We knew this was coming. That you didn't make the game important enough to keep updated on is no one's fault but your own.
That's not to say you don't have more important things to do...but let's be real.
If the game wasn't a big enough deal to spend 5 minutes on the forums every few days, then it's not important enough for you to be on here now spending 10x as long raging about something that already happened.
If it was now that important, you would actually address it through their customer service and not in a lame rage thread in Gen where no one can do anything about it anyway.
Oh, and seriously....grow up. This isn't how an adult acts.
I wish it only took 5 minutes on the forums a day to keep informed! Hell, I've already spent 10 minutes reading just page 2 of this thread!
imgur.com/a/ChaLxI logged on today to do some daily fleet mark slogging and found that all of our commodities are gone from our fleet projects... and, while they were full, now the projects are demanding a total of 30 million energy credits. We already spent our energy credits filling the damn commodities. FIX THIS. YOU will mark those two projects as full on EC's. I'm a spender. I have spent quite a lot on this game in the last few years. I will not spend another penny until you fix this ****. Which means you will be missing out on the several HUNDRED dollars I plan on spending over the next few months.
I get that you want to change things. When you do, you need to make certain you are not SERIOUSLY **** over your player base. This is a **** job, pure and simple.
the two projects that need fixed are on the url. fix it.
I made a point of closing our KDF fleet's T3 Embassy the night before K-13 went live. Now in cool-down, the former commodities have been replaced by a counter for EC, which shows 0/20,000,000 or so. The "Contribute" button is even highlighted behind the greyed-out holding screen, but the cool-down proceeds as normal. We had sufficient notice to take action, but not everyone was willing to satisfy the cash grab and buy the necessary dil to close the projects out...
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I don't believe that projects that were on a countdown were lost. I did notice on mine that the commodities were gone, and the EC has zero. Once the countdown was over, it looked like I had more points than before. I had about 5 projects on a countdown.
I have not been able to get text and so am not able to navigate properly. It seemed like some finished projects just reverted when I looked at my co-leaders view of the Armada. I was able to remember enough about tab placement to get in far enough to see that some projects had completed in time, but I don't have full information yet. I have been taking it as a possibility, based on reports, that count-downing projects may have been reset.
c. you really think they will care if you threaten, stomp your feet and hold your breath till you turn smurf?
when someone threatens me in such a manner my first and only reaction is expletive YOU
I don't even know why the word is blanked out. I didn't swear. None the less, you're welcome to try, paid cryptic troll.
I doubt they pay anyone to troll for them... I think they rely on volunteers ... in any case don't throw meat at them.
If you have that much of an investment in the game and know enough to come on here to complain, you may wish to spend some of that time coming on here to stay aware of upcoming changes. Things that happen on the test server WILL affect you eventually. These changes to fleet projects may not have jumped out of the sector space screen to smack you in the face, but they were far from secret and far from sudden
And if you are going to continue to press forward in willful ignorance, stop thinking that this is a place to come and fly your ignorance flag in the hope of receiving sympathy for it.
sorry that I'm not like you and don't have all day in mommy's basement to peruse forums to keep myself in the loop about every little thing.
Hey friend, just stop throwing meat already, it won't help anything. If the don't care, you can't make them. If they are rich, you can't make them feel for the poor by trying to bite them. This ship ran into a planet! We just have to get e new ship, and move on.
Well, the OP is just going to have to suck it up. They did announce it in the patch notes from Tribble. Frankly, I think it's partially as a stepping stone to releasing holdings and doffing on consoles as it makes dealing with contributing easier.
Sorry @lucho80 - the OP is FAR too busy and important to read patch notes or any other medium that provides an update. And unlike absolutely everyone else here, has a life outside of the game. Imagine that!
C'mon guys ... Cryptic needs to reach the wider player base with important changes. Clearly they are not doing so well on that front. Yes he needs to suck it up. No his anger isn't baseless. Reading patch notes isn't playing the game, which is all most people want to do, or have time for.
We should all let this thread die. it can't help anyone and will be nothing but flame bait soon enough.
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Actually, they didn't so much tell us. More like they hoped we would dig the information up, and do something different than moving forward with our projects in good faith. Different like sit on our hands and not donate or something. Most people are busy playing the game, not reading design notes looking for prophecies of disaster.
While I don't disagree that Cryptic can do a better job communicating information in a centralized way, the information was out there and if you didn't read it, that's not Cryptic's fault. It's always in your best interests to educate yourself and keep informed of things.
You also need to read the EULA and TOS again and pay specific attention to the areas which discuss "gameplay subject to change". Cryptic/PWE can change the game however they like.
Hey .. I am with you on all that. We all need to try to be informed in STO especially if we have any leadership responsibility. maybe after the dust settles we can find a suggestion for Cryptic that would work better at communicating changes. Casual players are probably the majority of us, and if only to keep the next change from clogging the forums it might be good to reach them effectively.
it was written in the announcements/patch notes
it was on tribble
every podcast and stream about sto reminded us about the changes
we got fc from previous contributions and now we will get it from the ec's
nothing to fix but the prices are a bit high considering my ferengis cell wonder
unlike you paid cryptic trolls, I actually have things that I do outside of game land. I work, I have dogs I take to the dog park to get exercise and fresh air, a girlfriend I enjoy spending time with. I set aside an hour or two a day to play STO to grind for my fleet. I don't have time to check podcasts, patch notes, etc.
I'm one of two people who actually bother to push this fleet onward. I did it mostly myself for the last year, and at great expense to me. I have a legitimate complaint that you paid cryptic trolls don't want to hear because you think cryptic is perfect in all things.
Funny - I have all that too - but as part of Fleet leadership, when they announce an update, I take 5 minutes to read the Tribble patch notes to see if there's anything interesting/new in a major update that might affect us.
interesting that you're not a 'gamer nerd' - and 'don't read the forums' - yet have time suddenly to type multiple replies claiming that somehow, Cryptic should have told you personally about the changes since you don't have the time/interest to read any of the info they put out on the website and forums.
i don't care for a number of changes they made with this particular update, but they did make the info available beforehand.
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it was written in the announcements/patch notes
it was on tribble
every podcast and stream about sto reminded us about the changes
we got fc from previous contributions and now we will get it from the ec's
nothing to fix but the prices are a bit high considering my ferengis cell wonder
unlike you paid cryptic trolls, I actually have things that I do outside of game land. I work, I have dogs I take to the dog park to get exercise and fresh air, a girlfriend I enjoy spending time with. I set aside an hour or two a day to play STO to grind for my fleet. I don't have time to check podcasts, patch notes, etc.
I'm one of two people who actually bother to push this fleet onward. I did it mostly myself for the last year, and at great expense to me. I have a legitimate complaint that you paid cryptic trolls don't want to hear because you think cryptic is perfect in all things.
Wait! there are paid cryptic trolls?! i want in the team doesn't even give me convention codes ;(
I'm weary of this implication that it would have been "impossible" to convert the partial commodity contributions to partial energy credit contributions. They're just values in a table somewhere. It may have required more time and effort than was deemed worthwhile in this case, but that doesn't qualify as "impossible". That's "we decided it would be too hard, so TRIBBLE ya."
If you belong to a fleet and for some reason didn't know this was coming. Blame the leaders, and if you're the leader, blame yourself. Ignorance is not an excuse. Sell your excess stuff to a vendor at ESD or Qo'os so you minimize your losses. My fleet didn't complain at all, just kept on contributing normally.
I have a job, wife, & 5 kids, still had plenty of time to read the blogs & patch notes. You get no sympathy from me.
Agreed!
First thing I do before I even log in is to read the news and forums. As a Leader, it is MY duty to keep my friends up to date, although I strongly encourage them to also read up on any changes too. You can't be a leader if you are not self-sufficient and can't take the initiative to do things yourself OP! If it really is such a burden, either delegate or make someone else the Leader in your place.
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the compensation is we got fleet credits from commodities and now we will get it again from ec.
I guess it was not a easy task to make it just effect the commodities tabs and not the whole project.
No offense, really, but that isn't compensation in any real sense. I will still get FC from the projects that come later, so I have zero benefit to re-earn the FC I just made doing the same project over again. That and lost progress = fail! No compensation. Nada! Zip! Or maybe that was your point?
I'm weary of this implication that it would have been "impossible" to convert the partial commodity contributions to partial energy credit contributions. They're just values in a table somewhere. It may have required more time and effort than was deemed worthwhile in this case, but that doesn't qualify as "impossible". That's "we decided it would be too hard, so **** ya."
If you belong to a fleet and for some reason didn't know this was coming. Blame the leaders, and if you're the leader, blame yourself. Ignorance is not an excuse. Sell your excess stuff to a vendor at ESD or Qo'os so you minimize your losses. My fleet didn't complain at all, just kept on contributing normally.
I knew it was coming. I communicated to my Armadas. Not all ships turn at the same speed
the compensation is we got fleet credits from commodities and now we will get it again from ec.
I guess it was not a easy task to make it just effect the commodities tabs and not the whole project.
No offense, really, but that isn't compensation in any real sense. I will still get FC from the projects that come later, so I have zero benefit to re-earn the FC I just made doing the same project over again. That and lost progress = fail! No compensation. Nada! Zip! Or maybe that was your point?
So that is why some of us are bent out of shape
Qapla!
500fc = 1 white doff = 30k ec x2 .. thats the benefit
vetteguy904: my apologies then. Fact is I posted a legitimate complaint/criticism and of course cryptic's stalwart defenders rushed out to attack and generally act like bought and paid for buffoons. I did, in fact, lose hard cash, since I buy fleet modules and keys and sell them on the exchange to get the ec's to fill commodities.
The specific complaint is legit but the timing is far too late, since the information was available before hand. Also the manner in which the complaint was delivered was not in accordance with the agreement that you have with PWE/Cryptic and is unbecoming of a fleet leader.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Why the hell do ya'll waste time frackin' each other rather than discussing the topic?
Hurling insults at each other makes for interesting troll fodder, but doesn't really further the discussion.
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the compensation is we got fleet credits from commodities and now we will get it again from ec.
I guess it was not a easy task to make it just effect the commodities tabs and not the whole project.
No offense, really, but that isn't compensation in any real sense. I will still get FC from the projects that come later, so I have zero benefit to re-earn the FC I just made doing the same project over again. That and lost progress = fail! No compensation. Nada! Zip! Or maybe that was your point?
So that is why some of us are bent out of shape
Qapla!
500fc = 1 white doff = 30k ec x2 .. thats the benefit
That's three more than I have. The other 4 people in my fleet put in very little time due to also being very busy.
When I log in tonight expect to have the one K-13 mission I was able to queue and fill before bed complete for a whopping 1500 points only need 8500 for T1, so yeah about 7 days.
I work in law enforcement I'm lucky if I have more than an hour a day I can play.
I'll get there eventually I'm not a quitter but it's best not to judge other people and their situations or make blanket statements.
Someone that doesn't have 499 lackeys under them to fill all the quantities.
Someone who doesn't have the time due to having to work to support all those that don't and do.
I got 4 people in my fleet (To include myself) and when I logged on tonight the K-13 projects were already filled. We maxed everything in 11 months.
First, let me congratulate you. Secondly ... when does your Unemployment Insurance run out ... ?
No seriously though, I think it is great you have such dedicated people.
We had about five in pour UFP fleet do over half the progress we made in our first year. A couple of those got sent overseas and probably had to re-prioritize a bit. We don't see them lately, or this EC thing would have been a slam dunk for us.
I have to say, none of us really knows the circumstances of the other, and we can all be judgmental, even harshly so.
Knowing how I almost had no warning, and the why of it, from my point of view, gives me justification for being angry about the results of this change. I can sympathize with others over it. I can make justification for blaming the devs for poor communication choices and aggravating this situation.
I can acknowledge that others had different circumstances whatever those might be, that allowed them to work this all out in good order. I can see where that could give justification for them to assume that anyone who didn't get it worked out has nobody to blame but themselves.
What we don't know about each other is what drives all this back and forth judgementalism. We could do better than to continue along that path. I am glad your circumstances worked out for you. Alas we can see that circumstances didn't favor everyone, and while I believe we can have a hand in creating our own good luck, I do not ever believe that things can't still blindside you no matter how hard you try to stay ahead of them.
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You'll get the hang of it eventually.
I made a point of closing our KDF fleet's T3 Embassy the night before K-13 went live. Now in cool-down, the former commodities have been replaced by a counter for EC, which shows 0/20,000,000 or so. The "Contribute" button is even highlighted behind the greyed-out holding screen, but the cool-down proceeds as normal. We had sufficient notice to take action, but not everyone was willing to satisfy the cash grab and buy the necessary dil to close the projects out...
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i guess it was not a easy task to make it just effect the commodities tabs and not the whole project.
I have not been able to get text and so am not able to navigate properly. It seemed like some finished projects just reverted when I looked at my co-leaders view of the Armada. I was able to remember enough about tab placement to get in far enough to see that some projects had completed in time, but I don't have full information yet. I have been taking it as a possibility, based on reports, that count-downing projects may have been reset.
I will find out eventually ...
Qapla!
I doubt they pay anyone to troll for them... I think they rely on volunteers ... in any case don't throw meat at them.
Qapla!
Hey friend, just stop throwing meat already, it won't help anything. If the don't care, you can't make them. If they are rich, you can't make them feel for the poor by trying to bite them. This ship ran into a planet! We just have to get e new ship, and move on.
Qapla!
C'mon guys ... Cryptic needs to reach the wider player base with important changes. Clearly they are not doing so well on that front. Yes he needs to suck it up. No his anger isn't baseless. Reading patch notes isn't playing the game, which is all most people want to do, or have time for.
We should all let this thread die. it can't help anyone and will be nothing but flame bait soon enough.
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Hey .. I am with you on all that. We all need to try to be informed in STO especially if we have any leadership responsibility. maybe after the dust settles we can find a suggestion for Cryptic that would work better at communicating changes. Casual players are probably the majority of us, and if only to keep the next change from clogging the forums it might be good to reach them effectively.
Thanks for the rational response.
Qapla!
Funny - I have all that too - but as part of Fleet leadership, when they announce an update, I take 5 minutes to read the Tribble patch notes to see if there's anything interesting/new in a major update that might affect us.
interesting that you're not a 'gamer nerd' - and 'don't read the forums' - yet have time suddenly to type multiple replies claiming that somehow, Cryptic should have told you personally about the changes since you don't have the time/interest to read any of the info they put out on the website and forums.
i don't care for a number of changes they made with this particular update, but they did make the info available beforehand.
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Wait! there are paid cryptic trolls?! i want in
seriously this fleet ec issue is not a issue at
cowabunga
Yeah...they won't.
Agreed!
First thing I do before I even log in is to read the news and forums. As a Leader, it is MY duty to keep my friends up to date, although I strongly encourage them to also read up on any changes too. You can't be a leader if you are not self-sufficient and can't take the initiative to do things yourself OP! If it really is such a burden, either delegate or make someone else the Leader in your place.
No offense, really, but that isn't compensation in any real sense. I will still get FC from the projects that come later, so I have zero benefit to re-earn the FC I just made doing the same project over again. That and lost progress = fail! No compensation. Nada! Zip! Or maybe that was your point?
So that is why some of us are bent out of shape
Qapla!
I knew it was coming. I communicated to my Armadas. Not all ships turn at the same speed
Qapla!
500fc = 1 white doff = 30k ec x2 .. thats the benefit
cowabunga
Hurling insults at each other makes for interesting troll fodder, but doesn't really further the discussion.
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Someone who doesn't have the time due to having to work to support all those that don't and do.
Till I get my text back I have nothing better to do ...
Qapla!
We will see ...
Qapla!
I got 4 people in my fleet (To include myself) and when I logged on tonight the K-13 projects were already filled. We maxed everything in 11 months.
When I log in tonight expect to have the one K-13 mission I was able to queue and fill before bed complete for a whopping 1500 points only need 8500 for T1, so yeah about 7 days.
I work in law enforcement I'm lucky if I have more than an hour a day I can play.
I'll get there eventually I'm not a quitter but it's best not to judge other people and their situations or make blanket statements.
First, let me congratulate you. Secondly ... when does your Unemployment Insurance run out ... ?
No seriously though, I think it is great you have such dedicated people.
We had about five in pour UFP fleet do over half the progress we made in our first year. A couple of those got sent overseas and probably had to re-prioritize a bit. We don't see them lately, or this EC thing would have been a slam dunk for us.
I have to say, none of us really knows the circumstances of the other, and we can all be judgmental, even harshly so.
Knowing how I almost had no warning, and the why of it, from my point of view, gives me justification for being angry about the results of this change. I can sympathize with others over it. I can make justification for blaming the devs for poor communication choices and aggravating this situation.
I can acknowledge that others had different circumstances whatever those might be, that allowed them to work this all out in good order. I can see where that could give justification for them to assume that anyone who didn't get it worked out has nobody to blame but themselves.
What we don't know about each other is what drives all this back and forth judgementalism. We could do better than to continue along that path. I am glad your circumstances worked out for you. Alas we can see that circumstances didn't favor everyone, and while I believe we can have a hand in creating our own good luck, I do not ever believe that things can't still blindside you no matter how hard you try to stay ahead of them.
Live Long and Prosper.