@warmaker001b You callin' me captain oblivious? As if i made up the comparison to the Vorcha?
You could be oblivious not to see the 33 posts drooling and cooing at the Vorcha comparisons. I didnt make it up. Don't go criticizing me for uttering the unspeakable name.
Considering that they're not in the ship yet i expect that they will be released on Thursday (unlikely since that is thanksgiving in the US) or next Friday.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Not next week, Thursday or Friday. Look at the release of the Federation Carrier last year. In fact, we had the same series of questions and speculations about the Carrier last year.
Next week will be the start of the Winter Festival so there will be a ship release as the Winter Grand Prize. Stats Blog and all.
The combo R&D and Upgrade Weekend starts Thursday as well as the end of the Crystalline Event. Friday will be the Black Friday Sale. With all those auto turn-ons and turn-offs of Events, a C-Store release can also show up on Thursday.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The only thing I don't particularly care about is 4/5/2 console layout. Then again, these are sci vessels, and since I'm probably buying just the warbird, I can pretend it's Vesta and beam spam anyway, if I want to.
A bit disappointed they aren't full temporal ships, (another thing only Feds have natively right now) but not disappointed enough to gripe about it.
This kind of layout doesn't bother me at all. I usually only have 2 tac consoles in those slots anyway, the other been universal complementing my build.
As a side note I might not even buy the zen ship and only get the fleet version. I'll most likely never use the console or the trait so why pay twice for an ship I'll use the time it takes to level it
Yeah - to be honest, there are plenty of players who don't use the Tactical console slots on their Sci ships for Tactical consoles at all, and use them to equip universal consoles that improve Sci powers. Most of my builds are set up that way.
Yeah people often over estimate the benefit you get from tac consoles simply because the number makes it look big. +30% damage? WHOOO! Except that it's really more like +3% after you figure out all the bonuses to weapon damage. And if you're not really using them as your main source of damage... why bother?
Two Tac slots (and lack of cannons) on the Naj’sov Research Vessel is a minor thing, but story wise, it does seem interesting that the Varanus Fleet Support Vessel had three and an extra .5 turn. I guess a Fleet Support Vessel is expected to get in a fight a bit more often then a Research Vessel? I guess it kinda makes sense, it would be closer to the front lines?
All in all, though I prefer a higher turn rate sci ship, I am adding at least the Naj'sov to my buy list. Not 100% sold on the whole bundle, my Feds already have gobs of (better) science ships and never a fan of the Nebula look. I am going to have to take a look at Tachyon Beam and decide if the trait is worth it.
Ordinarily I'd agree with you but in this case I think they opened the door to a 5/5 BoP with the D4x lockbox ship.
Plus just look at the Hegh'ta and tell me it doesn't deserve 5/1 weapons and 5 tac consoles. The ship's name literally translates into 'Everlasting death to our enemies.' That's so metal.
There is also the Temporal Raider, available to all factions. It has 5 TAC console slots also and actually a better BOP than the KDF BOPs.
TDG only has one useful place in this game: PVP. Outside that, stealth detection is completely irrelevant in PVE. It's another case of slotting a useless console. That Drain Expertise bonus for the 2pc better be super-amazing-balls for me to slot TDG when I no longer PVP.
It's an universal console. You can put it in an engineering console slot to get the drain bonus.
I think warmaker's been around the block a few times to know what to do with a uni console
The only reason to equip tactical consoles on a science ship is to improve your torpedoes, and even then exotic damage builds are the only place those make sense over other options. Hybrid builds are fine on some ships but totally defeat the point IMO. If you're gonna science then science.
The only reason to equip tactical consoles on a science ship is to improve your torpedoes, and even then exotic damage builds are the only place those make sense over other options. Hybrid builds are fine on some ships but totally defeat the point IMO. If you're gonna science then science.
On the topic of tactical consoles and science ships, although I don't have a definitive answer, I did build a Harpia the way it was intended, protonic polaron DHC epg sci/tac hybrid using epg/shield+ consoles, and an omni or rear beam for subsystem targeting. In CCA I could take out a recluse within ~4-6 seconds on a Tac captain, followed by a somewhat lengthy cool-down period before being able to repeat it. The somewhat unconventional piloting (full throttle ahead with tbr) and sequence of science alpha strikes with raiding was key. I believe back then we only had intel and pilot for specs too.
The protonic polaron damage never looked impressive on its own, perhaps a pair of such ships (just like a pair of coalition disruptor tacs) would, but the point was even with maybe 3 or even 4 tac console slots used up, it still had plenty of survival and exotic damage to achieve that and in a T5U using dyson set of course. My characters are also not min-maxed for science, but instead super-carefully specced to get the most of tac and sci ships without losing out on essentials of engineering.
Tac console slots are definitely used to promote certain ships, like the Dauntless, Edoulg, Annorax. Like I said, I don't take the time to really test all these ships as it is hard enough to acquire them, but to me science hybrids in the form of experimental ships, sci destroyers, sci dreads end up gimping themselves of their full potential in order to, perhaps from a role play perspective, be capable of dealing conventional weapon damage alongside whatever else it chooses to do (debuff/drain/confuse, CC, exotic dmg, support), or especially be able to do something (boost weapon damage from 6 or 7 weapons) if they do anything science but exotic dmg.
Copied from reddit because it seemed nicely thorough
The Eternal has the same setup as the Sutherland except:
•For the same price, the Eternal has a stat budget between Fleet and Lockbox ships, rather than non-Fleet C-Store tier like the Sutherland: Eternal has a 1.075 hull strength and best-in-game 1.475 shield strength, plus a 11.5°/sec base turn rate (better than the Laeosa).
•The Eternal has full Temporal specialization, with Temporal specialists on the Commander Science officer (Recursive Shearing 3 is ridiculous in a good team) and the Lieutenant Tactical officer as well rather than just the Lt. Commander Engineer.
•The Eternal's full Temporal specialization gives it Molecular Reconstruction and the associated death ray.
•The Eternal has 3 Engineering and 3 Tactical consoles, which is slightly better than 4 Engineering and 2 Tactical from the Fleet Sutherland and its companions.
•The Eternal is a Multi-Mission Science Vessel, entitling it to one hangar bay (that can mount the Epoch fighters exclusive to it and the Chronos) and access to dual cannons (if you so desire).
•The Eternal is part of the 31st Century ship group, giving it access to that console set. The Tactical System Stabilizer from the Ouroboros is great if you're using energy weapons, Causal Anchor is probably better than the Tachyon Particle Field Emitter as a ship signature console, and Chronotachyon Capacitor allows the Eternal to play at Sci-Tank better than most other ships (and includes a heal to compensate for the Taunt of the capacitor's active, then gives a damage boost if you survive the Taunt period).
The Nebula is a bit like the Defiant - it's fully fledged Spec options are more potent, but you fly it because it is canon.
Which suggests to me that the dreaded metrics show Cryptic that canon and power sell. So they give you the option of power or canon to sell more ships?
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
The only thing I don't particularly care about is 4/5/2 console layout. Then again, these are sci vessels, and since I'm probably buying just the warbird, I can pretend it's Vesta and beam spam anyway, if I want to.
A bit disappointed they aren't full temporal ships, (another thing only Feds have natively right now) but not disappointed enough to gripe about it.
This kind of layout doesn't bother me at all. I usually only have 2 tac consoles in those slots anyway, the other been universal complementing my build.
As a side note I might not even buy the zen ship and only get the fleet version. I'll most likely never use the console or the trait so why pay twice for an ship I'll use the time it takes to level it
Yeah - to be honest, there are plenty of players who don't use the Tactical console slots on their Sci ships for Tactical consoles at all, and use them to equip universal consoles that improve Sci powers. Most of my builds are set up that way.
Yeah people often over estimate the benefit you get from tac consoles simply because the number makes it look big. +30% damage? WHOOO! Except that it's really more like +3% after you figure out all the bonuses to weapon damage. And if you're not really using them as your main source of damage... why bother?
True, but it's a bit different with locators/exploiters, and there are a few useful sci sets with tac-only consoles. I still would prefer 3/5/3 as more flexible because of that, but it really isn't a big deal.
Considering that they're not in the ship yet i expect that they will be released on Thursday (unlikely since that is thanksgiving in the US) or next Friday.
Guessing next week to be honest. Was hoping for Thursday as posted elsewhere, but thinking about it, there probably won't be a patch on Thursday (since they did that today) and no patch = no new ships.
@reyan01
I expect the release to be in time for/ coincide with Black Friday. Since the sale past Thanksgiving is sort of a tradition it makes sense that their newest release is available there.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Would have been a Instant buy if it only was a 3Tac /3Eng / 5Sci, or at least a third Tac Console for the Fleet Versions, the way it is i shall sadly pass on them.
Would have been a Instant buy if it only was a 3Tac /3Eng / 5Sci, or at least a third Tac Console for the Fleet Versions, the way it is i shall sadly pass on them.
Why? It's not as if the tactical consoles are the main contributor for the damage..
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Considering that they're not in the ship yet i expect that they will be released on Thursday (unlikely since that is thanksgiving in the US) or next Friday.
Guessing next week to be honest. Was hoping for Thursday as posted elsewhere, but thinking about it, there probably won't be a patch on Thursday (since they did that today) and no patch = no new ships.
@reyan01
I expect the release to be in time for/ coincide with Black Friday. Since the sale past Thanksgiving is sort of a tradition it makes sense that their newest release is available there.
I got my money ready...
Sadly it's the funds I set aside to purchase the Federation T6 Starship Bundle... Maybe I should have just bit the bullet and bent over earlier this year to purchase the "Mega Flagship Bundle" instead of just the KDF T6 Flagship Bundle...
Given this 'Modern' Science Bundle and the Eternal as a cross-Faction Multi-Mission Science Vessel, we are not likely to see a Tier 6 Vesta Bundle anytime soon if at all.
Multi-Mission and 'Modern' have been co-opted by these. What are you going to have a 'Mucho Grande Multi-Mission' 'Even More Modern' T6 Bundle?
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Given this 'Modern' Science Bundle and the Eternal as a cross-Faction Multi-Mission Science Vessel, we are not likely to see a Tier 6 Vesta Bundle anytime soon if at all.
Multi-Mission and 'Modern' have been co-opted by these. What are you going to have a 'Mucho Grande Multi-Mission' 'Even More Modern' T6 Bundle?
There were rumours that there are some copyright/negotiation issues that make T6 Vestas unlikely anytime soon. Much to my disappointment, they're still the nicest-looking ships in the whole game.
If you were talking about 'Mucho Grande' that means very large, very big and you obviously never ate at a Taco Bell.
It was being sarcastic, like where do you go above 'Fleet Admiral'? Of course, that is 'Mucho Grande' Fleet Admiral.
If you weren't speaking about 'Mucho Grande' then well ignore this explanation, though none should have been necessary in the first Place.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Would have been a Instant buy if it only was a 3Tac /3Eng / 5Sci, or at least a third Tac Console for the Fleet Versions, the way it is i shall sadly pass on them.
Why? It's not as if the tactical consoles are the main contributor for the damage..
he's got his own thread whining about how they're not worth buying because he cant do it his way with 3 tac consoles
Just noticed that the T6 nebula is available at the ship vendor, but the science pack is not yet listed.
Not that anyone will purchase it today when a black Friday sale is around the corner.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Just noticed that the T6 nebula is available at the ship vendor, but the science pack is not yet listed.
Not that anyone will purchase it today when a black Friday sale is around the corner.
Seems you can buy the fleet versions at the shipyard but not the regular T6 versions. And none show up in the c-store at all. Very odd.
Just noticed that the T6 nebula is available at the ship vendor, but the science pack is not yet listed.
Not that anyone will purchase it today when a black Friday sale is around the corner.
Seems you can buy the fleet versions at the shipyard but not the regular T6 versions. And none show up in the c-store at all. Very odd.
At the vendor at K13 it showed the regular T6 nebbie. Didn't check for the fleet version.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
I didn't have room for another ship so did not pay too much attention to the price.
Placeholder likelihood has just increased dramatically.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Whenever i hold the cursor over the buy button it says "loading" but never does anything. Clearly its only been half released. I'm guessing it'll be out properly tomorrow.
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You callin' me captain oblivious?
As if i made up the comparison to the Vorcha?
You could be oblivious not to see the 33 posts drooling and cooing at the Vorcha comparisons. I didnt make it up. Don't go criticizing me for uttering the unspeakable name.
dominion set
Next week will be the start of the Winter Festival so there will be a ship release as the Winter Grand Prize. Stats Blog and all.
The combo R&D and Upgrade Weekend starts Thursday as well as the end of the Crystalline Event. Friday will be the Black Friday Sale. With all those auto turn-ons and turn-offs of Events, a C-Store release can also show up on Thursday.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
My character Tsin'xing
All in all, though I prefer a higher turn rate sci ship, I am adding at least the Naj'sov to my buy list. Not 100% sold on the whole bundle, my Feds already have gobs of (better) science ships and never a fan of the Nebula look. I am going to have to take a look at Tachyon Beam and decide if the trait is worth it.
I think warmaker's been around the block a few times to know what to do with a uni console
Just my two cents
The protonic polaron damage never looked impressive on its own, perhaps a pair of such ships (just like a pair of coalition disruptor tacs) would, but the point was even with maybe 3 or even 4 tac console slots used up, it still had plenty of survival and exotic damage to achieve that and in a T5U using dyson set of course. My characters are also not min-maxed for science, but instead super-carefully specced to get the most of tac and sci ships without losing out on essentials of engineering.
Tac console slots are definitely used to promote certain ships, like the Dauntless, Edoulg, Annorax. Like I said, I don't take the time to really test all these ships as it is hard enough to acquire them, but to me science hybrids in the form of experimental ships, sci destroyers, sci dreads end up gimping themselves of their full potential in order to, perhaps from a role play perspective, be capable of dealing conventional weapon damage alongside whatever else it chooses to do (debuff/drain/confuse, CC, exotic dmg, support), or especially be able to do something (boost weapon damage from 6 or 7 weapons) if they do anything science but exotic dmg.
Which suggests to me that the dreaded metrics show Cryptic that canon and power sell. So they give you the option of power or canon to sell more ships?
True, but it's a bit different with locators/exploiters, and there are a few useful sci sets with tac-only consoles. I still would prefer 3/5/3 as more flexible because of that, but it really isn't a big deal.
@reyan01
I expect the release to be in time for/ coincide with Black Friday. Since the sale past Thanksgiving is sort of a tradition it makes sense that their newest release is available there.
Why? It's not as if the tactical consoles are the main contributor for the damage..
I got my money ready...
Sadly it's the funds I set aside to purchase the Federation T6 Starship Bundle... Maybe I should have just bit the bullet and bent over earlier this year to purchase the "Mega Flagship Bundle" instead of just the KDF T6 Flagship Bundle...
Multi-Mission and 'Modern' have been co-opted by these. What are you going to have a 'Mucho Grande Multi-Mission' 'Even More Modern' T6 Bundle?
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
If you were talking about 'Mucho Grande' that means very large, very big and you obviously never ate at a Taco Bell.
It was being sarcastic, like where do you go above 'Fleet Admiral'? Of course, that is 'Mucho Grande' Fleet Admiral.
If you weren't speaking about 'Mucho Grande' then well ignore this explanation, though none should have been necessary in the first Place.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
he's got his own thread whining about how they're not worth buying because he cant do it his way with 3 tac consoles
Not that anyone will purchase it today when a black Friday sale is around the corner.
Seems you can buy the fleet versions at the shipyard but not the regular T6 versions. And none show up in the c-store at all. Very odd.
At the vendor at K13 it showed the regular T6 nebbie. Didn't check for the fleet version.
Placeholder likelihood has just increased dramatically.