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new season is temporal???

xayssxayss Member Posts: 391 Arc User
edited April 2017 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10457263-"ripples" i read this blog form what i read is all about of temporal incursion again
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,667 Community Moderator
    No... we still got the Tzenkethi going on right now, and the mystery of those crystals. I think this is a bit of a one off tie in to the earlier STO episode Temporal Ambassador.
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  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    Great, it's headache time again..... :s
    Guess it's time to restock my choclate milk now.
  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    They haven't ended the Daniel and Nah'kul story arc yet, that one is in limbo.
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  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited April 2017
    stark2k wrote: »
    They haven't ended the Daniel and Nah'kul story arc yet, that one is in limbo.

    How is that not concluded? Noye got captured, the spehre builders got their butts kicked and the other factions either got defeated for good in other eras (like the nakhul in ENT) or retreated with their tails between their legs like the terrans.
    While it's still technically going (sometime, somewhere) on we've also technically "won" the temporal war. Srsly that's pretty much one of the most "finished" arc conlusion we have.

    Stuff that's really left in plot-limbo is:
    tholians; everything
    Sela and the dominion; which hopefully ends sooner than later
    T'ket; vowed revenge only to be never seen again
    Tzenkethi; just got introduced, no real development yet
    Vaadwaur; the last we heard of them they were in some kind of civil war, maybe there's hostile, maybe not
    Voth; pretty much the same as with the Tholians
    etc.


  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    And Daniel? Is he not the main villain?
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    you didnt really think they'd throw away cheap as hell star trek actors and plot gimmicks did you?
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    That link is broken so unfortunately I do have to say I have no idea what you're talking about.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited April 2017
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    you didnt really think they'd throw away cheap as hell star trek actors and plot gimmicks did you?

    This gimmick brought us All Good Things, First Contact, City at the Edge of Forever, Voyage Home, Broken Bow, Time's Arrow, Tapestry, ect., ect. ect. Time travel is an integral part of Star Trek. You might never learn to love it, but at least learn to live with it (such that we can have this subject come up without unnatural groaning.)

    seriousdave wrote: »
    Stuff that's really left in plot-limbo is:
    tholians; everything
    Sela and the dominion; which hopefully ends sooner than later
    T'ket; vowed revenge only to be never seen again
    Tzenkethi; just got introduced, no real development yet
    Vaadwaur; the last we heard of them they were in some kind of civil war, maybe there's hostile, maybe not
    Voth; pretty much the same as with the Tholians
    etc.

    What about K-13? Unless that arc was tied up in the fiction blogs, my bet is that "Survivor" isn't only referring to Sela.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    you didnt really think they'd throw away cheap as hell star trek actors and plot gimmicks did you?

    This gimmick brought us All Good Things, First Contact, City at the Edge of Forever, Voyage Home, Broken Bow, Time's Arrow, Tapestry, ect., ect. ect. Time travel is an integral part of Star Trek. You might never learn to love it, but at least learn to live with it (such that we can have this subject come up without unnatural groaning.)

    I wasn't referring to the temporal aspect, tho I can see why you'd read it that way. I was referring to the trope of 'ebil villainess escapes yet again' since Crosby aint exactly flooded with acting jobs, and because of 'timey whimey' we can reuse Daniels ad infinitum in a similar manner.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited April 2017
    kodachikuno wrote: »

    I wasn't referring to the temporal aspect, tho I can see why you'd read it that way. I was referring to the trope of 'ebil villainess escapes yet again' since Crosby aint exactly flooded with acting jobs, and because of 'timey whimey' we can reuse Daniels ad infinitum in a similar manner.

    Or that Sela's arc wasn't finished (from a narrative point of view) and the coming episode has a justified opportunity to continue things on from midnight. It's grumbling either way, play the episode and if the cameos were completely arbitrary then complain about it. At the moment, it's at least highly speculative and very suspect.

    BTW, why are you presuming Sela has escaped from anywhere? The announcement blog suggests that she's basically gone exile.
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10455803-featured-episode:-survivor
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    The only things in that list that aren't really complete, or are in limbo, are Sela/The Dominion, and the Tzenekthi. The Tzenkethi are obviously the current badguys, so they aren't done yet. And Sela is a game spanning story of redemption thats seemingly coming to a close soon.

    Cryptic tends to leave at least one plate spinning with every arc. Even if they never plan on continuing it, the facet preserves some amount of complication that players can project onto (for a sense of a deeper universe, we can imagine things are still happening.) So yeah, beyond the Sela, Tzenkethi, Lukari, and mystery crystals/pod people eggs I don't think we can accurately guess what's next based on what hasn't been completely resolved yet.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    seriousdave wrote: »
    Stuff that's really left in plot-limbo is:
    tholians; everything
    Sela and the dominion; which hopefully ends sooner than later
    T'ket; vowed revenge only to be never seen again
    Tzenkethi; just got introduced, no real development yet
    Vaadwaur; the last we heard of them they were in some kind of civil war, maybe there's hostile, maybe not
    Voth; pretty much the same as with the Tholians
    etc.
    -I would disagree that the Tholians are in plot limbo. Their plot has been steadily expanded upon since they were added in the Nukara stuff, and as the current state of the game, theres enough information that we can reasonably guess their motives.

    -T'Ket was word of god confirmed to be left alive to explain why the Iconian PVE queues still run even though the war is over. She is infrequently attacking Qo'nos every now and again, and her attacks are mentioned during the Future Proof arc. She just isn't much of a threat by herself.

    -Vaadwaur are no longer in a civil war. With the death of Gaul, the remaining Vaadwaur joined Eldex. We are told in "Dust to Dust" that ever since Eldex took over, the Vaadwaur have stopped their campaign of conquest, but aren't cooperating with the Delta alliance, and are mostly sticking to themselves.

    -The Voth are equally not in plot limbo either. The Voth's actions were caused by the war with the Borg, a war they lost, which was compounded by their losses to the Alpha Quadrant Alliance, the Delta Alliance, the Undine, and the Vaadwaur. With all these losses, as well as the pacification of the Undine and Vaadwaur, as well as the near total destruction of the Borg, the Voth went back to tier space and are basically just chilling.

    The only things in that list that aren't really complete, or are in limbo, are Sela/The Dominion, and the Tzenekthi. The Tzenkethi are obviously the current badguys, so they aren't done yet. And Sela is a game spanning story of redemption thats seemingly coming to a close soon.

    There is the Children of Khan with James Fadi Mahra that escaped Facility 4028. Although, it needs a push to even get into plot-limbo.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,007 Community Moderator
    There's speculation that the temporal event in question from the blog is related to the alternate universe T'Nae being left on board the Enterprise-C when we rescued it in "Temporal Ambassador".
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  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,564 Arc User
    darthmeow504 wrote: »
    seriousdave wrote: »
    T'ket; vowed revenge only to be never seen again

    T'ket vowed revenge on the very day Iconia was destroyed, and it took her 200,000 years to get around to it. That's how we got the Iconian War. Surely, Tket plans to continue her vendetta... any century now, she means it!​​

    And she would have gotten away with it to if it weren't for those annoying bridge officer kids and their pesky dog of a captain too!
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    There is the Children of Khan with James Fadi Mahra that escaped Facility 4028. Although, it needs a push to even get into plot-limbo.
    ^^^
    That's been in Limbo since the first STO closed-beta back in 2009. Hell, we have more of a chance of getting a storyline mission/series based on the old "Where's Sulu" trope/joke that started back in the 2009 STO closed beta as well. :|
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »

    I wasn't referring to the temporal aspect, tho I can see why you'd read it that way. I was referring to the trope of 'ebil villainess escapes yet again' since Crosby aint exactly flooded with acting jobs, and because of 'timey whimey' we can reuse Daniels ad infinitum in a similar manner.

    Or that Sela's arc wasn't finished (from a narrative point of view) and the coming episode has a justified opportunity to continue things on from midnight. It's grumbling either way, play the episode and if the cameos were completely arbitrary then complain about it. At the moment, it's at least highly speculative and very suspect.

    BTW, why are you presuming Sela has escaped from anywhere? The announcement blog suggests that she's basically gone exile.
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10455803-featured-episode:-survivor

    The only reason Sela's arc ISN'T finished is because of this exact thing... she magically escapes via iconian kidnap... she magically escapes maxmum security prison... she magically escapes by not coming through the gate at the same time as the rest of us.. she magically escapes because no one bothers to shoot her arrest her before they party....
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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »

    I wasn't referring to the temporal aspect, tho I can see why you'd read it that way. I was referring to the trope of 'ebil villainess escapes yet again' since Crosby aint exactly flooded with acting jobs, and because of 'timey whimey' we can reuse Daniels ad infinitum in a similar manner.

    Or that Sela's arc wasn't finished (from a narrative point of view) and the coming episode has a justified opportunity to continue things on from midnight. It's grumbling either way, play the episode and if the cameos were completely arbitrary then complain about it. At the moment, it's at least highly speculative and very suspect.

    BTW, why are you presuming Sela has escaped from anywhere? The announcement blog suggests that she's basically gone exile.
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10455803-featured-episode:-survivor

    The only reason Sela's arc ISN'T finished is because of this exact thing... she magically escapes via iconian kidnap... she magically escapes maxmum security prison... she magically escapes by not coming through the gate at the same time as the rest of us.. she magically escapes because no one bothers to shoot her arrest her before they party....

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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    The only reason Sela's arc ISN'T finished is because of this exact thing... she magically escapes via iconian kidnap... she magically escapes maxmum security prison... she magically escapes by not coming through the gate at the same time as the rest of us.. she magically escapes because no one bothers to shoot her arrest her before they party....
    Methinks someone doesn't know what magic is.

    -She escapes the first time because the Iconians kidnapped her to try to either brainwash her to get her to join their side, so that they could control the Romulan people, or, failing that, keep her removed from power by holding her so that the remnants of the Romulan Star Empire fall apart again, making them unable to resist the Iconians in any way.

    -She escapes the second time by exploiting inhumane treatment laws to get a PADD, which she uses to hack into the Romulan Republic security network in the prison and teleport herself out.(Nor was she in a maximum security Prison like Facility 4028)

    -She escapes the third time because she wisely set the Iconian gateway to get herself somewhere else.

    -She escapes the fourth time because no one cared about her since she literally wasn't important at that point.

    Nothing about this is magic, and Picard, Kirk, Janeway, Sisko, and Archer, have escaped more situations, and done more technobabble stuff to get out of situations, then Sela has. For a major Trek villain, Sela is actually remarkably bad at not getting caught.

    the "magic" involved here is the writer obsession with having her avoid a disruptor to the face.

    also she used the PADD to hack the borg nanites in Gaius, if that aint some BS space magic...
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    The only reason Sela's arc ISN'T finished is because of this exact thing... she magically escapes via iconian kidnap... she magically escapes maxmum security prison... she magically escapes by not coming through the gate at the same time as the rest of us.. she magically escapes because no one bothers to shoot her arrest her before they party....
    Methinks someone doesn't know what magic is.

    -She escapes the first time because the Iconians kidnapped her to try to either brainwash her to get her to join their side, so that they could control the Romulan people, or, failing that, keep her removed from power by holding her so that the remnants of the Romulan Star Empire fall apart again, making them unable to resist the Iconians in any way.

    -She escapes the second time by exploiting inhumane treatment laws to get a PADD, which she uses to hack into the Romulan Republic security network in the prison and teleport herself out.(Nor was she in a maximum security Prison like Facility 4028)

    -She escapes the third time because she wisely set the Iconian gateway to get herself somewhere else.

    -She escapes the fourth time because no one cared about her since she literally wasn't important at that point.

    Nothing about this is magic, and Picard, Kirk, Janeway, Sisko, and Archer, have escaped more situations, and done more technobabble stuff to get out of situations, then Sela has. For a major Trek villain, Sela is actually remarkably bad at not getting caught.

    the "magic" involved here is the writer obsession with having her avoid a disruptor to the face.

    also she used the PADD to hack the borg nanites in Gaius, if that aint some BS space magic...
    No more BS than the space magic we do all the time.

    But really, whoever gave her a PADD with working wi-fi should be put in the cell in her place.
  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    the "magic" involved here is the writer obsession with having her avoid a disruptor to the face.

    also she used the PADD to hack the borg nanites in Gaius, if that aint some BS space magic...
    The term is "contrived". It's contrived to the point that credulity is lost and we leave the story to directly confront the the writer with "Really? Really now?".

    Hopefully, Sela will get some cliched redemption, go into self-imposed exile, and we will never have to deal with the character again.
  • sirboulevardsirboulevard Member Posts: 722 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    the "magic" involved here is the writer obsession with having her avoid a disruptor to the face.

    also she used the PADD to hack the borg nanites in Gaius, if that aint some BS space magic...
    The term is "contrived". It's contrived to the point that credulity is lost and we leave the story to directly confront the the writer with "Really? Really now?".

    Hopefully, Sela will get some cliched redemption, go into self-imposed exile, and we will never have to deal with the character again.

    Yes, its totally contrived that the woman who is responsible for Gaius' implants in the first place (he was a Tal Shiar experiment after all) would have a backdoor in them, even when she mentions she always has a backdoor in her projects.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    stark2k wrote: »
    They haven't ended the Daniel and Nah'kul story arc yet, that one is in limbo.
    Except they did end it.

    The Na'Kuhl got their homeworld back after the ENT-J used the super charged Tox Uthat to reignite the Na'Kuhl star.

    Na'Kuhl are even shown as being members of the Federation in the far future.

    I am not sure what game it is you are playing, but that did not happen in STO.
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    anazonda wrote: »
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    stark2k wrote: »
    They haven't ended the Daniel and Nah'kul story arc yet, that one is in limbo.
    Except they did end it.

    The Na'Kuhl got their homeworld back after the ENT-J used the super charged Tox Uthat to reignite the Na'Kuhl star.

    Na'Kuhl are even shown as being members of the Federation in the far future.

    I am not sure what game it is you are playing, but that did not happen in STO.

    I assure you that it did.

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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    the "magic" involved here is the writer obsession with having her avoid a disruptor to the face.

    also she used the PADD to hack the borg nanites in Gaius, if that aint some BS space magic...
    Except we saw in Voyager, and at least once in TNG IIRC, that several species have developed means to infect and hijack borg technology/drones/implants.

    That isn't uncommon in the slightest, especially in STO, which is set decades after Voyager returned to the Federation, and shared all the information they learned, and where there is an entire mission detailing how Federation scientists developed a cure for the Borg nanovirus and could un-assimilate entire worlds if dispersed correctly.

    What Sela did is literal child's play to the stuff that the real Cooper developed.

    ok go take a kindle fire and hack the NSA, I'll wait.... cause thats about what she did
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