Why? It's not as if the tactical consoles are the main contributor for the damage..
The ship trait and console suggest it is meant as drain boat. It's imho either shield/energy drains + torps or an exotic damage built.
If you want torps + drains the 3rd tac console IS a big deal. Of course one can ignore the trait and console and just built it for space magic. 3/5/3 would have been the better and more flexible console layout.
By 'big deal' you mean a third Vulnerability Locator or Exploiter giving 33% cat 1 damage bonus (on a weapon that's already at about 440 cat 1, so a real damage gain of around 7%) and either 2% crtH or 9% CrtD?
'Cause honestly, that sound like the single least important console on the entire ship.
Since this is a discussion on these awesome new science vessel, I wanted to point out that after picking up the pack as soon as it hit the C-Store, the KDF Sci ship is missing it's built-in cloak completely, as do the C-store listed stats, unlike the actual blog. I've posted a topic in support forum (see signature).
If you have the same problem, please make this issue visible by letting others know so Devs take notice and fix this issue affecting the KDF ship so it doesn't go unchecked and neglected as many other KDF related bugs.
And once again problems with the Tier 6 Hull material for the KDF ship. The grayish material (Material 4 or 5?) is not available for the Klingon Science Vessel. *sigh*
Also I didn't seem to be able to find the cloak power on the ship.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Ok, really, go to the blog, scroll down to the bottom, and read along with me:
DISCLAIMER: All information in this blog post is subject to change.
It's there every time.
It's a bummer, but honestly, I wonder if we somehow scared them with all the theorycrafting. Or maybe they just thought the KDF shouldn't have free cloak with no penalty relative to the almighty Feddiebears .
Ok, really, go to the blog, scroll down to the bottom, and read along with me:
DISCLAIMER: All information in this blog post is subject to change.
It's there every time.
It's a bummer, but honestly, I wonder if we somehow scared them with all the theorycrafting. Or maybe they just thought the KDF shouldn't have free cloak with no penalty relative to the almighty Feddiebears .
What are you guys talking about? Read my post a few scrolls UP. Yes, "subject to change" but not 'here's the stats, here's the ship, btw those stats yeah we yanked them right before release'
I'll quote part of the official blog:
"Sensor Analysis
Secondary Deflector
Sub System Targeting Cloaking Device
Starship Mastery Package (Science Vessel) "
It's a Klingon ship. Fed gets no cloak, Rom gets Rom battle cloak, in-between therefore gets either battle cloak, or standard cloak. Built-in. It's a bug, and it has to be corrected, and I hope whatever KDFs are still out there to flood those bug reports so someone takes notice and not by next year.
Edit to add: Remember the release of the Paladin? Yeah, it came with standard built-in cloak, yet this wasn't listed in the stats. I had fun believing they added it and how all faction differences were out the window so why bother caring about balance anymore, then soon enough it was removed, rightfully so.
I expect the same to happen here, only that it's about something more urgent, a currently advertised feature (blog) being released and sold that's fairly standard on KDF faction ships (which this is 100%) that is missing, and also being falsely advertised in the c-store as not being present, leading to fewer sales of the ship and the ship pack. If this wasn't a bug, I would perhaps have had reconsidered the pack myself and been super happy with just the T6 Rom Sci.
I'll say it again slowly: The blog is NOT THE SHIP.
If I go into the game, go to the KDF ship requisition npc, and read the description of the ship am I going to see any mention of a cloak? If yes, I'll be right there with you creating a lovely and articulate "Fix. This. Now." post for cause.
Ad if not, I'm putting the whole thing out of my mind.
I'll say it again slowly: The blog is NOT THE SHIP.
If I go into the game, go to the KDF ship requisition npc, and read the description of the ship am I going to see any mention of a cloak? If yes, I'll be right there with you creating a lovely and articulate "Fix. This. Now." post for cause.
Ad if not, I'm putting the whole thing out of my mind.
You go do that. Cause you claim sole authority of all things Cryptic marketing, which I claim BOGUS in the same big capital letters you throw at me.
Ok, really, go to the blog, scroll down to the bottom, and read along with me:
DISCLAIMER: All information in this blog post is subject to change.
It's there every time.
It's a bummer, but honestly, I wonder if we somehow scared them with all the theorycrafting. Or maybe they just thought the KDF shouldn't have free cloak with no penalty relative to the almighty Feddiebears .
I doubt it's intentional. If it was us scaring them with theorycraft, Romulans wouldn't have had the cloak either. I'm not even talking about the idea that cloak was pulled just to spite KDF players.
My 100 EC are on someone doing the same thing that accidentally gave cloak to all 26th century ships back when they were released.
ADD: And as to what exactly is said where... With the quality and accuracy of blogs and other writing demonstrated recently, it's basically meaningless, until the weekend is over and a dev posts "yes, it's a bug" or "no, sorry, you were naughty Klingons, no cloak for Christmas for you."
Yeah, you really don't act like you want the devs to make more stuff for the KDF...
Honestly, a standard cloak really doesn't work too well with space magic anyways.
So if it had one it would be the ship's least used feature.
Why? Isn't Ambush a 15% increase to All Damage? I would assume it would be more valuable to science oriented ships since they have fewer sources to increase damage.
You can give enemies reduced resistance with a variety of things now to give a better bonus than that.
I thought the convention was to stack as many sources as possible. Also, most enemies have little to no resistance to Physical damage; one of the "big selling points" of Temporal powers. Additionally, Temporal powers do less damage, so any boosts are a big help.
When enemies have 0 base resist, giving them resistance penalties pushes their resists into the negative. Thus -10% resist means all your attacks do 10% more damage. Stacking bonuses is very good. eventually you have to choose which ones you want though.
Stacking bonuses is very good. eventually you have to choose which ones you want though.
What are you giving up by not using an innate ability?
The Klingon DSDs have cloak. What did the Naj'sov gain to "give up" the innate cloak of the previous science ship? Additionally, does it seem to anyone that the turn rate on these are kinda slow, compared to other science vessels? I mean, I know the Nebula series has always been the lowest for turn rate, but why do that to all of them?
The Eternal seems a better choice for Klingons, at least from a mechanical viewpoint.
You can give enemies reduced resistance with a variety of things now to give a better bonus than that.
Yes sure, I don't doubt that. There's even the example of sensor analysis which doesn't work under cloak or ceases to function and build its perks over time. The T5 Dysons with their battle cloaks also get doubly penalized since switching to tac mode also cancels sensor analysis. Source: I fly one, and rely heavily on its decloak ambush bonus to science vape stuff.
This tiny bit of awkwardness is a given with us Roms and KDF, like the T'Laru, T6 Scimi, T6 Bortasq's abandoning their pets or allied fleet mid-fight by cloaking away instead of drawing aggro or shooting the big guns. Yes these examples are not standard cloaks, but remember the fed intel ships were given integrated standard cloak in addition to passive mask warp signature including the scryer intel science vessel and this probably to many especially myself was a huge selling point.
The Feds even pay to use up a slot or more to gain access to basic cloak which I believe has a more punishing cool-down than integrated cloak - my avenger, arbiter, T6 gal-X, and T6 defiant don't have cloak console as much as I like all forms of cloaking (inc ghetto mask energy signature which has its potent uses: Counterpoint pugs, I'm the one to close all 5+ rifts using it too cause the others can't, so bonus points for everyone, warp signature masking no doubt also helps to increase defenses and get more misses to finish closing rifts). I'm unwilling to pay for it, as I am with the phase cloaking console for Romulans. Maybe someday I will since to me it's fun, has its uses, and serves a purpose from role-play perspectives - which is a point here with faction specific ships or we'd just jump into the Eternal or best yet lobi Edoulg and min-max away, ships I already have because I like them too and because they are superior.
Bottom line is, it doesn't matter how useful or useless a feature is, it is advertised, and people, myself included, have made it a huge selling point.
Already many times I've said I wasn't sure if I wanted the pack or just the Rom one, since I don't care for the Nebula except for its trait, and if the Klingon one fails to play as Klingon ship (having at least basic cloak capability), nevermind the lack of cannons support - I'm a heavy cannon user cause I think it's fun and like their benefits - then I would not have bought the pack, or be forced to take or not take the risk while it's still on this mega sale and possibly regretted the decision later.
Either way, some people are convinced it's been removed (without citing any evidence or historical precedent). I argue it's simply an accidental omission, presented by evidence (in another thread that's specifically about this issue) and hope Devs take notice and don't leave us KDF out in the cold yet again as with the ONGOING T1 B'Rel - T5/T6/FT5/FT6 B'Rel/Kor skin fiasco, or with how that Kar'Fi has been visually bugged and appearing partly invisible for what felt like forever, or how with set bonuses are simply missing because reasons, etc. etc.
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The ship trait and console suggest it is meant as drain boat. It's imho either shield/energy drains + torps or an exotic damage built.
If you want torps + drains the 3rd tac console IS a big deal. Of course one can ignore the trait and console and just built it for space magic. 3/5/3 would have been the better and more flexible console layout.
'Cause honestly, that sound like the single least important console on the entire ship.
If you have the same problem, please make this issue visible by letting others know so Devs take notice and fix this issue affecting the KDF ship so it doesn't go unchecked and neglected as many other KDF related bugs.
Anyways got mine pack.
Also I didn't seem to be able to find the cloak power on the ship.
DISCLAIMER: All information in this blog post is subject to change.
It's there every time.
It's a bummer, but honestly, I wonder if we somehow scared them with all the theorycrafting. Or maybe they just thought the KDF shouldn't have free cloak with no penalty relative to the almighty Feddiebears
What are you guys talking about? Read my post a few scrolls UP. Yes, "subject to change" but not 'here's the stats, here's the ship, btw those stats yeah we yanked them right before release'
I'll quote part of the official blog:
"Sensor Analysis
Secondary Deflector
Sub System Targeting
Cloaking Device
Starship Mastery Package (Science Vessel) "
It's a Klingon ship. Fed gets no cloak, Rom gets Rom battle cloak, in-between therefore gets either battle cloak, or standard cloak. Built-in. It's a bug, and it has to be corrected, and I hope whatever KDFs are still out there to flood those bug reports so someone takes notice and not by next year.
Edit to add: Remember the release of the Paladin? Yeah, it came with standard built-in cloak, yet this wasn't listed in the stats. I had fun believing they added it and how all faction differences were out the window so why bother caring about balance anymore, then soon enough it was removed, rightfully so.
I expect the same to happen here, only that it's about something more urgent, a currently advertised feature (blog) being released and sold that's fairly standard on KDF faction ships (which this is 100%) that is missing, and also being falsely advertised in the c-store as not being present, leading to fewer sales of the ship and the ship pack. If this wasn't a bug, I would perhaps have had reconsidered the pack myself and been super happy with just the T6 Rom Sci.
If I go into the game, go to the KDF ship requisition npc, and read the description of the ship am I going to see any mention of a cloak? If yes, I'll be right there with you creating a lovely and articulate "Fix. This. Now." post for cause.
Ad if not, I'm putting the whole thing out of my mind.
My character Tsin'xing
You go do that. Cause you claim sole authority of all things Cryptic marketing, which I claim BOGUS in the same big capital letters you throw at me.
My 100 EC are on someone doing the same thing that accidentally gave cloak to all 26th century ships back when they were released.
ADD: And as to what exactly is said where... With the quality and accuracy of blogs and other writing demonstrated recently, it's basically meaningless, until the weekend is over and a dev posts "yes, it's a bug" or "no, sorry, you were naughty Klingons, no cloak for Christmas for you."
The Laeosa Research Warbird definitely does list a Romulan Battle Cloaking Device.
Soooo... W.A.I.?
Honestly, a standard cloak really doesn't work too well with space magic anyways.
So if it had one it would be the ship's least used feature.
My character Tsin'xing
I just checked the zeni-store and shipyard descriptions. There is no mention of a cloak at the point of sale.
Windmills are that way if you want to go tilting, and good luck to you. But it ain't a bug.
My character Tsin'xing
My character Tsin'xing
The Klingon DSDs have cloak. What did the Naj'sov gain to "give up" the innate cloak of the previous science ship? Additionally, does it seem to anyone that the turn rate on these are kinda slow, compared to other science vessels? I mean, I know the Nebula series has always been the lowest for turn rate, but why do that to all of them?
The Eternal seems a better choice for Klingons, at least from a mechanical viewpoint.
Yes sure, I don't doubt that. There's even the example of sensor analysis which doesn't work under cloak or ceases to function and build its perks over time. The T5 Dysons with their battle cloaks also get doubly penalized since switching to tac mode also cancels sensor analysis. Source: I fly one, and rely heavily on its decloak ambush bonus to science vape stuff.
This tiny bit of awkwardness is a given with us Roms and KDF, like the T'Laru, T6 Scimi, T6 Bortasq's abandoning their pets or allied fleet mid-fight by cloaking away instead of drawing aggro or shooting the big guns. Yes these examples are not standard cloaks, but remember the fed intel ships were given integrated standard cloak in addition to passive mask warp signature including the scryer intel science vessel and this probably to many especially myself was a huge selling point.
The Feds even pay to use up a slot or more to gain access to basic cloak which I believe has a more punishing cool-down than integrated cloak - my avenger, arbiter, T6 gal-X, and T6 defiant don't have cloak console as much as I like all forms of cloaking (inc ghetto mask energy signature which has its potent uses: Counterpoint pugs, I'm the one to close all 5+ rifts using it too cause the others can't, so bonus points for everyone, warp signature masking no doubt also helps to increase defenses and get more misses to finish closing rifts). I'm unwilling to pay for it, as I am with the phase cloaking console for Romulans. Maybe someday I will since to me it's fun, has its uses, and serves a purpose from role-play perspectives - which is a point here with faction specific ships or we'd just jump into the Eternal or best yet lobi Edoulg and min-max away, ships I already have because I like them too and because they are superior.
Bottom line is, it doesn't matter how useful or useless a feature is, it is advertised, and people, myself included, have made it a huge selling point.
Already many times I've said I wasn't sure if I wanted the pack or just the Rom one, since I don't care for the Nebula except for its trait, and if the Klingon one fails to play as Klingon ship (having at least basic cloak capability), nevermind the lack of cannons support - I'm a heavy cannon user cause I think it's fun and like their benefits - then I would not have bought the pack, or be forced to take or not take the risk while it's still on this mega sale and possibly regretted the decision later.
Either way, some people are convinced it's been removed (without citing any evidence or historical precedent). I argue it's simply an accidental omission, presented by evidence (in another thread that's specifically about this issue) and hope Devs take notice and don't leave us KDF out in the cold yet again as with the ONGOING T1 B'Rel - T5/T6/FT5/FT6 B'Rel/Kor skin fiasco, or with how that Kar'Fi has been visually bugged and appearing partly invisible for what felt like forever, or how with set bonuses are simply missing because reasons, etc. etc.