but meyer knows how to make a proper, engaging film and actually did PROPER RESEARCH - both on the material he was working with AND the science at the time AND he didn't grossly violate http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale TWICE across TWO different franchises
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Sloan is the Section 31 agent who appeared on DS9, Section 31 being the single worst invention of Berman era Trek he absolutely belongs on the list.
I think I remember that episode, they didnt believe Dr Bashier was what he said he was and kept going out of their way to troll him, even bringing him Worfs Gagh instead of the scones. Every government has their shady jerks, its not that they are evil, they are doing their job...its just that they make up the rules as to how they do it. They keep the alpha quadrant safe as they are supposed to, the power they are given they could take it over, but they dont, they weed out the evil by being like Mad Eye Moody, another character that acted/thought like evil wizards in order to keep up with them and find them and take them down. But if you went off of underhanded schemes you'd have to implement Sisko for helping to assassinate that ambassador in order to cause the Romulans to join them in the war...this would of saved them from being conquered later once they where alone, but the idea of a star fleet officer acting like a ROmulan to get the help of the Romulans made my jaw drop...especially after all those years of watching Picard dictate morals and rules of star fleet, refusing to break any of them, well maybe not the prime directive, but you get what I mean.
But on that note, DS9 is for the misfits of star fleet, they kinda get away with anything out there. its like they dont even act like star fleet sometimes...
I found the actors acceptable but unremarkable (except Cumberpatch, who was not a good fit for his role), but their adequacy was overshadowed by uninspired action movie plots without any thoughtfulness to them. They were edgy for edginess' sake (sex with farm animals? Really?) and none of the characters acted like professional anythings (except maybe Spock). It's like Starfleet recruited a bunch of Teenagers With Attitude. And their Enterprise needed a few more design passes.
So basically their problem was that they were identical to every single other Star TRek film except TMP and TVH? All of them are relatively uninspired action films. The only one that captures any of the nuance of the shows is TUC, the rest don't have any time to put any thoughtfulness into them because they're two hours long. The 'edginess' and lack of professionalism is only present in Kirk (who grew up with a implied abusive step father in this timeline) and Uhura (because we can't have professional female characters anymore). All the others acted exactly like their prime timeline counterparts but younger. And the only downside to the Enterprise is the attempted scrimping on budget by filming in buildings for the interiors.
Well legally, they have to after a certain period (which would be 2061 thanks to the Sunny Bono act AKA the Mickey Mouse Protection Act. Otherwise it would be 2022.). They'd have to push another extension into Law. It would be counterproductive to have copyright that never expires, because the original purpose of copyright law is to encourage people to make things that eventually lapse into the public domain and can be used by all.
Legally it will be extended. It is counter productive and a dilution of any brand to allow other content creators to interfear with it.
Technically it's not a reboot, but it's functionally a reboot because it gives the writers a license to ignore anything they feel like from previous movies or series. This isn't bad in and of itself, but I feel like it's wasted on the series.
It's exactly the same concept as the Mirror Universe. It allows for an exploration of 'what if'. Far more interesting that what we ended up with by VGR and their boring space magic.
What if i told you I started this meme a few years ago on google and it caught on big time...
Firstly, that's a lie, secondly if it's true it just makes you a bit of a nob.
No need to be nasty about it. I didnt see the memes begin to appear until a few months after I began to address him as Jar Jar Abrams, but its not the first time a joke i started took off but no one remembers it came from me.
Hmm, it's bad when I do it to you but good when you do it to JJ Abrams? Okay then.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
And Slone's not a bad guy. He's got a job to do and that's to protect the Federation. Maybe genocide is a bit far but it's not like he wants to kill them because he's bored or because he's insane like Dukat and thinks he's doing them a favour.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
and it isn't like S31 went STRAIGHT to genocide; they probably explored other options first, back when the war wasn't TOTALLY going against the alliance
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Hmm, it's bad when I do it to you but good when you do it to JJ Abrams? Okay then.
I made fun of Abrams back then for being clumsy with how he handled the star trek films, your not paying to see my work. So you should have no reason police my criticism of some aspects of a product that I didnt like. Given your past comments, its kinda forward of you finger point about another's fan criticism. lol, now "shh"
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Hmm, it's bad when I do it to you but good when you do it to JJ Abrams? Okay then.
I made fun of Abrams back then for being clumsy with how he handled the star trek films, your not paying to see my work. So you should have no reason police my criticism of some aspects of a product that I didnt like. Given your past comments, its kinda forward of you finger point about another's fan criticism. lol, now "shh"
No. Giving somebody a insulting nickname is a personal attack. You can call it 'making fun' or insulting or what ever you like, it's still a personal attack you feel free to dish out but can't handle being on the receiving end of.
And neocatstar, the likelihood of you getting me to hush is as low as the odds of you being struck by a meteorite, if not lower.
I think that's me he's telling to 'shh' not you.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
And neocatstar, the likelihood of you getting me to hush is as low as the odds of you being struck by a meteorite, if not lower.
I was trying to be light hearted about it, but Im asking you both not to go off topic, talk all you want about the post discussion. If you need to argue the Jarjar joke, make a new thread.
Sloan is the Section 31 agent who appeared on DS9, Section 31 being the single worst invention of Berman era Trek he absolutely belongs on the list.
I think I remember that episode, they didnt believe Dr Bashier was what he said he was and kept going out of their way to troll him, even bringing him Worfs Gagh instead of the scones. Every government has their shady jerks, its not that they are evil, they are doing their job...its just that they make up the rules as to how they do it. They keep the alpha quadrant safe as they are supposed to, the power they are given they could take it over, but they dont, they weed out the evil by being like Mad Eye Moody, another character that acted/thought like evil wizards in order to keep up with them and find them and take them down. But if you went off of underhanded schemes you'd have to implement Sisko for helping to assassinate that ambassador in order to cause the Romulans to join them in the war...this would of saved them from being conquered later once they where alone, but the idea of a star fleet officer acting like a ROmulan to get the help of the Romulans made my jaw drop...especially after all those years of watching Picard dictate morals and rules of star fleet, refusing to break any of them, well maybe not the prime directive, but you get what I mean.
But on that note, DS9 is for the misfits of star fleet, they kinda get away with anything out there. its like they dont even act like star fleet sometimes...
and it isn't like S31 went STRAIGHT to genocide; they probably explored other options first, back when the war wasn't TOTALLY going against the alliance
Point of order, they used Odo to transmit their bioweapon back in season 4 ("Broken Link" was the last time any changelings from the Alpha Quadrant came into physical contact with the Great Link), over a year before the Dominion even invaded Cardassia. It wasn't a response, it was a preeemptive strike. And I would point out that victory over the Dominion was achieved through conventional military means, the peace and stopping the genocide of the Cardassians being achieved by curing it.
The "necessary evil" that Section 31 purports to perform was already taken by Ron Moore's creation of Starfleet Intelligence. Section 31 are just a politically-connected ultranationalist terrorist group in DS9; it wasn't until ENT and Into Darkness that they got retconned into somehow being the good guys.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
It's exactly the same concept as the Mirror Universe. It allows for an exploration of 'what if'.
FINALLY someone else says it too!
Really got sick of people going "It destroys everything", when THEY FRAKKIN' TELL US ITS AN ALTERNATE REALITY RIGHT IN THE FRAKKIN' MOVIE!
*passes out*
The "necessary evil" that Section 31 purports to perform was already taken by Ron Moore's creation of Starfleet Intelligence. Section 31 are just a politically-connected ultranationalist terrorist group in DS9; it wasn't until ENT and Into Darkness that they got retconned into somehow being the good guys.
My view of them actually came from STO missions involving them, i didnt know they came from the series until later. I remember Section 31 trying to recruit you in the game, and the main face for them (i forget his name) using you to fight things like the Devidians. So my perceptions of them where like the the characters from "True Lies" movie. So its true, i viewed them as the good guys once they said section 31. I guess thats why i excused their means... ^^;
rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,582Community Moderator
I think Section 31 may have STARTED out as a clandestine group dedicated to protecting the Federation, as seen in Enterprise, but they could have evolved to what we saw in DS9 over time.
As they say... the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
I think Section 31 may have STARTED out as a clandestine group dedicated to protecting the Federation, as seen in Enterprise, but they could have evolved to what we saw in DS9 over time.
As they say... the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
good point
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,582Community Moderator
It's exactly the same concept as the Mirror Universe. It allows for an exploration of 'what if'.
FINALLY someone else says it too!
Really got sick of people going "It destroys everything", when THEY FRAKKIN' TELL US ITS AN ALTERNATE REALITY RIGHT IN THE FRAKKIN' MOVIE!
*passes out*
I agree that the new star trek movie are base on a new universe but that is it. First time i saw the new JJ Star trek for me it was another Mirror universe nothing more nothing less.
It's exactly the same concept as the Mirror Universe. It allows for an exploration of 'what if'.
FINALLY someone else says it too!
Really got sick of people going "It destroys everything", when THEY FRAKKIN' TELL US ITS AN ALTERNATE REALITY RIGHT IN THE FRAKKIN' MOVIE!
*passes out*
I agree that the new star trek movie are base on a new universe but that is it. First time i saw the new JJ Star trek for me it was another Mirror universe nothing more nothing less.
Actually, while the Kelvin timeline is basically an alternate universe, it's creation does, supposedly, start with changes that occur in the prime universe. Sure, that only has any particular effect on any future prime universe content set after Nemesis that would; a) include Spock, who wouldn't be usable now anyway, or b) the Romulans, who were already in turmoil after Nemesis which would require they reform their government anyway, so having them relocate to another planet is no problem.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
losing your homeworld is devastating no matter WHAT is currently occurring - look at what happened to the t'kon - their empire was fairly sizable (probably even moreso than the RSE), yet the loss of their homeworld caused the entire thing to collapse
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
losing your homeworld is devastating no matter WHAT is currently occurring - look at what happened to the t'kon - their empire was fairly sizable (probably even moreso than the RSE), yet the loss of their homeworld caused the entire thing to collapse
The collapse of the entire government may have done that anyway, so what difference does it make? They're in turmoil, some other person took control and set up a government of their own. Same difference, just worse.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
The "necessary evil" that Section 31 purports to perform was already taken by Ron Moore's creation of Starfleet Intelligence. Section 31 are just a politically-connected ultranationalist terrorist group in DS9; it wasn't until ENT and Into Darkness that they got retconned into somehow being the good guys.
My view of them actually came from STO missions involving them, i didnt know they came from the series until later. I remember Section 31 trying to recruit you in the game, and the main face for them (i forget his name) using you to fight things like the Devidians. So my perceptions of them where like the the characters from "True Lies" movie. So its true, i viewed them as the good guys once they said section 31. I guess thats why i excused their means... ^^;
I think Section 31 may have STARTED out as a clandestine group dedicated to protecting the Federation, as seen in Enterprise, but they could have evolved to what we saw in DS9 over time.
As they say... the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Personally, I blame War on Terrorism-related shows like 24 glamorizing the "national security über Alles" approach to foreign policy and warfare. ENT began airing a couple months before 9/11 and Section 31 wasn't brought up until season 4. STO and Into Darkness were written way later.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
it's the same thing with antimatter - back in the 60s, no one knew how powerful a pound of it was outside of a few select eggheads; now we do
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I think I remember that episode, they didnt believe Dr Bashier was what he said he was and kept going out of their way to troll him, even bringing him Worfs Gagh instead of the scones. Every government has their shady jerks, its not that they are evil, they are doing their job...its just that they make up the rules as to how they do it. They keep the alpha quadrant safe as they are supposed to, the power they are given they could take it over, but they dont, they weed out the evil by being like Mad Eye Moody, another character that acted/thought like evil wizards in order to keep up with them and find them and take them down. But if you went off of underhanded schemes you'd have to implement Sisko for helping to assassinate that ambassador in order to cause the Romulans to join them in the war...this would of saved them from being conquered later once they where alone, but the idea of a star fleet officer acting like a ROmulan to get the help of the Romulans made my jaw drop...especially after all those years of watching Picard dictate morals and rules of star fleet, refusing to break any of them, well maybe not the prime directive, but you get what I mean.
But on that note, DS9 is for the misfits of star fleet, they kinda get away with anything out there. its like they dont even act like star fleet sometimes...
So basically their problem was that they were identical to every single other Star TRek film except TMP and TVH? All of them are relatively uninspired action films. The only one that captures any of the nuance of the shows is TUC, the rest don't have any time to put any thoughtfulness into them because they're two hours long. The 'edginess' and lack of professionalism is only present in Kirk (who grew up with a implied abusive step father in this timeline) and Uhura (because we can't have professional female characters anymore). All the others acted exactly like their prime timeline counterparts but younger. And the only downside to the Enterprise is the attempted scrimping on budget by filming in buildings for the interiors.
BEY is a great film, it's up there with TUC and FC.
Legally it will be extended. It is counter productive and a dilution of any brand to allow other content creators to interfear with it.
It's exactly the same concept as the Mirror Universe. It allows for an exploration of 'what if'. Far more interesting that what we ended up with by VGR and their boring space magic.
Hmm, it's bad when I do it to you but good when you do it to JJ Abrams? Okay then.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I made fun of Abrams back then for being clumsy with how he handled the star trek films, your not paying to see my work. So you should have no reason police my criticism of some aspects of a product that I didnt like. Given your past comments, its kinda forward of you finger point about another's fan criticism. lol, now "shh"
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
No. Giving somebody a insulting nickname is a personal attack. You can call it 'making fun' or insulting or what ever you like, it's still a personal attack you feel free to dish out but can't handle being on the receiving end of.
I think that's me he's telling to 'shh' not you.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I was trying to be light hearted about it, but Im asking you both not to go off topic, talk all you want about the post discussion. If you need to argue the Jarjar joke, make a new thread.
Point of order, they used Odo to transmit their bioweapon back in season 4 ("Broken Link" was the last time any changelings from the Alpha Quadrant came into physical contact with the Great Link), over a year before the Dominion even invaded Cardassia. It wasn't a response, it was a preeemptive strike. And I would point out that victory over the Dominion was achieved through conventional military means, the peace and stopping the genocide of the Cardassians being achieved by curing it.
The "necessary evil" that Section 31 purports to perform was already taken by Ron Moore's creation of Starfleet Intelligence. Section 31 are just a politically-connected ultranationalist terrorist group in DS9; it wasn't until ENT and Into Darkness that they got retconned into somehow being the good guys.
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Or John deLancie Q is the most evil.
FINALLY someone else says it too!
Really got sick of people going "It destroys everything", when THEY FRAKKIN' TELL US ITS AN ALTERNATE REALITY RIGHT IN THE FRAKKIN' MOVIE!
*passes out*
My view of them actually came from STO missions involving them, i didnt know they came from the series until later. I remember Section 31 trying to recruit you in the game, and the main face for them (i forget his name) using you to fight things like the Devidians. So my perceptions of them where like the the characters from "True Lies" movie. So its true, i viewed them as the good guys once they said section 31. I guess thats why i excused their means... ^^;
As they say... the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
good point
And long time no see catstar! How ya been?
doing well, thank you. IM writing a new book, ive gotten away from childrens books and began to move on to trying my hand at other genres.
I agree that the new star trek movie are base on a new universe but that is it. First time i saw the new JJ Star trek for me it was another Mirror universe nothing more nothing less.
Actually, while the Kelvin timeline is basically an alternate universe, it's creation does, supposedly, start with changes that occur in the prime universe. Sure, that only has any particular effect on any future prime universe content set after Nemesis that would; a) include Spock, who wouldn't be usable now anyway, or b) the Romulans, who were already in turmoil after Nemesis which would require they reform their government anyway, so having them relocate to another planet is no problem.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
The collapse of the entire government may have done that anyway, so what difference does it make? They're in turmoil, some other person took control and set up a government of their own. Same difference, just worse.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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thats how Dukat felt too...
^lol Neris