trek fans that the series isn't being made with them in mind (fair enough, most shows and products have a target demographic) but was still trying to lure those older viewers in with the nostalgia hook.
Point Two: For the most part, kids don't have money of their own, beyond what they're given by parents (relatives/etc) so the parents are still going to have to pay for the subscription, for their kids to watch the show, regardless of if they are going to watch it themselves.
So fans of an older generation, are being told that this show (using the IP they have followed for 50 years) isn't being used to make a show for them, but they're still being expected to pay for the subscription so their kids can see it.
That, is a major slap in the face to give to a fanbase, without which, there would be no interest in 'Star Trek: Discovery', and they could have gone with any other new sci-fi show (or even non-sci-fi) to be the lure for CBS All Access.
Hope that helps exaplain the viewpoint
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Well, I am looking forward to the premier and will record it so Hubby and I can watch it together.
I actually hope it is different from the other Star Trek shows...because I haven't been able to stay interested past Season 4 on DS9 or TNG. Couldn't get past Season 1 when Voyager was on brand new. Didn't want to watch Enterprise at all. I can't call myself a Star Trek fan because of this.
I prefer to see more interactions between cultures and "races" and relationships with crew members and their reactions as they explore a new (to them) universe and face (and over come?) new dangers together.
Some folks are going to be able to handle it...others are not. I think that would be more interesting (to me) than battles and wars and explosions and exploits of a hero captain (which is strong in the movie versions).
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> @coldnapalm said: > So...nobody wants to get all access over this wreck so far. Sounds about right. This is gonna be a disaster for CBS it seems.
Hardly. Unlike silvertwerp who should go back to his own frelling bitchfest thread, I'm actually cautiously optimistic about the series, it's just that there's only about three other shows on the network that I'm interested in and my finances aren't unlimited (I'm already paying for a Hulu account, plus saving for an Epica concert the day after the DSC premiere and to have my motorcycle fixed).
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1. The show has a good buzz around it. So far, the only buzz I keep hearing are the flies circling the dung heap and I sadly don't see that changing. I'm hoping it does but I'm not betting any money on it.
I'm curious, are you even bothering to look for anything positive about the show or are you satisfied with just looking at negativity?
There is just as many positive reviews and posts out there. You just have to look.
Quite frankly all of the supposedly positive reviews I've read and watched sounded a little too positive. And most of what of they found positive was exactly what was negative for me.
What really killed Discovery for me was the Las Vegas panel when they said: give us a chance. Let us be your kids' Star Trek... That was a slap in the face for me. I've watched Star Trek since the last 60's and supported it all my life. JJ Trek was a step in the wrong direction. And so is Discovery.
I have to agree with JJ Trek... It felt like Star Wars with a Star Trek skin mixed with the Fast & the Furious franchise to me.
Nonetheless I will give Discovery a chance with an open heart and mind....
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Nonetheless I will give Discovery a chance with an open heart and mind....
+1, good reply. I will do the same. I wish to do this and give myself the chance to see it and then decide if it's worth it or because reasons say otherwise. three weeks left and we will see.
Looking forward to it .
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It could suck. It could be great. It could be somewhere in between. I hope it edges toward the great option.
I am so glad it will be on Netflix.
And to be honest, I would absolutely not mind if Trek isn't a draw to CBS All Access. Because that might just encourage them to go international. And then I suddenly need 3 streaming services to get my shows. And then more and more, because every one of these companies wants one. And that would be getting silly.
1. The show has a good buzz around it. So far, the only buzz I keep hearing are the flies circling the dung heap and I sadly don't see that changing. I'm hoping it does but I'm not betting any money on it.
I'm curious, are you even bothering to look for anything positive about the show or are you satisfied with just looking at negativity?
There is just as many positive reviews and posts out there. You just have to look.
Quite frankly all of the supposedly positive reviews I've read and watched sounded a little too positive. And most of what of they found positive was exactly what was negative for me.
What really killed Discovery for me was the Las Vegas panel when they said: give us a chance. Let us be your kids' Star Trek... That was a slap in the face for me. I've watched Star Trek since the last 60's and supported it all my life. JJ Trek was a step in the wrong direction. And so is Discovery.
That's some weird logic there.
That killed it for you? Them saying that your kids should also have an opportunity to grow up with a Star Trek show?
That was a slap in the face?
Aee you sure you know how a slap in the face actually feels?
"Star Trek is mine and mine alone, kids should get off my Final Frontier lawn?"
I can explain the logic-you remember those blurbs that used to come out on movies that sounded REALLY like positive coverage, until you found out that the 'review' being quoted was commissioned by the studio? (there was actually a fair size scandal about this surrounding Waterworld and gigli.)
When the review sounds "too positive" like that, it's often a warning sign that the reviewer's being misquoted, or is really acting as a paid agent for the publicist, and that's been fairly common both as a practice, and common knowledge, since the eighties.
For my part, I'll watch the free version on CBS, but the money's staying in the wallet unless that premiere really blows my mind with awesomeness.
(hint: that's probably not likely. I've already got issues with the generic Reptiloid "Klingons" with their light blue to purple skin, poorly thought out 'apex predator sense' BS and the feeling that the only thing these Klingons will have in common with Klingons is a language because nobody at CBS was willing to pop for a synthetic language to match Fuller's generic reptiloid aliens. the other visual inconsistency isn't that big a deal, I mean, who doesn't want their Starfleet to look like they should play in a marching band?? but the big question for me, and they'd better have a DAMN good story attached to it, is making Burnham into Spocks adopted sister...that right there REEKS of Marysue-ism, or a truly misguided attempt to milk nostalgia...)
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"Reptiloid"? I don't see any scales on that skin, nor reptilian eyes or other features. Your assumptions are showing, Patrick. I know, I know, you don't like that they don't look like TNG Klinks, but I quote that great sage Voltaire:
What happened to the Klingons? Remember in the day
They looked like Puerto Ricans and they dressed in gold lame?
Now they look like heavy metal rockers from the dead
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Personally, I enjoyed Star Trek from when I was a child. I grew up with TOS, then watched TNG and beyond. Many people I know grew up on TNG without ever really seeing TOS and TNG is their favorite. Why wouldn't I want my children to have a similar experience and have "their" Star Trek? Personally, I am happy there will be new versions of Star Trek for my kids to enjoy without needing to fall back on a 50 year old television show that definitely shows its age.
Reminds me of something once said by Tycho of Penny Arcade - that you're not a true D&D player until there's a new edition you can't stand. (Fifth, for me - if I wanted to play a video game, I've got a couple of consoles - but then, I cut my gaming teeth on the first edition of AD&D...)
The data don't say exactly what you seem to think they say, Cold - of the whopping 31 votes thus far (a rather tiny self-selected sample of even this tiny self-selected portion of the fandom), more than 30% have stated that if they are properly impressed with the pilot episode, they will consider subscribing to the streaming service.
Keep in mind also that of this tiny sample, a significant fraction don't live in the United States - for them, CBS All Access isn't even one of the options. In short, this is anything but a statistically important survey; rather, it's more of an idle bull session amongst a handful of people.
The data don't say exactly what you seem to think they say, Cold - of the whopping 31 votes thus far (a rather tiny self-selected sample of even this tiny self-selected portion of the fandom), more than 30% have stated that if they are properly impressed with the pilot episode, they will consider subscribing to the streaming service.
Keep in mind also that of this tiny sample, a significant fraction don't live in the United States - for them, CBS All Access isn't even one of the options. In short, this is anything but a statistically important survey; rather, it's more of an idle bull session amongst a handful of people.
^^ This. Several of the people in this discussion who say they intend to watch DSC (myself included) haven't voted because we have no option in the vote for Netflix, which is DSC's international platform.
Also, with a TV MA rating (age 17 and above), the show is definitely not being targetted or advertised to children. I don't know about you, but I can't think of any 17+ year old I know who doesn't have a part time job of some kind, so the "kids have no money to pay for a subscription" is irrelevant and silly
It occurs to me that the folks who grew up with TNG probably now have kids who are conveniently right in that age range.
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Like I said, the comment is a slap in the face for two reasons:
Point One: It's simulaneously telling older Trek fans that the series isn't being made with them in mind (fair enough, most shows and products have a target demographic) but was still trying to lure those older viewers in with the nostalgia hook.
Point Two: For the most part, kids don't have money of their own, beyond what they're given by parents (relatives/etc) so the parents are still going to have to pay for the subscription, for their kids to watch the show, regardless of if they are going to watch it themselves.
So fans of an older generation, are being told that this show (using the IP they have followed for 50 years) isn't being used to make a show for them, but they're still being expected to pay for the subscription so their kids can see it.
That, is a major slap in the face to give to a fanbase, without which, there would be no interest in 'Star Trek: Discovery', and they could have gone with any other new sci-fi show (or even non-sci-fi) to be the lure for CBS All Access.
Hope that helps exaplain the viewpoint
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I consider neither of those points constitute a "slap in the face".
It doesn't matter what you consider a slap in the face. If someone else does, then they do, and it's their perspective they were talking about and speaking from.
Or does someone have to think exactly the same thing as you, to get a response from you other than your need to challenge other people's opinions?
Also, with a TV MA rating (age 17 and above), the show is definitely not being targetted or advertised to children. I don't know about you, but I can't think of any 17+ year old I know who doesn't have a part time job of some kind, so the "kids have no money to pay for a subscription" is irrelevant and silly
Age certification is somewhat meaningless in this context, especially as in the other thread, artan pointed out that someone younger than that age, can simply tick the box to say they were old enough to watch it. It's not like a kid of 13 walking into a store and trying to rent or buy an MA or R Rated film, where their age will be challenged and a transaction refused. The producers have made clear that this isn't a universally suitable series. I'm not going to pretend to be morally outraged at the idea of someone under an age classification seeing something aimed at a more mature audience, but I will say that I consider it irresponsible for a distributor to making age-restricted content, potentially available to anyone, regardless of age.
But you're right, someone in that 17+ demographic should be able to pay the subscription themself.
Payment points aside, I can understand why someone could perceive that approach to the fanbase as a slap in the face, and I find it strange that you claim to be unable to do so
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Cold, the data say that of the tiny, tiny sample of Trek fandom we have here, none have said publicly that they're going to run out and sign up for CBS All Access just for DSC, and just on the strength of the trailers we've seen here. There are no data to support any further extension. I, for one, voted to wait and see because I want to see what the show is like before leaping to a conclusion.
You've obviously chosen your conclusion. That's your right and your privilege, and none can take that from you - but please be aware that you do not speak for anyone besides yourself. That's a truth that gets lost a lot in this argument (can't really call it a debate, as there's a significant number of people involved who don't seem to want to be swayed by any evidence whatsoever). As a Trekkie from childhood, I'm used to these arguments - did you know there were people who hated the redesign of the Enterprise in TMP? And some of us never did warm to the Ent-D. Doesn't make any of us right - doesn't make us wrong either, it's purely a matter of taste.
The data don't say exactly what you seem to think they say, Cold - of the whopping 31 votes thus far (a rather tiny self-selected sample of even this tiny self-selected portion of the fandom), more than 30% have stated that if they are properly impressed with the pilot episode, they will consider subscribing to the streaming service.
Keep in mind also that of this tiny sample, a significant fraction don't live in the United States - for them, CBS All Access isn't even one of the options. In short, this is anything but a statistically important survey; rather, it's more of an idle bull session amongst a handful of people.
^^ This. Several of the people in this discussion who say they intend to watch DSC (myself included) haven't voted because we have no option in the vote for Netflix, which is DSC's international platform.
Actually I did include an option for Netflix viewers, so please by all means cast your vote if this is going to be your preferred method of viewing Discovery.
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This poll is obviously unscientific and represents only a small portion of Star Trek fans who dedicate their free time to playing a ST MMO and also post on its forum. Despite that it is still rather telling how little enthusiasm there is for using CBS All Access to watch Discovery. The most we have gotten so far is a tepid maybe from around a third of the votes, another third say they aren't going to watch at all, and the remaining third is split between using alternate methods of watching the show.
Considering we are part of the die hard fans that stay in the loop on Star Trek related news, the breakdown can only be worse for casual audiences who probably haven't even heard about the streaming service yet.
Now I'm not saying the show is going to be a one season wonder, the fact that they have gotten such a lucrative Netflix deal helps give the show a lot of padding in terms of its chances. It seems however that Discovery isn't doing much to generate enthusiasm for CBS All Access. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if later seasons wind up migrating to normal televised CBS.
It doesn't matter what you consider a slap in the face. If someone else does, then they do, and it's their perspective they were talking about and speaking from.
Or does someone have to think exactly the same thing as you, to get a response from you other than your need to challenge other people's opinions?
One could say and ask the very same of you.
I'm curious. What compels you to argue with people, such as you did to crashdragon and coldnapalm on page one of this thread, and as you have continued to do?
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Um... it DOES cover universe. Its set in the 22nd Century before the Federation. If Enterprise wasn't cut off when it was, we would have had the established Canon Earth-Romulan War. Not only that, we had some events that tied into "future" things like the fallout from First Contact which set up for the events in TNG's Best of Both Worlds, the reason why Klingons looked the way they did in TOS, and even what happened to USS Defiant after the Interphase thing in an episode of TOS.
So by your definition of prequel... Enterprise covers some backstory of the UNIVERSE of Star Trek from before the birth of the Federation. While it is too far back for character backstory, it still exists in the same universe.
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It could suck. It could be great. It could be somewhere in between. I hope it edges toward the great option.
I am so glad it will be on Netflix.
And to be honest, I would absolutely not mind if Trek isn't a draw to CBS All Access. Because that might just encourage them to go international. And then I suddenly need 3 streaming services to get my shows. And then more and more, because every one of these companies wants one. And that would be getting silly.
That's some weird logic there.
That killed it for you? Them saying that your kids should also have an opportunity to grow up with a Star Trek show?
That was a slap in the face?
Aee you sure you know how a slap in the face actually feels?
"Star Trek is mine and mine alone, kids should get off my Final Frontier lawn?"
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Point One: It's simulaneously telling older Trek fans that the series isn't being made with them in mind (fair enough, most shows and products have a target demographic) but was still trying to lure those older viewers in with the nostalgia hook.
Point Two: For the most part, kids don't have money of their own, beyond what they're given by parents (relatives/etc) so the parents are still going to have to pay for the subscription, for their kids to watch the show, regardless of if they are going to watch it themselves.
So fans of an older generation, are being told that this show (using the IP they have followed for 50 years) isn't being used to make a show for them, but they're still being expected to pay for the subscription so their kids can see it.
That, is a major slap in the face to give to a fanbase, without which, there would be no interest in 'Star Trek: Discovery', and they could have gone with any other new sci-fi show (or even non-sci-fi) to be the lure for CBS All Access.
Hope that helps exaplain the viewpoint
*Extratextbecausereasons
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I actually hope it is different from the other Star Trek shows...because I haven't been able to stay interested past Season 4 on DS9 or TNG. Couldn't get past Season 1 when Voyager was on brand new. Didn't want to watch Enterprise at all. I can't call myself a Star Trek fan because of this.
I prefer to see more interactions between cultures and "races" and relationships with crew members and their reactions as they explore a new (to them) universe and face (and over come?) new dangers together.
Some folks are going to be able to handle it...others are not. I think that would be more interesting (to me) than battles and wars and explosions and exploits of a hero captain (which is strong in the movie versions).
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> So...nobody wants to get all access over this wreck so far. Sounds about right. This is gonna be a disaster for CBS it seems.
Hardly. Unlike silvertwerp who should go back to his own frelling bitchfest thread, I'm actually cautiously optimistic about the series, it's just that there's only about three other shows on the network that I'm interested in and my finances aren't unlimited (I'm already paying for a Hulu account, plus saving for an Epica concert the day after the DSC premiere and to have my motorcycle fixed).
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Nonetheless I will give Discovery a chance with an open heart and mind....
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+1, good reply. I will do the same. I wish to do this and give myself the chance to see it and then decide if it's worth it or because reasons say otherwise. three weeks left and we will see.
Looking forward to it
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What happened to the Klingons? Remember in the day
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Now they look like heavy metal rockers from the dead
With leather pants and frizzy hair and lobsters on their heads!
Keep in mind also that of this tiny sample, a significant fraction don't live in the United States - for them, CBS All Access isn't even one of the options. In short, this is anything but a statistically important survey; rather, it's more of an idle bull session amongst a handful of people.
^^ This. Several of the people in this discussion who say they intend to watch DSC (myself included) haven't voted because we have no option in the vote for Netflix, which is DSC's international platform.
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Or does someone have to think exactly the same thing as you, to get a response from you other than your need to challenge other people's opinions?
Age certification is somewhat meaningless in this context, especially as in the other thread, artan pointed out that someone younger than that age, can simply tick the box to say they were old enough to watch it. It's not like a kid of 13 walking into a store and trying to rent or buy an MA or R Rated film, where their age will be challenged and a transaction refused. The producers have made clear that this isn't a universally suitable series. I'm not going to pretend to be morally outraged at the idea of someone under an age classification seeing something aimed at a more mature audience, but I will say that I consider it irresponsible for a distributor to making age-restricted content, potentially available to anyone, regardless of age.
But you're right, someone in that 17+ demographic should be able to pay the subscription themself.
Payment points aside, I can understand why someone could perceive that approach to the fanbase as a slap in the face, and I find it strange that you claim to be unable to do so
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You've obviously chosen your conclusion. That's your right and your privilege, and none can take that from you - but please be aware that you do not speak for anyone besides yourself. That's a truth that gets lost a lot in this argument (can't really call it a debate, as there's a significant number of people involved who don't seem to want to be swayed by any evidence whatsoever). As a Trekkie from childhood, I'm used to these arguments - did you know there were people who hated the redesign of the Enterprise in TMP? And some of us never did warm to the Ent-D. Doesn't make any of us right - doesn't make us wrong either, it's purely a matter of taste.
Actually I did include an option for Netflix viewers, so please by all means cast your vote if this is going to be your preferred method of viewing Discovery.
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This poll is obviously unscientific and represents only a small portion of Star Trek fans who dedicate their free time to playing a ST MMO and also post on its forum. Despite that it is still rather telling how little enthusiasm there is for using CBS All Access to watch Discovery. The most we have gotten so far is a tepid maybe from around a third of the votes, another third say they aren't going to watch at all, and the remaining third is split between using alternate methods of watching the show.
Considering we are part of the die hard fans that stay in the loop on Star Trek related news, the breakdown can only be worse for casual audiences who probably haven't even heard about the streaming service yet.
Now I'm not saying the show is going to be a one season wonder, the fact that they have gotten such a lucrative Netflix deal helps give the show a lot of padding in terms of its chances. It seems however that Discovery isn't doing much to generate enthusiasm for CBS All Access. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if later seasons wind up migrating to normal televised CBS.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth