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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    valoreah wrote: »
    I believe regular email would be better. Problem is, there is probably a great many who don't read email, in-game or otherwise. They could put links to "SUPER IMPORTANT NEWS!! MUST READ!!" in large font with blinking text on the launcher and people still wouldn't click on it.

    I'm not saying Cryptic is perfect at getting important news out in a centralized way - far from it. However, this is also a situation where they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. The seem to reach quite a lot of people via Twitter and Reddit.

    Regular email is out-of-game, however. If you want to reach the players of your game, send the message in-game. Any means of external communication doesn't cover it. I mean STO has a in-game mail system in theory. Way before PWE took over, forum private messages and in-game mail were even linked, so you could even communicate outside of the game with other people's forum accounts. The technology for having a really useful in-game mail system are there, they just have to use it.​​
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    admiralkogaradmiralkogar Member Posts: 875 Arc User
    What makes you think people would bother reading it?

    Hope for a brighter future ... ;)

    Qapla!
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    They seem to do pretty well communicating new content/C-Store sales etc. using external email.

    Sure. In-game mail would reach 100% of the players, though. Email doesn't.​​
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    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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    crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    Unless they removed it - they have the ability to auto popup a window with any Bulletin they care to advertise when a player first logs into the actual game (They used it back in LoR a couple of times).
    ^^^
    They could post patch notes and major changes there. And if the player just quickly clicks it off - that's on the Player.
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    then it's time for STO to lead the industry in doing so...just like how X MMO pioneered Y feature that is now commonplace in almost every modern one​​
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    crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    No MMO on Earth posts patch notes in- game, not a single one. So why should Cryptic have to do something nobody else in the industry does? Not even the big bad Blizzard does that.
    Everquest used to in it''s very early days. And come on when they do make a MAJOR change that affects in game commodities or items that they are effectively making useless (IE Original STO Ground Kits) they AT LEAST will make an announcement of major stuff like that in game 99 times out of 100.
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    admiralkogaradmiralkogar Member Posts: 875 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    No MMO on Earth posts patch notes in- game, not a single one. So why should Cryptic have to do something nobody else in the industry does? Not even the big bad Blizzard does that.

    This isn't really about putting the patch notes in game. More like a heads up that important changes are coming rather than just some glitch fixes. Something as basic as "Captain! It is imperative you read the patch notes at this link for vital information materially affecting you, and your crew!" with the link right there.

    I know you are very happy with the change. It remains to be seen how this will affect everything, but it may be pretty OK. If so, then great. I have yet to be thrilled by it in actual practice, but I may gradually appreciate it more.

    Meanwhile a lot of people were caught of guard. If a change is more than just making sure your palettes look right on your uniform, but is actually up front going to cost you gear, or time spent on something, it might be worth making a more significant announcement. At the bare minimum it would be more polite to draw extra attention to the situation, where it will be put in front of everyone.

    So just make it clear to the player, that the changes are not small, but are rather serious, and they should go to the stupid link. ;)

    Qapla!
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    admiralkogaradmiralkogar Member Posts: 875 Arc User
    then it's time for STO to lead the industry in doing so...just like how X MMO pioneered Y feature that is now commonplace in almost every modern one​​

    Right !Why not take the lead in making the best MMO product/user communications?

    you might see more customers ...

    Qapla!
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,571 Arc User
    Check out EverQuest, EverQuest II, SWTOR, or LotRO for that matter. Plenty of in-game email from the game company. Usually from some in-game NPC or Consortium.
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    No MMO on Earth posts patch notes in- game, not a single one. So why should Cryptic have to do something nobody else in the industry does? Not even the big bad Blizzard does that.

    You are absolutely right. One should never be the first or try out new things, it could disrupt the monotony on the market pig-3.gifpig-2.gif​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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    turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    'In-game'...

    Why not an 'Important Notice' popup or something on the character select screen that a player has to close before they can actually select a character and start playing? Then, if they don't both reading it and thus know nothing about what's coming, it's on them...
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    ^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
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    admiralkogaradmiralkogar Member Posts: 875 Arc User
    'In-game'...

    Why not an 'Important Notice' popup or something on the character select screen that a player has to close before they can actually select a character and start playing? Then, if they don't both reading it and thus know nothing about what's coming, it's on them...

    Can't get more 'in-game' than that!

    Qapla!
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    *points at launcher announcements*
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    admiralkogaradmiralkogar Member Posts: 875 Arc User
    *points at launcher announcements*

    Yes!

    Qapla!
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    admiralkogaradmiralkogar Member Posts: 875 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    @admiralkogar

    Yes I am quite unaffected by the change, & I wasn't the least bit surprised by it since I have read all patch notes since season 5. However, given my personal experience of linking the patch notes in chat for another player to see them only for that player to categorically refuse to read them just to see that player the next day bitching for several hours about the changes that I and others tried to inform him of, this has happened many times.

    No matter how well ypu try to communicate some people will refuse to receive your message. There is nothing to be gained by worrying about such people. If you are not such a person then just read the patch notes & let the stupid fail like they so clearly want to.

    I can see both sides. If it a simple improvement to put an announcement right in their face, I say why not? Anyway ... I have no problem with you @azrael605, or anyone else who is saying to leave it alone. I will still continue to hope for improvements in all things in life, including communication in STO.

    Thanks to all on either side of this for having some passion about something. ;)

    Qapla!
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    thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,985 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    My spire level II upgrade that finished two days after the change completed as normal.

    Even though I did see the ec bar and I could donate credits if I wanted to, I figured if it was going to stall anyway I wouldn't bother with it and see what it did.

    Turned out that was the right thing to do.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    My spire level II upgrade that finished two days after the change completed as normal.

    Even though I did see the ec bar and I could donate credits if I wanted to, I figured if it was going to stall anyway I wouldn't bother with it and see what it did.

    Turned out that was the right thing to do.
    I suddenly feel curious as to what would happen if you were to donate to a project that was counting down... would it restart the countdown if you recompleted it?
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    thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,985 Arc User
    That's what I was afraid of and why I didn't want to touch it.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    well, yeah, restarting a countdown on a major project would be bad. But when do we get the opportunity to test such things?
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    thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,985 Arc User
    Maybe someone else made that mistake I get a feeling it would have reset.
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    admiralkogaradmiralkogar Member Posts: 875 Arc User
    well, yeah, restarting a countdown on a major project would be bad. But when do we get the opportunity to test such things?
    Maybe someone else made that mistake I get a feeling it would have reset.

    I bet the Devs don't even know ... kind of scary if that is true. ;)

    Happy Halloween! Qapla!
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