Just recruited Andrea#1047 and DAMN her arms are messed up :(

silverlobes

Difference in facial features, I can accept, they may not have been able to secure the rights to use the facial features of the original actress, but it would have been nice if they'd at least flipped the hairstyle assigned, to be closer.

But her arms, they are a real mess

The shoulder bulk needs to be increased significantly to be a better blend to the upper arm, the lower arms could do with being a smidge thinner, and the hands, at least two 'blocks' on the sliders smaller, would be a better balance.

The rest of the proportions are fine, but those arms really could do with a tweak.

markhawkman

does yours look like this?

If so... looks fine to me.

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mneme0

Perhaps I am missing something, I am also displeased on how the outfit's "top" has a gap with the pants on my captain and other BOFFs but looks okay on Andrea.

silverlobes

markhawkman wrote: »

does yours look like this?

If so... looks fine to me.

Ish yes/no kind of :-\

I'm talking about the size of the deltoid area, which (especially at the side profile, which I won't capture for reasons of decency) is too small compared to the rest of the arm. Some examples:

Andrea


Bare arms


Wearing jacket

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silverlobes

valoreah wrote: »

Still not seeing the issue to be honest.

TRIBBLE off and stop trolling my posts.

thay8472

She's got small shoulders? :S

alcyoneserene

I see it from your pic, and I agree it looks off.

nikeix

silverlobes#2676 wrote: »

valoreah wrote: »

Still not seeing the issue to be honest.

**** off and stop trolling my posts.

It might not be trolling. Especially since the jokes about a Star Trek fan not being able to recognize an error/oddity in female anatomy pretty much write themselves...

silverlobes

thay8472 wrote: »

She's got small shoulders? :S

She has. (and generally unbalanced arms, but the shoulder isue is the most significant)

silverlobes

alcyoneserene wrote: »

I see it from your pic, and I agree it looks off.

Thank you

thay8472

The actress who played Andrea does have small shoulders / thin arms.



Overall ,it's not bad IMO, would like that hairstyle though.

silverlobes

nikeix wrote: »

silverlobes#2676 wrote: »

valoreah wrote: »

Still not seeing the issue to be honest.

**** off and stop trolling my posts.

It might not be trolling. Especially since the jokes about a Star Trek fan not being able to recognize an error/oddity in female anatomy pretty much write themselves...

This is true

smokebailey

thay8472 wrote: »

The actress who played Andrea does have small shoulders / thin arms.



Overall ,it's not bad IMO, would like that hairstyle though.

Same

silverlobes

And just a point of reference, this is what Andrea's arms looked like:

seaofsorrows

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nikeix

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meimeitoo

silverlobes#2676 wrote: »

And just a point of reference, this is what Andrea's arms looked like:

Her arms are a tiny bit thinner than in-game. But I don't have an issue with the way she looks in STO, really.

In our game, boff arms ere tend to be too thin, actually (default). Which is to say, looking good when wearing a suit, but slightly too skinny when bare-armed. Which is why, for myself, I tend to add a wee substance to my arms for any bare-arm outfit.

P.S. That actress, just realized, that could be Haley (from Modern Family), don't ya think?!

seaofsorrows

nikeix wrote: »

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You're right, that wasn't how I meant for it to sound.. but I get it.

I removed it.

I hope it gets fixed to the OP's satisfaction.

silverlobes

seaofsorrows wrote: »

silverlobes#2676 wrote: »

valoreah wrote: »

Still not seeing the issue to be honest.

**** off and stop trolling my posts.

That was extremely uncalled for.

He did nothing that even remotely resembled trolling, he said that to him it looks ok, and he was right. It looks fine.

Val's behavior, is that of a troll. It was a disingenuous statement, which, having been ignored, did not need repeating, just for the sake of being contrary to the statement I had made. Val's comments on the Discovery uniform aesthetics threads, show unquestionable intent to be contrary, under the guide of 'not seeing the issue', just for the sake of being contrary. That is the very definition of trolling. I may not have an 8000+ post count, but I'm not going to let someone troll me just because they've gotten away with it in the past.

As for the remainder of your comment, if you don't like how my boffs look, scroll past the picture, no need to be a hater.

nikeix

I admit, at first I thought it was a dropped value - that the slider should have been set somewhere in the 90s out of 255 and defaulted to 0 when the data was missing. But after looking at the source image, I'm thinking the small size of her shoulders is just a little exaggerated rather than outright broken.

Fidelity to the source material is as important in character art as it is in ship art. I hope they take another look at it. They might feel it's fine, they might not.

seaofsorrows

silverlobes#2676 wrote: »

if you don't like how my boffs look, scroll past the picture, no need to be a hater.

Wasn't my intent, but fair enough.

I hope they fix it for you.

silverlobes

meimeitoo wrote: »

silverlobes#2676 wrote: »

And just a point of reference, this is what Andrea's arms looked like:

Her arms are a tiny bit thinner than in-game. But I don't have an issue with the way she looks in STO, really.

It's not so much the thickness of her arms, it's the dip between the deltoid/bicep/triceps area of the upper arm. Look at Sherry Jackson's upper arm. There's some definition between the deltoid/bicep/triceps area, but nothing like what has been created for the boff In terms of the tailor sliders, I think it would be corrected by moving the marker for shoulder bulk along, by about twice it's (the sliding marker) size

In our game, boff arms ere tend to be too thin, actually (default). Which is to say, looking good when wearing a suit, but slightly too skinny when bare-armed. Which is why, for myself, I tend to add a wee substance to my arms for any bare-arm outfit.

Yes, the arms can often need a bit of tweaking. Arguably, I need to thin T'Vrell's arms a couple pixels (yes, that is a Romulan Embassy boff with a slightly modified overlay of T'Vrell's template) as those values are representative of jacket sleeves, not bare arms

P.S. That actress, just realized, that could be Haley (from Modern Family), don't ya think?!

Ooh, yes, she would be ideal in a re-casting

silverlobes

nikeix wrote: »

I admit, at first I thought it was a dropped value - that the slider should have been set somewhere in the 90s out of 255 and defaulted to 0 when the data was missing. But after looking at the source image, I'm thinking the small size of her shoulders is just a little exaggerated rather than outright broken.

Fidelity to the source material is as important in character art as it is in ship art. I hope they take another look at it. They might feel it's fine, they might not.

For sure, not crazy-broken, just something which a little nudge of the slider would balance to proportionate to the rest of the upper-arm

Fingers crossed, but I doubt it's something which will be changed any time soon

silverlobes

seaofsorrows wrote: »

silverlobes#2676 wrote: »

if you don't like how my boffs look, scroll past the picture, no need to be a hater.

Wasn't my intent, but fair enough.

I hope they fix it for you.

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seaofsorrows

valoreah wrote: »

I guess the shoulder width could be a bit wider, but other than that I still think it looks fine. It's a bit much to expect full 3D high-res body scan of the original model quality.

I do wish we had that hairstyle in game.

This is pretty much my opinion as well. We have to keep in mind, the game has been out 7 years and the engine is probably a couple years older then that.

Frankly, I'm surprised they're able to make ships look as good as they do, but the character models have always left a lot to be desired. I guess I'm just at the point where I'm so used to it that I look at the picture and think it just looks normal.

byozuma

Late to the meeting... Valoreah was only giving their opinion and nothing more. And frankly, I've of similar mind. She looks fine. Healthier, in fact, when compared to her inspiration source and their thinner arms. But I do see where you're coming from. My biggest beef with the character models in this game is when you scale the arms... You can sort of see it on Andrea. Somehow they got it backwards as, when I look at my arms in real life, my lower arm is NOT the shorter of the two parts. I've made this very observation in my race build thread, and it's pissed me off to no end.

legendarylycan

seaofsorrows wrote: »

valoreah wrote: »

I guess the shoulder width could be a bit wider, but other than that I still think it looks fine. It's a bit much to expect full 3D high-res body scan of the original model quality.

I do wish we had that hairstyle in game.

This is pretty much my opinion as well. We have to keep in mind, the game has been out 7 years and the engine is probably a couple years older then that.

the original incarnation of the engine is apparently from 1999​​

baddmoonrizin

Let's take it down a notch, @silverlobes. It's a matter of opinion, not trolling. I don't see a problem either. Am I trolling? Others have also stated they don't see an issue. Are they trolling?

If you've got a personal issue with someone, and this bit of advice is for everyone, might I suggest taking it to a private message and hash it out there. Perhaps the two parties can discuss what's really going on and/or come to an understanding rather than involve the entire community in whatever perceived rivalry you've got going on, because otherwise all it's going to end up doing is derailing every thread said parties ever end up interacting in.

/soapbox