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[Video] - The Duplicate T'Nae Explained
thedoctorbluebox
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Hey guys, after playing "Survivor" I wanted to get to the bottom of why there are 2 T'Nae's, thanks to the wonderful feedback on my playthrough of "Survivor" everyone reminded me this originates from the mission "Temporal Ambassador." I therefore set out to replay this mission with the goal if pinpointing the moment and reasoning for why there is a second T'Nae. In this video I talk a lot about it, and figure it all out. At the end of the video I go into great detail, and even bring up a continuity error regarding Tasha Yar I don't think anyone has picked up on just yet. It's a long vid, but a good watch with a lot of info.
https://youtu.be/G3pcS2r5UNE
BTW, if you have not seen my playthrough of "Survivor" you can check that out as well, it's a very very long video, but I take my time and explore the storyline in-depth, in fact you'll probably want to watch this one first, before the one above.
https://youtu.be/tNj7YzdA0Lc
I'm probably going to have a third video, going over this continuity error I discovered, now that we have some solid dates, my theory holds true, and brings up more questions.
Have fun everyone!
-Brent Justice
https://youtu.be/G3pcS2r5UNEBTW, if you have not seen my playthrough of "Survivor" you can check that out as well, it's a very very long video, but I take my time and explore the storyline in-depth, in fact you'll probably want to watch this one first, before the one above.
https://youtu.be/tNj7YzdA0LcI'm probably going to have a third video, going over this continuity error I discovered, now that we have some solid dates, my theory holds true, and brings up more questions.
Have fun everyone!
-Brent Justice
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I haven't seen the videos but episodes dealing in time travel create new timelines (Parallels, Yesterdays Enterprise, that TOS one with the woman getting run over, Endgame, the Kelvin Timeline etc.).
Alternate universe are limited to basically the Mirror Universe (its existence is independent of the Prime Universe) though even that universe might have its own alternate timelines (depending on how over-complicated you want to make the cloaking situation)
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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That would be a parallel universe, not a new timeline. Although I suppose both terms could be applied ...
They've never been called either a universe or a timeline until the Kelvin Timeline (as it's official name obviously, in story they called it a Alternate Reality which confuses everything) so you can extrapolate the difference between a universe and a timeline based on that and the Mirror Universe. The former is formed from a change in the Prime Timeline, the latter exists independently.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I personally get the feeling Survivor/alt T'Nae is one of those temporal linchpins; namely while they covertly sorted out Yars bubbles (after all, all they need do is reintergrate the two Tashas... theres nothing to say they can't create a clone (likely the younger Tasha, if they reintegrated the prenatal Tasha into the Survivor Tasha, there would be no memories to recall then simply placed a cloned Tasha into their mother... which my guess is how they 'solve' any other bubble issues - its simply as T'Nae (present) is in a position of power, they reintegrate adults into each other as the knowledge of T'Nae having undergone this would serve dividends in the future as they'd have an ally who trusts them)) they left T'Naes for a machevellian purpose.
From the looks of the end sequence of Survivor, it is a linchpin moment that will have an effect down the temporal line
Of course, this does mean the temporal agents are implicit in leaving T'Nae, Tasha and the rest to die in a temporally distorted hellhole, deciding not to rescue them despite knowing they were there (and taking Tasha off the planet to perform the integration); but as we've seen prior; maintaining the timeline is more important than such things to them (and Walker was duped too, come to think of it as the temporal distortions would have to have been concealed by higher ups until the right time, which also could explain why Tasha and T'Nae were left on the C... the sensors simply had been made to not see them)
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Reading this ...
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Quantum_reality
How do we know the place the Ent-C ended up wasn't its own universe?
Because there's nothing to sudgest it was pre-existing.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Likewise could be said for the Mirror Universe when it was a single ToS episode.
It was clear that the Mirror Universe existed prior to the ion storm making it a separate universe. It was not started by the ion storm (which would have made it a timeline). You can tell because there a history, a past that the prime characters react to. In a Mirror Darkly goes even further showing that MU is a separate universe by showing the entire divergent history.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Well that's mostly my point. If we ever find an actual point of divergence then I'd rethink my terminology (because what then would be the difference between the Mirror Universe and the Kelvin Timeline?) but I think the point of showing it going at least back to the 1700s was a way of making it clear to the audience that it wasn't a simple matter of something happening in the warp era wasn't responsible as was the case in, say AGT or Endgame. Those timelines diverge only from the point of divergence and not before and can only be entered at the point they exist whereas the Mirror Universe has a history and can be entered across its timeline (as the Defiant did).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Maybe Captain Walker's is suppose to make that mistake. T'Nae (present) in a position of power is not suppose to have the reintegrated knowledge yet because we have to mess up(Temporal Ambasaddor) and later clean up the mess(Survivor). Once we clean up then the T'Nae can be intregrated.
Something along the lines of Kal Dano and the Tox Uthat.