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What would ST had been, if First contact was with the Romulans?
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I mean, think it over, just how amazing is it that just the Vulcans of all races, noticed Ephram's warp trail...
What if it were, indeed, the Romulans?
I mean, they ARE basically Vulcans, they just love their emotions, where the Vulcans prefer pure logic...
Where would we have ended up then?
What if it were, indeed, the Romulans?
I mean, they ARE basically Vulcans, they just love their emotions, where the Vulcans prefer pure logic...
Where would we have ended up then?
Klingons don't get drunk.
They just get less sober.
They just get less sober.
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
This.
What would have been interesting if first contact had been with the Andorians.
https://graphicpolicy.com/2017/03/16/preview-star-trek-deviations/
There are quite a few species out there.
Aren't we lucky TRIBBLE... *grins*
They just get less sober.
My character Tsin'xing
I don't think it would have made that much of a difference. In Enterprise, we get into regular contact with both species, partly as a result of relations between the two.
The role of Enterprise in canon is more important btw. They basically made the Vulcans into Romulan agents, or at least the Vulcans of this time were heavily influenced by them.
Later writers, not being scientists and having missed out on Heinlein's essays on slower than light space travel, could not conceive of sublight travel as anything better than what we have now, and so they excised the entire period from Trek history.
Originally Earth met Vulcans in Vulcan space, and had a dozen or more colony worlds already going by the time they did, among which were the Orion Colonies.
My character Tsin'xing
Egypt, 50 BC: A young Hero embarks on creating wonderous steam engines for multiple purposes, including the world's first coin operated machine. Steam engines are recreated 1700 years later and change the face of the world. It's a safe bet Jim Watt never heard of an aeolipile.
China, 400 BC: Chinese people already use oil and natural gas, for which they drill several hundred feet. By the first century AD they have reached depths of 800 feet or more. In the early/mid 1800s America experienced an oil boom as 'rock oil' begins to displace whale oil as fuel for lighting and for lubrication. In less than half a century whale oil, along with most non-food, non-petroleum oils, becomes a niche industry with an ever dwindling customer base.
If elapsed time were sufficient to spur technical progress, the Industrial Revolution should have happened by at least 1AD, when all the necessary ingredients, (sufficiently advanced metallurgy, abundant and easily handled fuel, large available labor pool,) were on hand.
By the time humanity reached the stars they were advanced enough to stalemate the Romulans, who negotiated their treaty over subspace radio because the distances involved were too great, one presumes, to get diplomats to a meeting place in time.
And we saw in Enterprise that Starfleet was NOT a technological equal to most races they encountered. The original cruise missile style Torpedoes were WOEFULLY slow and underwhelming, and Enterprise didn't even have shields. Hell... they still had a grappling hook style device instead of a tractor beam. What Enterprise DID show was development of tech we were familiar with. We saw the Phase Cannons and Photonic Torpedoes. And even though the NX was still an underdog, tactics and good old human stubbornness sometimes made up the difference.
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My character Tsin'xing
More than likely it was stripped down to accomodate the plasma weapon. It only had to make the journey across the Neutral Zone. It could even have had a hidden base in the Zone or on the Romulan side closest to the zone.
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Is it a good substitute for warp drive or singularity? Hell no, but can it ftl? Sure.
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Either way, even with current tech we could get there in 12 years at .1g, assuming over 99% of the ship is fuel and reaction mass. It would be a one way trip until the ship could be refueled.There are certainly many technical hurdles to overcome, and beyond that billions of dollars to invest in actually constructing such a vessel, but it is currently within thought experiment range if not actually in preliminary development even now.
Who do you think would find us first?
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Humanity was the center of the Federation because of a quality no other species encountered up to that time posessed: growth. Humans, given the room to breed, did so unashamedly and with great gusto. In Kirks words to Zephram Cochrane, "We're on a thousand worlds and spreading out." Only the Romulans were in any position to obstruct that growth early on, and they only temporarily disrupted the diaspora in one direction by stalemating the Earth Federation. The same thing would bring them into conflict with the Klingon Empire only a couple generations later.
> Since none of those facts were established in TOS, it seems irrelevant. But, in TOS, neither the Vulcanians nor the Andorians were more technologically advanced than Humans, and at the time of the Human diaspora post WW3 neither had much in the way of colonies.
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> Humanity was the center of the Federation because of a quality no other species encountered up to that time posessed: growth. Humans, given the room ation's to breed, did so unashamedly and with great gusto. In Kirks words to Zephram Cochrane, "We're on a thousand worlds and spreading out." Only the Romulans were in any position to obstruct that growth early on, and they only temporarily disrupted the diaspora in one direction by stalemating the Earth Federation. The same thing would bring them into conflict with the Klingon Empire only a couple generations later.
Really, the TOS's history of the early Federation was better than what they retconned it with. But it didn't go with the Star Trek meme that humans basically are not a aggressive species. It's nonsense, but it's been a thing since TNG, right up to the KT movies.
also where was Daniel during 1st contact??
Judging from Andoria when Enterprise went to the stars it is likely that the Andorians would not have held back humanity traveling to the stars like the Vulcans did.
Weapon wise earth vessels will probably be armed with plasma cannons as seen on merchant vessels in Enterprise or if the Andorians shared their weapon technology early disruptors.
It is difficult to judge how the universe was during first contact since there was simply no info available on the Andorians and Orions during that time.
And the ears.
Trying to conquer an 'inconsequential' planet so near the Vulcans and the Andorrians wouldn't be smart at all, with them between the Romulans and the Earth.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
simple - slaves and stamping out competition before it manages to become a threat
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Plenty of races that could be interested.
Slavery, planetary riches, I mean...
Plenty of reasons to have us been visited for not that fun reasons.
But noooo... VULCANS....
The ONLY peaceful species out there.
What's the mathematical chance of that?
They just get less sober.
how would they know? they seemingly had cloaks even back then if Minefield is any indication
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Were I a space explorer the last place I'd look for riches is on a planet. Asteroids for rocky and metallic materials and comets and Oort Cloud bodies for volatiles are both far greater sources, (a single asteroid recently discovered contains more nickle and iron than has been mined on Earth since caveman days,) and far easier to access, (zero g.)
In fact, the only thing I'd even look for in the inner system is habitable worlds, which may be rare in our universe, but which orbit nearly every star in the Trekverse. When there's lots of something it loses value, so even in that respect Earth is just another ock with air.
They just get less sober.