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  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,219 Arc User
    kiksken wrote: »
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    Planetary riches. Huh.

    Were I a space explorer the last place I'd look for riches is on a planet. Asteroids for rocky and metallic materials and comets and Oort Cloud bodies for volatiles are both far greater sources, (a single asteroid recently discovered contains more nickle and iron than has been mined on Earth since caveman days,) and far easier to access, (zero g.)

    In fact, the only thing I'd even look for in the inner system is habitable worlds, which may be rare in our universe, but which orbit nearly every star in the Trekverse. When there's lots of something it loses value, so even in that respect Earth is just another ock with air.
    I do not think, that your asteroids give the same amount of ores and what not that you can find on Earth...

    You have that backwards. Earth, in its entirety, is a speck of dust compared to what's out there. There is even a group hunting through NASA rdcords to inventory what's out there in the hope that mining in space begins before we use up what we can find on Earth.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    mining in space can, realistically, happen NOW, because we have the technology; the two things holding it back are politics and money...you know, the two things that hold back ANY form of progress​​
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  • kikskenkiksken Member Posts: 664 Arc User
    brian334 wrote: »
    kiksken wrote: »
    brian334 wrote: »
    Planetary riches. Huh.

    Were I a space explorer the last place I'd look for riches is on a planet. Asteroids for rocky and metallic materials and comets and Oort Cloud bodies for volatiles are both far greater sources, (a single asteroid recently discovered contains more nickle and iron than has been mined on Earth since caveman days,) and far easier to access, (zero g.)

    In fact, the only thing I'd even look for in the inner system is habitable worlds, which may be rare in our universe, but which orbit nearly every star in the Trekverse. When there's lots of something it loses value, so even in that respect Earth is just another ock with air.
    I do not think, that your asteroids give the same amount of ores and what not that you can find on Earth...

    You have that backwards. Earth, in its entirety, is a speck of dust compared to what's out there. There is even a group hunting through NASA rdcords to inventory what's out there in the hope that mining in space begins before we use up what we can find on Earth.
    That would mean, that, as you put this (I think you did), EVERY sodding asteroid and whatnot would be precious in an ore (or more ores).
    I think, it would be more accurate, to think that most of those objects are totaly void of any riches...
    I could be wrong of course, as I am not an asteroid hunting space frog...
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    mining in space can, realistically, happen NOW, because we have the technology; the two things holding it back are politics and money...you know, the two things that hold back ANY form of progress​​
    Well, The huge cost of getting anything out of Earth's atmosphere is the biggest issue right now. A cargo-sized version of Space-X might be viable though.
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  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,219 Arc User
    kiksken wrote: »
    brian334 wrote: »
    kiksken wrote: »
    brian334 wrote: »
    Planetary riches. Huh.

    Were I a space explorer the last place I'd look for riches is on a planet. Asteroids for rocky and metallic materials and comets and Oort Cloud bodies for volatiles are both far greater sources, (a single asteroid recently discovered contains more nickle and iron than has been mined on Earth since caveman days,) and far easier to access, (zero g.)

    In fact, the only thing I'd even look for in the inner system is habitable worlds, which may be rare in our universe, but which orbit nearly every star in the Trekverse. When there's lots of something it loses value, so even in that respect Earth is just another ock with air.
    I do not think, that your asteroids give the same amount of ores and what not that you can find on Earth...

    You have that backwards. Earth, in its entirety, is a speck of dust compared to what's out there. There is even a group hunting through NASA rdcords to inventory what's out there in the hope that mining in space begins before we use up what we can find on Earth.
    That would mean, that, as you put this (I think you did), EVERY sodding asteroid and whatnot would be precious in an ore (or more ores).
    I think, it would be more accurate, to think that most of those objects are totaly void of any riches...
    I could be wrong of course, as I am not an asteroid hunting space frog...

    From what I've read most asteroids are various versions of carbonaceous chondrites, and most comets are water with a variety of junk mixed in. But, as I've said, there are nickle-iron asteroids. Many such. A recently documented one is estimated to have more iron than has been mined on Earth in all of history. Then there is gold, silver, copper, paladium, irridium, tungsten, and don't forget rate earths. And none of that wealth requires strip mining the rain forests to get to it.

    Any alien interested in interstellar travel would have the technology to mine asteroids and comets long before their first step between stars. Sailing deep into a stellar gravity well in search of resources seems wasteful when there is more of the same stuff in economy sized packages waiting for pickup out in deep space.

    So far as I can see, the only reason any space explorer would go very far into a star's gravity well would be to check out potentially habitable worlds.
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