well, they buffed leech a (very) small amount - it now stacks 10 times instead of 8 and additionally stacks with MACO Shield's Power Conduit Link once again
Wait, wut?! I thought it didn't stack with MACO Shield's Power Conduit Link at all?! Very confused now. So they buffed the nerf? or just broke the nerf? LOL.
[*] The Plasmonic Leech now stacks up to 10 times
[*] The Plasmonic Leech self-buff now stacks with the Power Conduit Link proc found on the M.A.C.O. Resilient Shield Array and Adapted K.H.G. Resilient Shield Array
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[*] The Plasmonic Leech now stacks up to 10 times
[*] The Plasmonic Leech self-buff now stacks with the Power Conduit Link proc found on the M.A.C.O. Resilient Shield Array and Adapted K.H.G. Resilient Shield Array
Thanks for the info!
But what is this I see here?! Adapted K.H.G. Resilient Shield Array gets the PCL, and not the Adapted MACO? (I mean, the latter never had it to begin with, but why would the Adapted KDF variant get it?)
[*] The Plasmonic Leech now stacks up to 10 times
[*] The Plasmonic Leech self-buff now stacks with the Power Conduit Link proc found on the M.A.C.O. Resilient Shield Array and Adapted K.H.G. Resilient Shield Array
So now it stacks again and up to 10? so +30 power. Use to stack up to 8 times? assuming +3 per stack... with max drain skill with no consoles or other equip that gives drain skill... that would be +2 per stack. Would be nice if they stack with borg shields again...
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I kinda doubt the lowest tiers of damage dealers were stacking Embassy consoles . They won't feel that pinch at all.
You're right, but from what I've heard last night, it looks to be pretty severe.
Everything that follows is supposedly getting hit;
Temporal+Strat+Intel spec
OSS
Torp abilities
Leech
Drains
Crowd Control Holds
Subsystem power stacking via leetch/supremacy/aux2batt/Siphon
Subsystem weapon damage bonus
Go Down Fighting/Alpha and Traits involving their use
Embassy consoles
Reseach Console
Fire at Will
Feedback pulse
Weapons Haste
This is not even a comprehensive list, its only what I heard last night.
There's going to be a lot of angry space barbies running around when this goes live. If DPS'er are mad, well, what can I say, that anger is probably misplaced. They'll still be able to complete queues in relatively the same amount of time with a little juggling of gear.
While you or I may think everything on that list is an appropriate target (I honestly do), don't underestimate how many bad players rely on at least 1 or 2 of those gimmicks to get by.
I think it's going to turn off a lot newer/casual players imho.
I'll enjoy the change but they won't.
They'll leave.
I can't see how this balance pass is going to make things magically more fun for the player in general. I just don't see it.
Players will still get afk'd.
Content will still be completed in minutes when there's better players on the team.
Content will still fail (and more often) for PUGs in general.
Content will suddenly become 20% more difficult for the general population across the board - if not more.
So I can't predict the future I might be wrong. But you can bet money on seeing a forum *&^%storm the likes we haven't seen since DR. Though not as severe since half the population left after DR.
Better Brace for Impact.
(Not that we Hotshot types care about the common player having a good time )
this all seems to be prep work for pushing pvp on consoles..
See, here's the thing. The human brain -- especially that of a game Dev -- is simply prone to misinterpreting statistical data. A Dev sees something being used by nearly everyone, and then concludes it must therefore be OP. Wrong! Why, you ask? Several reasons. Allow me to illustrate the simplest one first (caveat: here cometh an Internet car analogy).
1) Saying Leech is overpowered, is like saying gasoline is OP, because, OMG, nearly ever car build uses it! So, that's the first mistake: confusing *vital* with OP. Gasoline is as vital to a car as DrainX-boosted power levels are to a ship. And yes, everyone wants power, and nearly everyone uses the Leech. And, no, the latter is not therefore OP.
2) Humans always seek the optimum. Therefore, it's a fallacy to think that if you remove popular item X, that you have then somehow magically removed the game's alleged OP-ness. Why, you ask? Because there's always the next new meta. Clever heads will simply figure out again what works best together, and that will be the new 'OP-ness' then from there on in. And the Dev, even more frustrated now, will restart his destructive cycle anew.
And that's why metrics are evil: they are always showing you what you 'think' is OP-ness, but which really isn't.
3) Every game needs items which are better/more pupular than others. If it weren't so -- and a certain Dev is merrily on his way to 'ground-zero' *everything* -- then you'll have nothing left to strive for. Some there be that will try and sell this condition as a good thing, allowing for more 'variety' and all that. Wrong! Why, you ask? Because if playstyle X is as good as playstyle Y, then -- unless I already possess everything needed for Y, I won't go out of my way to try and obtain/buy the equipment for Y. It will not result in ppl suddenly swapping out playstyles like crazy. Rather, it will just lead to stagnation. Let's take DrainX as an example. It used to be great for many purposes, so ppl were willing to invest (and often heavily) in getting the gear required to make good use of it. Or partgens. But now, after the Desolation of Bort, why would they? What would be the incentive? If everything is being made as 'meh' as everything else, only the Elite will still have fun, still doing several hundred K somehow. The rest will just be severely underperforming, not have fun, and have no viable strive-path left to pursue, as everything they can buy will now have a 'Made in Shi Tpa Town' label on it.
See, here's the thing. The human brain -- especially that of a game Dev -- is simply prone to misinterpreting statistical data. A Dev sees something being used by nearly everyone, and then concludes it must therefore be OP. Wrong! Why, you ask? Several reasons. Allow me to illustrate the simplest one first (caveat: here cometh an Internet car analogy).
1) Saying Leech is overpowered, is like saying gasoline is OP, because, OMG, nearly ever car build uses it!
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That is neither true (Nissan and Tesla would like to have a word with you) nor a fitting analgoy. Plasmonic Leech was always so dumbly overpowered when compared to the rest of the game that after this extremely major nerf it is STILL close to being overpowered!
Wasn't OP at all. Leech was initially made for KDF, to overcome their innate BoP power shortage. It was, so to speak, in acknowledgment to KDF (and later Rom) *needing* the extra power.
I agree with @coldnapalm and keep the thing slotted. There simply aren't that many alternatives for the power you get despite the nerf.
Well...actually, energy siphon is back to 30 seconds again...which makes for a decent enough replacement for it. That said, thew new power consoles gives you 10 to one system. This one gives you 7.5 to all of them. That is still in the really good range for me. Like try and find 10 better ones to use instead and you will be hard pressed good. On tribble, I ended up keeping it after all and dropped a console that costs 10 times as much as PL does now...because power is important...even with siphon to help. And espcially since I have a lot of sci powers that need aux. Kinda hard to live on 15 shield and engine....
Cool thx 4 info about energy siphon. Had already ruled it out but now see it back on my rom.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Why do I need the Leech? Because I need tons of power. Why do I needs tons of power? Because I want to up my DPS to stratospheric heights. Why do I need my DPS up at stratospheric heights? Because I want to ROLF-stomp the content so I can finish it, in effect, right after it starts. [And to see my name up in lights, too].
I love this quote from 'Forbidden Planet'
'Doc Ostrow: The total potential here must be nothing less than astronomical. Dr. Edward Morbius: Nothing less. The number 10 raised almost literally to the power of infinity.'
So we can keep eating our tails, or chasing it, or continue to run on the hamster wheel, or whatever hyperbole you want.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Ok so easy way to increase power levels would be to use leech and borg shields together... those shields are bleeh these days thou so your giving up something for it...
Ok so easy way to increase power levels would be to use leech and borg shields together... those shields are bleeh these days thou so your giving up something for it...
No easy way is to run PL and energy siphon. Yeah you will have like a 7-9 second downtime...but that isn't THAT bad since the energy takes about 2-3 seconds to drain out too...so it's more like 4-7 seconds.
Do you even need shields when you pretty much hull tank in any situation these days? The Shields are place and forget...where as you need to take up a Sci slot that is better used for something else. (If your so worried you can tank a extra shield or hull heal)
Glad to hear this come out of the mouth of someone not me. Because I was beginning to think I was the only one. Seems all I'm hearing is, "We, the Elite, talked it over, and we're very happy with it!" Well, I'm not (neither part of the Elite, nor happy with it). A moderate nerf to Leech would have been acceptable; even a bigger one: capping it at +6, however, was absurd as it is; but to then think "Hmm, what more could ppl possibly be using to get their power levels back up? Ooo, Energy Siphon! Let me quickly go and kill that too!", that's just downright vindictive.
Meanwhile, the Elite is talking about how the rest of us should just go back to the 10% rule. Yeah, laugh it up, folks. But soon enough, when the full extent of Bort's desolation has become apparent to everyone, the vast majority of the playerbase will be stuck with having to overcome some very spiteful nerfs; and all because a certain someone didn't get his way last year.
There are a lot of good changes, but there are also nerfs that came out of nowhere.
1) No one ever complained about the drain aspect of subsystem targeting and that got knocked down hard in favor of the disable aspect.
2) Plasmonic leech didn't need a complete lack of scaling for the buff. A bit extreme, but changing it +1 plus 1 every 500 drain skill (It's +1 every 100 right now) would have scaled it back enough that most players would have been hit hard, because the DPS centric folk wouldn't have given up their tac slots for more drain or their precious Iconian set, while drain science boats would still get a decent benefit. Not a fan of the debuff change either. Frankly, there is no way I can be 100% sure its performance now is the same as it used to be because of whatever bug was found there. I half suspect there was some nerf added there too.
FYI - I tested. Siphon was left alone. I still get my 30sec cooldown with my 3 deflector doffs. Still now cool how the Aux scaling change last time reduced the up time by 3-4 seconds, but that's old news.
2) Plasmonic leech didn't need a complete lack of scaling for the buff. A bit extreme, but changing it +1 plus 1 every 500 drain skill (It's +1 every 100 right now) would have scaled it back enough that most players would have been hit hard, because the DPS centric folk wouldn't have given up their tac slots for more drain or their precious Iconian set, while drain science boats would still get a decent benefit.
I dunno. 1 power per every 500 seems a might extreme too. One every 200 would already constitute a 100% nerf (which, in game mechanics, boils down to 50%).
Thing just is, DrainX should not be killed outright. Even if its power drain scales less, that would still be acceptable. But blanketly rendering all DrainX gear 100% ineffective for surplus drain, that's just unpalatable.
FYI - I tested. Siphon was left alone. I still get my 30sec cooldown with my 3 deflector doffs. Still now cool how the Aux scaling change last time reduced the up time by 3-4 seconds, but that's old news.
I read somewhere it was on a 45 sec cd first, but that brought it back to 30 again. Who knows, maybe someone out there listens, after all.
I personally feel both Plasmonic Leech & the Embassy fleet plasma explosive consoles should be removed from the game. Any in existence should be made utterly ineffective upon the change. Making them vendor trash. This will end the balance sqabbles and allow all to begin from square 1.
This is in response to simply nerfing something to 95% ineffectiveness - Just remove them entirely - Problem solved.
Or, make the affect of plasmonic leech a buff and make it cleansible by enemies. Then also make it stack to a max of 3 or so buffs. then it can only do 6-18 all energy systems based on how far you stack drain.
it already IS a buff that's strippable...the two problems, though, are NPC enemies have little to no buff-stripping capability, and even if they did, the stacks would all replenish as soon as the next volley hits
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
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Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
What if it had a 5-15 second timer after being stripped before being reapplied or something similar?
In face the timer could be for each stack. 5 second timer to reapply per stack removed.
Then start making the NPC's more intelligent and stop basing them on overpowered attacks and massive HP pools... That might solve alot of the problem. If not all of it. They can be made more difficult if they fight well.
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Wait, wut?! I thought it didn't stack with MACO Shield's Power Conduit Link at all?! Very confused now. So they buffed the nerf? or just broke the nerf? LOL.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Thanks for the info!
But what is this I see here?! Adapted K.H.G. Resilient Shield Array gets the PCL, and not the Adapted MACO? (I mean, the latter never had it to begin with, but why would the Adapted KDF variant get it?)
So now it stacks again and up to 10? so +30 power. Use to stack up to 8 times? assuming +3 per stack... with max drain skill with no consoles or other equip that gives drain skill... that would be +2 per stack. Would be nice if they stack with borg shields again...
also, the adapted MACO shields get it because it's the KDF version of MACO (which, until the adapted sets were created, klingons couldn't get)
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Q : Is the leech useless now
Q : Any reason at all to keep it slotted
this all seems to be prep work for pushing pvp on consoles..
1) Saying Leech is overpowered, is like saying gasoline is OP, because, OMG, nearly ever car build uses it! So, that's the first mistake: confusing *vital* with OP. Gasoline is as vital to a car as DrainX-boosted power levels are to a ship. And yes, everyone wants power, and nearly everyone uses the Leech. And, no, the latter is not therefore OP.
2) Humans always seek the optimum. Therefore, it's a fallacy to think that if you remove popular item X, that you have then somehow magically removed the game's alleged OP-ness. Why, you ask? Because there's always the next new meta. Clever heads will simply figure out again what works best together, and that will be the new 'OP-ness' then from there on in. And the Dev, even more frustrated now, will restart his destructive cycle anew.
And that's why metrics are evil: they are always showing you what you 'think' is OP-ness, but which really isn't.
3) Every game needs items which are better/more pupular than others. If it weren't so -- and a certain Dev is merrily on his way to 'ground-zero' *everything* -- then you'll have nothing left to strive for. Some there be that will try and sell this condition as a good thing, allowing for more 'variety' and all that. Wrong! Why, you ask? Because if playstyle X is as good as playstyle Y, then -- unless I already possess everything needed for Y, I won't go out of my way to try and obtain/buy the equipment for Y. It will not result in ppl suddenly swapping out playstyles like crazy. Rather, it will just lead to stagnation. Let's take DrainX as an example. It used to be great for many purposes, so ppl were willing to invest (and often heavily) in getting the gear required to make good use of it. Or partgens. But now, after the Desolation of Bort, why would they? What would be the incentive? If everything is being made as 'meh' as everything else, only the Elite will still have fun, still doing several hundred K somehow. The rest will just be severely underperforming, not have fun, and have no viable strive-path left to pursue, as everything they can buy will now have a 'Made in Shi Tpa Town' label on it.
Wasn't OP at all. Leech was initially made for KDF, to overcome their innate BoP power shortage. It was, so to speak, in acknowledgment to KDF (and later Rom) *needing* the extra power.
I agree with @coldnapalm and keep the thing slotted. There simply aren't that many alternatives for the power you get despite the nerf.
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Cool thx 4 info about energy siphon. Had already ruled it out but now see it back on my rom.
Looking for a fun PvE fleet? Join us at Omega Combat Division today.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Why do I need the Leech? Because I need tons of power. Why do I needs tons of power? Because I want to up my DPS to stratospheric heights. Why do I need my DPS up at stratospheric heights? Because I want to ROLF-stomp the content so I can finish it, in effect, right after it starts. [And to see my name up in lights, too].
I love this quote from 'Forbidden Planet'
'Doc Ostrow: The total potential here must be nothing less than astronomical.
Dr. Edward Morbius: Nothing less. The number 10 raised almost literally to the power of infinity.'
So we can keep eating our tails, or chasing it, or continue to run on the hamster wheel, or whatever hyperbole you want.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Do you even need shields when you pretty much hull tank in any situation these days? The Shields are place and forget...where as you need to take up a Sci slot that is better used for something else. (If your so worried you can tank a extra shield or hull heal)
There are a lot of good changes, but there are also nerfs that came out of nowhere.
1) No one ever complained about the drain aspect of subsystem targeting and that got knocked down hard in favor of the disable aspect.
2) Plasmonic leech didn't need a complete lack of scaling for the buff. A bit extreme, but changing it +1 plus 1 every 500 drain skill (It's +1 every 100 right now) would have scaled it back enough that most players would have been hit hard, because the DPS centric folk wouldn't have given up their tac slots for more drain or their precious Iconian set, while drain science boats would still get a decent benefit. Not a fan of the debuff change either. Frankly, there is no way I can be 100% sure its performance now is the same as it used to be because of whatever bug was found there. I half suspect there was some nerf added there too.
FYI - I tested. Siphon was left alone. I still get my 30sec cooldown with my 3 deflector doffs. Still now cool how the Aux scaling change last time reduced the up time by 3-4 seconds, but that's old news.
I dunno. 1 power per every 500 seems a might extreme too. One every 200 would already constitute a 100% nerf (which, in game mechanics, boils down to 50%).
Thing just is, DrainX should not be killed outright. Even if its power drain scales less, that would still be acceptable. But blanketly rendering all DrainX gear 100% ineffective for surplus drain, that's just unpalatable.
I read somewhere it was on a 45 sec cd first, but that brought it back to 30 again. Who knows, maybe someone out there listens, after all.
This is in response to simply nerfing something to 95% ineffectiveness - Just remove them entirely - Problem solved.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
In face the timer could be for each stack. 5 second timer to reapply per stack removed.
Then start making the NPC's more intelligent and stop basing them on overpowered attacks and massive HP pools... That might solve alot of the problem. If not all of it. They can be made more difficult if they fight well.